That's up to you, my advise is to first come off the Prozac completely (get it out of your system). Then start Stablon, that's the best way to find out if Stablon going to work for you.

once you've come off your prozac, try this stack; it has immense anti-depressive and anti-anxiety effects in my experience -

http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?s=&sh...indpost&p=94645

also, ask your doctor for a temporary prescription for a benzodiazepine, they help with the withdrawal from SSRIs.

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THANK YOU!!!!
Will start going off the Prozac.
Next question- can I start the Stablon while going off the Prozac?
or come off the Prozac first, then start stablon?
drugdelivery. ca has the cheapest prices I have found on line.
emedoutlet is decent priced too.
Thank you so much to everyone sharing on this topic.
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once you've come off your prozac, try this stack; it has immense anti-depressive and anti-anxiety effects in my experience -


also, ask your doctor for a temporary prescription for a benzodiazepine, they help with the withdrawal from SSRIs.
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Thank you again so much for all your input.
Am expecting the Stablon to arrive any day now.
And have been reducing Prozac .
I have read that Stablon works fast-
that you feel it within an hour after ingesting.
But that it takes 6 weeks for all the benefits
to set it-
was that your experience as well?
How long have you been taking Stablon?

There are plenty of methods of coming off prozac. I've personally used a change in ssri first; escitalopram. It was a much better substitute with way less side effects and eventually taught me how to live without it with supplementation of natural products and better eating habits.

Please keep in mind that substances aren't the true solution.

Best of luck in your return to health

Hi everyone, I'm new here. I just got my Stablon order and I've never taken anything else previously. I'm wondering what daily dosing schedule you've found to be best. Do you take your pills with food? Do you take your last dose in the evening or at bed? If I don't hear otherwise, I'll probably do one upon waking, one after lunch, and one slightly after dinner. Thanks.

Sounds good. Taking on an empty stomache works well. Works better for me if I take 4 doses per day, or more. Try 3 first as you had planned. I've heard not to take it immediately before bed.

I actually take 5-HTP before bed, and I have my last dose of stablon maybe 3 hours before bed.

3 days on the Stablon now and I'm feeling so much better I kinda don't believe it.
It could just be some placebo effect from my wishful thinking,
but the last three days have been more productive and social for me
than the last three months were.
I'll keep ya'll posted.
peace-out

Is there a website located in the U.S that sells this? What sites have you guys been using? I checked both the sites used earlier, but they seemed kind of sketchy. I am kind of curious to try this now.

nevermind, didn't see the retailer list thread. This post could have been prevented if I took some of that stablon

Hi YoungS

I would like to buy Stablon from India or Turkey. Where do I go to order? Many thanx.

I have bought stablon from aurapharm. It comes from turkey. I took 3 pills/day for two weeks but i became anxious and i stopped. I think i'm going to give it one more try, maybe reduce the dose. I would realy like to be prescribed it by a doctor but this drug is not available in greece.

@katiusha

Well this sucks (for me 2) I bought a lot of Stablon in Turkey while on vacation but can't find a site where they sell it online!

For Stablon from India visit http://www.indianmeds4u.org . The site might be to slow to place an order, just e-mail indianmeds4u@gmail.com with your order and they will respond back in a week. note: They upped the price with $2,- , it's now 30 for $18,- and you only can pay with Western Union and Moneygram money transfer.

Good luck.

Reporting in!
It's been a week on the Stablon now.
Seems I have gotten more done this past week than I did the past three months.
I am sleeping better.
My appetite is normal, no bad dreams,
I feel much less cranky and edgy than before.
more social without the stress that is usually attached.
My hyper-vigilance seems to have subsided as well.

I have had a neck ache for two days-
but I don't think its from the Stablon.
Drafty bedroom more likely the cause....

I ordered two more months worth-
I plan on giving this a good try ....

