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Joesus
And.....
Rick
Yes, gods, demons, hobgoblins, superstions of all kinds, will have a great future as long as humans remain sub-superhuman.
Trip like I do
QUOTE(Rick @ Mar 24, 2010, 01:42 PM) *

Yes, gods, demons, hobgoblins, superstions of all kinds, will have a great future as long as humans remain sub-superhuman.

rick.... are you a man who stares at goats?
Trip like I do
both arguments hold validity.... but I tend to lean more towards deepak on this one!
Rick
Theology, one more science without a subject.
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Rick, what's your definition of the spiritual in humans? Just another yet unknown chemical combination in the brain? Just curious!!
lambyjones
THE REAL QUESTION:

DOES ATHEISM HAVE A FUTURE?

And the answer - NO!



Atheists

GET OUT OF MY UNIVERSE…

you little liars do nothing but antagonize…

and you try to eliminate all the dreams and hopes of humanity…

but you LOST…

THE DEATH OF ATH*ISM - SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD


http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?t=280780

Einstein puts the final nail in the coffin of atheism…

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7vpw4AH8QQ

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atheists deny their own life element…

LIGHT OR DEATH, ATHEISTS?

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***************************LIGHT*********
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Rick
Ok, but which god? Zeus? Mazda? Rama? I kind of like the Hawaiian god Kane, god of life.
Rick
QUOTE(code buttons @ Mar 24, 2010, 06:39 PM) *

Rick, what's your definition of the spiritual in humans? Just another yet unknown chemical combination in the brain? Just curious!!

Reverence for life and being grateful for being alive. Not enough for you? Then wish you were immortal. How ungrateful is that? "Yes, God, thanks for the gift of life, but I demand more!"

To me this life is enough. I don't require an immortality that is not mine to demand. I will take what I am given with gratitude. How really small and selfish the religionists are! Worshiping an imaginary deity in the hopes of receiving some more scraps from the table!
Phi
enkisms
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QUOTE(Phi @ Apr 09, 2010, 03:46 AM) *

enkisms

Wolf dressed in sheep's clothing... Will he ever learn?!...
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QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 08, 2010, 11:21 AM) *

QUOTE(code buttons @ Mar 24, 2010, 06:39 PM) *

Rick, what's your definition of the spiritual in humans? Just another yet unknown chemical combination in the brain? Just curious!!

Reverence for life and being grateful for being alive. Not enough for you? Then wish you were immortal. How ungrateful is that? "Yes, God, thanks for the gift of life, but I demand more!"

To me this life is enough. I don't require an immortality that is not mine to demand. I will take what I am given with gratitude. How really small and selfish the religionists are! Worshiping an imaginary deity in the hopes of receiving some more scraps from the table!

What's wrong with asking 'why'? And not settleting for teaser answers...
Rick
Lamby is not Enki. Completely different style and viewpoint.

Nothing wrong in asking why. Was my answer not complete? Spiritual = reverence and gratitude.
Hey Hey
QUOTE(Rick @ Mar 24, 2010, 10:36 PM) *

Theology, one more science without a subject.
Surely you mean a subject without science?
Rick
An "ology" is by definition science, but there's no subject (theo) there. No god exists, hence a science without a subject.

But on the subject of gods, i.e., imaginary objects, there could be a science. An investigation of unfounded beliefs.
Hey Hey
QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 09, 2010, 11:28 PM) *

An "ology" is by definition science, but there's no subject (theo) there. No god exists, hence a science without a subject.
I do know the definitions Rick, after all I have three science degrees and taught science in universities for 20 years! My comment was meant to be unsubtley sarcastic. Maybe I will need to be more subtle in future. But on the gist of the term, I think that we are in agreement.
Rick
Somebody will always find a way to misunderstand.
Hey Hey
equable
I had a letter directed to Mr. Rick in this thread, now it is erased.

STATEMENT MODERATED by HeyHey
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QUOTE(equable @ Apr 14, 2010, 07:03 PM) *

I had a letter directed to Mr. Rick in this thread, now it is erased.

I would like to know which b*tch from the moderators erased it.

Presumably I guess who is that very b*tch: the b*tch from England.

I did it on the presumption that you were the latest personification of an unwelcomed guest 'from far away land' (hint) here in this forum. If you are, please stay away. If you are not, my apologies. It won't happen again.
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Trip like I do
QUOTE(equable @ Apr 14, 2010, 11:03 PM) *

I had a letter directed to Mr. Rick in this thread, now it is erased.

