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| QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Oct 15, 07:27 PM) |
| I find parts of what you say agreeable but other parts seem fanciful. And the funny thing is the fancy makes more sense than the agreeable. |
fancy that!
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| Non force info packets are one of those forces that we have yet to more fully understand. |
I am not aware of such a force. Do you have a reference?
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| But in the matter of astrophysical evaluation of the information encoded in the energy of photons still reaching us for purposes of calculations we have the red shift and what they are able to ascertain from wobble measured in the astronomer's art as I understand it. |
'red shift' is not extra information 'in' a photon, it is deviation of the energy of a photon below its expected energy. The extra information (knowledge that the photon is 'redshifted') is derived by comparing light spectra against laboratory observations of the characteristic spectra of various materials. If the light from a cosmic object has an identifiable spectral pattern (indicating the matter from which the photons originated) but this pattern is shifted in direction of lower(higher) energy, we say the spectra is red(blue)-shifted. In this case, the relevant 'information' is a combination of the observed spectrum of photon energy and our knowledge of what to expect.
and I have no idea what you mean by 'wobble'
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| ...the mathematical analysis of red shift is not an issue of what our senses perceive and many other analyses as well. In fact we are not considering brain function here at all. |
yes, the information is being filtered according to expectations (and consequent instrumentation) which are ultimately derived of other 'real' observations (ideally, at least). The story can get complex, but so long as the filtering techniques are well-founded on 'real' observation and kept free of 'imagination' contamination, we call their products 'real'.
Dear Dan
What??? Ah frenemy! We are being entirely too agreeable here.
Yes, I know what the shifts tell us and to some extent why. And I see you are saying this is a fantasy or 'meeting expectations' and there is always some truth in that but how much? As I understand it these are calculations that did not fit old models or adhere to the tenured thought so I trust it more.
Non-force info packets are mentioned in my piece on the Thalami and Third Eye. Teslas is credited with the term in recent times but it is a lot like other terms from ancient chaos science. I have read a number of articles or papers touching on it and it seems to me it could be a sub carrier as in the tachyon field which is like what I used to work with in fiber optics and my partners went on in one case to expand or allow more chammels of information thereon through multiplexing. Can't say I have seen it described that way - but I am often later shown to have presaged something I later find is worked on by others. I think I have seen them associated with the wavicle composition of light and I wonder about the recent reinforcement of Einstein's old theory (see Negative Gravity thread I started yesterday) applying as I hear (have not read a lot of it) Hawking extending his and Penrose's Black Hole work to negate the one way exchange of energy along supraluminal or light squared speeds some say gravity operates at.
Wobble refers to the behavior of a sun when there are planets exerting gravitational forces on it and I think they can determine the presence of planets very accurately that have later been found by telescopes so it is not mere 'interpretation' or fantasy.
What??? Ah frenemy! We are being entirely too agreeable here.
Yes, I know what the shifts tell us and to some extent why. And I see you are saying this is a fantasy or 'meeting expectations' and there is always some truth in that but how much? As I understand it these are calculations that did not fit old models or adhere to the tenured thought so I trust it more.
Non-force info packets are mentioned in my piece on the Thalami and Third Eye. Teslas is credited with the term in recent times but it is a lot like other terms from ancient chaos science. I have read a number of articles or papers touching on it and it seems to me it could be a sub carrier as in the tachyon field which is like what I used to work with in fiber optics and my partners went on in one case to expand or allow more chammels of information thereon through multiplexing. Can't say I have seen it described that way - but I am often later shown to have presaged something I later find is worked on by others. I think I have seen them associated with the wavicle composition of light and I wonder about the recent reinforcement of Einstein's old theory (see Negative Gravity thread I started yesterday) applying as I hear (have not read a lot of it) Hawking extending his and Penrose's Black Hole work to negate the one way exchange of energy along supraluminal or light squared speeds some say gravity operates at.
Wobble refers to the behavior of a sun when there are planets exerting gravitational forces on it and I think they can determine the presence of planets very accurately that have later been found by telescopes so it is not mere 'interpretation' or fantasy.
Here is what google comes up with on Non force info packets - it has a lot of my work.
