If I think of reality,or consciousness(of that reality) like a film,as made up of seperate,incremental,frames-each frame being like an individual "slice of time".The brain puts together information from the senses-like a jigsaw puzzle-forming a "frame",only each frame is immediatedly obsolete-because of the nature of space and time(the outside world of perception),and then a new frame is put together by the brain and perceived.(I have greatly simplified this.(Short of time.)Hallucinigens either speed up this process(each sperate frame is made quicker,meaning more information in less time,and more information means hallucinations),or,there is more information in each seperate frame(the speed of the frames is the same,but more information in each frame,and again,more information means hallucinations.)If confused,think of a movie camera,and how it projects on the screen-The frames in the "camera" are like the frames of perception,and what is "projected" onto the screen is in fact the excess information,which "overflows" outwards,and is projected onto the "movie secreen",or rather,is perceived as hallucinations.The thing is,we have two different things here,but the implications are very different when we look closely at the two.(SEE BELOW)

My thoughts are also contained in these frames.They are conscious as "LABELS" of the objects or contents of reality,each object containing or carrying a psychologically projected label,the label carrying all the information pertaining to the object that is conscious to the subject.

So,what does lsd/hallucinogenics do?What would happen if we were to "speed up" these frames?That is my question-what are the implications?

What happens when you spped up a film?Obviusly,the film is speeded up,and time in the film is also speeded up.This is what happens with hallucinogens,and more importantly,is the essence of mind expansion-can we have TRUE mind-expansion without hallucinations?

What I am saying/asking is,when we takes lsd,these (out of time!)....

Just quickly(before I go),if you double the frames in a film then you get slow motion,but if you double the speed,you get a speeded up film.The results are very different,but the amount of information is the same for both.In the former,the rate of framesis dobled,the latter,the speed of the frames is doubled-we start of with x amount of information,and end up with 2x information in both former and latter.BOTH of these things happen when tripping.The slow motion thing is the information of our thoughts is speeded up,thus,we have more detailed thoughts in COMPARISON to our sense-data,thus altering our *perception* of time.

I'll leave you with a question.What if the rate/speed of thought was speeded up so the amount of information(in our thoughts)was either equal to or greater than the amount of information taken in by the senses.Think of DEJA-VU,and........would we still be hallucinationg?Is it possible to stop hallucinating on lsd?That is,for the hallucinations to get so intense that the hallucinations become the logical opposite of the sense data-would that mean that the information projected outwards as hallucinations would equal/be the opposite of the sense data,and thus CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT,or,NO HALLUCINATIONS?Think about this one.

Would this be a correct analysis of what your saying? Id also like to know if your saying theres a way to speed up the brain's thought processes through some drug, to equal the amount of information taken in by lsd. If so, which drug?

You know how people speed read? Well normal readers process words slower because they dont train to read the words fast. Speed readers train themsleves to process words super fast. Now if someone takes shrooms or lsd, more neural pathways are opened up allowing for more information to be taken in than the person is capable of processing. That is what creates hallucinations, because your brain is trailing behind working really hard to keep up with the information. That's what creates the wavy like flows of colors, or objects melding into one another. The brain is also occupied with trying to take in the excess perceptive infomation received by the third eye, which also means your unconcious mind is more open, allowing you access to the universal information. Just like speed reading you must train yourself to process faster. What if you take lsd many many times? That, for sure would give your brain enough times to adapt to the overload of information taken in, and the brain will at some point become able to handle the amount of information taken in by the senses on lsd. Just like words taken in by speed readers. Just think about that. Wouldn't your brain then be fully adapted to the overload of information produced by lsd, therefore making you able to get into that "speed mode"? That would allow you to actually cancel the hallucinations making them non-existant, because the amount of information being processed has now become equal or greater than the amount of information being taken in by the senses. That also means that this training has lead a person to have faster than normal sensory processing, allowing the person to take in information faster than a person who didnt use lsd, making the lsd user a faster thinker, smarter, and more capable of handling massive amounts of information at a time, than another person.

LOL.. LSD as a nootropic supplement?? ^^

LSD is a drug to be avoided. Further research may provide something of interest.

LifeMirage I respect your contributions and sound advice given to many members here. I not condoning the use of LSD, but I would not say that it a drug to be avoided. Personally it has brought many benefits and has helped exponentiate my learning/understanding in various aspects.

I totally agree. I really recommend trying it atleast once. It really opened my philosophical mind and greatly expanded my consciousness! It also increased my ability to appreciate nature and arts (drawings, paintings)! LSD isn't an hardcore frightening drug to my opinion (althought some ppl might get a more psychotic experience depending on their psychological situation) like most of ppl think... To my experience, it's just a completely-other-profound-perception-of-life... VERY interesting and magical!

I agree also that it is not to be avoided. I also wanted to add that I have never hallucinated much on any hallucinogen and I have always wondered why. I have taken rather large doses, especially of mushrooms, without hallucinating or with only very minor and never at all disturbing hallucinations. Rather than hallucinating, I experiencing an expanded, clearer... simply MORE conscious experience of reality along with an expanded sense of body-self and many of the other qualities associated with 'mystical' states, 'cosmic consciousness' or some of the states described on this website. I am not sure why this is the case, but I have had some rather bizarre experiences in which I seemed to take in a large amount of information in "one frame" (that is, in fact, how I described it at the time: I claimed that it was like a large amount of information and events transpired within one frame of time or within the snap of a finger.) I could go on for hours on this topic and this is my night of discovery of this website so I'm rather excited to find out what else there is.

LSD is not really a true hallucinogen. The filters you have constructed throughout your life are temporarily turned off. You experience things before your brain removes unnecessary information. Time dilation and contraction often occurs. You get trails on moving objects on LSD and these tend to be seen long after (forever) your first trip is over, although the question is, were they always there and you didn't see them before. Like most drugs, if you don't know what your looking for, you tend not to notice the little things. This is why first time pot smokers often smoke too much.

The only hallucinations you get are perception changes that make things look like other things. The rest is all colour cycling and the sense that everything is alive and moving, although never actually getting anywhere.

I sincerely doubt anyone that says they've had hallucinations from LSD actually has, unless they take an extreme dose. This is probably down to inexperience and lack of knowledge on hallucinations. You have more chance hallucinating from sensory deprivation, starvation or meditation than you have with LSD/Mushrooms.

I have no idea what you mean by the comparison to frames per second in a film. Yes you can add more frames and achieve slow motion, and remove frames to speed things up, but all of that is reliant on the time each frame is shown being static. The other thing you get from LSD, which may be what the OP is referring to, is multiple threads of thought running through your mind in what seems like a very short time (deep thoughts, multiple views of every conversation, thought loops). What I believe is happening when this occurs is you get to experience every possible scenario that your brain considers BEFORE it gives you the shortlist of options/scenarios. What seems like crazy deep thoughts are probably always happening within your mind, but your brain shields you from most of the pointless or unrealistic ones.


In regards to OP, why should speed of brain processes create visual hallucinations?