Let's say.. if what they do is enhance the conceptual mental processes. While wisdom is neglected?
Can a nootropic deliver wisdom? imo only those that might be said to do that are the entheogens.
Then there is a case where a person already putting into daily practice development of concentration, tranquility, etc. takes some nootropic and it serves to assist the process the person is making with their own effort.
Without the correct individual effort, exogenous molecules only modulate a mind in 2-dimensions. It takes 3+ dimensions to really go somewhere.

Just a thought.

True nootropics are wonderful things. I say true based on stringent metabolic standards laid out by Skondia.

Nootropics are helpful in the same way that body building supplements are helpful. Eat a bunch of protein powder, creatine etc. and nothing happens. One still has to go to the gym and do the shitty part of the equation--working out. The mind is no different It needs its resistance to grow, nootropics can be there to help provide the materials necessary.

Just a thought.. not necessarily wisdom..

Altering states of mind provides an experience where one often believes they are accumulating steps toward higher states of consciousness...

Like going to a foreign country and believing you have absorbed the culture, language and history.. the idea is just a thought of fancy.

Just because you believe something is true, doesn't make it so....

What do you consider higher states of awareness? Altering states of mind provides experience OF different states of consciousness, bringing forth a different perspective that allows for greater choice and pushes at the confines of belief.

There is only belief…beliefs are states of mind or perspectives, molding potential into experience…if there are no beliefs then there is no active consciousness in which to experience potential.

We can believe there is an ultimate truth, we can believe there is no truth, we can believe that just because we believe in something doesn’t make it so. There is only belief.

IMO they are just an aid but not a source of wisdom by themselves. But then again, an empty vessel plays no tune or you can´t get blood from a stone.
I think they may potenciate skills you already have (whether you know it or not) because is where neuronal plasticity will be more noticeable, helping you to reach your biological ceiling. Adquiring new ones is and will be a hard job.
However it can be true that in certain points of life, during emotional and personality changes due to maduration or shocking experiences such aid could facilitate the progress.
Am I wiser than before? Humm not sure, I think I would answer NO. I can explain myself a tad better though, but then again, don´t we all as we grow older?

Altering the state of mind provides for experiences within the current state of consciousness and possibly stretches the current state of mind and or consciousness so that the mind can get a glimpse of reality where belief may not contain the experience in that moment, but the ego will take the experience and fit it into the current belief system. Imagining something which is not familiar does not create more than the experience of the thought of the unfamiliar. That in itself, does not always become what you think it is. In other words a rope does not become a snake, even tho you think it does and the thought creates the experience of a heart attack.

Beliefs do not define consciousness nor does consciousness need belief to define itself any more than a carpenter needs his tools to have a creative mind. Beliefs can provide a push toward something but it is not belief that manifests that something... It is consciousness which reveals the nature of belief as well as utilizes belief to reveal the belief as an experience. Consciousness does not have to believe in itself to exist nor to exercise the natural function of creativity.

There are relative beliefs where mind believes manifestation rules all there is. You, can then determine thru belief that you are... because you believe you are..., and accept that when you stop believing you are, then you are no more.

But that is not the case.

Entheogens do not produce higher states of awareness any more than wearing expensive clothes makes you a successful person. You can believe it if you wish but it will not make it so.

There are relative laws within the universe that are consciously created, which bind the ego to beliefs that are unconscious, but consciousness itself is not bound by the beliefs created thru the ego.

You can stretch your awareness, or imagination, but that does not make that which you stretch something different.

It is possible to reveal that which already exists beyond your current beliefs but you would have to step outside of your beliefs to free yourself of the limitation of those beliefs. It does not necessarily require that you create another belief but that you simply surrender your belief to that which already is and always will be... regardless of any belief.

“Super memory” pill–and possibly an Alzheimer’s cure–could be around the corner
By Eric Pfeiffer



(Damian Dovarganes/AP)
Scientists have isolated a gene in mice that works to give them "super memories" and reverses the course of several degenerative mental illnesses like Alzheimer's. And because of the similarity of mice and human brains, a powerful brain pill for humans may now not be far off.