Relativity, Special and General
... In your propositions I find non-force info packets such as Tesla posited have analogous
impacts to your use of the word TIME - am I wrong on this? ...
groups.msn.com/RelativitySpecialandGeneral/ general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=73&... - 44k - Cached - Similar pages
Hobbitts Hideout
... Dr. Robins is beginning a further exploration of the 'non-force info packets' of
Tesla as he decodes lattice structure and crystals as I see it. ...
groups.msn.com/HobbittsHideout/general.msnw?action=get_ message&mview=0&ID_Message=130&LastMod... - 61k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages
World Mysteries - Articles by Robert Baird
... Perhaps this is the 'non-force info packets' that Tesla proposed to explain
much of what has been prejudicially called paranormal. ...
www.world-mysteries.com/gw_rb3.htm - 70k - Cached - Similar pages
News and Discussion Forum at www.globalresearch.ca :: View topic ...
... force. They may even have been able to do this with the non-force
'info-packets' to a similar effect though more controlled. This ...
globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/ viewtopic.php?t=511&view=next - 101k -
Relativity, Special and General
... In your propositions I find non-force info packets such as Tesla posited have analogous
impacts to your use of the word TIME - am I wrong on this? ...
groups.msn.com/RelativitySpecialandGeneral/ general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=73&... - 44k - Cached - Similar pages
Hobbitts Hideout
... Dr. Robins is beginning a further exploration of the 'non-force info packets' of
Tesla as he decodes lattice structure and crystals as I see it. ...
groups.msn.com/HobbittsHideout/general.msnw?action=get_ message&mview=0&ID_Message=130&LastMod... - 61k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages
World Mysteries - Articles by Robert Baird
... Perhaps this is the 'non-force info packets' that Tesla proposed to explain
much of what has been prejudicially called paranormal. ...
www.world-mysteries.com/gw_rb3.htm - 70k - Cached - Similar pages
News and Discussion Forum at www.globalresearch.ca :: View topic ...
... force. They may even have been able to do this with the non-force
'info-packets' to a similar effect though more controlled. This ...
globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/ viewtopic.php?t=511&view=next - 101k -
| QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Oct 15, 09:21 PM) |
| What??? Ah frenemy! We are being entirely too agreeable here. |
I'm sure this is just an anomaly
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| ... I see you are saying this is a fantasy or 'meeting expectations' and there is always some truth in that but how much?... |
In a sort of way it is a 'fantasy' that we expect anything at all. If we think in terms of odds, the basic patterns of physics are simply extremely dependable fantasies and thus it is pragmatic to assume them as immutable 'laws'. In our society it has been considered much more economical (and perhaps, more importantly, necessary) to avoid the lengthy and difficult philosophical education required to make sense of this truth, and simply push the operational education in an efficient manner
DAN DAN! Stop it!
Jung and William James could not agree more - Jung called it 'nichts als'.
Anything that can be reduced to a simple common denominator has been 'reduced'
and means something other than it should. Reductivism is the bane of bliss and what might be truth and there really is no black and white answer. To anything. Socrates (my hero) knew it long ago.
I made my lifelong significant other into a far better teacher when she was about to quit teaching when I met her some 29 years ago this week. This one thing 'questioning' allows the student to participate and make personal sense on their PATH (TAO).
I almost want to quote you on this.
In a sort of way it is a 'fantasy' that we expect anything at all. If we think in terms of odds, the basic patterns of physics are simply extremely dependable fantasies and thus it is pragmatic to assume them as immutable 'laws'. In our society it has been considered much more economical (and perhaps, more importantly, necessary) to avoid the lengthy and difficult philosophical education required to make sense of this truth, and simply push the operational education in an efficient manner
Jung and William James could not agree more - Jung called it 'nichts als'.
Anything that can be reduced to a simple common denominator has been 'reduced'
and means something other than it should. Reductivism is the bane of bliss and what might be truth and there really is no black and white answer. To anything. Socrates (my hero) knew it long ago.
I made my lifelong significant other into a far better teacher when she was about to quit teaching when I met her some 29 years ago this week. This one thing 'questioning' allows the student to participate and make personal sense on their PATH (TAO).