It bothers me that the FDA doesn't have our best interest at heart.
Just another corrupt branch of a corrupt system.
Stablon works, is cheap, and you don't have to take it forever.
Not a money maker for them.

peace-out

It's probably that the patent belongs to some foreign competitor.

Agreed, same here. Stablon is a drug that is on the right track. Drug company Jerkoffs making a lot of money on numb making, emotion repressing, erectile malfunctioning NON potential drugs. I hope Servier will make some next generation Stablonlike drug that most of the Western countries will approve!

I wonder if maybe there's a problem with recreational use among their youth! I don't know anything about Stablon. But all I hear is wonders so maybe teens think they can use it for recreational purposes such as people use Xanax for. Does it happen?

I guess it happens, while looking for info about Stablon, I only came across one topic where it was used after a night XTC because of it's Xanax like effects.


Wikipedia:




Stablon is a effective safe drug with little abuse potential. <--- Is this not enough for FDA approval?!

Why break down that money pyramid? They'll all die before humanity will overcome depression symptoms anyway

Damm you Phi and the way you detour threads sometimes!!!

Something is wrong with that picture. Definitely!

Any other strange accessories that are similar to stablon?

greetings all.
Been on the Stablon and off the Prozac for going on three weeks .
This past week I had terrible headache and neck and shoulder ache
that would not go away.
I don't know if it was related to going off the Prozac
or starting up the Stablon,
or maybe neither and I just rode some virus.
But I am happy to report that I feel much better now.
The headaches are gone, body aches much more reasonable
(for this time of year)
and I feel positive energy most of the day.
I haven't "looped" since I started the Stablon.
That alone is borderline miraculous.
I am definitely going to keep going on this.

Keep it up! You're going on a way to a marry xmas!

Hey all- checking in again, sharing my experience with Stablon.

I came off the prozac and started taking Stablon right away.
It worked amazingly! I felt the effect within 20 minutes of taking it.
Then I ran out because the next shipment got screwed up with customs
and I went two weeks with out anything.
THAT was a miserable time. Felt like all my symptoms had come back.
Anxiety, grief, rage, paralytic apathy.
Finally got the next order in the mail-
took one 3 times a day as they recommend
and it didn't work.
It kind of worked, but not like the first run.
I was just about to quit-
when I decided to up the dose and try that.
I took 2 tablets at once and IT WORKED!
Now I take two tablets in the morning
and two in the afternoon
and that's it-
I feel good, productive, able to think clearly,
while still in touch with my feelings- none of the numbness I felt on Prozac.

emdedoutlet dot com ( canadian ) is the best source I have found.
Good price and fast delivery. It usually comes from India
where Sevier has company. It takes about 7 -10 days.

I wish so much there was a doctor to talk to about this!
It is so frustrating that there is this good drug that actually works
and helps people and no one in the states can prescribe it !
When it's your own ass on the line you do whatever it takes.
For me that meant doing hours and hours of research on line
which FINALLY lead me to Stablon and eventually this site
where I have found the best information shared about it.
I deserve a good quality of life< That's a good place to start.
and I refuse to put my well being
in the hands of the FDA.

I have read that Stablon trains your brain
and that it is possible to go off eventually?
Does anyone have any information on that?
For now, I will stick to this dose that is working.

I urge anyone who suffers from PTSD or depression ( I have both)
to try this drug. It works.
So grateful for this site and all the information shared....
wish you all the best in your quests

Don't know if this qualifies as 'training the brain', but my experience is that, in a short period of use, it shifts my emotions back to as it should be. Then I quit using and the shifted emotions stay for a (long)while. Guess it only enhances the emotions and I (my brain) learn how it should be.

Too bad for me it does not enhances cognition or I would've use it daily.

Have you tried it at higher doses? If I take 5 or 6 in one day (2 tablets at once), I feel as though it greatly increases my sense of well being, focus, improves the clarity of my speech and makes me very talkative. I didn't notice this at 3 or 4 pd.

