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Author of The Hidden Truth
One of the interesting findings I reached while writing my book, The Hidden Truth: A logical path through compelling evidence to discover the nature of reality and the meaning of life, was the true nature of consciousness. In chapter two, which discussed many findings within quantum physics, a series of findings and proofs lead the reader to understand that physical matter is not only comprised of energy, it actually is nothing but energy. Shortly thereafter, I show how energy is also equivalent to light, and later we learn that light resides outside of space and time because it does not operate by the rules of the universe, but requires a “Special Rule of Relativity.” From the transitive property of mathematics where if a=b and b=c, then a=c, we prove that matter = energy = stabilized light.

The discussion of consciousness is one of the most difficult aspects of the book, including chapter two. Scientists have been grappling with what consciousness is without clear resolution. Through the progression of findings in my book, I feel it is safe to say that “the light” and consciousness are virtually interchangeable, which could allow us to expand the transitive equation above to reflect that physical matter is not only energy. It is by definition also comprised of stabilized light, which is itself the consciousness of the universe. By this reasoning, the entire universe is comprised of a single consciousness which chooses to manifest itself in an infinity of physical and nonphysical forms in order to create and express Itself in order to experience and get to know Itself.

The implications of this idea are far reaching and imply that your consciousness is actually not separated from my consciousness. We are all one and the same, and part of a larger overarching, all encompassing consciousness. Our ‘separation’ and individuality is only the illusion of separation, which physical reality creates specifically for the purpose of allowing us to experience that sensation for further development.

There are so many more implications that these findings imply, and I look forward to sharing them with you. If you’re interested, the first half of my book is available for free online. I expect the entire book will be published and available near the beginning of autumn, 2012. In the meantime, I’m interested in hearing your thoughts on consciousness (as well as the first half of my book). Thanks for reading.

Wade Wilson, Author of The Hidden Truth
Joesus
Tho consciousness has energy, it can also manipulate energy. It could not logically be contained in the definition of energy unless energy was undefinable and had an infinite number of names. I think God is one of those names, and tho religion and Webster may offer definitive descriptions, the Authors of many books will, and have, put their own descriptions into the pot of evidence within boundaries of their own relative definitions. Some are more entertaining than others. In particular those that are authored in testimony to definition rather than a tradition in experience that goes beyond the definable.

It would be impossible to contain the infinite in a book, let alone the quart jar of personal definition.

Good fortune in writing your book. Hope it enlivens your reality beyond the complacency of the ego and self identification with relative Idols.
Joesus
So far a fascinating read.
I will be purchasing the book.
P JayS
God is a Spirit. Spirit can control energy and matter and light.

Consciousness comes from the Spirit realm.
Joesus
QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 06, 2012, 07:55 PM) *

God is a Spirit. Spirit can control energy and matter and light.

Consciousness comes from the Spirit realm.

God is more than a spirit, or an apparition. God is consciousness and the spirit of God resides in all of reality.
P JayS
What if God were to die? Would consciousness end?

http://school0pjs1.multiply.com/journal/item/7
Joesus
QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 07, 2012, 07:58 PM) *

What if God were to die? Would consciousness end?

http://school0pjs1.multiply.com/journal/item/7

God the person is not God consciousness which creates the person or personality. If the Person dies the ego that defines God and the person will die, but then what is death?
Science has pondered the differences between relative perspectives and the timeless qualities of potential which does not differentiate between past present and future in the theories of quantum physics.

People determine what God is, what spirit is and what consciousness is, yet consciousness is not bound by the ideals created by the ego in the boundaries that are determined when God consciousness dwells within the relative.

The quart jar of human identity lacks a certain insight due to the short sightedness of belief and opinion set within the boundaries of birth and death as the reality of life.
P JayS
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jun 08, 2012, 12:01 PM) *

QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 07, 2012, 07:58 PM) *

What if God were to die? Would consciousness end?

http://school0pjs1.multiply.com/journal/item/7

God the person is not God consciousness which creates the person or personality. If the Person dies the ego that defines God and the person will die, but then what is death?
Science has pondered the differences between relative perspectives and the timeless qualities of potential which does not differentiate between past present and future in the theories of quantum physics.

People determine what God is, what spirit is and what consciousness is, yet consciousness is not bound by the ideals created by the ego in the boundaries that are determined when God consciousness dwells within the relative.

The quart jar of human identity lacks a certain insight due to the short sightedness of belief and opinion set within the boundaries of birth and death as the reality of life.

Therefore God who was alone became Father when he created. Later God became irrational and now has died as a result but the Person of Father lives on. Since God gave the first man the breath of life or consciousness and in turn created a female for the man so that children could be born with consciousness then this quality lives on in Father and people even though God has died.
Joesus
QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 09, 2012, 01:10 PM) *

Therefore God who was alone became Father when he created. Later God became irrational and now has died as a result but the Person of Father lives on.

God is not an entity that lives within the concepts of isolation, aloneness, or surrounded by relative creations, that is the religious concept of God.
Religion in the name of God has killed: imagination, intuition, awareness and objectivity and replaced it with superstitious nonsense.

QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 09, 2012, 01:10 PM) *

Since God gave the first man the breath of life or consciousness and in turn created a female for the man so that children could be born with consciousness then this quality lives on in Father and people even though God has died.
God never died. God gave man all that God is and man imagined himself dead. There is a distinct difference.
It'd be like you imagining God, and then God becoming what you imagine. How ridiculous is that? blink.gif
P JayS
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jun 09, 2012, 05:57 AM) *

QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 09, 2012, 01:10 PM) *

Therefore God who was alone became Father when he created. Later God became irrational and now has died as a result but the Person of Father lives on.

