Sometimes some seeds grow into something magnificent. But sometimes, unfortunately, the dragon teeth turn into the horrific army. But even in this case one can drop a stone at the middle of the army. Here is the power of the Wisdom!
Full Version: Quantum Jumps
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| How the individual (perceptive/subjective) reality becomes the collective reality. |
It is a great secret.
Interesting quotes Trip, by the way.
PS: Cheers. Jokes. Jokes. Jokes. The Sims. All looks funny. As I see the kids are learning. World is such that the anxiety forces to consider all possibilities, even the unimaginable. Even I can be set into anxiety. Then one creates some perturbation. Thus one creates chaos in the brain as well as generates intentional errors via which one passes to the correct solution (prediction, prognosis). Excellent method.
I hope that the kids will be kind enough to pay to the master the tuition fees. Gentlemen always pay their bills as far as I know, is not it?
Ahhh, now you're more into philosophy and meta-physics...
To paraphrase
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does in make a
sound?"
Or as Einstein put it
"Does the Moon really cease to exist if you don't look at it?"
It is one of the issues that many people have with the Copenhagen
Interpretation of quantum mechanics. Since it states that the act of
observation _somehow_ instantaneously collapses the wavefunction[1] it implies
that the act of observation has some strange cosmic importance that causes the
Universe to stop mucking around with probabilities and actually make up it's
mind to be something - even if only for that instant - and even then it is
Uncertain ;-> I think the Universe has ADD :-D
This is why some scientists prefer the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) but
that has amusing consequences of it's own such as quantum suicide and quantum
immortality. Another candidate, the favourite of Stephen Hawking, is a variant
on the Copenhagen Interpretation called the Consistent Histories Interpretation.
The implictions of quantum mechanics are that the Universe exists in flux,
even, so called, empty space is seething with spontaneous
particle/anti-particle creations and annihilations. Quantum events are
occuring all the time but the seemingly deterministic Universe we observe on
the macroscopic scale is simply a consequence of the most probable outcomes of
a near infinite sum of discrete events. This counter-intuitive behaviour has
been demonstrated in many experiments and now being used to create a new breed
of computer that doesn't simple deal in 1's and 0's but _all_ the possible
combinations of 1's and 0's. There is even a suggestion that, in time, we may
be able to use the Universe itself as a computer.
[1] The wavefunction is a description of all the possible states of a system
(in our case a single particle)
To paraphrase
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does in make a
sound?"
Or as Einstein put it
"Does the Moon really cease to exist if you don't look at it?"
It is one of the issues that many people have with the Copenhagen
Interpretation of quantum mechanics. Since it states that the act of
observation _somehow_ instantaneously collapses the wavefunction[1] it implies
that the act of observation has some strange cosmic importance that causes the
Universe to stop mucking around with probabilities and actually make up it's
mind to be something - even if only for that instant - and even then it is
Uncertain ;-> I think the Universe has ADD :-D
This is why some scientists prefer the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) but
that has amusing consequences of it's own such as quantum suicide and quantum
immortality. Another candidate, the favourite of Stephen Hawking, is a variant
on the Copenhagen Interpretation called the Consistent Histories Interpretation.
The implictions of quantum mechanics are that the Universe exists in flux,
even, so called, empty space is seething with spontaneous
particle/anti-particle creations and annihilations. Quantum events are
occuring all the time but the seemingly deterministic Universe we observe on
the macroscopic scale is simply a consequence of the most probable outcomes of
a near infinite sum of discrete events. This counter-intuitive behaviour has
been demonstrated in many experiments and now being used to create a new breed
of computer that doesn't simple deal in 1's and 0's but _all_ the possible
combinations of 1's and 0's. There is even a suggestion that, in time, we may
be able to use the Universe itself as a computer.
[1] The wavefunction is a description of all the possible states of a system
(in our case a single particle)
It is not philosophy and metaphysics, it is just something like Aesop’s language.
Who knows what is there on the unknown side of the unimaginable?! World is complex.
There are so many interesting experiments, observations, life-practice, applicable heritage ...
All is so fascinating.
Thank you for your interesting post Soma.
