Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Astral projection and spying on people?
BrainMeta.com Forum > Consciousness > General Consciousness Discussion
Homegamek
So is it real? How many people on Brain Meta practice that (if there is a such thing of course) ?

One can make an easy search over internet and find for example this:

QUOTE
Yes you can totally spy on someone. Back in the day when I was projecting several nights per week, a couple of other friends of mine who could also do it, and I, would meet at each other's houses in astral form. It was great fun. We could sense each other's presences.


QUOTE
Yeah, I meant, I was in astral form and they were physical in their beds (not projected yet). So I would come and sort of knock on them and then they would come out of their bodies and join me in an astral romp.

QUOTE

It's not ethical to spy on people without their permission. For me, it was just friends who wanted me to stop by. We played together astrally. I don't think I ever went to spy on anyone else.


QUOTE
One time, though, my friend who was very accomplished at projection set up a little trap for me because he knew I might be stopping by. As soon as I got to his room it was all dark and then there was this animal like thing with red glowing eyes growling at me. I got scared and returned to my body, hearing my friend chuckling at me as I left. He told me later he set up a "guard dog" to prevent me from coming into his room. He was successful! That keeps the spies out.


QUOTE
Many years later, I tried it again, (Astral Projection)and I would go to my boyfriend's house, and try to see what was going on. Also, I would have dreams that I was at people's homes, and I was looking down on them and watching what was going on in the house. They were talking, and unaware that I was watching, and I wondered if that was really what was going on. It seemed like the more I did it, the better I got at it.


QUOTE
Many have asked me this question "Can I spy on anyone I want?"

Well the answer is Yes but you'll face the consequenses!
Why do you have to interfere in others personal issues?
By consequences I mean you'll end up attracting negative energies to you.
Astral Projection must be used as tool for self development not for something else.
Rick
Is there a way to make money from the information obtained that way? Investment tips, for example.
Homegamek
QUOTE(Rick @ Jul 13, 2010, 08:56 PM) *

Is there a way to make money from the information obtained that way? Investment tips, for example.


Who knows, maybe the miraculous wealth and power some do posses was gained and preserved in that very way.

Btw, please consider this very controversial but quite interesting video with music remix. It may concern the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpr_QhY7h4
Rick
Most miraculous wealth and power comes from immoral behavior, e.g., taking something that doesn't belong to one. Consider banks and financial corporations, their board members, and CEOs.
Homegamek
QUOTE(Rick @ Jul 19, 2010, 09:13 PM) *

Most miraculous wealth and power comes from immoral behavior, e.g., taking something that doesn't belong to one. Consider banks and financial corporations, their board members, and CEOs.


Piracy is an old national tradition of some marine nations, in particularly of very certain nation. For centuries a specific culture and philosophy of piracy was developed, rendered, romanticized etc, and eventually there is a great probability that the immoral behavior you mention is just a derivative of that inherited philosophy and rooted cultural traditions.
Homegamek
Ideas of some witnesses, a Harry Potter like Girl:

Astral Projection Tutorial : h ttp :// www . youtube . com/watch?v=d9B3fwdHENs

Lucid Dreaming Tutorial : h ttp :// www . youtube . com/watch?v=S2qhAQ81c3U

Previously I could post URLs now I cannot WHY??? It is a game?
seekinshadows
A friend of mine and I attended a group meeting once where people were discussing astral projection. Most of them were seemingly very 'sure of themselves'. Because of this, she coined it "A**hole projection", lol.

J.A. Cheyne at the University of Waterloo has done some research in this area (out of body experiences) and (if I remember) correctly as suggested that such an experience is related to sleep paralysis/anomalous REM states. I wonder if individuals that can sit down and feel they are projecting their spirits are able to unknowingly control the same parts of the brain that become active during sleep paralysis/OBEs episodes during sleep allowing them to have the same experience while awake and at will.
Phi
yes.
Jakare
I have had those astral projection several times in my life and i can say they were very caotic experiences. I traveled not only on space but in time aswell. As a plus i used to awake in the middle of the night with paralysis and hipnagogic hallucinations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia
Fortunately those happenings slowly get more scarce as i get older but i am a very vivid dreamer still.
At the end i dont believe they are related to reality but just a mind fenomenon. About the spirits i used to see i dont think they exist at all.
It is very interesting that those bastards use to scare me when i was a child but i learned to fight using imagination´s power. Mind being defeated by mind.
Hey Hey
QUOTE(Jakare @ Sep 24, 2010, 04:20 AM) *
It is very interesting that those bastards use to scare me when i was a child but i learned to fight using imagination´s power.
See, they are real (http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22564&hl=).
Phi
QUOTE(Jakare @ Sep 23, 2010, 08:20 PM) *

About the spirits i used to see i dont think they exist at all.