God is not an entity that lives within the concepts of isolation, aloneness, or surrounded by relative creations, that is the religious concept of God.
Religion in the name of God has killed: imagination, intuition, awareness and objectivity and replaced it with superstitious nonsense.

QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 09, 2012, 01:10 PM) *

Since God gave the first man the breath of life or consciousness and in turn created a female for the man so that children could be born with consciousness then this quality lives on in Father and people even though God has died.
God never died. God gave man all that God is and man imagined himself dead. There is a distinct difference.
It'd be like you imagining God, and then God becoming what you imagine. How ridiculous is that? blink.gif

But when God created the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden it was God who said the man would die if he ate from a forbidden fruit tree. It was not the man who imagined this. God issued the control over death.
Joesus
QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 09, 2012, 02:04 PM) *

But when God created the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden it was God who said the man would die if he ate from a forbidden fruit tree. It was not the man who imagined this. God issued the control over death.

So your saying God did not create man in the image of God, but God imagined man dead and as such imagined man to have a destiny to die as a result of Gods imaginings.
Man having no idea what death was but still given control over what he could not imagine.

i.e. God put man in (mythical) garden of eden, stating thusly "you will die as a result of eating of the fruit of the tree of good and evil" creating the edict (since God is all powerful and doesn't make ambiguous statements) "you shall die" without first giving Adam or Eve any insight to the reality of death.
P JayS
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jun 10, 2012, 05:57 AM) *

QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 09, 2012, 02:04 PM) *

But when God created the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden it was God who said the man would die if he ate from a forbidden fruit tree. It was not the man who imagined this. God issued the control over death.

So your saying God did not create man in the image of God, but God imagined man dead and as such imagined man to have a destiny to die as a result of Gods imaginings.
Man having no idea what death was but still given control over what he could not imagine.

i.e. God put man in (mythical) garden of eden, stating thusly "you will die as a result of eating of the fruit of the tree of good and evil" creating the edict (since God is all powerful and doesn't make ambiguous statements) "you shall die" without first giving Adam or Eve any insight to the reality of death.

How old is a fossil? Could not the man see that some life form gave up its life to reside in rock? Likewise perfect man could see the animals die and realize that God could end his life too if he rebelled against God's wishes for man's continued life.
Joesus
QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 11, 2012, 10:11 PM) *


How old is a fossil? Could not the man see that some life form gave up its life to reside in rock? Likewise perfect man could see the animals die and realize that God could end his life too if he rebelled against God's wishes for man's continued life.

You're saying the garden of Eden had fossils and dead animals....?
P JayS
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jun 11, 2012, 04:34 PM) *

QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 11, 2012, 10:11 PM) *


How old is a fossil? Could not the man see that some life form gave up its life to reside in rock? Likewise perfect man could see the animals die and realize that God could end his life too if he rebelled against God's wishes for man's continued life.

You're saying the garden of Eden had fossils and dead animals....?

The Garden of Eden was a special property bordered by 4 rivers. The man was brought to the garden by God. The serpent was the most cautious of the beasts of the field. The man may have named the animals outside the garden, i'm not sure what the record says definitely right now.

Are there any fossils of humans? Perhaps man was here first. Who knows? But after man fell short of God's glory then he was no longer perfect and ended up having the same eventuality as an animal. A dead soul.

If man came from a monkey and animals die then it may be hard for some to believe that man once was perfect. However not everybody believes in evolution.
Joesus
QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 12, 2012, 07:11 PM) *

The man may have named the animals outside the garden, i'm not sure what the record says definitely right now.

Are you making an assumption that Man knew about death by using the fossil idea relating to dead animals and your interpretation of Eden as a real place? Possibly a place located on Planet Earth? (Getting up to speed with the Jehovahs Witnesses and their religious beliefs)
P JayS
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jun 12, 2012, 06:05 PM) *

QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 12, 2012, 07:11 PM) *

The man may have named the animals outside the garden, i'm not sure what the record says definitely right now.

Are you making an assumption that Man knew about death by using the fossil idea relating to dead animals and your interpretation of Eden as a real place? Possibly a place located on Planet Earth? (Getting up to speed with the Jehovahs Witnesses and their religious beliefs)

Yes. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the garden was a place on earth with the first man. Fossils may have come after the first man due to a global flood which heavy waters may have turned matter into stone.

When man came to live he would be conscious that he had a start by seeing his enviroment around him and being able to talk to God personally as a physical son of God. When man was told that he could die, the man could probably understand that he wouldn't exist anymore.
code buttons
QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 12, 2012, 11:11 AM) *

The Garden of Eden was a special property bordered by 4 rivers. The man was brought to the garden by God. The serpent was the most cautious of the beasts of the field. The man may have named the animals outside the garden, i'm not sure what the record says definitely right now.

Are there any fossils of humans? Perhaps man was here first. Who knows? But after man fell short of God's glory then he was no longer perfect and ended up having the same eventuality as an animal. A dead soul.

If man came from a monkey and animals die then it may be hard for some to believe that man once was perfect. However not everybody believes in evolution.

