“That there is no truth is difficult for most to accept. It doesn’t come naturally to discard beliefs, but I think that is the start of knowledge - while we have beliefs, we force knowledge to become true or false and so destroy its infinite nature.”–Unknown.

Skeptical Idealism 2.0 (The Video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw-IATxGmis

Skeptical Idealism 2.0

The truth is, we can never know what The Truth is!

If we begin with No-Thingness, then No-Thingness is all we can ever have.
The Empty or Null Set is completely satisfied and beyond entropy or evolution.
It is an impossibility for No-thingness to evolve into Thingness.

We cannot get Something from Nothing!

Since this is the case, where does all this Thingness come from?

It doesn’t.
There is no Thingness, there is only the Illusion of Thingness.

We start with Quantum Idealism; the idealist concepts of the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics which maintains everything is an illusion and there is no-thing physical at all.

Which is different than the Realist/Materialist interpretation of quantum mechanics followed by Super String Theorist still looking for a fundamental vibration to explain the Universe.

The problem with Super String theory is they still need to answer the hard question of where did all those vibrations come from? What started Nothingness to vibrate?

The “New Age” interpretation of the Copenhagen Interpretation maintains the essence of all Reality is pure Consciousness.
Consciousness is the “Emptiness at the heart of all matter”!

If we then follow that concept to it’s logical conclusion we end up with Skeptical Idealism.

Skeptical Idealism is pure Idealism with a good dose of Skepticism thrown in.

The quantum universe is just as much an illusion as everything else. It is just another choice of something to believe in; something we use to create the illusion that we can know anything at all.
Skeptical Idealism maintains no one can ever really know anything at all beyond their own internal manifestations. No one can ever know with any certainty what they themselves perceive has any independent existence, or any truth, beyond their own perceptions.

We believe what we perceive, but we only perceive what we believe!

All we can ever really know are the illusion we create in our own minds.
And since pure Consciousness is infinite and has no boundaries, our choice of illusions are infinite and have no boundaries.
For every mind there is a different illusion. Some are very very close, but no two are exactly the same.

There really are no answers at all, there are only choices.


Everyone of us exists in our own illusions of what we believe Reality is, but since Consciousness is infinite and unbound, so are the illusions.

For every mind there is a different illusion of Reality.

And since all is illusion, every illusion is just as true and just as good as any other illusion.
It may not be to you, but it is to someone.

"In the province of the mind, what the mind believes to be true,
either is true or becomes true within certain limits to be found
experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to
be transcended. In the mind there are no limits." - John Lilly


Once we can truly comprehend that The Singularity of Consciousness is not
only Infinite but also Unbound then there are no limits.
All is Infinite and Unbound!

And since all is infinite and unbound there really are no answers; only
choices!

Truth is whatever we each choose to believe it is.
It is our egos that prevents us from admitting that the truth we ourselves
perceive is only our truth and not just one of infinite truths that may not be
true to anyone else.


Since I really believe that is true, than I must admit to myself, that my belief in Skeptical Idealism is also just another illusion also.
Since all is illusion we can not pick and choose and say what someone else believes in is an illusion, but what I believe in is not. All is Illusion, even what I myself believe!

If that sounds like insanity to you, I fully agree. It is insanity, which goes a long way in explaining just about everything we need to know about the mind, life, the Universe and everything.

From the perspective of Skeptical Idealism we are all insane!

No one ever promised Reality must be sane, to assume so, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, is madness.

“When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”
Samuel Langhorne Clemens


c.c.keiser

“I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!” – Elmer Fudd

http://www.poly-solipsism.com

I don't know how you really take insanity, but I tend to think that the only thing that matters will be your interpretation of reality...so how that views to an outside source really doesn't matter. I personally would not like to think of myself as insane...doesn't seem productive really

Hi Phi

Yeah, it’s a little bit of humor just to keep it interesting, but it’s also true. About 10 years back while contemplating Nothingness, I experienced what I believe is called “an altered state of consciousness” and became the Observer observing myself observe.
In order to see your own Observer observing you have to step out of your own mind. If you are out of your mind, you’re Insane!
But since I not only can see myself observing, but I can see everyone else observing in the same way, it becomes pretty obvious we are all insane.