The brains of both mice and humans release a gene known as PKR, which is triggered by the onset of Alzheimer's. But the newly discovered gene can apparently block PKR's release--a development that not only can reverse the course of degenerative brain diseases such as Alzheimer's, but induces a state of "super memory" in the mice it has been tested on.

"If we were to find an inhibitor, a molecule, a drug that will specifically block PKR, we should be able to do the same [in humans]," Maura Costa-Mattioli, who led the research study at Baylor University, told the Vancouver Sun. "And we did."

"We recognize that PKR plays a dual role, one in regulating simple everyday processes like the way neurons talk to each other [for] memory, but also has a stress response," added John Bell, a senior scientist at the Ottawa Hospital Research Institute who also contributed to the study.

More from the Sun:

A virus is one form of stress that triggers PKR, but Alzheimer's patients' brains also experience PKR-releasing stress, said Bell, whose cancer research led him to create PKR-deficient mice which he shared with Costa-Mattioli's lab. Researchers found that when PKR is genetically suppressed in mice, another immune molecule, called gamma interferon, increases communication between neurons, improving memory and making brain function more efficient, Costa-Mattioli said.

Reportedly, when PKR is blocked, the gamma interferon can work more or less spontaneously to improve brain functions--and can be activated via a simple PKR-inhibitor injection into a mouse's stomach rather than through more conventional and drawn-out gene therapy. The possible application for humans would lead to something like taking a "brain pill" to treat diseases like Alzheimer's, or simply to give the memory a significant boost:

When the researchers tested the PKR-deficient mice in a series of memory tests, those mice were able to pick up on patterns and remember them on the first try, while the other mice needed days to figure out how to solve the puzzle. The PKR-deficient mice consistently showed significantly better memory and learning abilities than their counterparts.

Of course, Costa-Mattioli said the goal is not to create a new society of super-memory powered people.

"Let's say we'd compare with Viagra. People use Viagra at whatever age, let's say 60, 65. But someone (who) is 40 goes to buy it, they can get it," he said. "But this is not our goal . . . Our goal would be to treat people who have a memory problem."

Maybe soon an official cure/very effective treatment will be available for your generation Joesus that isn't cost-prohibitive.

What were we talking about????

Haha!

It is too late for Rick though...I'm so mean

[quote]Altering the state of mind provides for experiences within the current state of consciousness and possibly stretches the current state of mind and or consciousness so that the mind can get a glimpse of reality where belief may not contain the experience in that moment, but the ego will take the experience and fit it into the current belief system. Imagining something which is not familiar does not create more than the experience of the thought of the unfamiliar. That in itself, does not always become what you think it is. In other words a rope does not become a snake, even tho you think it does and the thought creates the experience of a heart attack.[/quote]

A rope certainly can become a snake if one believes it to be, and in accordence to that belief one will react. What determines that a rope is a snake or a snake a rope? Reaction hints at the belief system in play. There is nothing but atoms in the play of form...and the experiences of the ego determines its reaction according to its beliefs regarding a form.


[quote]There are relative beliefs where mind believes manifestation rules all there is. You, can then determine thru belief that you are... because you believe you are..., and accept that when you stop believing you are, then you are no more.

But that is not the case.

Entheogens do not produce higher states of awareness any more than wearing expensive clothes makes you a successful person. You can believe it if you wish but it will not make it so.[/quote]

oh, but it does make it so for the one who truely believes it to be so...what we focus on grows...right?

[quote] There are relative laws within the universe that are consciously created, which bind the ego to beliefs that are unconscious, but consciousness itself is not bound by the beliefs created thru the ego.[/quote]

Not so...one enfolds upon the other, a choir of interaction.

[quote]You can stretch your awareness, or imagination, but that does not make that which you stretch something different.[/quote]

Really? how so?

It is possible to reveal that which already exists beyond your current beliefs but you would have to step outside of your beliefs to free yourself of the limitation of those beliefs. It does not necessarily require that you create another belief but that you simply surrender your belief to that which already is and always will be... regardless of any belief.
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To surrender is to move into a different BELIEF...a belief that you can step free of your limitations or even surrender. One must believe in order to move the mind into imagination, into creativity, into experience.