STATEMENT MODERATED by HeyHey

man.... this dude really has a hard on for this forum!
Jakare
QUOTE(lambyjones @ Apr 08, 2010, 08:26 PM) *

THE REAL QUESTION:

DOES ATHEISM HAVE A FUTURE?

And the answer - NO!



Atheism is the new religion and the new gods are the Mankind and technology. Being those able to provide humanity of everything that god promise and didnt really bother to give us, why should we wait for him with enough technology around to suply us with what human ever wish?
Why should god give us something we are already able to develope by ourselves?

Im not really saying god doesnt exist (doubt is not true knowledge) but we will manage better without him than just depending on him to solve our problems and being a crying demanding childs. Its time to grow up and fly from gods home.
equable
QUOTE(Hey%20Hey @ Apr 11, 2010, 05:14 AM) *
godiscomingcancelled. jpg


It looks like that the Global Consciousness reacted at your joke, who knows maybe GC reads Brain Meta sometimes (see below):

Just read this:

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US carriers CANCELS Europe flights due to ash

ATLANTA, April 15 (Reuters) - US airlines canceled half their trans-Atlantic service on Thursday because of a gigantic ash cloud spewing from a volcano in Iceland that has closed airports in northern Europe, industry officials said.


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From Times Online
April 18, 2010
Volcanic ash grounds Britain for days to come

Britain faces being grounded for the coming week as the cloud of volcanic ash hovering over the country threatens to stay put until Friday.

The Met Office warned that northerly winds are pushing it south from Iceland rather than sending it eastwards towards Scandinavia, amid fears that the travel crisis could drag on indefinitely.

All flights to and from Britain have been cancelled until at least 7pm tonight today but this deadline may be pushed back again. BA and Ryanair said their earliest flights would be tomorrow, although test flights by the Dutch and Swiss appeared to be successful.


%50 of European flights cancellation is something serious indeed. And so near to England...

Who knows maybe the holy tree Ey[h]wa of the nation Navi (on Hebrew it means teacher) so much respected by Ms. TsAHIK (the birthday of actress playing in the film is 25 December) from AavaTar movie has specific sense of humor or is very angry onto something?

Ash and ice_land, what does it mean? Maybe in this way things look more clear: AsH and ice_Land? A crypt of God or a code of something?! What that may mean???

Btw, the Mount's name is Eyjafjallajokull (ay-yah-FYAH'-plah-yer-kuh-duhl)..., so all the mentioned definitely heralds something, but it is so hard to guess what exactly all these heralds.

It is so hard for me to disclose that complex puzzle to understand why that electro-conductive Smaug (I mean Smoke) extended its Draconian claws over the Europe?

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To Code: I do really hope that you shall restore the deleted letter I wrote to Mr. Rick.

Btw Code have you watched the movie I mentioned in the post you deleted, I mean: "Percy Jackson & the Olympians: The Lightning Thief (2010)" ??? The personages in that movie also like to play with letters just like the ...
Jakare
I have great respect for Hey Hey but i dont think he is so important to upset the socalled GC which is above of those comments if it has half the consciousness it is supose to have. Its more like he did upset you.
equable
QUOTE(Jakare @ Apr 19, 2010, 11:28 AM) *

I have great respect for Hey Hey but i dont think he is so important to upset the socalled GC which is above of those comments if it has half the consciousness it is supose to have. Its more like he did upset you.


You probably did not understand yet what the Brain Meta forum in true is. And who in true post here...
equable
Eventually, to understanding of things like that arrive you should. smile.gif
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QUOTE(equable @ Apr 19, 2010, 03:23 AM) *

Eventually, to understanding of things like that arrive you should. smile.gif

Why don't you just leave us alone, Enki! You are totally shameless, dude!
equable
QUOTE(code buttons @ Apr 20, 2010, 12:09 AM) *

QUOTE(equable @ Apr 19, 2010, 03:23 AM) *

Eventually, to understanding of things like that arrive you should. smile.gif

Why don't you just leave us alone, Enki! You are totally shameless, dude!


I am not Enki, I just read here some of his writings and got very surprised that he been blocked.

Ok, its your forum and your free will.

Goodbye.
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QUOTE(equable @ Apr 19, 2010, 12:18 PM) *

QUOTE(code buttons @ Apr 20, 2010, 12:09 AM) *

QUOTE(equable @ Apr 19, 2010, 03:23 AM) *

Eventually, to understanding of things like that arrive you should. smile.gif

Why don't you just leave us alone, Enki! You are totally shameless, dude!