Ask yourself the same questions, why is what you believe any more true than what someone else believes?
Have you ever met anyone else who believed exactly the same as you do?


chuck

People call No-thingness nothingness, but that is inaccurate. Just because it is beyond being something contained, it doesn't make it nothing.

Altered states are entertaining but hardly a constant. The No thingness is a constant and because it is a constant it is not a nothing.

Altered states expand beliefs in thought beyond static beliefs but then beliefs of the No-thingness become beliefs in nothingness as static. When states of consciousness are not stabilized in the permanence of No-thingness they become transient and mortal.

Insanity is a word people use to measure themselves against.

And...Choice does not come from nothingness. How are you so sure you have a choice if there is Nothing?

Hi Joesus! :^)

Ok, lets see if this helps?

First I do not believe in absolute Nothingness, I am an Idealist and do not believe in Thingness, just ideals of thingness. For there to be Ideals there must be Consciousness.
Consciousness, by its essence, must be infinite and unbound. What is infinite and unbound cannot exist as an “is” but only as potential. Since it is only potential where does our perceptions of Reality come from if not by the choices of illusions we each make to believe in?
Do we not have a choice to believe in something, and then to not believe in that thing?
I was raised a Christian and once believe in a God of Biblical proportions. In my late teens I fell in love with science and then made a choice to change my beliefs and became one very pissed off Atheist who worshiped in the Church of The Standard Model. I have since made another choice and firmly believe in Idealism and the Singularity of Consciousness. It is in really comprehending the infinite and unbound nature of The Singularity that leaves me with no doubt that every mind has a choice in creating its own perceptions of Reality. Every mind is a degree of freedom (dimension) of the infinite and unbound degrees of freedom of the Singularity of Consciousness.
We are the Singularity of Consciousness!

do no harm
http://donoharm.us

chuck

If it is infinite and unbound it can be anything..to say it can't would make it less than infinite and bound by some determination

If all there is, is potential our perceptions can not be, and there are no choices other than in illusion of self identification within potential. A self with a choice within potential.

Not if there is only potential.

But if there is only potential, all of that was illusion...

That would be relative truth of the ego.

There is only one. No we.

Next time I'm hungry or in pain, I'll just tell myself it's only an illusion.

Why would you do that?

Because in the essay above, it's asserted that all is an illusion, so the good news is that pain and suffering aren't real! I don't have to work so hard to avoid them.

Is there nothing-ness? The chase of both illusion and reality have their place as a whole on all of life. Half our civilization reaches for the cosmic conscious answer and the other half reaches for the
definitive knowledge of what is gathered to be science. Both are on the same journey. "I think there for I am" really is the metaphor for knowing the infinite and the finite within the paradox of mortality vs immortality.




This is the paradox that meets both into one, quantum physics is only the stepping stone to the math we will discover from it. The denser the frequency(vibration) the denser the matter. To reserve our consciousness-rhythm to our manifested bodies is the link to understanding both. I agree, it is a choice. and it is all perspective and every perspective is a reality and Every reality is an evolution.

Illusion is nothingness as it has no consequence or cause, there are no real effects, Our bodies are real, they hold cause and consequence, they can embrace longevity and disease, perhaps immortality.
Perspectives hold the opportunity of choice and with conscious directed thought can manifest to the real. The closest we come to illusion is believing that the manifest is the origin and the origin is the goal and the goal is a stagnate resolve.
We are always in a state of creation.



And what about what we learn? To put knowledge in the category of perception and belief devoids the very sense of life that we all have.

Thank you Joesus, we can work with this to begin the exchange of perspectives and meanings.


If you will, there is only one what?

Learning is a change of perceptions. Knowledge is the accumulation of information. The more information we accumulate the more our perceptions change. The more our perceptions change the richer our reality and our own sense of life. With information comes awareness.
But we cannot assume what we feel is felt the same by everyone.
There are infinite degree in everything.