PS: The Many-Worlds Interpretation makes the picture of the world much more clear. If in that MWI 80% is near to the truth, then that can be considered as a good Interpretation. Few words are much more uncertain. When the words are many, then we strive to the truth via number of errors (some of them can be introduced intentionally to increase the probability of the percolation of the ideas triggered due to the presence of those errors!!!).
PPS: The Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum mechanics is an interesting one, at least one must not forget about existence of that Interpretation when considers new phenomena.
PPPS: I think all the doubts can be cleared during proper scientific experiments. (Unfortunately when the results of the scientific investigations [related with specific applications of the new theories] went under the line called “National Security” mankind have lost valuable time of making the “Quantum Jump” [
] to the new level of development and world perception. In the view of that the Globalization will clear up those borders and mankind will collectively think about its survival not only on this planet, but in the galaxy as a united whole).
Who knows what is there on the unknown side of the unimaginable?! World is complex.
There are so many interesting experiments, observations, life-practice, applicable heritage ...
All is so fascinating.
Thank you for your interesting post Soma.
PS: The Many-Worlds Interpretation makes the picture of the world much more clear. If in that MWI 80% is near to the truth, then that can be considered as a good Interpretation. Few words are much more uncertain. When the words are many, then we strive to the truth via number of errors (some of them can be introduced intentionally to increase the probability of the percolation of the ideas triggered due to the presence of those errors!!!).
PPS: The Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum mechanics is an interesting one, at least one must not forget about existence of that Interpretation when considers new phenomena.
PPPS: I think all the doubts can be cleared during proper scientific experiments. (Unfortunately when the results of the scientific investigations [related with specific applications of the new theories] went under the line called “National Security” mankind have lost valuable time of making the “Quantum Jump” [
] to the new level of development and world perception. In the view of that the Globalization will clear up those borders and mankind will collectively think about its survival not only on this planet, but in the galaxy as a united whole).| QUOTE (Enki @ Dec 14, 10:05 AM) |
| It is not philosophy and metaphysics, it is just something like Aesop’s language. |
You think that life is interpreted/perceived through parabolical dimensions?
Give me a good Aesop that may parallel my/your train of thought perculation with this quantum jump thread..
| QUOTE (Enki @ Dec 14, 10:05 AM) |
| It is not philosophy and metaphysics, it is just something like Aesop’s language. |
[QUOTE=Enki,Dec 14, 10:05 AM]
Who knows what is there on the unknown side of the unimaginable?!
Do you perceive unknown dimensions of the unimaginable? Does your mind make (voluntarily) / take (involuntarily) quantum jumps/leaps of thought?
World is complex.
Why is your world complex?
All is so fascinating.
Yes, especially when that world is perceived in mutiple dimensions.
The Many-Worlds Interpretation makes the picture of the world much more clear. If in that MWI 80% is near to the truth, then that can be considered as a good Interpretation.
What of the other 20%? Faith?
Few words are much more uncertain. When the words are many, then we strive to the truth via number of errors (some of them can be introduced intentionally to increase the probability of the percolation of the ideas triggered due to the presence of those errors!!!).
Any examples? They don't have to be errors though, that's only choice and looking at the world (any world) the wrong way.
(Unfortunately when the results of the scientific investigations [related with specific applications of the new theories] went under the line called “National Security” mankind have lost valuable time of making the “Quantum Jump” [
] to the new level of development and world perception. In the view of that the Globalization will clear up those borders and mankind will collectively think about its survival not only on this planet, but in the galaxy as a united whole).One does not need government agencies to garner insight. One must look under the right rock at the right moment in time with the right frame of mind... and insight (quantum jumps are made).
...to the new level of development and world perception. In the view of that the Globalization will clear up those borders and mankind will collectively think about its survival not only on this planet, but in the galaxy as a united whole).
Ahhhh yes, Cosmic Consciousness. Good ole DR R. M. B., one of my faves.
| QUOTE (Soma @ Dec 13, 12:46 AM) |
| "Does the Moon really cease to exist if you don't look at it?" |
It doesn't for the objective reality that I am now currently consciously engaged in (not looking at the moon). For in that instance the reality of that moon has not implanted (perculated) the reality of that moon in that instance. All that I would have to draw on in that moment would be an architypal image of a moon. No reality. The reality in that instance would consist of what was currently being observed/perceived/experienced etc....
There are no lost possibilities.
