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Trip like I do
The absolute conditioning of historical events by other historical events.

"Welcome to the machine," Pink Floyd.

"Another brick in the wall," Pink Floyd.

"Instincts do not create customs; customs create instincts, for the putative instincts of human beings are always learned and never native," Ellsworth Farris (1927).

"Cultural phenomena...are in no respect hereditary but are characteristically and without exception acquired," George Murdock (1932).

"Man has no nature; what he has is history," Jose Ortega y Gasset (1935).

"....Man is man because he has no instincts, because everything he is and has become he has learned, acquired, from his culture, from the man-made part of the environment, from other human beings," Ashley Montagu (1973).

"Much of what is commonly called 'human nature' is merely culture thrown against a screen of nerves, glands, sense organs, muscles, etc.," Lesli White (1949).

"Instead of regarding the individual as a First cause, as a prime mover, as the initiator and determinant of the culture process, we now see him as a component part, and a tiny and relatively insignificant part of that at that, of a vast, socio-cultural system that embraces innumerable individuals at any one time and extends into the remote past as well...," Leslie White.

"Man is the animal most desperately dependent upon such extragenetic, outside-the-skin control mechanisms, such as cultural programs, for ordering his behaviour," Clifford Geertz (1973).
Trip like I do
QUOTE (Rick @ Jan 06, 03:19 PM)
I suspect Trip has never seen the movie "THX 1138," which is about his kind of "utopia."

You suspect correct.

Your point being.
Rick
The movie is about one man's struggle to rebel against the Orwellian nightmare of a totally controlled society. Advocation of utopian control is a trap, Trip. Don't fall into it.
Unknown
Would never happen, Rick!
Trip like I do
The mind cannot be a blank slate, because blank slates don't do anything.

The inscriptions will sit there forever unless something notices patterns in them, combines them with patterns learned at other times, uses the combinations to scribble new thoughts onto the slate, and reads the results to guide behaviour toward goals.

Something in the mind must be innate, if it is only the mechanisms that do the learning. Something has to see a world of objects rather than a kaleidoscope of shimmering pixels. Something has to infer the content of a sentence rather than parrot back the exact wording.
Trip like I do
In 1628 William Harvey showed that the human body is a machine that runs by hydraulics and other mechanical principles.

Cells evolved from simpler replicating molecules, a nonliving part part of the physical world, and may be understood as collections of molecular machinery - fantastically complicated machinery, but machinery nonetheless.
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QUOTE (Rick @ Jan 06, 03:54 PM)
The movie is about one man's struggle to rebel against the Orwellian nightmare of a totally controlled society. Advocation of utopian control is a trap, Trip. Don't fall into it.

Conceptual trap!
Trip like I do
Let's fill in the blank slate, declass the noble savage, and exorcise the ghost in the machine.
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The mind of man, by the owner of choice and cultural communication, is on the verge of escape from the blind control of that deterministic world with which the Darwinists had unconsciously shackled man. The inborn characteristics laid upon him by the biological extremists have crumbled away. Alfred Russel Wallace saw and saw correctly, that with the rise of man the evolution of parts was to a marked degree outmoded, that mind was now the arbiter of human destiny.
Trip like I do
It is genetic engineering and related techniques that are moving us to an era in which evolution will be dominated not by the genes but by the human brain. This revolutionary change is part of an even larger revolution in which human beings in the 20th and 21st century have uncovered the secrets of matter, life, and thought. The brain not only is able to control life, it has also acquired the ability to manipulate matter.

The quantum code, the genetic code, and the synaptic code.
Enki
Evolution of human beings passes on level of the brain.
It is just a statement.
Trip like I do
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Jan 06, 03:27 PM)
The absolute conditioning of historical events by other historical events.

"Welcome to the machine," Pink Floyd.

"Another brick in the wall," Pink Floyd.

"Instincts do not create customs; customs create instincts, for the putative instincts of human beings are always learned and never native," Ellsworth Farris (1927).

"Cultural phenomena...are in no respect hereditary but are characteristically and without exception acquired," George Murdock (1932).

"Man has no nature; what he has is history," Jose Ortega y Gasset (1935).

"....Man is man because he has no instincts, because everything he is and has become he has learned, acquired, from his culture, from the man-made part of the environment, from other human beings," Ashley Montagu (1973).

"Much of what is commonly called 'human nature' is merely culture thrown against a screen of nerves, glands, sense organs, muscles, etc.," Lesli White (1949).

"Instead of regarding the individual as a First cause, as a prime mover, as the initiator and determinant of the culture process, we now see him as a component part, and a tiny and relatively insignificant part of that at that, of a vast, socio-cultural system that embraces innumerable individuals at any one time and extends into the remote past as well...," Leslie White.

"Man is the animal most desperately dependent upon such extragenetic, outside-the-skin control mechanisms, such as cultural programs, for ordering his behaviour," Clifford Geertz (1973).

QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Jun 04, 09:53 PM)

It is amazing what a few committed people with a common understanding and goal can achieve.

Unknown Posted: Jun 05, 01:11 AM Quote

It's amazing too to envision what can yet be achieved. Those few great ones from the past are good models to emulate, and good teachers, for us in the present, but it would do those great ones great dishonor if we did not exceed all that they did in the past. The great ones willed for much more than they realized. Their wills do not disappear, but merely get transferred, as it were, to other individuals to realize what others could not. To consider all of the willing that was done by the great ones.... To consider all of their great wills and what they strove towards.... this is very empowering, particularly if they can be channelled into your own will, serving to augment it. There is so much will from ages past striving to be realized... what are all these great wills but the many faces and manisfestations of the will of God?


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Great thread!
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