Dear Dan

Being as I have this in an article from the Wall Street Journal and TOronto Star from the Science reporter in my books I could go and get it for you - but I already went and got a site that clarified that matter in simple terms and you simply adhere to some unspecified and uncommunicative attacking attitude so I will not be providing you with any research - do you own. If you can show Hebbell definitely does not in some 'credible scientific' manner I will address it.

Dear Dan

I have provided lots of science from various disciplines in many threads and you never address the facts. Just declaring you are not programmed does nothing but illustrate that you indeed are.

You have stated two incorrect facts, RTB. First, you stated that the scale of the observable universe is understood to be 15 thousand billion light years across, which is plain wrong. You have also alluded to the idea that one must look in a specific direction in space in order to observe the 'big bang'. You are flat wrong on both accounts.

the non-location of the Big Bang
more on the big-bang non-locality

Dear Dan

Na-Na-na na-na is not argument - it is mere puffery from punks. The fact is we are all programmed as the cybernticists, semiotics, NLP, Delphi, Consciousness, Hypnosis, Lindsay's threads dealing with hypnosis and the use of it, and many others illustrate.

To FREE yourself from linear logical programming and the likes of Fukayama's social engineers requires that you become aware of the techniques first. Denying that they exist will never do the trick.

Yes, the term Big Bang was invented to deride the actual science by the likes of Denton (If I remember) and it never was what he said and it was a meeting of two dimensions (one hot and one cold like Aristotle can be said to have known and as the Indian Physicists thread illustrates).

The Gale Group that you are quoting there is one of my oft quoted sources through their encyclopedia mentioned here. This also includes a highly worthwhile group headed by the astronaut Edgar Mitchell.










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I. Group Profile

Name: Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS)

Founder: Edgar D. Mitchell, ScD, Captain USN (Ret)

Date of Birth: September 17, 1930 1.

Birth Place: Hereford, Texas2.

Year Founded: March 1973: California3.

Sacred or Revered Texts: Being a sectarian group the Institute of Noetic Science has no sacred texts as such; however, they believe deeply in the power of research and the findings in research articles that they have supported. They have also published a number of books.

Cult or Sect:

Negative sentiments are typically implied when the concepts "cult" and "sect" are employed in popular discourse. Since the Religious Movements Homepage seeks to promote religious tolerance and appreciation of the positive benefits of pluralism and religious diversity in human cultures, we encourage the use of alternative concepts that do not carry implicit negative stereotypes. For a more detailed discussion of both scholarly and popular usage of the concepts "cult" and "sect," please visit our Conceptualizing "Cult" and "Sect" page, where you will find additional links to related issues.



Size of Group: 50,000 members18


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II. History
| The Founder | The Founding |Changing Leadership and Changing Focus |Current Status|

The Founder

Edgar Mitchell was born in Hereford, West Texas September 17, 1930. He graduated from the Carnegie Institute of Technology with a B. S. in science in 1952. From there, Mitchell joined the Navy flight program and after completing training in 1954 he served seven years as a pilot. In 1961, he enrolled in Massachusetts Institute of Technology receiving his Doctorate three years later. In 1966, he was selected to be an astronaut4. During this time, Mitchell began to look into the realm of parapsychology. Mitchell's friendship with Arthur Ford led to the planning of a rocket to Earth ESP test during the coming Apollo XIV mission. Ford died less than a month before the launching of the mission but it was carried out with J.B. Rhine5. The results of the experiment were felt to be successful by Mitchell and Rhine but many think the results are ambiguous at best.6. On February 5, 1971, Mitchell became the sixth man to walk on the moon 7but it was the trip back from the moon with which he says was the most amazing.

The Founding

On the way back from the moon Mitchell was able to look down at the whole Earth and experience something like an epiphany. In his own words: "The presence of divinity became almost palpable and I knew that life in the universe was not just an accident based on random processes. . . The knowledge came to me directly." 8. It was this experience to which Edgar Mitchell credits his thinking about consciousness and its relation to the body and all of humanity. Mitchell began to attempt to find others who shared his ideas that all things were interconnected through consciousness.