Do you notice any sideffects on Stablon related to sex? Does it delay orgasm(like typical antidepressants) or make it faster? Any experience with it?

stablon should be mildly pro-sexual whereas other antidepressants and strongly anti-sexual.


now heres something that exists that can make me feel closer to normal, but i cant have, stablon

In order to feel closer to normal where i can take a walk rather than lie on the floor with super intense malaise begging for torture to end, i would need around 24 stablon tablets per day. Servier wont make bigger 100 mg Tablets, and wont get it in the US, so then im forced to continue suffering intensely .

If i order 120 stablon for 100 dollars, that means i have to wait a long time for it to get here, then when it does, i take all of them in 6 days to feel closer to normal where the super intense life destroying flu like malaise head fog lowers. i cant do that, and servier doesnt have it here in the US in 100 mg tabs, so thats another dead in that doesnt HAVE to be

Dayumn...now that's a lot of stablon... If you need 24 stablon to feel normal, then I think you have another issue that should be treated properly. I agree though, Servier has underdosed this drug.

Has anyone had experience taking Stablon alongside SAMe?

I am taking 800mg of active SAMe pd and wanted to start Stablon again. Is it ok to mix these 2? I am taking the SAMe mostly for improving methylation to a great degree, as well as for other benefits.

in the opinion of stablon users, could it be used on an as-needed basis on top of other stuff to provide to say, "stabilize willpower" to help start tackling large projects like writing those 12 page papers... or does it need to be taken strictly every day to gain effect? It's so expensive I wouldn't want to become dependent on it to do everything

Depends.. If you have a depression you might need it daily or if you're not depressed and like the 'feeling' Stablon gives, it might be 'addictive' (like the topic-starter says "Stablon is a smart drug"). It is a fast working (within 15min.) mood stabilizer that's for sure.

You can use it like I do, couple months with and couple months without. Saves money and lets be honest it's better to use no drug at all.

Having dealt with depression my entire life, I've always noticed that at nighttime my symptoms would subside a little, and cognition would increase.

That always made taking SSRIs, etc. tough for me, since at night - when the brains neurochemicals are at its lowest - my brain operated well, while during the day (or when on SSRIs) my brain was pumped full of serotonin.

So.....wanted to ask whether anyone taking Tieneptine (Stablon) and who deals with depression has ever had similar experience with nighttime alleviation of some depressive symptoms?

I used to order my stablon from (been doing great on it BTW) form A-pharm however, I maxed out my visa and only have access to pay via master card....Ive read the entire thread and have not found a comparatively affordable alternative to aura.

I will not open another visa as my credit is borderline and I do not want it to drop further. Any suggestions?

I tried IAS and they are outragerous in price although the product generally arrives in about 7 days to east coast.

any suggestions?

It increases firing rate of dopamine so it can have a positive effect on libido. It has no negative sexual side effects from my experience, or from many other's.

it doesnt matter if you use it as needed, it doesnt cause withdrawal like other stimulants. at least not with short term usage. you can use the hell out of it, then go off it and nothing will happen to you other than the thought of disappointment there is not more, no actual feelings or physiological effects.

I would rate Stablon as follows:

Addiction: Very High

Dependence: Very Low


Thats rare for a drug, that combo is more common with activities, or foods, like ice cream, very high addiction, very low dependence. you eat your favorite food from the store first because you cant help it, but when it runs out, nothing happens to you

for contrast, there are drugs with the exact opposite combo...

AntiPsychotics / effexor / paxil:

Addiction: Very Low

Dependence: Very High

in comparison to opioids..


Opioids:

Addiction: Medium to High

Dependence: Very High





somethings dependence is more important that how addictive it is. addiction alone without regard to dependence is an over-rated thing. cake is addictive, avocados are addictive.