A more holistic and less fragmented way of looking at ourselves within the world.
The quantum world view.
The quantum world view.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams...
Yet we are the movers and shakers of the world forever it seems.
We, in the ages lying, in the buried past of the earth,
Built Nineveh with our sighing, and Babel itself with our mirth;
And o'erthrew them with prophesying to the old of the new world's worth;
For each age is a dream that is dying, or one that has come to birth.
Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy
"Ode"
http://www.bartleby.com/103/6.html
Yet we are the movers and shakers of the world forever it seems.
We, in the ages lying, in the buried past of the earth,
Built Nineveh with our sighing, and Babel itself with our mirth;
And o'erthrew them with prophesying to the old of the new world's worth;
For each age is a dream that is dying, or one that has come to birth.
Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy
"Ode"
http://www.bartleby.com/103/6.html
A unifying explanation of ourselves and our universe and a unifying foundation for our behavior.
The quantum vacuum.
The quantum vacuum.
Mind is relationship and matter is that which it relates.
Together they give us ourselves and the world.
The creative dialogue between mind and matter.
Together they give us ourselves and the world.
The creative dialogue between mind and matter.
| QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Dec 14, 06:44 PM) | ||
You think that life is interpreted/perceived through parabolical dimensions? Give me a good Aesop that may parallel my/your train of thought perculation with this quantum jump thread.. |
I do not think anything!
And why should I?
Give me an argument pro.
I am 100% sure that there is no such argument.
So I am not going to give anything at all.
| QUOTE (Trip) | ||
Do you perceive unknown dimensions of the unimaginable? Does your mind make (voluntarily) / take (involuntarily) quantum jumps/leaps of thought? |
I have no idea what you are talking about Trip.
| QUOTE (Trip) | ||
Why is your world complex? |
I was speaking about the world as a whole. I was not speaking about my world. I wonder you cannot read English? I wonder who is native speaker here?!
Does it mean that your world is simple Trip?
| QUOTE (Trip) | ||
What of the other 20%? Faith? |
Why faith? Just error, misleading, wrong suppositions etc.
| QUOTE (Trip) | ||
Any examples? They don't have to be errors though, that's only choice and looking at the world (any world) the wrong way. |
I think you do not understand the above-mentioned simple idea.
| QUOTE (Trip) | ||
One does not need government agencies to garner insight. One must look under the right rock at the right moment in time with the right frame of mind... and insight (quantum jumps are made). |
One needs experimental data of complex scientific experiments to work with. You push forward too many preconditions. Such event is not realizable, you know Theory of Probability does not know mercy!
| QUOTE (Trip) | ||
Ahhhh yes, Cosmic Consciousness. Good ole DR R. M. B., one of my faves. |
I wonder how you mix clear things with mystical uncertainties. I am speaking about focusing the resources and ideas and mankind expansion, as well as about organization of unified resistance and defense in case of possible threat from outside.
And besides I start to think about usefulness of this uncertain discussion. I think there is nothing interesting to talk about at present configuration of the approaches.
So I am quitting from this discussion. It was interesting but I am in a hurry the duchess will be furious.
Enki, Enki, Enki.
Very dissappointing response.
And you are starting to bore me, so please feel free to not respond to any of my threads.
Thank you in advance with your cooperation in this regards.
I see, RTB is no longer here so the target of your projections and attributions have shifted focus have they?
I must say, I do filter through most of your non-sensical jiberish as well, so tu che.
And the concept you are speaking of is well known to me for it is a simple concept for simple people. I was trying to provoke new thought in that pea sized brain of yours you simpleton.
How's my english now? Are you getting all this? Would you like me to slow down for you? Is the chasm to immense for you to take the leap? It seems so.
Very dissappointing response.
And you are starting to bore me, so please feel free to not respond to any of my threads.
Thank you in advance with your cooperation in this regards.
I see, RTB is no longer here so the target of your projections and attributions have shifted focus have they?
I must say, I do filter through most of your non-sensical jiberish as well, so tu che.
And the concept you are speaking of is well known to me for it is a simple concept for simple people. I was trying to provoke new thought in that pea sized brain of yours you simpleton.