You're being sarcastic, rather than addressing the essence of what is behind the real meaning of illusion as it is described in scripture or eastern philosophy. I can understand the reaction to such a blanket statement of reality. It happens to the best of us when someone pushes a button in us with their exuberant revelation that there is more to life than what they previously were programmed with by the immutable authority of Parental influence and peer hypnosis..

One absolute whateveryouwannacallit. The words of the enlightened that become scripture are the experiences of the One absolute which is called God, the absolute, Consciousness, the Transcendent, the Father as it was referred to by Christ Jesus or the un-manifest progenitor to the manifest.

The Cross is representative of the un-manifest One, the Father, and the manifest or reflection of the un-manifest is also called the Mother, or creation, the reflection of the birth and evolution of potential into reflection of its potency. The vertical staff represents the absolute unwavering Male principle, always stable never changing. The horizontal line crossing at the bindhu point where the unmanifest meets the manifest is the feminine going out in both directions (negative and positive in duality) as the creative or reflective principle that acknowledges and expresses the absolute.
You can't have one without the other. The Father or un-manifest can't be recognized or cognized without some form of reflection as the manifest of the absolute recognizing itself. And you can't have the manifest without some stable point of reference as the origin of that manifestation.

String Theory is getting closer to describing what Theosophists or true spiritualists have been describing for lifetimes as a universal principle governing order or initiating order. It being a guiding or influencing principle on the evolution and expansion of the Universe. Since the cognitive awareness of the Human psyche is capable of tuning itself to this principle it can recognize itself as being a reflection of that principle giving or bringing all reflection back to the One source of everything. Source is source regardless of how many different angles or characteristics you want to paint onto the reflections of it. It is, One, as all there is... or isn't, depending on what kind of game you insist on playing.
The Hindu's philosophical description of illusion is only given to any idea being permanent rather than transient.
Take Rick for example. Tell him he doesn't experience anything or have the ability to discern what is real or illusion by looking and feeling around himself and he get's irritated.
Obviously making blanket statements to reality to flex your intellectual dip into spirituality and altered states of experience may impress the ego but it doesn't expand consciousness permanently, nor does it make friends.
There are thousands of vedic Texts which go into great detail regarding that which cannot be contained or defined in any words just so one can get a feel for reality, and there are those who spend lifetimes mastering the awareness of the absolute so they can understand the scriptures of the enlightened. It is from the experience of being the One that the words flow in perfect surrender to the intellect that is ready to receive it. This was the kind of thing describe of the Sermon on the Mount....To the rest it becomes an incomprehensible trail of nonsense.
There was a reason Christ Jesus explained to his disciples that he spoke in parables. He explained that every level of awareness had its own capability to absorb and comprehend Truth absolute and then it was always twisted into truth of relative measure and experience by the ego self absorbed in the reflection of its own ideas.

People love to come and preach the gospel and its pretty easy to tell who talks the talk and who walks the talk. Consciousness recognizes consciousness.


You can spend thousand of lifetimes accumulating knowledge based on relative ideals and the self measure of egoic illusion, distracting the awareness from its source and from the awareness of awareness itself. Generally speaking not all knowledge expands conscious awareness.

That only pertains to one who is not united with everything as the One principle. If there is only One then there is no reflection that cannot be united and experienced as the other. The illusions of separation keep knowledge individual to personality, and personality in pride and self preservation is what snuffs out the manifestation of the soul, only to have it come about in another reflection to try and find its immortal self in the reflection of the absolute one by desire to expand beyond mortality.

(?)

Hmm?
Certainly does ! All knowledge expands consciousness, no matter it’s relevance or semantic. Especially if we are considering the Absolute.

I understand that in the mundane, perhaps one who learns painting may not expand their consciousness to a revelational point of awareness, but on the whole it is still a knowledge working within the main structure of wisdom by being another example (tool) in Creation or “advancement”

If Consciousness is unbounded or absolute, consciousness itself cannot be more expanded than its being absolute.
Expanding the awareness of the absolute by decidedly giving attention to knowledge that is material based is like nailing one foot to the floor and proceeding in a forward direction. The movement is seemingly real the gaining of ground illusion. Self realization is like waking up. Being asleep or awake does not change reality only the perceptions of it.
Being asleep does not alter reality. Being awake for longer periods of time doesn't make it more real. Awareness can be directed to what is Truth or to what is relative in temporary manifestations of belief and perceptions, If you focus on illusion for thousands of lifetimes it doesn't become something other than an illusion.