What you are saying makes you a Christian who believes in evolution... Right? Or an evolutionist who goes to church?... So, basically, you take the historical content of the Bible at face value, PJay'S?
Joesus
QUOTE(code buttons @ Jun 13, 2012, 10:13 PM) *

So, basically, you take the historical content of the Bible at face value, PJay'S?

He subscribes to the tenets of the Bible of The Jehovah's Witnesses, a rewrite of a rewrite of a rewrite etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses


The New World Translation

The New World Translation of the Bible is Jehovah's Witnesses own translation, no other religious group uses this Bible and Jehovah's Witnesses make very little use of other Bibles.

The translators of The New World Translation were: Nathan Knorr, Albert Schroeder, George Gangas, Fred Franz, M. Henschel

"Fred Franz was the only one with any knowledge of the Bible languages to attempt translation of this kind. He had studied Greek for two years in the University of Cincinnati but was only self-taught in Hebrew." ["Crisis of Conscience"; by Raymond Franz; Commentary Press, Atlanta; 1983 edition; footnote 15; page 50.]

Four out of the five men on the committee had no Hebrew or Greek training at all, and only a high school education. Franz studied Greek for two years at the University of Cincinnati, but dropped out after his sophomore year. When asked in a Scotland courtroom if he could translate Genesis 2:4 into Hebrew, Franz replied that he could not. The truth is that Franz was unable to translate Hebrew or Greek.

What we have is a very inexperienced translating committee that twisted Scripture to make it fit the Society's doctrine.

In A Grossly misleading translation ( new world translation )

John 1:1, which reads "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God," is shockingly mistranslated, "Originally the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god," in a New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, published under the auspices of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Since my name is used and our Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament is quoted on page 744 to seek to justify their translation I am making this statement.
The translation suggested in our Grammar for the disputed passage is, "the Word was deity." Moffatt's rendering is "the Word was divine." William's translation is, "the Word was God Himself." Each translation reflects the dominant idea in the Greek. For, whenever an article does not precede a noun in Greek, that noun can either be considered as emphasizing the character, nature, essence or quality of a person or thing, as theos (God) does in John 1:1, or it can be translated in certain contexts as indefinite, as they have done. But of all the scholars in the world, as far as we know, none have translated this verse as Jehovah's Witnesses have

A Grossly misleading translation ( new world translation )
Reprinted with permission


John 1:1, which reads "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God," is shockingly mistranslated, "Originally the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god," in a New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, published under the auspices of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Since my name is used and our Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament is quoted on page 744 to seek to justify their translation I am making this statement.

The translation suggested in our Grammar for the disputed passage is, "the Word was deity." Moffatt's rendering is "the Word was divine." William's translation is, "the Word was God Himself." Each translation reflects the dominant idea in the Greek. For, whenever an article does not precede a noun in Greek, that noun can either be considered as emphasizing the character, nature, essence or quality of a person or thing, as theos (God) does in John 1:1, or it can be translated in certain contexts as indefinite, as they have done. But of all the scholars in the world, as far as we know, none have translated this verse as Jehovah's Witnesses have.

If the Greek article occurred with both Word and God in John 1:1 the implication would be that they are one and the same person, absolutely identical. But John affirmed that "the Word was with (the) God" (the definite article preceding each noun), and in so writing he indicated his belief that they are distinct and separate personalities. Then John next stated that the Word was God, i.e., of the same family or essence that characterizes the Creator. Or, in other words, that both are of the same nature, and the nature is the highest in existence, namely divine.

Examples where the noun in the predicate does not have an article, as in the above verse, are: John 4:24, "God is spirit," (not a spirit); I John 4:16, "God is love," (not a love); I John 1:5, "God is light," (not a light); and Matthew 13:39, "the reapers are angels," i.e. they are the type of beings known as angels. In each instance the noun in the predicate was used to describe some quality or characteristics of the subject, whether as to nature or type.

The apostle John in the context of the introduction to his gospel is pulling all the stops out of language to portray not only the deity of Christ but also His equality with the Father. He states that the Word was in the beginning, that He was with God, that He was God and that all creation came into existence through Him and that not even one thing exists which was not created by Christ. What else could be said that John did not say? In John 1:18 he explained that Christ had been so intimate with the Father that He was in His bosom and that He came to earth to exhibit or portray God. But if we had no other statement from John except that which is found in John 14:9, "He that has seen me has seen the Father," that would be enough to satisfy the seeking soul that Christ and God are the same in essence and that both are divine and equal in nature.

Besides, the whole tenor of New Testament revelation points in this direction. Compare Paul's declaration in Colossians 1:19, for instance: "that all the divine fullness should dwell in Him," or the statement in Hebrews 1:3, "He is the reflection of God's glory and the perfect representation of His being, and continues to uphold the universe by His mighty word." (Williams translation). And note the sweeping, cosmic claim recorded in Matthew 28:19, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and earth."

And, if we contrast with that the belittling implication that Christ was only a god, do we not at once detect the discord? Does not such a conception conflict with the New Testament message both in whole and in part? Why, if John, in the midst of the idolatry of his day, had made such a statement would not the first century hearers and readers have gotten a totally inadequate picture of Christ, who we believe, is the Creator of the universe and the only Redeemer of humanity?


Julius Robert Mantey, A.B., Thd.D., PH.D., D.D.