I almost want to quote you on this.
In a sort of way it is a 'fantasy' that we expect anything at all. If we think in terms of odds, the basic patterns of physics are simply extremely dependable fantasies and thus it is pragmatic to assume them as immutable 'laws'. In our society it has been considered much more economical (and perhaps, more importantly, necessary) to avoid the lengthy and difficult philosophical education required to make sense of this truth, and simply push the operational education in an efficient manner
Tom Bearden (cheniere.org) has taken Tesla a little further and is mentioned in my piece on The Thalami by the likes of Laszlo. He corrected Michelson-Morley and made electricity more definable but as he notes here there is much missing still. I draw attention to the unification of the photon and wave nature aspects and think this unity of design has to do with pathways established between energy (magnetic and other attractive forces) during eons of pre-Big Bang time.
Seriously flawed path of classical electrodynamics
Flaws in Classical EM Theory
1. Eliminates the Internal EM Inside the
Scalar Potential.
2. No Definition of Electrical Charge or
of Scalar Potential.
3. Equations Still Assume Material Ether
Per Maxwell (Unchanged).
4. Use of Force Fields in Vacuum is False
(and Known to be So).
5. Treats Charge q as Unitary Instead of
Coupled System q=ΓΈ(q)m(q).
6. Confuses Massless Potential Gradients
as Forces (See #3, #4).
7. Does Not Utilize Mass as a Component
of Force (See #23).
8. Erroneously Assumes EM Force Field as
Primary Causes.
9. Topology of EM Model Has Been Substantially
Reduced.
10. Does Not Include Quantum Potential or Action
at a Distance.
11. Does Not Include Superluminal Velocity of Inner
EM Components.
12. Does Not Utilize Extended Near-Field Coulomb
Gauge Effects.
13. Does Not Include EM Generatrix Mechanism
For Time Flow.
14. Does Not Unify Photon and Wave Aspects
(Requires 7-D Model).
15. Does Not Include Electron Spin and Precession
(See #19, #24).
16. Treats EM Energy As Existing in "Chunks,"
Instead of as Flow.
17. Confuses Energy and Energy Collection
(See #16).
18. Discards Half of Every EM Wave in Vacuum
(See #22).
19. Erroneously Uses Transverse Vacuum Wave;
It's Quasi-Longitudinal.
20. Arbitrarily Regauges Maxwell's Equations to
Eliminate Overunity Maxwellian Systems.
21. Omits Phase Conjugate Optics Effects
(Which are the Rule in Internal EM).
22. Does Not Include EM Cause of Newtonian
Reaction Force.
23. Erroneously Assumes Separate Force Acting
on Separate Mass.
24. Confuses Detected Electron Precession Waves
as Proving Transverse EM Waves in Vacuum
(Remnant of Old "EM Fluid" Concept).
25. Due to Error in String Wave, Omits the
Ubiquitous Antiwave.
26. Assumes Equilibrium; Not True Unless Include
Vacuum Interactions.
27. Higher Toplogy Required, to Model
Electromagnetic Reality.
28. Lorentz surface integration discards Poynting
energy transport.
29. Has nothing at all to say about form of
EM entities in massless space.
30. Eliminates the infolded general relativity using
EM-force as curve agent.
31. Does not include longitudinal EM wave phase
conjugate pairs as time domain oscillations.
32. Does not include EM mechanism that generates
time flow and flow rate.
33. Does not include time-excitation charging
and decay.
34. Does not include time-reversal zones.
@ T.E.BEARDEN 1999N
Seriously flawed path of classical electrodynamics
Flaws in Classical EM Theory
1. Eliminates the Internal EM Inside the
Scalar Potential.
2. No Definition of Electrical Charge or
of Scalar Potential.
3. Equations Still Assume Material Ether
Per Maxwell (Unchanged).
4. Use of Force Fields in Vacuum is False
(and Known to be So).
5. Treats Charge q as Unitary Instead of
Coupled System q=ΓΈ(q)m(q).
6. Confuses Massless Potential Gradients
as Forces (See #3, #4).
7. Does Not Utilize Mass as a Component
of Force (See #23).