Fighting for limitations does not make one richer.

but that's the question of it, isn't it. IF .This is where I can not agree, or at least understand what you believe. this "absolute" fails to enlighten the reason why we are here.. I believe we "grow" to the absolute but it is a journey, and the journey just becomes advanced to another. There is no stagnation. I may be taking the word to it's core and am willing to see it as that which is ever in the creative process in a cycle of what we know as duality. If "as above so below" is true than reading our earthly life as it grows and evolves gives us a blueprint to our soul progression.




And even so, just because someone is "awake" does not mean they have progressed to a place/state of the absolute (mastership) There is much learning to accomplish, such as discipline in the nature of self.
Perhaps it should be asked What is the Absolute? It is clear we are not "there" as we are here, and by the very means that we are here(delusional) we most certainly are not there. If the absolute is our origin then how are we here now? Absolute does not reason to work backwards.

Fighting for limitations does not make one richer.

One does not fight limitations - one overcomes. Limitations are the tools to the absolute.

Greetings Joesus.

You realize of course you are just confirming the statements in Skeptical Idealism 2.0?

If you will? There is only one what?
Do you exist?
What do you exist as?
Where?
Do you refer to yourself as “I”?
Why do you call yourself “I”?

The reason is subjective when it is encapsulated in a belief. Beliefs change, and so your reason changes.

And if you become advanced in your knowledge and awareness will you still believe this?
Yes the I want to know why and how idea before I actually get to the absolute. It is not the approach that those who have found their Union prescribe. It is alot like the Show me God and then I will believe idea. It will amaze you when you decide you don't need to know and find you already do, but it doesn't fit into the ideas you thought they should meet.
Which is why relative knowledge of the Self without the experience of the Self remains at the level of relative projections and reflections of the ego.
One would have to have a clear experience of the Self to gain knowledge of it. Otherwise reading about it and hearing about it rattles loosely about within the confines of belief and idealism.

If you are here then you can add as much knowledge relative to here and never know what the absolute is even if you ask a question and someone who knows of it and experiences it details it. For there is no substitute for direct experience.
The ego fights for its limitations. The ones it believes come from the Higher Self without having any experience of the Self. Limitations are not the tools for the absolute, they are the illusions created by the ego which believes itself to be something separate from the absolute.


We were talking about talking the talk and walking the talk. Talk is cheap. Walking it takes everything you have.

God


There is only God.
There is only God


There is only now, the idea of where now is, is relative.

There is only God

There is only God...

Ok, lets try it this way.
I followed a path to come to the conclusions I have attempted to share here.
Since it seems a few are having a little bit of difficulty following my line of reasoning, I am now attempting to take you down the same rabbit hole I fell into.
I was hoping that if we started with "There is only One what?" we could go step by step down the rabbit hole and all the other answers would fall into place.
So here are my thoughts on what The One is.
If there is only One, then that One must be Consciousness.
So what then is Consciousness?
Consciousness must be infinite and unbound.
If consciousness is infinite and unbound it can not have any limits.
Since there is only One, we must be part of that consciousness, but since
consciousness can have no parts, we then must be consciousness itself. And since
consciousness is infinite and unbound, and we are The One Consciousness then we are infinite, unbound and without limits.
If there are no limits, then there are no answers; only choices.

If you wish to call The Singularity of Consciousness God; it certainly qualifies!

You have spoken with the intention of knowing and understanding reincarnation in many other posts, so I am just going to speak plainly.

If I "look back" upon my incarnations 50,000 years, I would surly see, that at one time I believed in lesser ideals that meant my survival.

As I am aware of that today I also believe that living by those means is no longer a need for my progression, physically or mentally or spiritually. So yes and no.