How's my english now? Are you getting all this? Would you like me to slow down for you? Is the chasm to immense for you to take the leap? It seems so.
| QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Dec 15, 04:14 AM) |
| Enki, Enki, Enki. Very dissappointing response. And you are starting to bore me, so please feel free to not respond to any of my threads. Thank you in advance with your cooperation in this regards. I see, RTB is no longer here so the target of your projections and attributions have shifted focus have they? I must say, I do filter through most of your non-sensical jiberish as well, so tu che. And the concept you are speaking of is well known to me for it is a simple concept for simple people. I was tryinh to provoke new thought in that pea sized brain of yours you simpleton. How's my english now? Are you getting all this? Would you like me to slow down for you? Is the chasm to immense for you to take the leap? It seems so. |
You are always welcomed Tripper to read my simple boring comments.
Nooooo shifting, I am such a good Brer Rabbit.
Oh poor me. I did not get provoked. Oh my poor small pea it does not grow, what a tragedy, I am crying, and I was deceived that it can grow to the heavens. Oh cruel world. What a tragedy there is a chasm. And this brave Canuck artist wants to show me the right way trough that canyon of illusions, fear and unknown. Oh brave young boy you wanted to increase poor Enki’s knowledge and I closed the gates of my empty brain to the flow of the waters of your wisdom which could help the pea to grow to the heavens. How could I underestimate such a brave, young, beautiful, masculine candid boyish desire to illuminate poor dark, ill Enki?!
But whatsoever, oh it is seven o’clock I am in a hurry the duchess will be extremely furious.
Where is my Rabbit hole? Oh here it is, my dearest labyrinth of illusions. By the way do not dare to follow me, the labyrinth is much more complex, than the world is.
Trip, it is pretty obvious that you are 'carrying the torch' against Enki for a certain departed member of this board. You're projecting more agression toward your Enki avatar than is warranted by actual events
I agree with you Dan.
It seems to me that we all should try to discuss what has been written rather than supposed characteristics of the personalities behind the posts. (I will).
I will just not respond to posts which don't fit into my frame of thinking if it is deviant from my own concepts to such an extent that I could never accept the point(s) being made. And, I see no point trying to force another to accept my view!
This is far more effective a solution than asking others not to read my posts.
It seems to me that we all should try to discuss what has been written rather than supposed characteristics of the personalities behind the posts. (I will).
I will just not respond to posts which don't fit into my frame of thinking if it is deviant from my own concepts to such an extent that I could never accept the point(s) being made. And, I see no point trying to force another to accept my view!
This is far more effective a solution than asking others not to read my posts.
| QUOTE (Enki @ Dec 15, 03:17 AM) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I do not think anything! And why should I? Give me an argument pro. I am 100% sure that there is no such argument. So I am not going to give anything at all.
I have no idea what you are talking about Trip.
I was speaking about the world as a whole. I was not speaking about my world. I wonder you cannot read English? I wonder who is native speaker here?! Does it mean that your world is simple Trip?
Why faith? Just error, misleading, wrong suppositions etc.
I think you do not understand the above-mentioned simple idea.
One needs experimental data of complex scientific experiments to work with. You push forward too many preconditions. Such event is not realizable, you know Theory of Probability does not know mercy!
I wonder how you mix clear things with mystical uncertainties. I am speaking about focusing the resources and ideas and mankind expansion, as well as about organization of unified resistance and defense in case of possible threat from outside. And besides I start to think about usefulness of this uncertain discussion. I think there is nothing interesting to talk about at present configuration of the approaches. So I am quitting from this discussion. It was interesting but I am in a hurry the duchess will be furious. |
I wonder you cannot read English? I wonder who is native speaker here?!
Does it mean that your world is simple Trip?
Does it mean that your world is simple Trip?
no torch carrier here. i couldn't give a rat's ass what is up with rtb.
As far as i'm concerned its all water underthe bridge.
just having some fun with Enki, he is easy to get revved up.
Relax ladies, back to the topic at hand by all means. Fire away.