Hey Hey
QUOTE(Phi @ Sep 24, 2010, 08:14 AM) *

QUOTE(Jakare @ Sep 23, 2010, 08:20 PM) *

About the spirits i used to see i dont think they exist at all.

That's what they want you to think.
Jakare
Well if they are real please tell them to stay away from me because i know how to kick their ass, i´ve done it before and they´re not wellcome.
Uh¡ and tell them im real too and i want them to want me not to believe on them...
Hey Hey
QUOTE(Jakare @ Sep 25, 2010, 02:35 AM) *

Well if they are real please tell them to stay away from me because i know how to kick their ass, i´ve done it before and they´re not wellcome.
Uh¡ and tell them im real too and i want them to want me not to believe on them...
See, they've gotten to you without you even realising it!
Jakare
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Sep 25, 2010, 03:43 PM) *

QUOTE(Jakare @ Sep 25, 2010, 02:35 AM) *

Well if they are real please tell them to stay away from me because i know how to kick their ass, i´ve done it before and they´re not wellcome.
Uh¡ and tell them im real too and i want them to want me not to believe on them...
See, they've gotten to you without you even realising it!

Well i hope they´ve used protection at least.
james_taylor537
[quote name='Homegamek' date='Jul 12, 2010, 06:30 PM' post='110069']
So is it real? How many people on Brain Meta practice that (if there is a such thing of course) ?

The body image and body sensations do not need to match the body location. These are learned.

We can see that with learning skills where the finer positions and movements connected with the image and sensations are refined. An example might be shooting a basketball, the stance, the placement of the hands, the pressure and movement all are learned.

The body image and sensation is constantly updated as we move (or don't move).
The body image can include tools such as a pen or the auto one is driving. That too is learned. Without the body image including the car being refined parallel parking isn't much fun.

Out of body experiences including the sense of other's presence are explained neurologically.

Of course if someone is able to verify bringing back a lollypop or some stock quotes I'm open to other explanations.

I have links for all the below but being new I am not able to post them. Google searches with the titles will bring up the links.

"Out-of-Body Hallucinations Linked to Brain Glitch | The Brain, Temporal Lobe & Hallucinations
The distortion in our sense of bodily self could be caused by either conflicting information coming in from the body, or from disruptions of communication in the temporal lobe, which processes this information into a body map, Braithwaite told LiveScience.
"Your sense of self, of where you are in space, is not automatic, your brain needs to work it out all the time," Braithwaite said. "It's constantly sampling that information and constantly making that interpretation of where you are in space, and sometimes that interpretation goes wrong." When this interpretation goes wrong, it could be the cause of an out-of-body experience."

People can be tricked into the false perception of owning another body.

Scientists now have manipulated people’s perceptions to make them think they have swapped bodies

To translate touch, the brain can quickly rearrange its sense of the body

'Virtual massage' can relieve amputees' phantom limb pain

How the Brain Recognizes Its Body
Sense of touch, vision and receptors in the muscles and joints help the brain keep track of the body. Research shows the brain develops a map of what belongs to it.

How to Disown a Body Part
Here's a trick to make a rubber hand come to life. Hide your right hand under a cloth and stick the rubber hand where your right hand should be. Now have someone stroke your right hand and the fake hand at the same time. Before you know it, you'll begin to "feel" sensation in the rubber hand. But what happens to your real right hand? New research suggests that your body begins to disown it.

Perceiving touch and your self outside of your body

Separating body and brain
Activity at the junction of two brain lobes tells the body where it is and which way it’s looking, a study finds. Researchers led by Olaf Blanke of the University Hospital in Geneva used video cameras and carefully timed touches to trick people who were in an fMRI scanner into thinking their bodies were floating above their actual locations

Out-of-Body Experience? Your Brain Is to Blame

How we come to know our bodies as our own
By taking advantage of a "body swap" illusion, researchers have captured the brain regions involved in one of the most fundamental aspects of self-awareness: how we recognize our bodies as our own, distinct from others and from the outside world. That self-perception is traced to specialized multisensory neurons in various parts of the brain that integrate different sensory inputs across all body parts into a unified view of the body.