8. Erroneously Assumes EM Force Field as
Primary Causes.
9. Topology of EM Model Has Been Substantially
Reduced.
10. Does Not Include Quantum Potential or Action
at a Distance.
11. Does Not Include Superluminal Velocity of Inner
EM Components.
12. Does Not Utilize Extended Near-Field Coulomb
Gauge Effects.
13. Does Not Include EM Generatrix Mechanism
For Time Flow.
14. Does Not Unify Photon and Wave Aspects
(Requires 7-D Model).
15. Does Not Include Electron Spin and Precession
(See #19, #24).
16. Treats EM Energy As Existing in "Chunks,"
Instead of as Flow.
17. Confuses Energy and Energy Collection
(See #16).
18. Discards Half of Every EM Wave in Vacuum
(See #22).
19. Erroneously Uses Transverse Vacuum Wave;
It's Quasi-Longitudinal.
20. Arbitrarily Regauges Maxwell's Equations to
Eliminate Overunity Maxwellian Systems.
21. Omits Phase Conjugate Optics Effects
(Which are the Rule in Internal EM).
22. Does Not Include EM Cause of Newtonian
Reaction Force.
23. Erroneously Assumes Separate Force Acting
on Separate Mass.
24. Confuses Detected Electron Precession Waves
as Proving Transverse EM Waves in Vacuum
(Remnant of Old "EM Fluid" Concept).
25. Due to Error in String Wave, Omits the
Ubiquitous Antiwave.
26. Assumes Equilibrium; Not True Unless Include
Vacuum Interactions.
27. Higher Toplogy Required, to Model
Electromagnetic Reality.
28. Lorentz surface integration discards Poynting
energy transport.
29. Has nothing at all to say about form of
EM entities in massless space.
30. Eliminates the infolded general relativity using
EM-force as curve agent.
31. Does not include longitudinal EM wave phase
conjugate pairs as time domain oscillations.
32. Does not include EM mechanism that generates
time flow and flow rate.
33. Does not include time-excitation charging
and decay.
34. Does not include time-reversal zones.
@ T.E.BEARDEN 1999N
this thread is becoming far too anomalous
From: Laurent
Message 1 in Discussion
As the first fields appeared, information also appeared. Physical reality is
the product of these field interactions, therefore the product of active
information.
All information is transferred through waves. It could be sound waves, light
waves or simply a ground vibration, but it has to be in waves. Waves have
nearly infinite capacity for information storage. Thanks to EM waves,
information can be quantized and made into particles or wave packets
(photons) and transferred, unaltered, through vast distances at the speed of
light. That's why it's possible for us to have all those damned cell phones!
Inherent to wave mechanics are the mechanisms of wave superposition and
parallel and non-linear information processing. And this mechanisms, which
are also affected and regulated by the laws of thermodynamics, are
responsible for information growth and the evolution of biological matter.
Information begets information.
Did you think that state wave packet collapse happens to an object only
once, that after objective state reduction occurs an object continues to
float in space without any more stress-energy expectation values to be reset
following every new position in a spacetime geometry?
Sir Roger Penrose says that every object's state wave collapses with its own
frequency.
Take a good look at the picture in this page.
http://cyberdyno1.tripod.com/mass.html
What do you think those ripples are made of?
They are made from ZPR, 10^-33cm (about 10^-20 times the size of a proton)
sized particles which are continuosly condensed by matter waves into forming
bigger particles.
Have any idea of how many times smaller is a ZPR particle compared to
electrons or protons at 2.82 x 10-15 m diameter?
It's like comparing planet Earth to the Milky Way.
The de Broglie's wavelength is in reality the space between the ripples you
see in that Laue Diffraction pattern.
There is information flowing in and out of every particle/wave system.
That's where Cramer's Transactional Interpretation and Wheeler's Delayed
Action come from.
http://cyberdyno1.tripod.com/
Message 1 in Discussion
As the first fields appeared, information also appeared. Physical reality is
the product of these field interactions, therefore the product of active
information.