I am not Enki, I just read here some of his writings and got very surprised that he been blocked.

Ok, its your forum and your free will.

Goodbye.

It's the ppl's forum! Not mine! You just read a whole lot like Enki, dude! Sorry about that! Why would you leave if you're not Enki! Didn't you read my previous post?
Rick
QUOTE(equable @ Apr 14, 2010, 08:03 PM) *

I had a letter directed to Mr. Rick in this thread, now it is erased.

STATEMENT MODERATED by HeyHey

Actually, it's Dr. Wagner, but you can call me Rick.
Rick
QUOTE(equable @ Apr 19, 2010, 01:18 PM) *

QUOTE(code buttons @ Apr 20, 2010, 12:09 AM) *

QUOTE(equable @ Apr 19, 2010, 03:23 AM) *

Eventually, to understanding of things like that arrive you should. smile.gif

Why don't you just leave us alone, Enki! You are totally shameless, dude!


I am not Enki, I just read here some of his writings and got very surprised that he been blocked.

Ok, its your forum and your free will.

Goodbye.

I told you he wasn't Enki.
Trip like I do
QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 20, 2010, 04:11 PM) *

QUOTE(equable @ Apr 19, 2010, 01:18 PM) *

QUOTE(code buttons @ Apr 20, 2010, 12:09 AM) *

QUOTE(equable @ Apr 19, 2010, 03:23 AM) *

Eventually, to understanding of things like that arrive you should. smile.gif

Why don't you just leave us alone, Enki! You are totally shameless, dude!


I am not Enki, I just read here some of his writings and got very surprised that he been blocked.

Ok, its your forum and your free will.

Goodbye.

I told you he wasn't Enki.

.... who really cares!!! I just completely ignore anything that bears any resemblance!
GodConsciousness
Richard Dawkins put together a series exploring a similar theme that is quite good called "the enemies of reason."

The series is on youtube. First segment here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
Rick
No wonder Ronald Reagan closed all the lunatic asylums in California when he was Governor. I thought it was just Repug stinginess, their urge to "save" money. It actually costs society more on the long run to have them all out on the streets and homeless. It's as if he knew what was coming! We used to commit the irrational. Now we give them million dollar jobs on Faux News!
equable
QUOTE(code%20buttons @ Apr 20, 2010, 11:00 PM) *

QUOTE(equable @ Apr 19, 2010, 12:18 PM) *

QUOTE(code%20buttons @ Apr 20, 2010, 12:09 AM) *

QUOTE(equable @ Apr 19, 2010, 03:23 AM) *

Eventually, to understanding of things like that arrive you should. smile.gif

Why don't you just leave us alone, Enki! You are totally shameless, dude!


I am not Enki, I just read here some of his writings and got very surprised that he been blocked.

Ok, its your forum and your free will.

Goodbye.

It's the ppl's forum! Not mine! You just read a whole lot like Enki, dude! Sorry about that! Why would you leave if you're not Enki! Didn't you read my previous post?


Rumors says that we all are made in image of the same standard, so there should be some similarity among all the people, esp all wise people, is not it?
equable
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QUOTE(equable @ Apr 14, 2010, 08:03 PM) *

I had a letter directed to Mr. Rick in this thread, now it is erased.

STATEMENT MODERATED by HeyHey

Actually, it's Dr. Wagner, but you can call me Rick.


My experience shows that the name of mine does not cost a penny in this world, so you can call me 'equable'.
Hey Hey
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Apr 20, 2010, 11:36 PM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 20, 2010, 04:11 PM) *

QUOTE(equable @ Apr 19, 2010, 01:18 PM) *

QUOTE(code buttons @ Apr 20, 2010, 12:09 AM) *

QUOTE(equable @ Apr 19, 2010, 03:23 AM) *

Eventually, to understanding of things like that arrive you should. smile.gif

Why don't you just leave us alone, Enki! You are totally shameless, dude!


I am not Enki, I just read here some of his writings and got very surprised that he been blocked.

Ok, its your forum and your free will.

Goodbye.

I told you he wasn't Enki.

.... who really cares!!! I just completely ignore anything that bears any resemblance!
And I'm in a deleting mood. We can do without this crap rising up from the sewers again!
joshep.sheena03
No there is no future,present and past for God at all.Because this rules only be followed by only living things.God is a creator of future of all living things
Hey Hey
QUOTE(joshep.sheena03 @ May 05, 2010, 06:56 AM) *

No there is no future,present and past for God at all.Because this rules only be followed by only living things.God is a creator of future of all living things
A load of old cobblers!
Rick
Where religions come to die:

www youtube com:
/watch?v=0Rqw4krMOug

Bug: claims I don't have enough posts to post URLs.
Lindsay
QUOTE(code buttons @ Mar 24, 2010, 11:19 AM) *
Does God Have A Future?