In 1972, he retired from the Navy as a captain and founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences March of 1973.9

IONS began as a very small organization "founded so that serious scientific work could be conducted concerning [the] elusive phenomenon we call consciousness.10" The purpose of the group was to fund research in areas of science that no one else budgeted money to. Mitchell was barely able to keep IONS alive in the beginning but soon Dr. Carl Simenton did research funded by IONS on how thought processes influence illness. This brought attention to the group and soon Brendon O'Regan joined the Institution as research director. O'Regan advised the group to stay focused on health issues and helped gain the group more acceptance11.

Changing Leadership and Changing Focus

By 1978 Mitchell had two children in college and resigned as president to work on his private corporation. However, Mitchell stayed on as the Chairman of the Board at the Institute. Willis W. Harman became president in Mitchell's place. Harman has a similar background to that of Mitchell. They both began in the physical sciences and then became interested in the workings of the mind. Harman was a professor of Engineering before becoming University of California regent in the 1970s. Harman was a prolific writer and speech maker both before and during his presidency at the Institute of Noetic Sciences. He was often a contributor and was a full time member of the Board of Editors on The Journal of Humanistic Psychology12. His writings on the future gained him the title of "futurist" by the early 1980's. He published four books before his death: An Incomplete Guide to the Future (1979), Global Mind Change (1988), Higher Creativity (1984) and Creative Work (1990)13.

Despite the similarities in background, Harman's main interests diverged from those of Mitchell. While Mitchell was primarily concerned with the idea of a whole consciousness and the workings of the mind, Harman's ideas were centered more around the mind-body connection. Once Harman became president he soon began selling memberships to the public as the main fund-raiser.

The Institute saw a rise in interest but the board of directors began having internal problems. According to Mitchell, the board wanted to pursue fields other than those of consciousness. Mitchell was steadfast in his arguments to stay with the original focus of the group arguing that if science could uncover what gave rise to mankind's awareness and thoughts, then the answers to the other questions of channeling, healing, and the afterlife would be forthcoming. The board saw things differently and Mitchell was not re-elected in as chairman of the board in 198214

After this point, a shift can be seen in the groups interest that is still reflected today. The new emphasis was on things such as alternative medicines and spontaneous remission. Harman was also deeply interested in the future and attempting to identify the changes in consciousness now that were leading to changes in the future.

By the mid 1980's the board of directors at the Institute were calling Mitchell and asking him to once again help the group. The board was seeing an even greater rise in diversity of interests and wanted his aid in recentering the group15. Mitchell is once again on the board of directors. The Institute now has six 16

Current Status

Winston "Wink" Franklin, the former Vice President of the Institute, became president after the death Willis Harman in 1997. The Institute's primary functions have always been to fund research, to lecture and hold seminars about their findings and other areas related to them, and to educate the public with books, research articles, and networking. The Institute is planning to use $1.8 billion for research in the near future.17 The Institute hold numerous events and seminars each month. For more about the Institute go to New Dimensions Radio's homepage and look up a broadcast by IONS in your area.



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III. Beliefs of the Group
To get a full understanding of the beliefs of the Institute of Noetic Sciences it is necessary to look at the beliefs of the group from three different perspectives.

The Institute as Secular

The Institute seems to see itself as unswervingly secular. The Institute claims boldly in the first lines of its webpage in the "About" section that "We are not a spiritual sect." 19 The Institute relies on science as a tool for unraveling that which other more religious groups take on faith. Winston Franklin, the current president of IONS said that "[The Institute of Noetic Science] uses science, not as the supreme rational goal for living, but as a tool to understand the larger mystery of experience. It is profoundly optimistic. It views personality as shaped by dynamic forces of the unconscious; it emphasizes multiple realities; it aims toward an understanding of extraordinary states of consciousness and expanded human potential. It promotes the paranormal as a reality of human functioning and it takes seriously accounts of spirit communication on the after-death plane, dream images, personal symbols of one's destiny, and religious visions." 20