All information is transferred through waves. It could be sound waves, light
waves or simply a ground vibration, but it has to be in waves. Waves have
nearly infinite capacity for information storage. Thanks to EM waves,
information can be quantized and made into particles or wave packets
(photons) and transferred, unaltered, through vast distances at the speed of
light. That's why it's possible for us to have all those damned cell phones!
Inherent to wave mechanics are the mechanisms of wave superposition and
parallel and non-linear information processing. And this mechanisms, which
are also affected and regulated by the laws of thermodynamics, are
responsible for information growth and the evolution of biological matter.
Information begets information.
Did you think that state wave packet collapse happens to an object only
once, that after objective state reduction occurs an object continues to
float in space without any more stress-energy expectation values to be reset
following every new position in a spacetime geometry?
Sir Roger Penrose says that every object's state wave collapses with its own
frequency.
Take a good look at the picture in this page.
http://cyberdyno1.tripod.com/mass.html
What do you think those ripples are made of?
They are made from ZPR, 10^-33cm (about 10^-20 times the size of a proton)
sized particles which are continuosly condensed by matter waves into forming
bigger particles.
Have any idea of how many times smaller is a ZPR particle compared to
electrons or protons at 2.82 x 10-15 m diameter?
It's like comparing planet Earth to the Milky Way.
The de Broglie's wavelength is in reality the space between the ripples you
see in that Laue Diffraction pattern.
There is information flowing in and out of every particle/wave system.
That's where Cramer's Transactional Interpretation and Wheeler's Delayed
Action come from.
http://cyberdyno1.tripod.com/
So if Fred Alan Wolf can really do yogic time travel it should be easy to prove it by bringing back some winning lottery numbers.
heathen! how dare you dare to deny FAW's REAL yogic abilities with fear-mongering POWER impulses like expecting proof! TRUE spirituality does not prove itself, you have bought into the FEAR paradigm of the merovingians and rothschilds who were FEAR mongers and have brainwashed you into denying TRUTH just because it can't be proven to FEAR mongers like you!
the above 'parody' was by me away from my home computer, you ego-infested FEAR mongering establishmentarian
Does a time traveler actually physically travel? I think not. Thus the 'viewer' is left with confusing images such as we see with Da Vinci and Nostradamus when they try to convey what they saw - as is true with Jung and many others considered giants in the study of science and reality.
ah yes, the information is real but, for some reason, it is always reduced in intelligibility just below the level necessary for BANKING ON IT. This is why poor POWER and FEAR monger James Randi has not yet lost his million
Those who seek to BANK ON KNOWLEDGE are as Socrates properly pointed out - mere prostitutes like the Sophists who spread what little they know in exchange for whatever they can get.
No he has not lost it because he was proven to have de-frauded people just as he did when he was a mere magician and that is all he still is. Those who worship the AMAZING RANDI are sheep to be sheared and never grow to know squat.
exactly! abiliites like TIME TRAVEL magically cease to work for those who intend to BANK on it. SPIRIT always opposes POWER mongers, and actively short circuits the attempts by FEAR mongers to gain financial POWER from SPIRITUAL gifts.
So if you can't utilize it, why talk about it?
There is no such thing as magic - just fakirs like Randi.
The definition of Time Travel has been addressed already - one cannot physically interact with 'potentials' not yet real.
But spirit (energy) operates according to Laws which will prevent some abuse of power - though many power-mongers are great sorcerers - including the Borgia/De Medicis who kept science knowledge of these things to their own cadre while Pope or Templar and now as those Rothschilds in charge of the world economy.
For example they got Marcelo Ficili to translate the Corpus Hermeticum under the title De Brix. Brix and Bruttii and de Bruges or The House of Bruce is the same elite as The House of David.
The definition of Time Travel has been addressed already - one cannot physically interact with 'potentials' not yet real.
But spirit (energy) operates according to Laws which will prevent some abuse of power - though many power-mongers are great sorcerers - including the Borgia/De Medicis who kept science knowledge of these things to their own cadre while Pope or Templar and now as those Rothschilds in charge of the world economy.
For example they got Marcelo Ficili to translate the Corpus Hermeticum under the title De Brix. Brix and Bruttii and de Bruges or The House of Bruce is the same elite as The House of David.