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Dec 15, 04:51 PM) |
| I agree with you Dan. It seems to me that we all should try to discuss what has been written rather than supposed characteristics of the personalities behind the posts. (I will). I will just not respond to posts which don't fit into my frame of thinking if it is deviant from my own concepts to such an extent that I could never accept the point(s) being made. And, I see no point trying to force another to accept my view! This is far more effective a solution than asking others not to read my posts. |
exellent ider for this fits into my frame of thought as well.
| QUOTE (Dan @ Dec 15, 01:01 PM) |
| Trip, it is pretty obvious that you are 'carrying the torch' against Enki for a certain departed member of this board. You're projecting more agression toward your Enki avatar than is warranted by actual events |
Very interesting Dan,
You know, Trip’s avatar, at first sight looks like Superman’s badge. But from the other side it looks like a fife angle star turned with one of the prolonged angles down, just like the occult star outlined with red line like the pentagon sign, and a little tipped to the down the red S in the middle of the pentagram can be considered as a symbol of a red Snake.
Thus a natural questions rises: is it a coincidence or the well-known Superman badge was meaning quite different thing for some people from the very beginning when the symbol was created many years ago?
How funny ... new funny coincidence.
I fully agree Mr. Rhymer.
[a joke] The substance is much more important and not the symbol this substance gets associated in the brain with, on the level of sub - consciousness, possibly in spite of human free will. Though later, a clever master, when it will be needed can use that association for his own purposes. E.g. to save info in the brains of the others. You know it is difficult to remember everything. [it is the end of my joke]
Enki,
I'm afraid I don't understand your joke!
At any rate, I have no intentions of putting things into the minds of others, except for them to consider and make their own judgements, whether right or wrong. I do hope people realise that anything I write here is my interpretation of things alone, and I fully accept that my views may be wrong. There is no-one whose words I ever accept without recourse to testing their views against my own thoughts, experiences, feelings and intuition. This does not mean that 'I know best'. It simply means that I feel able and confident to draw my own conclusions about views expressed anywhere on the web, or in any other media.
I must admit that I am still learning about the motivations and intentions of other people and in the light of that information considering questions about my own stance!
This I call personal development, and I suspect it never is concluded until Altzheimers is introduced into the equation. Now, what were you saying?
I'm afraid I don't understand your joke!
At any rate, I have no intentions of putting things into the minds of others, except for them to consider and make their own judgements, whether right or wrong. I do hope people realise that anything I write here is my interpretation of things alone, and I fully accept that my views may be wrong. There is no-one whose words I ever accept without recourse to testing their views against my own thoughts, experiences, feelings and intuition. This does not mean that 'I know best'. It simply means that I feel able and confident to draw my own conclusions about views expressed anywhere on the web, or in any other media.
I must admit that I am still learning about the motivations and intentions of other people and in the light of that information considering questions about my own stance!
This I call personal development, and I suspect it never is concluded until Altzheimers is introduced into the equation. Now, what were you saying?
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Dec 15, 03:51 PM) |
| Enki, I'm afraid I don't understand your joke! At any rate, I have no intentions of putting things into the minds of others, except for them to consider and make their own judgements, whether right or wrong. I do hope people realise that anything I write here is my interpretation of things alone, and I fully accept that my views may be wrong. There is no-one whose words I ever accept without recourse to testing their views against my own thoughts, experiences, feelings and intuition. This does not mean that 'I know best'. It simply means that I feel able and confident to draw my own conclusions about views expressed anywhere on the web, or in any other media. I must admit that I am still learning about the motivations and intentions of other people and in the light of that information considering questions about my own stance! This I call personal development, and I suspect it never is concluded until Altzheimers is introduced into the equation. Now, what were you saying? |
Dear Mr. Rhymer,
I am sorry, sometimes I feel that I start to make jokes for myself. You know it is so sad here in place now I am – absolute intellectual vacuum, I even cannot joke! That is why I joke for myself.
Sometimes it is extremely difficult to understand people’s motivations.
Sometimes introduction of a new equation into a set of equations helps to find the solution for the entire set. That is much better.
Bests,
Enki
Bests, Enki!!