The Institute as Quasi-Religious

Even a brief examination of the Institute of Noetic Sciences reveals that it has some spiritual undertones. In the previous quotation the president mentions "multiple realities," "extraordinary states" and "spirit communication." Certainly this is not the language of a fully secular organization. One way of understanding the Institute is to view them as a quasi-religious group. Quasi-religious groups are "groups which deal with the sacred but are anomalous given the American folk category of religion." 21 Quasi-religious groups often walk the line between sacred and secular and are thus difficult to define as either. "Leaders [of quasi-religious organizations] have at their disposal the option of emphasizing the religious nature, or the ambiguity of their organization" 22

The current leadership appears to want to emphasize the ambiguity rather than the spirituality of the Institute. The leading remark that claims so forcefully that they are not a spiritual sect is in contrast with the module of research on "Spirit and Intention in Health and Healing." If we take a new look at the changing leadership and changing focus of the group in terms of it being a quasi-religious group trying to decide how secular they should be, we see that the problems of the group in the beginning were as much over whether to be a spiritual organization or not as they were about what to study. Mitchell was intent on keeping the group secular but others wanted a "more spiritual or mystical orientation." 23

The Institute of Noetic Science began with a centered goal of exploring consciousness. Mitchell believed that "Mind and matter are not separate realms." 24. Therefore Mitchell thought that, "Both the problems and the potentials [of mankind] are ultimately a function of consciousness. The most efficient and enduring way to resolve the problems and to realize these potentials is through developing the awareness of individuals. The institute is therefore dedicated to research and education on the process of human consciousness--to help achieve a new understanding and an expanded consciousness among all people."25 Mitchell wanted to keep the Institute very ambiguous as to spiritual concerns. But the focus changed.

Winston Franklin relates this change of focus, "Our initial focus was anomalous psi phenomena such as telepathy, clairvoyance, and psychokinesis. In our second decade we enlarged our focus to include mind-body health."26 This is something of an understatement. Mind-body health now comprises four of their six areas of focus and was the subject of one of the largest undertakings of the Institute: the book Heart of Healing and the television special of the same name. This six hour cable T. V. special which aired on TBS October 26th through the 29th, 1993, looked at a wide range of alternative healing methods and spontaneous remission case studies. It was hosted by Jane Seymour of "Dr. Quinn: Medicine Woman" fame. 27. This area has probably gotten the institute the most attention of any area of research they do. It is also the most outwardly spiritual of all the studies the Institute does involving studies in prayer, faith healing, and more New Age remedies.

The Institute as New Age

The New Age movement can trace its roots to the late 1960's and the counter-culture's discontent with the current spiritual organizations. New Age is a combination of transcendental ideas, eastern philosophies such as Daoism and Zen. It became a spiritual movement of its own right in the 1970's. New Age claims that the individual will be transformed through the new age. The individual is thus able to reach a kind of salvation through techniques that are available immediately to him/her. This kind of thinking makes meditation, mind-body interaction, and alternative healing practices very appealing to New Age. In fact, health can be seen as the integrating core of New Age because it places the individual above all.28

The interest of the IONS in alternative practices of health makes it easily identifiable with New Age. However, the similarities do not stop there. Like many New Age groups IONS gives great consideration to parapsychology, consciousness, communication with the dead, and seems to expect, if not a new age, some kind of change in the near future. Edgar Mitchell put it as an "evolutionary crossroads"29 and Willis Harman talked about the changes that would take place30.



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IV. Links to the Institute of Noetic Sciences Web Sites

The Institute of Noetic Sciences Home Page
The Institute of Noetic Science Homepage is the first, best reference for information on the Institute. It has membership information, a chat room to post messages, and many research articles that were sponsored by IONS are available there online.
http://www.noetic.org
Friends of the Institute of Noetic Sciences
The Friends of the Institute of Noetic Sciences is a group very similar to the IONS. They also take memberships and fund the same kinds of research projects as does the IONS.
http://www.fions.org

Online Noetic Network
The Online Noetic Network is a membership sponsored site that allows it members to talk to both each other and experts about "living consciously and building a world based on consciousness, connection, compassion, purpose, and wisdom." Nonmembers can receive one free e-mail each week as a sample of what goes on in the site for members.
http://www.wisdomtalk.org