CRI, P.O. Box 7000, Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688
Phone (949) 858-6100 and Fax (949) 858-6111

http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/New_Wo...translation.htm
code buttons
I don't know what you just typed Joesus, As I have chosen the 'Ignore' buttons on you and all of your posts. Just letting you know so you don't waste your time any more answering to any of my posts.
Joesus
QUOTE(code buttons @ Jun 14, 2012, 03:20 AM) *

I don't know what you just typed Joesus, As I have chosen the 'Ignore' buttons on you and all of your posts. Just letting you know so you don't waste your time any more answering to any of my posts.

Then I guess I'll not think of wasting my time on you, and just waste my time with everyone else.
Jakare
QUOTE(P JayS @ Jun 12, 2012, 08:11 PM) *

However not everybody believes in evolution.


And what do such disbelivers think about vaccination then? Doesn´t flu viruses 'evolve' every year?
http://www.livescience.com/7745-swine-flu-...ion-action.html
There is nothing wrong with having strong beliefs. Having said that, being emotionally attached to such
beliefs prevents people from realizing reality.
Needless to say that proof of evolution doesn´t necessarily disprobe god at all. And keeping an outdated belief just because has been historically attached to the idea of god is just a childish attitude.
P JayS
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jun 14, 2012, 06:30 AM) *

QUOTE(code buttons @ Jun 14, 2012, 03:20 AM) *

I don't know what you just typed Joesus, As I have chosen the 'Ignore' buttons on you and all of your posts. Just letting you know so you don't waste your time any more answering to any of my posts.

Then I guess I'll not think of wasting my time on you, and just waste my time with everyone else.

Joesus here is my response to the Worldwide Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses being one of them myself.
I hope that you understand the affect that you have had on me to do this.

Open the link and see commnt 5 if you want too.
http://school0pjs1.multiply.com/journal/item/7

Your shared education is appreciated.

Peter
Joesus
What affect has it had? By directing me to your personal site, I get the feeling you really want to be taken seriously. Note that I can understand you are dead serious.
However, I don't share your belief in your religion or the translations created by the JW's to imply such a limited and personal perspective.
Dan
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jun 15, 2012, 12:02 AM) *
What affect has it had? By directing me to your personal site, I get the feeling you really want to be taken seriously. Note that I can understand you are dead serious.
However, I don't share your belief in your religion or the translations created by the JW's to imply such a limited and personal perspective.

Dontcha think maybe PJS is, ahem, a bit out of your league? I guess if you are really bored, or just want to help, or something. Maybe you can play some mathemagic with him, he seems fond of that. He does look a bit serious with regard to his threat to take down Visa unless it cops to its role in his family breakup 10 years ago. I hope he takes it to 'em!
Joesus
Out of my league?
Dan
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jun 15, 2012, 08:20 AM) *
Out of my league?

Well, maybe just a different league. Like baseball and basketball. Both play with their balls, but the rules of engagement are quite different.
Joesus
QUOTE(Dan @ Jun 15, 2012, 01:52 PM) *

Like baseball and basketball.

I'm underwhelmed... But you are consistent.
Dan
I guess it just gets quiet around here sometimes. Not much highbrow thought going on, other than psychochemical "research". Carry on ...
P JayS
QUOTE(Dan @ Jun 15, 2012, 05:52 AM) *

QUOTE(Joesus @ Jun 15, 2012, 08:20 AM) *
Out of my league?

Well, maybe just a different league. Like baseball and basketball. Both play with their balls, but the rules of engagement are quite different.

What's wrong with ping-pong? You need balls to play that too or 8 Ball for example! Good choice in sports though. Hantsport loves both of them (baseball and basketball ... oops and soccer too). There are three soccer fields in one small town. Two places to play basketball (one outdoor and one indoor court) and two baseball fields.
Mahesh
your explanation towards Consciousness is impressive and i found your book online too. i would very much like to know what your opinion about Theory of Everything (TOE). anyways i will read your book and let you know more about my opinion towards it. meantime i think this Article also about Consciousness is overwhelming.

http://www.worldtransformation.com/consciousness/
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Jazzebel
QUOTE(Author of The Hidden Truth @ May 22, 2012, 08:46 AM) *

One of the interesting findings I reached while writing my book, The Hidden Truth: A logical path through compelling evidence to discover the nature of reality and the meaning of life, was the true nature of consciousness. In chapter two, which discussed many findings within quantum physics, a series of findings and proofs lead the reader to understand that physical matter is not only comprised of energy, it actually is nothing but energy. Shortly thereafter, I show how energy is also equivalent to light, and later we learn that light resides outside of space and time because it does not operate by the rules of the universe, but requires a “Special Rule of Relativity.” From the transitive property of mathematics where if a=b and b=c, then a=c, we prove that matter = energy = stabilized light.

The discussion of consciousness is one of the most difficult aspects of the book, including chapter two. Scientists have been grappling with what consciousness is without clear resolution. Through the progression of findings in my book, I feel it is safe to say that “the light” and consciousness are virtually interchangeable, which could allow us to expand the transitive equation above to reflect that physical matter is not only energy. It is by definition also comprised of stabilized light, which is itself the consciousness of the universe. By this reasoning, the entire universe is comprised of a single consciousness which chooses to manifest itself in an infinity of physical and nonphysical forms in order to create and express Itself in order to experience and get to know Itself.

The implications of this idea are far reaching and imply that your consciousness is actually not separated from my consciousness. We are all one and the same, and part of a larger overarching, all encompassing consciousness. Our ‘separation’ and individuality is only the illusion of separation, which physical reality creates specifically for the purpose of allowing us to experience that sensation for further development.