I think that we are all saying the same thing, its just that we are using different 'languages' and its not the universal language that we are, today striving to understand and parlee in. I do not think that we, as a global society have reached that level of understanding and articulation, but it is close at hand, I can feel it in my soul and I am noticing certain global shifts in perceptual understanding and awareness. I am not talking of the political level. I am talking of the real people who co-habituate on this planet in the collective reality. Not hidden dimensions, secret sects, ect. ect., the minority reality.
just so nobody's confused, when I referred to 'Trips avatar of Enki' I was referring to the construction in Trip's mind that represents Enki for him. I felt like introducing the idea 'avatar' in this way even though it is likely to be misunderstood, especially on the internet. Typically, an internet 'avatar' is simply a cute picture that a person uses to offer some sort of representation of them. In the way I am using the term, 'avatar' is the total construction in one's own mind of the 'other' with whom one interacts.
| QUOTE (Dan @ Dec 15, 08:00 PM) |
| just so nobody's confused, when I referred to 'Trips avatar of Enki' I was referring to the construction in Trip's mind that represents Enki for him. I felt like introducing the idea 'avatar' in this way even though it is likely to be misunderstood, especially on the internet. Typically, an internet 'avatar' is simply a cute picture that a person uses to offer some sort of representation of them. In the way I am using the term, 'avatar' is the total construction in one's own mind of the 'other' with whom one interacts. |
I did understand what you meant in the original post.
However, I have no conception or construct of Enki whatsoever, don't mistake me for our departed RtB, for that I am not. I have no construct of Enki for he has not allowed the rest to Know any personal biographical info. Oh well just as well, although he did say that he smells. Something about a stinky little dwarf. That one still makes me laugh though. Enki and his oh so clever jokes. To quote Roscoe Pecoe Train "Gu Gu I love it, I love it."
| QUOTE (Enki @ Dec 15, 07:09 PM) |
| You know it is so sad here in place now I am – absolute intellectual vacuum, I even cannot joke! That is why I joke for myself. |
What do you think of brain/meta.com as an intellectual vacuum?
Oh yeah, merry 'Christ'mas.
| QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Dec 15, 07:52 PM) |
| I think that we are all saying the same thing, its just that we are using different 'languages' and its not the universal language that we are, today striving to understand and parlee in. I do not think that we, as a global society have reached that level of understanding and articulation, but it is close at hand, I can feel it in my soul and I am noticing certain global shifts in perceptual understanding and awareness. I am not talking of the political level. I am talking of the real people who co-habituate on this planet in the collective reality. Not hidden dimensions, secret sects, ect. ect., the minority reality. |
Perhaps the coming together of our insights about the world around us and the world inside us is a satisfying feature of the recent evolution in science.....
Ilya Prigogine - 'Order out of Chaos'
| QUOTE (Enki @ Dec 15, 12:17 AM) | ||||
I think you do not understand the above-mentioned simple idea. |
I've long understood and employed the method when specific situations arise where said method is the course of recourse.
| QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Dec 15, 05:19 PM) |
| I did understand what you meant in the original post. However, I have no conception or construct of Enki whatsoever ... I have no construct of Enki for he has not allowed the rest to Know any personal biographical info. |
I am saying that any 'other' that one interacts with via a computer (can be extended further than a computer, but for now this is sufficiently explanatory) exists primarly as an 'avatar'(construct) in one's mind; a sort of 'interface' between oneself and the 'other'. In this sense, you very much do hava an 'Enki' construct in your mind. I am suggesting that your projections toward Enki are not warranted by what I have seen of Enki but are consistent with RTB's projections toward Enki.
| QUOTE (Dan @ Dec 15, 05:00 PM) |
| just so nobody's confused, when I referred to 'Trips avatar of Enki' I was referring to the construction in Trip's mind that represents Enki for him. I felt like introducing the idea 'avatar' in this way even though it is likely to be misunderstood, especially on the internet. Typically, an internet 'avatar' is simply a cute picture that a person uses to offer some sort of representation of them. In the way I am using the term, 'avatar' is the total construction in one's own mind of the 'other' with whom one interacts. |
Hups...
I thought you was pointing out on his Superman badge. You trapped me Dan, I thought that you know that "secret" related with the pentagram, red S in the form of Snake etc, and honestly got surprised. There is another detail in that symbol which points that specificity: the upper curve of the S letter touches the boarders of the red line outlining the pentagram in a way that, there, a small hole remains between the letter element and the red line, so it looks like snake’s eye.
You see that is another interesting coincidence related with Trip's avatar and the Superman badge as well. Funny indeed.