DProgram's Overview of Willis Harman
This page is full of quotes by the late Willis Harman, former president of IONS, and lists his books to date.
http://www.dprogram.com/WillisP1.html

Intuition Network
Intuition Network is an organization that feels humanity is somehow connected and that we should all cultivate our inner resources. They have similar goals and beliefs as IONS.
http://www.intuition.org

The School of the Esalen
Esalen is a resort and school where one can go to a workshop. These are usually weekend or five day workshops consisting of lectures on Gestalt, message, sensory awareness, and meditation.
http://www.esalen.org

In Context "Transformation of Business"
An interview with "futurist" and longtime president of IONS Willis Harman where he describes his ideas on what is in store for our culture if our views of business remain the same.
http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC41/Harman.htm

New Dimensions Radio
New Dimensions Radio broadcasts a program run by IONS. You can go to their webpage to find the boradcast times in your local area.
http://www.newdimensions.org


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V. Bibliography

Greening, Tom. 1997
"Willis Harman, 1918-1997". The Journal of Humanistic Psychology vol 37 pp6

Greil, Arhur L. 1993
"Explorations Along the Sacred Frontier: notes on para-religions and quasi-religions, and other boundary phenomena". Religion and Social Order. 3A (1993): 153-172

"The Institute of Noetic Sciences." 1996
World Guide to Religious and Spiritual Organizations. Union of International Associates: New Providence

"The Institute of Noetic Sciences." 1996.
The Encyclopedia of Occultism and Parapsychology. Detroit: Gale Research.

Kingsley, Guy. 1996
"Astronaut Reflects on Spiritual Journey". The Tampa Tribune. 28 Dec. 1996, final ed., sec, Plant City: 4+

McNeill, Barbara and Carol Guion edt. 1991
Noetic Science Collection 1980-1990. Institute of Noetic Sciences: Sausalito, CA

Miller, Leslie. 1993
"Getting to the Heart of Healing and the Mind". USA Today. 26 Oct. 1993, final ed., sec, Life: 4D+

"Mitchell, Edgar D." 1996.
The Encyclopedia of Occultism and Parapsychology. Detroit: Gale Research.

Mitchell, Edgar with Dewight Williams. 1996.
The Way of the Explorer. G.P. Putnam's Sons: New York

Mitchell, Edgar. 1974
Psychic Exploration. G.P. Putnam's Sons: New York

"New Age." 1998
Encyclopidia of Cults, Sects, and New Religions. Amherst, New York: Prometheus Books, 1998. p922-923

"Rhine, J. B." 1996.
The Encyclopedia of Occultism and Parapsychology. Detroit: Gale Research.

www.dprogram.com/WillisP1.html. 4/26/00

www.noetic.org. 2/10/00


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VI. References

"Mitchell, Edgar D." The Encyclopedia of Occultism and Parapsychology. Detroit: Gale Research, 1996. p867
"Mitchell, Edgar D." The Encyclopedia of Occultism and Parapsychology. Detroit: Gale Research, 1996. p867
Mitchell, Edgar. Psychic Exploration. New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1974. (Preface)
Mitchell, Edgar. Psychic Exploration. New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1974. (Preface)
"Mitchell, Edgar D." The Encyclopedia of Occultism and Parapsychology. Detroit: Gale Research, 1996. p867
"Rhine, J. B." The Encyclopedia of Occultism and Parapsychology. Detroit: Gale Research, 1996.
Kingsley, Guy. "Astronaut Reflects on Spiritual Journey". The Tampa Tribune. 28 Dec. 1996, final ed., sec, Plant City: 4+
www.noetic.org. 2/10/00
Mitchell, Edgar. Psychic Exploration. New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1974. (Preface)
Mitchell, Edgar with Dewight Williams. The Way of the Explorer. New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1996. pp74
Mitchell, Edgar with Dewight Williams. The Way of the Explorer. New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1996. pp71-75
Greening, Tom. "Willis Harman, 1918-1997". The Journal of Humanistic Psychology 37 (1997): 6.
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Mitchell, Edgar with Dewight Williams. The Way of the Explorer. New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1996. pp71-75
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Greil, Arhur L. "Explorations Along the Sacred Frontier: notes on para-religions and quasi-religions, and other boundary phenomena". Religion and Social Order. 3A (1993): 156
Greil, Arhur L. "Explorations Along the Sacred Frontier: notes on para-religions and quasi-religions, and other boundary phenomena". Religion and Social Order. 3A (1993): 157
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No I have not. Like your own source we all use the term Big Bang and those who study it know it was not one little location.