Who said you cannot utilize it - and since when were knowledge seekers only interested in what they can bank? Hawking knows Time Travel exists as I have demonstrated. That does not mean he knows all there is to know - does it?
Randi has actually exposed some frauds, hasn't he? And if he should expose the unworthy and the fraudulent, isn't that a service to the honest people?
the FRAUD is that FEAR mongers like RANDI who deny what is REAL. The law of SPIRIT is why RANDI cannot get his proof.
Randi has indeed exposed other fakirs and in one case he was helped by Dr Gary Schwartz who helped him beat a lawsuit. Now Gary is an actual scientist and invited Randi and Shermer to witness and verify the process and experimentation on psychics like Jon Edard in The Afterlife Experiment (book). Randi and Shermer both stated they saw no reason to doubt the results reported and yet they said it must be FRAUD!
Groovy isn't it? They saw it was good science but they had their pre-conceived notions and declared it was a FRAUD.
This proclamation without investigation is the stock and trade of their ilk.
Groovy isn't it? They saw it was good science but they had their pre-conceived notions and declared it was a FRAUD.
This proclamation without investigation is the stock and trade of their ilk.
There have been many cases of investigation by The Amazing Randi. I have not read the one of Jon Edard. Some have been produced as television segments.
Of course you won't see the Amazing one pulling his pants down on shows by his producers or those that promote him. Thus they do not have his evaluation of Jon Edward and the book and experiments conducted by Dr Schwartz of the University system in Arizona or Billy Meier at the top of his programming. Meier predicted many things and has a track record Randi had to admit was no hoax. His alien involvement is of interest - does that mean Randi believes in alien interference - I doubt it.
What I doubt is the factuality of your claims, RTB. It is quite possible is that all this 'evidence' you speak of is not as sound as you wish it to be, and is not proven beyond reasonable doubt.
but of course I'm sure this is FEAR talking, due to my HOBBSIAN programming that DEnies the REAL spiritual law of 'AS EXTRAPOLATED, SO INTERPOLATED' which is under assault by the Merovingian alien multidimensional WAR complex
but of course I'm sure this is FEAR talking, due to my HOBBSIAN programming that DEnies the REAL spiritual law of 'AS EXTRAPOLATED, SO INTERPOLATED' which is under assault by the Merovingian alien multidimensional WAR complex
Highly doubting my evidence eh? Yesterday you admitted I had quoted all the adepts and top scientists and were asking for something personal rather than scienitific analysis - today you doubt it. HMM?! I see you have a true identity crisis - are you also suffering MPD?
can you point out where I agreed with your evidence against Randi? or even where I agreed that your use of 'expert witnesses' was flawless? I recall no such statements or implications. Perhaps you are 'creatively' putting words in my mouth?
We weren't talking about Randi and I wasn't presenting evidence about him. I mentioned a couple of things you could check into and books you could read - but of course that is a fruitless dialectic with you.
this doesn't prove that I am experiencing any kind of 'identity crisis' or 'MPD' as you put it. Nice try, though
Seems to me the EVIDENCE is like that for UFO's - out of focus and always in the distance, or with a visible ACME stamp.
Like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?
I gave up wishful thinking many years ago.
I gave up wishful thinking many years ago.
Nagual Series II - Free Will? We Create Our Own Reality? - NOT
"Our nagual creates the major themes in our life. It is up to us to fill in the details."
The subject of free will has come up recently on the forum. It's time to look at it and some other baby metaphysical concepts such as 'we create our own reality'.
We have no free will, nor do we create our own reality. These were concepts that became popular during the 70's and 80's among 'new agers' and they now have become beliefs established in the dream of mass consciousness. They were necessary to bring about the realization that we are responsible for our thoughts, feelings, and actions. It is not a savior outside of ourselves that will absolve us of all of our sins. We alone are responsible for our own salvation.
But it is time to graduate from baby metaphysics and realize that we do not create our reality, nor do we really have free will. Many on this board have come to this realization already, or have sincerely questioned these new age beliefs.
