why does the world work the way it does?

Put simply i believe it works this way because we expect it too. Each of us humans has an abilty to create reality in front of our noses, we work in sympathy with eachother, and sometimes in opposition. Reality is the way it is, because we pass our expectations of it on to our children; and they on to theirs. So the world exists as a mental construct that is real because we make it exist. We have built rules inside of the construct that are obeyed, not because they are the truth, but because we expect them to be obeyed on mass.

One person has a knock on effect on another, in dispute they cancel out, or one person combined with another produces a stronger effect. Reality is the sense we have made of chaos in the universe, if one wants to see the chaos then one only needs to learn meditation or take some mind expanding drugs. Outside of these things if someone displays delusions we say they are mad because they do not conform to everyone elses understanding of the world. They may be closer to the truth than anyone else, but they are locked up and drugged as a delinquent of society. If a whole bunch of people get together and state that something is true, then they are creating the something and making it real through their combined strength. If others witness this something and like it, the group will be accepted by society and given a name like science, or religion. If society does not like it they will go to great lengths to destroy the believers. Once the believers are out of the picture that particular truth dissapears.

A key to this reality is stopping the programming in your head, and then looking at the world from a fresh perspective. I believe the chattering in you head that everyone experiences is placed there by society, it is your safegaurd, your virus checker, your backup system. It tells you what is and what is not, according to society. If it does not speak to you and you are free to make your own decisions about life then you will see that it does not work as expected. The human mind is capable of doing so much without thought, its astounding to me just how much of everyday life can be dealt with without any conscious thought. I think therefore i am, is how most people view life, but if you stop thinking you are still a part of life, still conscious but a little free'er.

without this programming that can be called ego or many other names, life is open to interpretation. You are in control, whatever that means, because what you are trying to control is chaos itself. you may succeed in controlling part of your life in society but you are just controlling the parametes of a model. Thinking is a way of working out the rules of the model, but this is not how to work out the rules of life itself. That requires faith, and we wonder into the relm of God.

What is God? You are.

That is as far from the truth as it is close to it. The Christian bible says that God made us in his image, well we are all gods then. but we deny our own existence, and our own power. we have created the world we see, all of us in communion. We can change it if we want to, but it will take all of us to see the truth, without that we can only perform minor miralces, small deeds to astound our friends. We can at best become magicians in this world. we can exert a small control of minor events and if another watches you try, and is not aware of their god status and control attributes they will no doubt be full of dissbelief for there programming, and like a karnaugh map for an AND gate, they will stop the power you contain from having any effect.

1&1 = 1
1&0 = 0
0&1 = 0
0&0 = 0

that is why it makes sense to collect power, collect and store it, only use it when you have to, because you are nothing if you do not. you may be a god but you will not be able to act as one, not be able to break the 1&0 = 0 rule, and so you believe that you are not who you are. Fear and hatered will cloud your mind and you will be unable to see the truth that is in front of you. Watch for those people who do not share their thoughts with you, who stay quite when others talk, those who will not tell you the truth when you ask a question. These peole have a power, it is something they do not understand, but they have it none the less. Understanding the power allows you to compete, to rival them but from your point of knowing the underlying truth you may vanquesh them. Those people will look selfish to others, you will too, but you know the difference. you are a god, they are only playing at godlike behaviour. However don't reveal their game to them as they will not believe you and you will lose some of your own power, instead compete with them in their game and win. form a group of like minded individuals and compete on mass, start your own religion, your own science, as your group grows you will have more influence over the world at a fundamental level, you will control it.


The more that you fear us the bigger we get, and don't be surprised if you discover it. Marilyn Manson, Disposable teens.

the question is, then, what do you intend to do? And, if you know the answer to this question, how do you go about doing it?

I don't intend to do anything, until I can confirm my hypothesis
What do you intend to do?

of course you intend to do something. For example, you intend to confirm whether or not the force that generates the structure of reality is a function of personal will rather than an external impersonal force. more importantly, it seems that such a question might be meaningful because of an underlying desire to alter the structure of reality for the better. which begs the question, what is better and how good is good enough?


I intend to make the world better until it is good enough, whether or not it is possible

one day I just knew to obey the flow inside, the voice of my feeling..... and soon, flowing, I realized I was free

Laz and Dan,

I would just like to ask one question to clarify what you are saying and to see if you are really thinking the same way I do [without imlying that I am right].