Dan Says:

Maybe you have a point in general, but I have been trying to tell you that some experience of mine transcended any possible programming. I am not what you believe me to be

No doubt some of your experiences (like your admitted use of LSD) did not come via traditional paradigm thinking. But your stated cosmology is Hobbesian or Malthusian ONE PIE 'get yours' myopia. Your cosmology is right out of the mainstream paradigm programming.

Do you refute the fact that the universe is accelerating outward?

From your source again - we have proof that Hubbell did not just see one galaxy as you stated. We also address the exanding universe - which is recently found to be increasing in velocity and not slowing down per the so-called Big Bang theory.


Hubble's original value for the expansion rate was 500 km/s/mpc. Why is this now considered wrong?
It wasn't wrong at the time, but now it has been replaced as astronomers have studied tens of thousands of distant galaxies not just the 30 or 50 nearby ones that Hubble originally used.

As McLuhan said - give me 15 years in control of the media and I will control all there is - his recent biographer states McKuhan knew the secret societies own the media and are in charge = Synarchy.

Yes, Dan - you have illustrated you like being part of the destructive paradigm and I have no doubt you will cling to your programming.

Never did I use the term you now put in my nouth - 'true center'. I simply referred to the articles in 1999 that called it the 'center of the universe'.

For those who do not know the confusion of spelling that goes with the Hubbell Teescope I provide


http://www.abemblem.com/nasapatches/special/hubbell.html

For reference to Dan suggesting he never said I was dealing with galactic centers I give you his words from yesterday.

Perhaps you are talking about galactic centers?

Posted: Oct 12, 03:50 PM

your own words, RTB:

First of all - you say I am programming people - yes I am. To think for themselves. That would be de-programming.

Here you say I identified a center. But I see me asking you 'from where' and saying 'the event called the Big Bang' ('called' as I have explained - but not as derided). Then I ask you again if you believe the universe is accelerating outward and though your source specifies this to be the case you keep saying from where. If something is accelerating outward then the way to find the direction from whence it comes is to look backward. My source said they can do that by looking back in time to 14 billion years ago. And I was wrong about the English versus American billion is is 10 to the ninth.


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I was dealing with astrophysical scalar topographical thought having to do with red shift analysis before the Hubbell saaw the energy coming through (Again from where) the center of the universe.

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The center of the universe occurred at the event called the Big Bang (Which is there - or are you going to tell me you don't know about the accelerating outward movement from that event)

Dan Proclaims it is Hubble and I wonder if he looked at the official NASA site I provided.

But he apparently did not and he also does not look at his own sources (but that is fine because they fit with what I am saying).

From the NASA site I provided we have

HUBBELL SPACE TELESCOPE
The first embroidered emblem of the National Aeronics and Space Administration. Angled around thelettering can be seen an ellipse which depicts orbital flight. Above and below the lettering are stars representing the vastness of space and the frontiers of exploration. A red vector completes the design,wrapping the NASA lettering at an angle perpendicular to the white ellipse. The vector represents NASA's trajectory and direction, thus it is naturally pointed upward, on a heading towards the stars.

Dude I said there is confusion and a patch vendor has to have official status. Yes, it is spelt both ways - but you proclaimed it is just one way.

QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Oct 13, 12:33 PM)
If something is accelerating outward then the way to find the direction from whence it comes is to look backward. My source said they can do that by looking back in time to 14 billion years ago.

Holy crap. Are you trying to tell me that the 'direction' you were alluding to is back in time? give me a break
Your grasp of simple science is lacking, so I can hardly expect that your grasp of more complex science (like string theory) is actually better


Yes, Dan that is the way it works. The light from the original event travels through space and it takes time to travel here - thus we are looking back in time.