Interesting does the Superman actor been informed about the specificity of the symbol he made popular all over the word? I think when his neck was broken he had quite a lot of time to think about that.
as for the superman symbol, I see the most common shape of a cut diamond (diamond is the hardest element and is virtually unbreakable, just like superman) and an S for superior (Superman cannot be beat physically or morally, thus is superior). I doubt more thought than diamond/superior went into the symbol design
| QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Dec 15, 05:22 PM) | ||
What do you think of brain/meta.com as an intellectual vacuum? Oh yeah, merry 'Christ'mas. |
Certainly I was not meaning the forum.
Look what a polite boy he wishes marry Christmas in advance.
Hope nobody plans anything by Catholic Christmas Trip?
I will hide in my Rabbit hole immediately.
| QUOTE (Dan @ Dec 15, 09:41 PM) |
| as for the superman symbol, I see the most common shape of a cut diamond (diamond is the hardest element and is virtually unbreakable, just like superman) and an S for superior (Superman cannot be beat physically or morally, thus is superior). I doubt more thought than diamond/superior went into the symbol design |
Thank you for your comments Dan.
These all indicates that even clear symbols can get interpreted in quite many ways and this once again shows that the Mystical approache to the reality have no criteria of truth. In contrary Nullius in Verba approach of the Royal Society is the only correct way to study the reality by means of experiment – analysis –experiment - data verification.
| QUOTE (Enki @ Dec 15, 09:54 PM) |
| the only correct way to study reality is by means of experiment – analysis –experiment - data verification. |
yes, it is nice to imagine what might be hidden behind the veneer of reality but such imagination has a funny way of diverging into nonsense when it strays far from observed fact.
Just like the discourse and course of this topic.
So back to the objective gentlemen, 'Quantum Jumps'.
So back to the objective gentlemen, 'Quantum Jumps'.
Every generation has perceived the limits to growth that finite resources and undesirable side effects would pose if no new recipes or ideas were discovered. And every genration has underestimated the potential for finding new recipes and ideas. We consistently fail to grasp how many ideas remain to be discovered. The difficulty is the same one we have with compounding. Possibilities do not add up. They multiply.
[QUOTE=Rick,Dec 06, 12:31 PM]
[Feynman, in his physics lectures, often implied that no one can or should understand quantum mechanics.]
"I think I can safely say that no one understands quantum mechanics... Do not keep asking yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, 'But how can it be like that?'.... Nobody knows how it can be like that."
"If you think you understand quantum theory, you don't understand quantum theory!"
Richard Feynman.
[Feynman, in his physics lectures, often implied that no one can or should understand quantum mechanics.]
"I think I can safely say that no one understands quantum mechanics... Do not keep asking yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, 'But how can it be like that?'.... Nobody knows how it can be like that."
"If you think you understand quantum theory, you don't understand quantum theory!"
Richard Feynman.
| QUOTE (Dan @ Dec 15, 11:57 PM) | ||
yes, it is nice to imagine what might be hidden behind the veneer of reality but such imagination has a funny way of diverging into nonsense when it strays far from observed fact. |
Fully agree Dan.
Roger Penrose argues that microtubules (minute substructures lying deep within the brain's neurons) rather than neurons may be the basic units of the brain, and that it is within them that the collective quantum effects necessary for consciousness reside.
| QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Dec 19, 05:24 PM) |
| Roger Penrose argues that microtubules (minute substructures lying deep within the brain's neurons) rather than neurons may be the basic units of the brain, and that it is within them that the collective quantum effects necessary for consciousness reside. |
It looks like that Trip is thinking in very interesting directions: collects specific set of info. Do not forget about the EPR Paradox.
By the way, I did not understand, so, do you want to make an experiment with the KEY?
| QUOTE (Enki @ Dec 15, 09:54 PM) |
| the only correct way to study the reality by means of experiment – analysis –experiment - data verification. |
but experimentation only offers us a piece of reality and leaves a lot left unseen. if something is invisible it dosn't make it any less real. so what would you suggest would be the best way to precieve the invisible aspects of reality?
| QUOTE (flowerfairy @ Dec 20, 04:40 PM) | ||
but experimentation only offers us a piece of reality and leaves a lot left unseen. if something is invisible it dosn't make it any less real. so what would you suggest would be the best way to precieve the invisible aspects of reality? |
Good question flowerfairy.