On the other hand it is equally incorrect to say that all of our life is predetermined, that we have no choice in life, or that we are chosen for a pre-determined destiny that we will fulfill whether we like it or not. It is incorrect to say that all of what happens in our life happens for a reason. This is more baby metaphysics. The fact is that most of the events in an average man's life occur accidentally.
Philosophers would call this a paradox. But a Toltec sees no contradiction here. Paradoxes are for the mental body. When one begins to 'see', paradoxes fall away into knowingness.
Our nagual aspect is the unstructured part of ourselves. It is UNLIMITED. Our destiny and major themes of our life are set up by our nagual. Our tonal is our personality aspect, which consists of our mental, emotional and physical bodies, is our structured aspect. Our personality contains our POTENTIAL. If we fully align our tonal to our nagual we have UNLIMITED POTENTIAL.
We have absolutely no control over our nagual. Our nagual is much, much bigger and many times more powerful than we are. As organic beings we identify with our tonal, our personality self (mental, emotional and physical bodies). The average human has no awareness at all of their nagual. They only know their tonal, and actually know very little about that.
Mexican Spanish has a word, mitote, which was originally a Toltec word meaning chaos and disorder. It was originally used to describe a market place where you have a thousand people talking to each other at the same time and nobody understands each other. The Toltecs use the word mitote to describe the average person's mind. Our tonal actually consists of a thousand different I's each contradicting each other. We have many buffers in our personality that blind us to our contradictions. Each of these I's have different desires, different wills and depending on which particular I we are identified with in the moment, we will make decisions and take actions that may be totally contradictory to another moment when another one of the I's in our chaotic market place.
This is the average state of the human. It is a very difficult place to be in. From this state it is impossible to sense or to be aware of our nagual aspect. It vibrates way too high. The only way out is to muster up as much intent as we can to begin to get some of our thousands of I's to align up.
Ultimately we want all of these subpersonalities to align to our nagual. But as it is near impossible to know our nagual when living in Chaos we must first align them to something outside of ourselves. We may align them to a teacher or nagual. Or we may begin to align our-selves to books and other teachings that ring true to us. One by one we must rigorously stalk the I's in our tonal, processing them while bringing down our buffers. This is very difficult as it requires brute honesty with our-selves, all aspects of our-selves.
This can take a lifetime for some. But until we are able to process and heal our personality selves to a degree where we have a sufficient 'mass' of subpersonalities in alignment, we do not have enough personal power to access our nagual. And true growth only begins when we are working directly with our nagual.
Returning to free will and creating our reality, we can see that in a state of chaos with so many contractions in ourselves we are virtually powerless. In this state there is no way we can truly create our reality. We only fool ourselves into believing we can. It is very easy to fool ourselves when we have so many buffers in ourselves that blind us from ourselves. In this state of chaos what we choose and what we will is solely dependent on what particular subpersonality we are identifying with in the moment. More often than not, which subpersonality is manifesting through ourselves is determined by some thing or event outside of ourselves. This is not free will. The average man lives by the law of accident, not the law of destiny.
When we align ourselves to our nagual we are then able to manifest the nagual in our lives. We are aligned to and fulfill our destiny. Living naguals are very powerful as they are in alignment with their nagual aspect. Their tonal is aligned to their nagual. In some paths this state is called self-realization. The personality self is fully realized (aligned to) the higher self.
Many want to skip dealing with their personality selves and go directly to the nagual. They want to believe that a warrior's life is something different than their own. I personally am guilty of this. I wanted to have out of bodies, run energy, dream and have all the oohs and ahs. I got to be pretty efficient at doing these things. I didn't want to deal with my personality self and had convinced myself that 'only other people have problems, I was above that stuff'. But you can only go so far running high frequencies of energy without working on your tonal. Power will eventually come and knock you on your ass. It knocked me down so low that I was suicidal for over a year. For more than 3 years I was in more pain than I could have ever imagined was possible, and I was totally powerless. It was a very ugly place to be in.
But now my life is very different. I still remember those painful years. And I can recall my life prior to that. But when I finally made it out the other side I stepped into a new probability that I could have never imagined existed. This evening when running my nagual opened and spoke to me the entire time I was running. Normally, when running I open to my nagual and I get glimpses and flashes of knowingness on how to live my life. But tonight, my nagual opened to me and was in a very talkative mood ;-)
To finish three quickies . . .