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And I was wrong about the English versus American billion is is 10 to the ninth.



Amazingly, here is an example of you claiming to have a source that 'verifies' a fact that turns out to be false. I wonder how often this happens with you

No it was not the source and I said so - I said I was wrong.

I didn't proclaim it, RTB, NASA did. And I bet Edwin Hubble might have something to say about it too

get off the patch

May I jump in here with a cool observation about the early big bang? If we could "run the movie backwards" to the early seconds, we find the density of the universe increasing to infinity. According to general relativity, the gravitational field due to the density will cause time to slow down (time dilation) so that the closer we get back in time to the origin, the slower time goes, so we never get there.

As to the "center" being the place where all other places are receeding, that happens to be true of every place. So every observer appears to himself to be at the center.

Right. This concept of 'center' is a critical 'non-intuitive' concept that most people do not understand. It also implies either a spatially infinite universe or a spatially finite unbounded universe. I am a 'finite-unbounded-ist'

Dear Dan,

I want to warn you that if you constantly will read what Robert writes then it runs danger that his neurosis can percolate like a disease. I am not joking, I am speaking serious. Misleading has tendency to spread. He uses too many not related words and creates serious info noise flow, when all this gets to your brain it starts to sift (bolt) that info, but on subconscious lever slowly propagating processes pass not depending on your will. If frame of your convictions and principles is not firm enough, then that garbage can modify into something dangerous and start to look for a gap in the line of defense and may lead to development of neurosis or depression. I want to warn you about that danger as I feel deep sympathy to your way of reasoning and clarity of your mind, and I get very upset when see how you are stormed with flow of those dirty waters.
I recommend you after communicating with Robert to read some stuff from the exact sciences to clean up the operative memory as soon as possible. I recommend you always drink water from pure springs.

Unfortunately I know how Robert came to such a situation and now I fully percept how he thinks. He can be an excellent companion of dispute and can help a lot in solution of many problems if one does find a Key to use his Data Base in a productive way.

With best wishes,
Enki

A 25-year-old theory that I like is that the universe is infinite, flat, and unbounded. Nothing we observe contradicts this. The boundary of our observation is beyond the 4 degree Kelvin cosmic background radiation, which is the transition of space (long ago) from opacity to transparency to electromagnetic radiation, red-shifted to that radio wavelength.

so far, the investigation of the cosmic microwave background anisotropy for evidence of a finite-unbounded universe has come up empty. I still believe, though

I mean that there is a sphere centered on us beyond which we can't see because photons had not yet decoupled from the quark-gluon plasma of the early big bang. The radius of the sphere is about 15 billion light years because the photon-decoupling happened just a few seconds after the start.

That boundary recedes from us at a rate of one light day per day, of course, but just because we can't see further than that doesn't mean that the universe isn't of infinite extent and infinite mass-energy.

We posted in parallel and I think we are in agreement on the nature of the cosmic background radiation.

Could be either way, finite or infinite, based on what we know right now. However, if it's flat and finite, it must be bounded. So that leaves only positive or negative curvature if it's unbounded and finite. Flat is simpler, so I go for the infinite mass-energy. If the original singularity was infinitely dense, what have you got against infinite content?

I don't see how 'curvature' is any more complicated than 'infinite'. It seems to me that much more complication arises out of the notion of infinite space and infinite mass-energy than out of a 'curved' finite unbounded space

OK. And I suppose it's locally curved anyway near any masses, so you can't evade the computational complexity that way either. Besides, the configuration space is infinite in any finite continuous volume.

QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Oct 13, 12:58 PM)
Yes, Dan that is the way it works. The light from the original event travels through space and it takes time to travel here - thus we are looking back in time.


You have spun out of control, RTB. This is full-fledged denial. I am guessing that others who are watching you might be questioning your scientific competence

Rick says

That boundary recedes from us at a rate of one light day per day, of course, but just because we can't see further than that doesn't mean that the universe isn't of infinite extent and infinite mass-energy.

And that is the nature of how the Hubbell (per the official site selling the patch that says Hubble on it) views the passage of light backwards to the boundary of what can be seen which happened 14 billion years ago.