Magister Hayk
QUOTE(james_taylor537 @ Nov 18, 2012, 11:29 AM) *


So is it real? How many people on Brain Meta practice that (if there is a such thing of course) ?


If you read some segments of Brainmeta carefully you may arrive to conclusion that some visitors of Brain Meta significantly influence world developments, but certainly it is absolutely not so, maybe.
LBF80
[quote name='james_taylor537' date='Nov 18, 2012, 05:29 AM' post='121809']
[quote name='Homegamek' date='Jul 12, 2010, 06:30 PM' post='110069']
So is it real? How many people on Brain Meta practice that (if there is a such thing of course) ?

The body image and body sensations do not need to match the body location. These are learned.

We can see that with learning skills where the finer positions and movements connected with the image and sensations are refined. An example might be shooting a basketball, the stance, the placement of the hands, the pressure and movement all are learned.

The body image and sensation is constantly updated as we move (or don't move).
The body image can include tools such as a pen or the auto one is driving. That too is learned. Without the body image including the car being refined parallel parking isn't much fun.

Out of body experiences including the sense of other's presence are explained neurologically.

Of course if someone is able to verify bringing back a lollypop or some stock quotes I'm open to other explanations.

I have links for all the below but being new I am not able to post them. Google searches with the titles will bring up the links.

"Out-of-Body Hallucinations Linked to Brain Glitch | The Brain, Temporal Lobe & Hallucinations
The distortion in our sense of bodily self could be caused by either conflicting information coming in from the body, or from disruptions of communication in the temporal lobe, which processes this information into a body map, Braithwaite told LiveScience.
"Your sense of self, of where you are in space, is not automatic, your brain needs to work it out all the time," Braithwaite said. "It's constantly sampling that information and constantly making that interpretation of where you are in space, and sometimes that interpretation goes wrong." When this interpretation goes wrong, it could be the cause of an out-of-body experience."

People can be tricked into the false perception of owning another body.

Scientists now have manipulated people’s perceptions to make them think they have swapped bodies

To translate touch, the brain can quickly rearrange its sense of the body

'Virtual massage' can relieve amputees' phantom limb pain

How the Brain Recognizes Its Body
Sense of touch, vision and receptors in the muscles and joints help the brain keep track of the body. Research shows the brain develops a map of what belongs to it.

How to Disown a Body Part
Here's a trick to make a rubber hand come to life. Hide your right hand under a cloth and stick the rubber hand where your right hand should be. Now have someone stroke your right hand and the fake hand at the same time. Before you know it, you'll begin to "feel" sensation in the rubber hand. But what happens to your real right hand? New research suggests that your body begins to disown it.

Perceiving touch and your self outside of your body

Separating body and brain
Activity at the junction of two brain lobes tells the body where it is and which way it’s looking, a study finds. Researchers led by Olaf Blanke of the University Hospital in Geneva used video cameras and carefully timed touches to trick people who were in an fMRI scanner into thinking their bodies were floating above their actual locations

Out-of-Body Experience? Your Brain Is to Blame

How we come to know our bodies as our own
By taking advantage of a "body swap" illusion, researchers have captured the brain regions involved in one of the most fundamental aspects of self-awareness: how we recognize our bodies as our own, distinct from others and from the outside world. That self-perception is traced to specialized multisensory neurons in various parts of the brain that integrate different sensory inputs across all body parts into a unified view of the body.
[/quote]


I agree with you at some level. We often use the analogy of the brain being the CPU of our body, therefore having mechanisms that links conscious to body movements and so on. No doubt triggering those mechanisms effects on body awareness but it does not apply the impossibility consciouness ejection. I can't say I belive 100% in astral projection, but so far to my understanding, those arguments does not prove it to be a mind ilusion as well.







Phi
I dun even get my humor from years ago
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.


Home     |     About     |    Research     |    Forum     |    Feedback  


Copyright © BrainMeta. All rights reserved.
Terms of Use  |  Last Modified Tue Jan 17 2006 12:39 am