At nighttime DA levels rise, serotonin levels fall and melatonin levels rise. I suspect that those who feel better at night (as is the case with me right now) would do well with Stablon. I know that DA agonists (e.g. amantadine) help me during the day, but make me depressed at night. Stablon should increase DA levels indirectly by lowering serotonin levels.

I also find helpful adding green tea supplements and adding tyrosine to up DA levels during the day.

Superman vs batman

I'd have to ask...has the efficacy of stablon decreased over time?

Not really.. to give you an indication about stablon i'll reply with the same sort of question.. Has the efficacy of marijuana decreased over time?

(both chemicals, stress reliving, 2-3 hour working)

as I was exposed, tolerance did build

I know what u mean there, but immunity is impossible from marijuana (unless it's crap what u smoke ;-).

With Stablon it's the same, sometimes u notice more effect then other times. So far I didn't notice any decrease in effect.

'discovery of my own'

Hot (strong) Coffee kills Tianeptine. If someone else experience this I would like to hear it.

I came to this conclusion (by coincidence) after several days drinking my evening (strong)coffee within 5 minutes after swallowing Tianeptine.

For the Stablon using coffee lovers I suggest drinking it before taking Stablon.

Yes, I do see what you mean...although the point of smoking seemed diminished over time.

Do you see stablon as relative?

My English is okay, but not that good. Can you formulate your question in another sentence?

I'm a native speaker and don't understand, either. Maybe "Is Stablon similar?"

Tolerance to canabis is relative to each individual's experience of their own life. A teenager's second (as it is a well known fact that many times the first time experience with canabis is overly uneventful with most human beings) experience is usually much more pleasant than a forty-year old cocaine or metaemphetamine addict's, for example. But there can be many more examples, if that's what he meant.

@ Phi

Cannabis and Stablon, in my opinion, do have a lot in common but target different neurotransmitters/systems. (I can only use this example because I only used these 2 drugs with similarities over a long period)

similarity

Like I said: both chemicals, stress reliving, 2-3 hours active. If one expect to get similar Cannabis high on Stablon they will be disappointed, where Cannabis makes your emotions intense positive/negative, Stablon makes them more intense positive, as I suffer from depression with flattened emotions.

Both make a relaxation, high/low dependence (depends on the mood/depression), higher libido, higher focus, sleepiness when it wears off and both screw up my short term memory.


safety

It's good to mention, I never had a panic attack or anxiety with Stablon. I did have black outs on the combination alcohol and Cannabis (didn't tried Stablon and alcohol yet) and a couple times panic followed by anxiety on Cannabis and eventually cannabis played the biggest/trigger factor on the psychosis I had 5 years ago. On Stablon I never had a psychotic reaction as Stablon does not target dopamine.

my conclusion

Stablon and Cannabis is similar in the way they work on 2 different targets in the brain but Stablon is all the way saver then Cannabis, and that's a quite big difference when it comes to safety.


If this is what you mean with the question 'Do you see Stablon as relative'?

Well, I hope you're the exception. I cannot function without coffee.
I'd be trying this out in a couple of weeks, if it passes through customs that is. (I'm not in europe)
If I do receive it, I'd let you know about coffee/stablon counteraction.

Don't worry they don't really counteraction as I am a coffee addict too ;-)
I mean that coffee has lactation like effects and it might have killed tianeptine before it even got the chance to get to my brain.

If you keep 15min./45min. between coffee and tianeptine you won't notice any counteraction. But if you want to test it for me, coffee and tianeptine at the same time, I will be happy to hear if it had the same outcome as my experience.

Okie Doc.
Let's try not to abuse this thing, or we'd end up like this guy in this pubmed publication.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17630235
or these other 5
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14760227

Wow. Stablon must be pretty cheap in Turkey.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17270334

Uhm.. It seems it is cheap in turkey, and it's already posing an abuse threat among drug users. This one article (from turkey as well) cites tolerance
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16528638

Although cases are scarce, the potential for abuse (specially for psychonauts) it's definitely there.