How did life/consciouness become if the Absolute remained SILENT? How can silence even be a thought, belief, or potential without the movement of MIND?

Belief is the expression of potential. Belief is all there is, and is not.

To get back on topic...The 'stack' will function according to ones belief...the key is; to find and understand the aspect of self that truely desires...thus truly believes. And that is a tricky wicket all within itself.

Beliefs do alter the perceptions of reality to push the experience in that direction regardless of whether it is true or not. The rope does not in fact become the snake but the mind accepts the idea and the body reacts to the mind. This would explain the tendency to accept fear based thoughts as real while the ego is deluded and the paranoia that exists in the current world order. This would be the antithesis of higher cognitive functioning in the objective and subjective experience of Higher states of consciousness.



No. If one does not focus on the reality but instead the dream, what grows is the dream. IF one knows higher states of consciousness then one has experienced higher states of consciousness. To say one knows what a cow is if one has never seen one does not make a cow if that person says something is a cow.

Consciousness is multidimensional and exists in the illusion of being bound but is not isolated or captured within the illusion. Consciousness exists everywhere and in everything. The mind which assumes the illusion cannot escape until it experiences something different or gives up the illusion for something greater than the illusion.

Really


Not really. Beliefs are constantly changing but that does not mean one has surrendered anything. True surrender is a conscious choice to recognize that which no longer serves ones self in the evolution of expanding awareness and to make a choice for something other. In the waking state of consciousness, ego moves from one belief into another unconsciously and without the awareness of change as it occurs on all levels. Which does not mean that one does not have an experience of change. It just means that most are only aware of it after one is well into the new before the old is recognized/acknowledged as the old.

One experience does not exist without the other, consciousness exists as the experience of both always, and as the ONE, the Alpha and the Omega, as above and below. One is often referred to as absolute the other as God.

Belief is an expression of potential and potential is not a belief. Ergo belief is not potential for belief limits potential. Consciousness is never bound by itself. It, in its unlimited potential can create the illusion of binding itself, but that is something entirely different in the experience. Potential is belief when it is imagined within the limits of definition. Outside of that, it is something else.
Jesus once said: "God does not create suffering. Humans create suffering and a God which is limited to the beliefs which play into the cause of suffering." Ego is a filter as well as a lens in which to experience truth or illusion. In the waking state it knows neither, but instead personality and relative belief.
The human mind is capable of creating/recognizing either.
One can stack all they want and believe they can fly, but when they have not mastered gravity and jump from a building with their belief, they will soar directly to the ground (unless there is one hell of an updraft).
Belief does not draw from that which is not experienced but instead projects from that which is already accepted within the containment of experiences, and filters reality according to personal realities. One can imagine a function and create the reflection of that function but growth truly occurs when the mind slips out of belief and allows for the unbounded to enter. When it comes to states of consciousness, this can happen in the dream state where the cognitive mind is without memory of such occurrences. Since the mind cannot hold onto an idea for very long, it is not belief which allows for higher cognitive functioning but rather the surrender of belief to that which is greater than belief. When it is unconscious change it is not surrender but the natural movement of the universe which resides within the atoms and molecules of the body as the consciousness within those atoms and molecules.

The mind can move with the natural flow of the universe, or thru belief alter the natural flow of things thru belief, but it can never stop it. The mind can impede the knowledge and awareness of reality thru belief but eventually when it creates death often enough thru the process of clinging to beliefs it eases its grip and learns to rise above beliefs and into the natural glory of the immortal Self.

The reality is that the mind is infinite, and has little to bind its abilities other than what it assumes are the qualities of limitation thru belief. The placebo/drug can help to lessen the grip on a belief to let what is natural take its course. It is more of a loosening of the grip on the belief in ones limited mind function rather than the chemical mix in the soup that makes the change permanent. Otherwise the soup mix is going to work as a distraction only and nothing permanent. One will attempt to maintain the distraction but if the impeding belief is not removed altogether it will find its way thru the mix and often the mix will have to be increased like any soup mix to try and maintain the idea and the experience.