I will see now, later, as to it's own purpose for growth.




Not really, we are all subject to this life, put your hand through a table without splinter or sprain or walk through a wall, you can't - because you are subject to this physical lifeforce.
But I don't need God to show me his face to respect the depth of it all.

see, I think the extent you go with the philosophy of "only the absolute" is no different that an atheist.
Your two fish in the same pond. Not the oyster..

This life even by you own words is a continuation from soul course to soul course. We are doing this for a reason. Not by reason but in the term of "knowing and living the process.

It stated that "we shall now know good and evil" this metaphor is the process of life, we must learn choice. Is the absolute without beginning or end? yes, but We do have a beginning, we from the breath of creation had the start of new life, there was a time we did not exist - Is that what bothers you Joe? to believe that you were, in fact, created? that there was a time you simply did not exist.

I've heard about how our first state the "monad" is the absolute and always within that connection, but what we are expanding as, and growing, is the everlasting.



Soul Contact...yeah lots of people have it,
But this life of belief , ideals, ego, and body is all a part of that. Is it evil, no, should our ego be captain of the ship, no. Both extremes lead to stagnation. This process of living and learning is just as relevant with reason of purpose. the subject of the thread is understanding choice by the relative term of, there is no truth only choices. I respond that the choices becomes a truth. To me everyone is right - when they put it together, Atheist and God Knowing.




This is a hard concept for most to take.

Our Ego, with all it's weakness and instinct is still a part of us. How is it to understand that this , like any other capacity, needs strength, discipline and application. If we study something this strengthen the mind, if we exercise, we strengthen the body, if we control our emotion and impulse we become released from temptation and gain compassion. The ego is not separate from us but our consciousness impart. We come to understand the oneness with each other and with God and our ego( our consciousness) will evolve like everything else, it may be that what we know as our present state of individuality grows to become a connected mind with each other and God but the very life we live as soul to soul is the "pearl of pearls" .





(head nods - slowly sigh)

Joseph, Joseph, Joseph.....

But you are stating that there are no answers only choices. So you choice is to create a deluge of answers?

God or if you like the singularity of consciousness...

Why?

Not if you limit it to parts and identify the one as the many. The only way it can be one and absolute and unbounded is if it is complete and without any defects or needs.
What would something that has no boundaries or limits choose for that it does not have or is not already?

If all is one and there is nothing to measure the one against, (because there is no other) how would the idea of quality or limits of measure and qualification come to be?



Maybe. Look at it this way.. If the soul is immortal...That means that it lives forever, which is a long time... How would you entertain yourself? Better yet. If the Alpha and the Omega has no beginning or end and the universe by appearances morphs and changes because it can, or because it has a nature to it. Does anything that happens within it change its natural tendencies to be and does it become something other than what it is?


You are saying the life force is physical, so it only goes so deep.


I am only what you choose to see me as. I have no control over what you choose to measure me against. And I don't need to, but it seems this system of measure is important to you. This will change.


Reason is relative. I would think that nature is by its nature reflective of the choices the soul makes to either look at itself or outside of itself.


If that were true it wouldn't bother me, but the reference to good and evil is the effect of turning outward and away from Self. To know the creator is to know Thyself and how the universe responds to thought. When one immerses themselves into duality and ignores the Source of ones own being then one loses themselves in thoughts and ideas. Like sitting in a movie and getting lost in the drama of emotion and action. All the time you are sitting in the seat and can leave at any time but for an hour or more you lose yourself in the projection of imagination. This is not a necessary course of development, it's simply sensory addiction.


What is expanding and growing is the awareness of Self when one decides to turn away from the projections on the screen and remember the source of ones self. It, is and of itself not getting any bigger or changing, anymore than the mountain changes size just because it appears to get bigger when you get closer to it after traveling from beyond the opposite horizon.


Everyone is connected to the source. Some have an inkling that there is something that connects everything. Few actually touch the source unite with it and have the experience of Union with creation.


How much of your night time dreams do you make part of your day?


To the Ego only


Well that would be your choice, but as I said beliefs change and in your acknowledgment of understanding this knowledge will evolve into something other.