In my opinion, gods that have things, including pasts presents and futures, wills--properties and/or characteristics of anykind--are nothing more than illusions. They are idols created by the human imagination.

GOD--the One in which that which IS, like the cosmos and those billions of galaxies, do exist, however, as defined in http://www.redefinegod.com --is something else. When I speak of that which is in and through things, including our bodies, I use the acronym G0D. Sometimes, I will use the word, G0d, or g0d.
Lindsay
Rick tells us that spirituality is
QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 08, 2010, 02:21 PM) *

... Reverence for life and being grateful for being alive. ...
A good comment. But the rest does not show all that much reverence, or respect, for people who live sincerely and who believe, admittedly without physical, that life is intrinsically eternal. How we live it is our choice. I find it is possible to disagree with the beliefs of others, respectfully? Rick likes to put it this way
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Not enough for you? ... How ungrateful is that?

Yes, God, thanks for the gift of life, but I demand more!

To me this life is enough.

I don't require an immortality that is not mine to demand. I will take what I am given with gratitude.

How really small and selfish the religionists are! Worshiping an imaginary deity in the hopes of receiving some more scraps from the table!
Do we have to resort to rhetoric and sarcasm? Where is the evidence that this is the only life we have ever had?
Rick
Better to believe nothing than to believe in something not true.
GodConsciousness
There is no doubt in my mind that there are some serious problems with many of the religions out there today and the plethora of new age spiritualities are getting a bit out there for my tastes. And I tend to agree with Dawkins and others that mainstream religions have been instrumental in creating societal delusions that have not always been helpful.

And yet... to think that the universe is 93 billion light years across and expanding faster than the speed of light is just simply mind blowing! Perhaps its not an intelligence we can quite put our finger on and perhaps all of the religions have been flat out wrong in their interpretations of God. But to look up into the universe and draw a blank in terms of some grander intelligence seems as irrational as the contrary.
Lindsay
QUOTE(GodConsciousness @ May 07, 2010, 10:33 PM) *

... And yet... to think that the universe is 93 billion light years across and expanding faster than the speed of light is just simply mind blowing! ...
GC, I agree. It prompts me to ask: What do we, including atheists, call that infinity and eternity into which the universe is expanding? Do we call it nothing? Or Nothing? What evidence is there that life and consciousness, collectively and individually, ends in nothingness?

I suspect that only people who are totally evil--psycho and sociopaths, with no sense of justice and fair play--hope this is true. Yes, I suppose there are many who believe: "Only fools believe that eventually there will be justice and fair play for all. Therefore, it is best to live high and get it all, now--even at the expense of others, especially those who refuse to serve us." I wonder: Do they also believe that the goal of life is, live fast, avoid all pain, die young, and have a good-looking corpse? Not very rational, it seems to me.

I like to think that motivated by love--simple good will--all things are evolving to that which true, beautiful and good. Call it what you will, but may I claim the freedom to live on the basis that there is no end to love, life and consciousness; there is only evolution of life? And may I call it GOD? If this is an illusion, no one, including the New Atheists, will ever know. Thank GOD! smile.gif

In Latin there are two basic words for faith: FIDUCIA--faith involving active trust, not just FIDES--simply believing without action. Believing there is a God--evil people and hypocrites can do this and create god in their own image--is not the same as living ones life, day by day, in GOD and being G0d-filled, aware, conscious and loving.
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In my opinion, having an active faith in that which could be, and for me is, rational, good and true are the very nutrients on which the process of evolution feeds and could eventually help us fill the universe with consciousness--GOD? This kind of fiduciary faith is one that is love and action-based, I think of it as the basic food on which we grow evolve our future and spiritual bodies. Of course we need to avoid false beliefs, but believing in and feeding on nothing at all, for me, makes no sense at all. It is a false belief! Even if we lived for an average of 100 years--not impossible, with today's science--compared to eternity, it would simply make for a very bleak and short future. Not very appealing at all!

Does Reason Know What It Is Missing?
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Check out the philosopher and sociologist, Jurgen Habermas, who now, in his 80's, sees the falue of sound and healthy religion:
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/...?pagemode=print
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