There are so many more implications that these findings imply, and I look forward to sharing them with you. If you’re interested, the first half of my book is available for free online. I expect the entire book will be published and available near the beginning of autumn, 2012. In the meantime, I’m interested in hearing your thoughts on consciousness (as well as the first half of my book). Thanks for reading.

Wade Wilson, Author of The Hidden Truth

I like the way you think about consciousness and will definitely read the book. My point of view is that the consciousness, if used in a proper manner, can be used as a sharing network. Let me explain what I mean by sharing network: I am a firm believer that I can connect my consciousness to, for example, my next door neighbor. While connected you consciously receive signals. Nowadays this also occurs, only not consciously. This is for example where psychics get their 'supernatural abilities' from. In fact these are not 'superpowers', they are just able to pick up signals that others cannot perceive because their consciousness is limited. I also believe that in the (far) future people will connect their consciousness on a daily basis to share and receive information. I would love to hear your opinion about this.
P JayS
QUOTE(Jazzebel @ Jan 29, 2013, 05:37 AM) *

QUOTE(Author of The Hidden Truth @ May 22, 2012, 08:46 AM) *

One of the interesting findings I reached while writing my book, The Hidden Truth: A logical path through compelling evidence to discover the nature of reality and the meaning of life, was the true nature of consciousness. In chapter two, which discussed many findings within quantum physics, a series of findings and proofs lead the reader to understand that physical matter is not only comprised of energy, it actually is nothing but energy. Shortly thereafter, I show how energy is also equivalent to light, and later we learn that light resides outside of space and time because it does not operate by the rules of the universe, but requires a “Special Rule of Relativity.” From the transitive property of mathematics where if a=b and b=c, then a=c, we prove that matter = energy = stabilized light.

The discussion of consciousness is one of the most difficult aspects of the book, including chapter two. Scientists have been grappling with what consciousness is without clear resolution. Through the progression of findings in my book, I feel it is safe to say that “the light” and consciousness are virtually interchangeable, which could allow us to expand the transitive equation above to reflect that physical matter is not only energy. It is by definition also comprised of stabilized light, which is itself the consciousness of the universe. By this reasoning, the entire universe is comprised of a single consciousness which chooses to manifest itself in an infinity of physical and nonphysical forms in order to create and express Itself in order to experience and get to know Itself.

The implications of this idea are far reaching and imply that your consciousness is actually not separated from my consciousness. We are all one and the same, and part of a larger overarching, all encompassing consciousness. Our ‘separation’ and individuality is only the illusion of separation, which physical reality creates specifically for the purpose of allowing us to experience that sensation for further development.

There are so many more implications that these findings imply, and I look forward to sharing them with you. If you’re interested, the first half of my book is available for free online. I expect the entire book will be published and available near the beginning of autumn, 2012. In the meantime, I’m interested in hearing your thoughts on consciousness (as well as the first half of my book). Thanks for reading.

Wade Wilson, Author of The Hidden Truth

I like the way you think about consciousness and will definitely read the book. My point of view is that the consciousness, if used in a proper manner, can be used as a sharing network. Let me explain what I mean by sharing network: I am a firm believer that I can connect my consciousness to, for example, my next door neighbor. While connected you consciously receive signals. Nowadays this also occurs, only not consciously. This is for example where psychics get their 'supernatural abilities' from. In fact these are not 'superpowers', they are just able to pick up signals that others cannot perceive because their consciousness is limited. I also believe that in the (far) future people will connect their consciousness on a daily basis to share and receive information. I would love to hear your opinion about this.

It may not be that far into the future. i receive input consciously from individuals in the spirit realm already.
Joesus
QUOTE(P JayS @ Jan 31, 2013, 05:40 AM) *

It may not be that far into the future. i receive input consciously from individuals in the spirit realm already.

Are these conscious spirits former Jehovahs witnesses saved by God upon death, or immortal souls that have realized death is a relative thing?

By the way you might want to read the book. Especially the parts about NDE's and reincarnation.. wink.gif
P JayS
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jan 31, 2013, 08:48 AM) *

QUOTE(P JayS @ Jan 31, 2013, 05:40 AM) *

It may not be that far into the future. i receive input consciously from individuals in the spirit realm already.

Are these conscious spirits former Jehovahs witnesses saved by God upon death, or immortal souls that have realized death is a relative thing?

By the way you might want to read the book. Especially the parts about NDE's and reincarnation.. wink.gif

Well of those claiming to be real to me is Jehovah God and his Firstborn Spirit Son Christ Jesus themselves. Also individuals like the Apostle Paul and the Apostle Peter and the likes of Brother Russel and Brother Rutherford as well as numerous others. They speak to me in the spirit within my person including the Original Serpent.

Since the Bible reveals that the Devil is ever a liar and deceiver then i take the promise of God to come to BrainMeta.com (as i have been repeatedly told when the time is right for it) with a grain of salt.

I would like to trust God and Christ Jesus with their worde to me but they both understand that it requires their manifestation at brainmeta.com and then the UN like they told me they would do.