If the Universe has a nature to it. Nothing that comes about within it will ultimately change it because everything is built into it. And so as we are no different we will look back on ourselves and make self measured determinations as to what reality is before we actually get to really know what it is in Union with it. It would be logical to surmise that if you aspire to be a musician or a doctor you aren't going to know what it is like until you have become accomplished in the practice of being either. So as long as you want to assume what the universe and the soul is all about from what you read and understand while standing outside of yourself then that is and will be the only thing that keeps you from actually stepping into it. Thinking about being there and what its like to get there.
You might think to yourself. I am the sum total of all my experiences, but then if all of your experiences are not of being something you are contemplating to be they are of approaching it from the perspective of not knowing and being that.

Ya know the saying two wrongs don't make a right? Well a million lifetimes of contemplation on something you don't know, doesn't amass the experience of that which you aren't






I had a friend of mine who used to say smoking was like body building. He was tearing down the muscle tissue to make it stronger... Your logic is similar to his.

The Ego is a construct of belief. Lose it and everything comes into perspective. Try and understand it and what you focus on grows.

Falling off my chair with laughter and deciding to take a break
as my personal rendition visual of "who's on first" plays through my mind.

Joesus: Absolute
Cat: It's all One
Joesus: It's only the absolute
Cat: One in all
Joesus: The absolute is All
Cat: It's One






must have breaktime...see ya later.

Do you actually experience the One, or do you simply take everything you see and experience, give it a quality of equal measure, and with that knowledge that you have consumed, assume it is all bjorked together?

Reason I ask, is, if it is all one, where do you go to get a break that is different than now and the one in this now? Isn't the One still the One wherever you go?

funny-man...



What would either answer serve?

(Tsk..you know better...
We do not experience the Oneness, we become it.
But even so, do you recognize it? - ... )

If we or someone else made the connection to our soul and human life do we really see
anything else, but this, in everyone?

If I say yes, all experiences are a service to my growth, would you acknowledge the same in yourself?

I guess I just don't consider the Ego as you do. I have experienced it's darkness and isolation, but also it's imagination and joy. By all the knowledge fromt eh deep spirti to the mundane is the principle of yin and yang - light and dark, pure or poisoning. As such we have an ego that easily gives to the extreme of what you speak, that our own desire is of the weakest source by individuality, but that also is the life given us that we live to become a greater existence. we live by this parable of illusions we call experience, change and knowledge.
Wisdom.
You have an education of vast knowledge, would you be where you are now, speaking as your are now, becoming as you are now, without? Sure you argument stands ground as it is the essence of this creative force but yet you refuse the very tools and effort that served your growth?
God created individual consciousness, and with the methods that we research every day by all fields of study. Science, philosophy and daily life -is our classroom, our playground, or our hell..
But by each day, hour or life we advance. Where to?, perhaps your 'absolute', yes perhaps, but the journey is what God wants to see - let Him enjoy it for a while.
Simply put by any simple prophet in past or future, that all say with much difficulty,
one simple thing, a thousand times different, spanning the ages.

You Have Choice.
Can you choose very badly? Yes.
Don't Do That.

[quote]
Reason I ask, is, if it is all one, where do you go to get a break that is different than now and the one in this now?

what/where I choose to put attention/intention.

What you believe and where you think reality is, is on its way to a future, and in a direction away from the past with an idea that this is the fullness of the present moment. Energy is energy, Spirit is Spirit and the One is the One. There is no more of the one in one experience than another, only projections of quality that comes from the self identification of the relative self that is ego.
In reality there is only now. Past present future, the linear time-line of the relative is not a process of the absolute, it is a process of experience in the relative, a reflection of the ego idealizing in thought and identification. Past present future all exist now, and to add to that, all choices exist in the now, in the multidimensional realities of the relative. You think you are going somewhere when you are already where you think or you project that you will be, but in projection you are disconnected from it in the thoughts of what you think the future is as it changes with your continued changing of thoughts. In this the future never really comes.
Every choice you could make, exists within the absolute as a reality that is on the same level as this one. As reflection of thoughts and awareness.