I think that we have to approach to the right depiction of the true reality via chain of theoretically initiated experiments, via date verification, correction, modeling and model testing via experiment. For data and theories verification experiment serves as a criteria of truth as it helps to discard fallacies and errors springing from those fallacies, which getting accumulated may lead us astray. You see, the quarrel what is much heavier light objects or heavy objects have been resolved by simple dropping of objects from one well known tower. That is why up to now the Nullius in Verba motto of the Royal Society is hammered on all the rings of wisdom in all universities of our planet.
But, possibly there can be something undetectable by our instruments, something unseen for our sensors, something suppressed by Noise under which we cannot note anything with help of our instruments. There can be signals and very slow processes, which we cannot neither amplify to analyze nor physically consider or even project. That is why we possibly have to invent some new methodology based on new criteria of truth to study such specific phenomena we cannot trace by tools. It may turn so that in addition to Induction, Deduction and Ontology development methodic, etc we have to add something New which still have to be Introduced. Who knows, maybe one day someone will write a Newest Organon. Hope we will find a beautiful fairy to inspire a gifted man of learning to venture to open new gate into the new perception of the true reality.
And possibly for detection of some specific invisible phenomena the MAN still remains the only best Sensor of natural kind. But in case of man we have problems with Data Verification: different people tell different stories about their experiences. There are quite many non-interpreted and very specific man-participated experiments. And as scientist I expect that we stand on the verge of very specific breakthrough in our understanding of the world.
That is why the experiments projected with participation of man as a Sensing element of the experiment have to be conducted with utmost care. It is so easy to make an error.
Besides you never know what is out there, who knows we can find even a dragon there .
By the way, I still wonder that nobody wants to participate in the experiment related with the Key. One boy have pinned here the Superman badge but dared to ignore fare suggestion of Enki related with the key.
By the way, the Key concept has no direct relation with my Words Matrix concept.
Possibly in some way or another it has very slight relation with that primitive speaking flying face and violet beam etc so specifically practiced by some amateur [and possibly very brave boys] self-proclaimed wizards or druids or what ever they venture to call themselves.
I did not forget such effrontery, especially the twitching of the hand.
People must keep up manners and respect The Spring! Otherwise they may face the destructive power of the sleeping murmuring waters.
Sincerely yours in Love and War,
With good wishes,
Enki
Possibly in some way or another it has very slight relation with that primitive speaking flying face and violet beam etc so specifically practiced by some amateur [and possibly very brave boys] self-proclaimed wizards or druids or what ever they venture to call themselves.
I did not forget such effrontery, especially the twitching of the hand.
People must keep up manners and respect The Spring! Otherwise they may face the destructive power of the sleeping murmuring waters.
Sincerely yours in Love and War,
With good wishes,
Enki
| QUOTE (Unknown @ Dec 15, 11:02 PM) | ||||||
I've long understood and employed the method when specific situations arise where said method is the course of recourse. |
| QUOTE (Enki @ Dec 20, 01:28 AM) | ||
It looks like that Trip is thinking in very interesting directions: collects specific set of info. Do not forget about the EPR Paradox. By the way, I did not understand, so, do you want to make an experiment with the KEY? |
EPR-type Z-mysteries - written in 1935 by Einstein, Boris Podolsky, and Nathan Rose.
...a measurement performed, in one place in space, on one member of a quantum pair of particles, could instantaneously 'influence' the other member in a very specific way, though that other particle might be at an arbitrary distance from the original one...
Yet, such an 'influence' could not be used to send an actual message from one to the other. The two particles are said to be in a state of entanglement with one another.
i'm too lazy to read all the posts on this topic... what is "the Key" and what are the suggested experiments on it?
Connect the dots, for there are many parallels here to be made.
| QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Dec 20, 09:31 PM) | ||||
EPR-type Z-mysteries - written in 1935 by Einstein, Boris Podolsky, and Nathan Rose. ...a measurement performed, in one place in space, on one member of a quantum pair of particles, could instantaneously 'influence' the other member in a very specific way, though that other particle might be at an arbitrary distance from the original one... Yet, such an 'influence' could not be used to send an actual message from one to the other. (The two particles are said to be in a state of entanglement with one another.) |
Sounds like the crapola Enki was slinging RTB's way back awile, no?
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