As Jehovah's Witnesses preach the end of wickedness is near then time is fast running out for manifestations of peace otherwise with the intent to save everyone, if the end coming was once true as prophesied for our day by Jesus Christ before his death.
Lizard King
QUOTE(Author of The Hidden Truth @ May 21, 2012, 11:46 PM) *

One of the interesting findings I reached while writing my book, The Hidden Truth: A logical path through compelling evidence to discover the nature of reality and the meaning of life, was the true nature of consciousness. In chapter two, which discussed many findings within quantum physics, a series of findings and proofs lead the reader to understand that physical matter is not only comprised of energy, it actually is nothing but energy. Shortly thereafter, I show how energy is also equivalent to light, and later we learn that light resides outside of space and time because it does not operate by the rules of the universe, but requires a “Special Rule of Relativity.” From the transitive property of mathematics where if a=b and b=c, then a=c, we prove that matter = energy = stabilized light.

The discussion of consciousness is one of the most difficult aspects of the book, including chapter two. Scientists have been grappling with what consciousness is without clear resolution. Through the progression of findings in my book, I feel it is safe to say that “the light” and consciousness are virtually interchangeable, which could allow us to expand the transitive equation above to reflect that physical matter is not only energy. It is by definition also comprised of stabilized light, which is itself the consciousness of the universe. By this reasoning, the entire universe is comprised of a single consciousness which chooses to manifest itself in an infinity of physical and nonphysical forms in order to create and express Itself in order to experience and get to know Itself.

The implications of this idea are far reaching and imply that your consciousness is actually not separated from my consciousness. We are all one and the same, and part of a larger overarching, all encompassing consciousness. Our ‘separation’ and individuality is only the illusion of separation, which physical reality creates specifically for the purpose of allowing us to experience that sensation for further development.

There are so many more implications that these findings imply, and I look forward to sharing them with you. If you’re interested, the first half of my book is available for free online. I expect the entire book will be published and available near the beginning of autumn, 2012. In the meantime, I’m interested in hearing your thoughts on consciousness (as well as the first half of my book). Thanks for reading.

Wade Wilson, Author of The Hidden Truth




I read the online half, chapter 2 is interesting, and i can't speak to NDEs or OBEs but Chapter 4 makes no sense to me. I believe what you refer to as the "Oversoul" is the only Soul ie (common Soul) and that Soul experiences reincarnation. We are not micro souls that are to repeat forgotten lessons (that may or may not even have been learned), God would not be such an inefficiant teacher. Also Bell's Theorem aside, as you have stated (to paraphrase) for Life Timing is everything. As for chapter 5, more likely it is due to a connection with the Oversoul/common consciousness.
By the way, i do agree with the books title, just that it may not be as deeply hidden as we may suppose.
Physics and Life may be two sides of the same coin, but our responsibility is to concern ourselves with the latter and utilize the former to help Lighten the load, so to speak.

P JayS
"From the transitive property of mathematics where if a=b and b=c, then a=c, we prove that matter = energy = stabilized light."

However "stabilized light" is a condition of light in general. Its speed is relative. Light that travels c speed or about 186234 miles per second is visible light. Light that travels in a similar linear fashion at c^2 speed is (186234)^2 miles per second or invisible dark light which is still stabilized at a much faster pace.

This portion of c^2 dark light makes up a basic span of energy, namely E = mc^2 at 0 mass for forming visible matter with. So from this we learn that from infinite light or c^n comes relative light = relative energy = relative matter.

For example a galaxy requires more dark light than a singular planet does. Even a universe that has many galaxies does not even begin to exhaust c^n. Likewise the energy that makes up a person is less that the energy of a whole population of people. In that case matter = energy = people. It is people that are made in God's image or at least that is what the stabilized light of God's Word has told us from the Bible anyway.
Lizard King
It is good that one can recognize God in me
But when one worships me as a God outside of themselves,
Then they do not recognize God
But some ideal or imaginary image
And this is Idolatry.
.................................. Joey


And thou who thinkest to seek for me, know thy seeking and
yearning shall avail thee not, unless thou know the mystery:
that if that which thou seekest thou findest not within thee,
thou wilt never find it without thee.

For behold, I have been with thee from the begining, and I am
that which is attained at the end of Desire.
................................................................FT. COTG.

Electric quanta are active stabilized light & we are Electric beings, yes.

I did get a glimpse of a chart by, Garajajev, Gariaev, Poponin & Iona Miller.

&

The Word is, That Sea is VENerable.

Midnight Oil ~ One Country..... KIRILANI~?
P JayS
"Electric quanta are active stabilized light & we are Electric beings, yes.".

I have felt the charge of your being within my soul. #4 has served me well, but will we marry or not?. Perhaps Lizard King that you desire #4 more than i do. It's all in the Music i guess.
Joesus
QUOTE(Lizard King @ Feb 05, 2013, 05:52 AM) *

I read the online half, chapter 2 is interesting, and i can't speak to NDEs or OBEs but Chapter 4 makes no sense to me. I believe what you refer to as the "Oversoul" is the only Soul ie (common Soul) and that Soul experiences reincarnation. We are not micro souls that are to repeat forgotten lessons (that may or may not even have been learned), God would not be such an inefficiant teacher.

You seem to be implying that God has control over your choice to listen, learn and become. God being perfect, has created you as a reflection of God to have one experience of something (no more) and get all that one could get from that one thing that there is to get. Then you as a disposable unit are cast back into the soup to be created as something else.
Sounds simple enough, except for the fact that even with 7 billion people at one time on the planet, there seems to still be, not enough collective experience of God to put God in a box, even if we include all of humanity on earth from past to possible futures.
QUOTE(Lizard King @ Feb 05, 2013, 05:52 AM) *

Also Bell's Theorem aside, as you have stated (to paraphrase) for Life Timing is everything. As for chapter 5, more likely it is due to a connection with the Oversoul/common consciousness.
By the way, i do agree with the books title, just that it may not be as deeply hidden as we may suppose.
Physics and Life may be two sides of the same coin, but our responsibility is to concern ourselves with the latter and utilize the former to help Lighten the load, so to speak.