If all humans were to die say on Saturday next for some inextricable reason, would the world still exist?

I only ask because you seem to be saying that the world is a construct of our minds.

Lets kill everyone and find out

Laz,
Your experiment would be a non-starter [even assuming the last person commits suicide]. Do you think the world would still exist? I do, just as it does now!
Joesus,
I may choose to care or I may not. That issue has nothing to do with my question, though might get some response as a new post [not from me]. Do you think the world would still exist? I do, just as it does now!

Rhymer, your experiment would be a non-starter. Do you think you could kill everyone on earth?

What you have given me is a thought experiment, which is what I have given you.

You cannot relate everyones experience to your own, a better thought experiment would be to kill yourself, would everyone else still exist?

Yeh, I know Laz.
I spose I'm just being silly asking stupid hypothetical questions which might reveal something. In fact they did, I spose!

np

I just need to come up with a real experiment

First you would have to define real and associate any experimentation to that reality.

if the entirety of the structure that binds the 'Dan' experience were to be disassembled, the universe would most definitely still exist and would likely be only slightly changed

How can you say that for certain? how can you prove it?

for example, when another person dies I notice that the universe is still existing and in fact is nearly unchanged (a notable difference being the absence of the person who just died)

Thanks for answering my question Dan.

I think that one of the most amazing things about all life forms cf. inert chemicals and materials [as we tend to percieve them], is their sheer complexity. And yet animals seem to serve no purpose whatsoever in the scale of the Universe, other than for themselves.

Why should such compexity have formed with no obvious or witnessed benefit for the Universe?

response to guest post Apr 06 11:24 PM

I know the answer to the triangle question and, therefore, see no reason to ask that question.
I don't know the answer to my question, and consider it worth asking.
You don't need to consider it at all if you find it boring or too complicated; or perhaps because you know the answer?

let's just say I'm making an educated guess

As a little green alien might say "hmmm, so confident you are in what you have been taught! so blind are you to the truth" or as a computer screen near you might read: Dan, the Matrix has you...

Think for yourself man! what does Dan bring to the party? Don't stand on the shoulders of giants, knock them down, brutally murder them, and then bury them. Einstein, Hawking, Penrose, Kurzweil, who are they? Thinkers, be a thinker too

my confidence is not a product of belief in authority, but is a product of direct personal experience. My question to you would be, why do you believe my position implies that I am blind to the truth?

It is apparent from your posts that your thinking is constrained, it's in a box, and that box has definate walls that you cannot break. You believe in a model, a system that you have not created and you do not look beyond it.

my thinking is with purpose, designed intentionally. I build the box, and I can destroy the box. What box are you in?

I am building bridges, not boxes that have been started by someone else. I am not hear to preach the virtues of science, christianity, ascention, or any other religion in a box.

I am not a disciple of any of these things, I am here to share and build rather than limit my thinking. I want everyone to build bridges

I am not building a box started by someone else, I am not preaching the virtues of any religion, nor am I limiting my thinking. Rather, I will my own unfolding into the world (this process may be understood as 'box-building' by outside observers by virtue of its decisive quality), I state truth as I understand how to state it, and I reject discernably corrupt thinking.

I know that bridges keep the world in harmony, but this does not mean that any bridge will do

Okay, shock me Dan, tell me something that breaks down the walls of science and religion, something that may seem deluded, stupid, or unreasonable, but something that you absolutely believe in.

I absolutely know that I am the only perceiver in existence,....not always as Dan (in fact hardly as Dan at all, it just seems that way when I am perceiving myself as Dan) but also as Laz (for example, I (as Dan) guess that in the present situation every moment I am Laz (which means when you are you ) I am involved in a conversation with this apparently overconfident character named Dan who I assume as existing simultaneously with myself). I'm pretty much experiencing all available consciousnesses serially in a rapid cyclic fashion, rendering this symphony of interaction. And since I am saying that I am It and I am you, you should realize that what you are reading right now is that You are It and are truly alone in infinity with only your own echoes (like Dan, Shawn, etc,...) to keep you company

Nicely done I thought the "i am god" idea would come in there, seems to be the only one that fits!

Laz,
Your words are creating an impression that you seek fantasic theories - why else would they shock you.
If it is fantasy you seek, don't expect a rational thinker to quote a belief in something which to them seems stupid or deluded.