According to your previous post, either will reveal the One, in leading you to a future moment of the same current projection of the One.

You are it. Becoming it is an idea based on thinking you are not it. If you are it you can experience it.
Do I? The one cannot be contained in an experience, but every experience is the reflection of the One, and that is how I experience reality.

Or in everything...Then would one who saw nothing else take a break from something that is in everything and everyone or could one? NO! Only one who saw and experienced the stress of division that is the separation of intellectual idealism which overshadows the heart’s desire to actually re-unite in complete awareness of all that is.

Then any choice under those circumstances achieve the same results. Choice then becomes valueless as point, as long as you make any choice, you get where you want to go.

Knowledge is not necessarily wisdom, especially when that knowledge keeps you in the past looking toward a future and keeping you from the now. When the ego is in charge rather than in service to the Self, it cannot reflect knowledge of the spirit but instead projections of multiplicity that is grounded only in materialism
Wisdom comes from Truth that does not change, the absolute which underlies all projections and feelings of ego. True Joy is a constant within all diversities of feeling and experience. Relative happiness is a rollercoaster of happiness and sadness. The ego sees Joy as extended periods of identification with attachment to happiness.

First gain the direct experience of the Absolute and from that point of reference, know what reality and knowledge is at that level of awareness. “Seek ye first the Kingdom….” This is wisdom, to speak of something from the direct experience of it rather than from theory and idealism. If you take a tool and use if for something other than what it was created for such as using a screwdriver to drive a nail, you will suffer the consequence of ignorance in the potential of what something is capable of. The misuse of the mind in accepting ignorance as the means to understanding wisdom is just silly. The mind is your tool, what you do with it determines what comes through it. If you take it outward into the sensory world looking for what lies underneath you will only project it away from what is a constant finding a constant in change that is the nature of the relative. This in itself is not the constant that is the absolute. Change is not all there is.

Hell is the word Jesus used. God reflects the the image of itself..perfect. The ego then takes that perfect idea and layers it with relative beliefs.
1 Cor 13:11 “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”

In one sense God gives free will to the reflection of itself and that reflection displays all dimensional levels of duality, which is the nature of the manifest. It is dual. God is complete. The ego projects God as both negative and positive and that duality as the nature of becoming a whole, by believing it can isolate itself in and amongst these things and then putting these things together. The relative mind sees only the relative. The human that believes him/herself to be in the world and of it cannot see any further than this process, but that does not mean the human is limited to the relative any more than God could be limited by any single experience of ignorance projected by the ego, or that God has a need for the human to give God something to complete God.

There is a wisdom amongst the masters. It is that the wheel does not have to be rediscovered, and so man does not have to struggle to discover himself by walking in circles to discover he is walking in circles. The veil is, pride/ego, which keeps measuring everything according to relative ideals and beliefs. Ego cannot see that what it has done has no meaning in the now, it would mean losing the anchor of identity.
The values one places on something that becomes a memory will die with the body, return from whence it came, because there is nothing ever new that is seemingly created, that is/was not before, it is experienced. What remains is what is called the Truth. It is absolute. But the ego tries to build its treasure and eventually loses everything it gave value to, when it dies with the body.
Eventually the awareness of Self is revealed when the mind exhausts itself in thinking it can find an end to potential. As it stills itself, the veil is lifted.

The choice you have is to recognize reality, or believe in it as you will according to the relative idealism of ego or according to the tree of good and evil. That is the abandonment of the Tree of immortality or turning away from the Higher Self.

You would have to be God in order to know whether God has wants. And if you know of a God who has a want, then it may be be determination of lesser awareness a God that does not have something. You cannot be God if God is somewhere in your future experience of becoming God and not here now.
Without the wisdom or experience of God, any choice you make is suspect. If you haven't competent guidance to help you find your way without reinventing the wheel then it’s like playing a lottery.
Perhaps in some lifetime you stumble upon a future that doesn't or won't fade, leaving you as that God with a want and a desire because God is missing something. Or bored because it imagines a finality to things that it cannot find.