So simple anyone can do it. So simple our state of humanity REFLECTS the simplicity of cognition and wisdom.

( would someone please remove the button and the person who might push it that will end the world)

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P JayS
"( would someone please remove the button and the person who might push it that will end the world)".

Why don't you do your own removal work? Oops does that take the smile off your little smiley face?
Joesus

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Lizard King
Guilty as charged.

Emotion can and to often does overpower reason. blank.gif sad.gif
Joesus
QUOTE(Lizard King @ Feb 06, 2013, 04:32 AM) *

Emotion can and to often does overpower reason.

Reason can be driven by emotion. Knowledge and peace of mind is often a relative to wisdom, which is superior to reason.
Lizard King
Agreed

Knowledge, compassion & wisdom = peace

Without compassion wisdom cannot be erudite.

Without wisdom knowledge can be ignorence.

Without reason compassion can neither be wisdom nor erudite.

And our minds are uniquely endowed for erudite education in lieu of experience.

Erudite compassion = peace

Very little experience necessary
Joesus
QUOTE(Lizard King @ Feb 06, 2013, 07:30 AM) *

Very little experience necessary
Innocence and ignorance are not the same thing...

Experience of God/Love (unconditional love) is tantamount to a foundation of wisdom that is connected to all that is.
Reasoning from the duality of opposites, or even compassion and wisdom is relative to the sensory perceptions of reality as the appear to the ego, not necessarily the spirit.

Science has observed brain activity in studies of meditation that show a shift in activity from the dominant thinking side of the brain (waking state) to the intuitive areas or the areas most active in dreaming states.
Awareness is not without reason as knowledge and experience of the relative is tantamount to the activity of spirit within the relative. Every aspect of consciousness within the relative is supported by natural laws created by consciousness.
Such as the differences which apply to states of consciousness.

The relative is created and maintained by consciousness itself, which is not created from the relative as it is believed by most people conditioned by the relative and who live primarily from the waking state of consciousness.

Spiritual science reflects enlightenment as a mind that is seated 100% in consciousness, and 100% in the relative. One does not exist without the other, Yet in the waking state mind, consciousness is subjective, in respect to the precepts of belief generated by the boundaries of human idealism. Wisdom, compassion, love, consciousness, past present and future are all bound by beliefs generated thru experience bound to the relative, and a product of evolution in the species.

Consciousness does not bind itself to time or evolution (ego does). Past present and future work with each other and all timelines are constantly multidimensional and never absolute. Future creates the past as easily as past creates the future. There is no single timeline nor a single way things are supposed to be..
Futures are possible but intuition follows probable realities.
Every future change can effect a change in the past.

Wisdom and compassion is found in the NOW, and so without direct cognition/experience of all that is in the present moment, concepts are generated from an experience of what was, and formulated from the past impressions to imply a direction towards a probable future.
Since each individual sets his or her determination by the personal understanding, all relative past events and probable futures are going to be separated by personality or ego.
In such an environment where ego separates itself from ego, God becomes personal or a projection of ones personality as does reality. God then is created by man in mans image.

Common ground is not found in the personal reality, regardless of whether one can find commonality in the fact that everyone has their own perceptions and you can observe the diversity of personality and its unique creative reflection.
It is found in THAT which is absolute.
THAT supports all personal realities, and it is THAT which the personal reality pulls from (so to speak) to experience the Personal reality. (The image of God is the creative impulse and Love which is not partial or impartial. It just is)
From immersion in that one can become one, with not only all that is ("I and my Father are One") but join another in the cognitive experience of their personal reality without losing awareness of ones own personality or timeline. Effectively shifting the point of reference that was bound to the personal, to that which supports all personal realities.
This is the immortal self. All personal realities are characters on a stage, souls within souls within souls within a soul of God, which cannot be defined by individuality nor bound to any religion, belief, or experience of any kind.

Compassion is not kind to ego, nor does it jump into any hole created by the ego to tend to the ego and it's belief in suffering. It stands solid in absolute truth, offering a hand to man who would reach higher than the individual perspective.

Michaelangelo painted his depiction of man in his relationship with God.



it represents the separation of Man from God. Man believes he is waiting for God and so his finger is limp. God is reaching down and all man has to do is lift his finger to touch God, yet man is so deluded by his ideas of separation that he waits for God to come to him, believing that he is destined to wait for some future moment when God will come.

Compassion does not favor giving any slack to man when it comes to waking up. Man is determined thru belief to accept his destiny to be separate from God/consciousness and wait for something to take his suffering away.

The picture does not reflect an idea that there is a God separate from man, but rather the separation of God and man being created by man. God and man are one in the same. The idea of anything other is created thru the imagination of the ego.
Religion is created by ego. Religious compassion is created by ego, God in any religious sense outside of ones self is created by ego.

God has an eternity to wait. Man has his liftime(s) to wait, until he finally wakes up (becomes enlightened) to do away with the separation between the imagined God and what he imagines himself/herself to be.
P JayS
You have quite the active imagination Joesus! It is other people's experience that God is in a Father relationship with Christ Jesus and the rest of us that are in union with them. But not everyone is in union with Father and Christ Jesus.