We all have ideas, imaginations [possibilites if you like] but we them test them against our own experience, their logicality, evidence of truth, etc. If the idea seems to be wrong in conclusion we normally turf it out as fantasy ie., not representative of truth. Many of us no doubt fail to identify significant ideas, perhaps leaving it to another 'genius' to home in on a slightly different context of that idea [maybe a modification].

I am prepared to quote one of my 'suspicions' for you tear apart.
I don't believe it yet.
"There is no such thing as infinity in the real world - it remains a concept existing only in human brains".

Thanks Ryhmer "no such thing as infinity" I'll have a think on that. oooh you changed it can infinity exist in our brain? it doesn't fit in mine! Thats one for mathematics only i feel.

I'm not seeking fantasy just honest views, if they look like fantasy to obsevers, they are the ones with the problem. The shock came from Dan breaking his mold not from what he had to say

Here's one of mine;

The universe is a sphere 200m in diameter, i am the only one in the universe and I stand at the middle and observe.

Can't comment till you define 'm' as metres or miles!

sorry, meters

I believe there is only the past and future in reality.
'Now' is a human concept - a period of time [undefined, different on different occasions and for each person] but necessary to allow us differentiation of when event sequences in for use in communication and understanding.

I take the cosmos as finite unbounded. This means that if you got in a super space ship and sped away from earth in an inertially straight path that proceeded through gravitationally flat space, you would eventually arrive back at earth if you traveled long enough (assuming that the cosmos lasts that long).

Laz,
Are you really unable to disprove this belief of yours?

The universe is my universe, It is as much as i can see, hear, and feel around me at any time. anything else is purely theoretical, and as such does not exist until i witness it. So it's probably a sphere about 200 meters in diameter. 100m is about as far as i can see, anything beyond that is like a backdrop or painting.

100m is about as far as i can hear, beyond that lies nothing or white noise. I cannot feel things that are 100m away so feeling is limited to my body and maybe not a good thing to scope the universe by.

People enter my universe and leave at will, i think at this point a good model for this interaction would be individual shperes coliding into eachother and overlapping, things are consitent because i expect them to be, and because the others in my universe expect them to be. If i could take my universe to a place where it was not being shared, then I could witness it free from outside intervention. I have often thought this is why religious figures wandered off into the dessert for 40 days/nights. there they were free from outside influence and from unwanted expectations.

Time does not exist in my universe, the past and the future are nonexistent. Only change and rate of change exist. Changes happen progressively and cannot be forced to make big jumps, thus they can be measured however they are not changing with respect to a universal tick, rather to their own rate of change.

The biggest motivational factor in my universe is controlled anger. Anger gets things done, it is a positive thing rather than a negative thing, it's direct opposite is complacency and lack of interest. anger is action, complacency is laziness, this is in terms of thought as well as bodily movement.

Basically my universe is the sum of all of my experiences plus my reasoning ability

Dan,
I don't know enough about gravitational effects to agree or disagree with you.
One thing I like about your theory, though, is the 'cyclical' ie., it comes back again, element.
I have a suspicion, based only on the number of naturally occurring cycles we witness in Nature, that the Universe may continually oscillate from all 'something' to 'all something else'. These 'somethings' may be energy, matter, consciousness, spirit etc. or combinations of them.

Dan,
'only now in reality'....
I agree in that sense.
But the past also happened in reality, even though it does not exist now - we can only recall memories of, or read about it.
The future will happen in reality, even though it does not exist now.
How long do you think 'now' lasts, for it surely must have a time length?

Time does not exist as a dimension, it is pure folly

OK., its an instaneous 'peep' at reality as it was a few tens of milliseconds previously [in other words of the past when we become aware of it, due to the time it takes the brain to detect, analyse and comprehend].
Not being cheeky at all here - just thinking as I go!
And - I gotta go for now.

Thats not what i'm thinking at all! Time as a concept exists but does not exist at all in nature. Us humans have invented it to measure our lives by.

the delay in human perception isn't important, what is important is that there is only now in reality. In terms of a timeline, now can be better visualized as a crack in the timeline (dividing the past and the future) rather than as an infinitesimal element of the timeline. this is in order to recognize that now has no length, while an infinitesimal element does have a length albeit infinitesimal

Is that a bridge I see between us Dan