"Morals are a lot more selfish than ethics too. But to what degree is
like explaining to what degree water is wet."


Something got me thinking about this and wondering why society (and self!)
spins a moral judgement on certain choices which are actually ethical (or
non), and it comes down to social conditioning.

Western moral judgements have their original roots in the 10 Commandments (3
of which ideal with God so don't immediately concern us), and by
extrapolation the 7 deadly sins, murder, stealing, false witness (the big 3
really), lust, covetousness, envy, and sloth.

Three things are necessary for a sin to be mortal:
1. Serious matter (things listed above)
2. Knowledge or firm belief that the act is seriously wrong prior to
committing the act;
3. Full consent of the will.

It's a very harsh and victorian, even draconian, arena to play out our
life-lessons, compared with, say,

the eightfold-path of Gautama.

1. Right View Wisdom
2. Right Intention Wisdom
3. Right Speech Ethical Conduct
4. Right Action Ethical Conduct
5. Right Livelihood Ethical Conduct
6. Right Effort Mental Development
7. Right Mindfulness Mental Development
8. Right Concentration Mental Development

And we rightly don't deal with God here because it's a paradox

Morals- guidelines
Ethics- rules...what you live by

Moral judgements are based on "subjective" "value judgements".


(Actually, I have difficulty understanding most of your post....)