By the compassion of God the wicked have been left time to get in union with the Father before being removed from the earthly seen. (Psalms 37:10, 11).

You speak of your own ideals and not the truth about God. You do not know God and should not speak for him so much. You set yourself up as a teacher of misconception about God.

Those following you will fall into the same pit of spiritual darkness. You are only a mortal man. May i remind you that narrow and cramped is the road leading off to life and few are the ones finding it. Only those who are in union with Father are on that road.

Broad and spacious is the road leading off to destruction and many are the ones on it. You should really research how popular the teaching of immortality of the soul is around the world. But God is not in union with the world.
Joesus
QUOTE(P JayS @ Feb 06, 2013, 05:14 PM) *

It is other people's experience that God is in a Father relationship with Christ Jesus and the rest of us that are in union with them.

You know these people and they have told you they met God and Jesus and have observed this Father Son Relationship?
QUOTE(P JayS @ Feb 06, 2013, 05:14 PM) *

But not everyone is in union with Father and Christ Jesus.

Not everyone has an experience of God or Christ. Religion is testimony to that, with all of its diversity in belief. Like your depressing testimony to a God that can't create properly and a Son of God who has come to take peace from humanity. Like Father Like son according to you. A God that created suffering in humanity as the image of God.

QUOTE(P JayS @ Feb 06, 2013, 05:14 PM) *

By the compassion of God the wicked have been left time to get in union with the Father before being removed from the earthly seen. (Psalms 37:10, 11).
The same God that lied according to you and has let the righteous die for the last several thousand years makes threats to his own children that they shall suffer the humiliation and wrath of a dysfunctional God.

Gotta love the bible in all its idealisms. The fact that it doesn't chronicle the years spent teaching his disciples but instead embodies a few phrases picked out by a panel of judges to create an image or personality in God to design a religion. Then you get the Jehovahs witnesses who weren't satisfied with the image created by the Christians, and so another Bible was manufactured to create another image.
Then there is Pee J who steps above and beyond his own religion, to manufacture yet another story of a deceitful retarded God that needs to be saved by his son to bring righteousness to creation and humanity.

HBO should create a series from the drama. But then it would never match the manipulation, bloodshed and suffering that Religion has brought in the name of God.
QUOTE(P JayS @ Feb 06, 2013, 05:14 PM) *

You speak of your own ideals and not the truth about God.

I speak in testimony to consciousness of the spiritual sciences, as well as my own direct experience.
QUOTE(P JayS @ Feb 06, 2013, 05:14 PM) *
You do not know God and should not speak for him so much. You set yourself up as a teacher of misconception about God.

According to you, because it conflicts with your belief.
Like I said, Jesus Teachings were in fact directed to the experience of God. The Jehovahs witnesses and other religions who subscribe to their dogma of the bible do not profess to have any method to lead anyone to their own direct experience God as Jesus taught.

Since your testimony isn't even accepted by your own peers regarding the lying dysfunctional God, you don't make for a convincing argument for any direct experience of God based on your own religion. The Fact that you explain you haven't had the time to study scripture but you do have time to attack the Credit card companies, also gives testimony to what is more important to you in life.
(Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's)
QUOTE(P JayS @ Feb 06, 2013, 05:14 PM) *

Those following you will fall into the same pit of spiritual darkness. You are only a mortal man. May i remind you that narrow and cramped is the road leading off to life and few are the ones finding it. Only those who are in union with Father are on that road.

My Union with God is not for anyone to follow. I don't teach anyone to follow me. That was not what Jesus or any other master taught others to do.
Following anyone that has an experience of God without gaining direct experience is not going to give another their own experience, anymore than following a doctor around the hospital is going to make you a doctor.

Your ideas regarding spirituality and your lack of experience with scripture are self evident and moronic.
QUOTE(P JayS @ Feb 06, 2013, 05:14 PM) *

Broad and spacious is the road leading off to destruction and many are the ones on it. You should really research how popular the teaching of immortality of the soul is around the world.

Well the idea of the world being flat was popular for a while but then that didn't make the world flat.
Christianity is more popular than the Jehovah's witness cult, but that doesn't keep the JW's from joining the popular group.
You really should stop yourslf from thinking, you're really going to hurt yourself.
QUOTE(P JayS @ Feb 06, 2013, 05:14 PM) *
But God is not in union with the world.
Yeah, I get that you believe the creator of the world doesn't have any connection to.., or want anything to do with his creation. A nice thought. Like a parent that never wanted his/her children in the first place kind of love for his or her child, and a divinity who wants to take peace out of the experience of being human. What a delightful picture of a loving God. No wonder the Membership of the JW's has been dropping. Only those that are desparate for sharing their misery with each other would cling to such a cult.

Not my experience of God, but I can see the belief appeals to you.

Moron
P JayS
A doctor learns from an organization that produces doctors. You are associated with the teachers of the immortality of the soul.

I have studied enough to know that Jesus was dead for parts of 3 days after his death before he was returned to life again.

Your experience is rubbish. You cannot prove that you lived before. Who were your parents in your last life?

What was your name then? Where did you live. Who did you work for. What was your best friends name?

Who did you marry? What were your children's names? Where did you live?

Choose any life that you think you have ever had before Joesus in the 1800's and answer my questions.
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