* Eventually you will get to the place where your teacher is your own nagual aspect. It is not a book or someone outside of you. Then when you speak to others of your path you will have true origin-ality. The origin of your knowledge comes from your origin, your nagual.
* The word impeccable means 'without sin'. Sin is defined as a 'transgression against God.' As God is unknowable we are left with our nagual aspect. I would define sin as a 'transgression against our nagual aspect.' To be impeccable means to be without sin or to be in alignment with our nagual.
* For humans truth is not absolute. It is relative to our level of growth. Truth has a purpose for that particular level of growth. Often the purpose behind the truth is more important than the truth itself. Example - the purpose of instilling the belief/truth that 'we create our own reality' was to make people aware that they are responsible for their growth and their lives(not a savior or God outside of themselves). A more accurate truth is that we don't create our own reality, our destiny has already been created by our nagual. But, to realise our destiny we must align our tonal to our nagual. Only we can do this. Our nagual will not do it for us. Again, the purpose of this truth is the same as the first truth - we are responsible for our growth, no one else, no other entity outside of ourself, we are responsible. Whichever 'truth' you believe, the purpose is the same, only you are responsible for your growth, your life. Eventually you will get to the point where you have no beliefs/truths. You will not need them. For you will know your purpose.
http://www.toltecnagual.com/main/series/nagualII.htm
"Our nagual creates the major themes in our life. It is up to us to fill in the details."
The subject of free will has come up recently on the forum. It's time to look at it and some other baby metaphysical concepts such as 'we create our own reality'.
We have no free will, nor do we create our own reality. These were concepts that became popular during the 70's and 80's among 'new agers' and they now have become beliefs established in the dream of mass consciousness. They were necessary to bring about the realization that we are responsible for our thoughts, feelings, and actions. It is not a savior outside of ourselves that will absolve us of all of our sins. We alone are responsible for our own salvation.
But it is time to graduate from baby metaphysics and realize that we do not create our reality, nor do we really have free will. Many on this board have come to this realization already, or have sincerely questioned these new age beliefs.
On the other hand it is equally incorrect to say that all of our life is predetermined, that we have no choice in life, or that we are chosen for a pre-determined destiny that we will fulfill whether we like it or not. It is incorrect to say that all of what happens in our life happens for a reason. This is more baby metaphysics. The fact is that most of the events in an average man's life occur accidentally.
Philosophers would call this a paradox. But a Toltec sees no contradiction here. Paradoxes are for the mental body. When one begins to 'see', paradoxes fall away into knowingness.
Our nagual aspect is the unstructured part of ourselves. It is UNLIMITED. Our destiny and major themes of our life are set up by our nagual. Our tonal is our personality aspect, which consists of our mental, emotional and physical bodies, is our structured aspect. Our personality contains our POTENTIAL. If we fully align our tonal to our nagual we have UNLIMITED POTENTIAL.
We have absolutely no control over our nagual. Our nagual is much, much bigger and many times more powerful than we are. As organic beings we identify with our tonal, our personality self (mental, emotional and physical bodies). The average human has no awareness at all of their nagual. They only know their tonal, and actually know very little about that.
Mexican Spanish has a word, mitote, which was originally a Toltec word meaning chaos and disorder. It was originally used to describe a market place where you have a thousand people talking to each other at the same time and nobody understands each other. The Toltecs use the word mitote to describe the average person's mind. Our tonal actually consists of a thousand different I's each contradicting each other. We have many buffers in our personality that blind us to our contradictions. Each of these I's have different desires, different wills and depending on which particular I we are identified with in the moment, we will make decisions and take actions that may be totally contradictory to another moment when another one of the I's in our chaotic market place.
This is the average state of the human. It is a very difficult place to be in. From this state it is impossible to sense or to be aware of our nagual aspect. It vibrates way too high. The only way out is to muster up as much intent as we can to begin to get some of our thousands of I's to align up.
Ultimately we want all of these subpersonalities to align to our nagual. But as it is near impossible to know our nagual when living in Chaos we must first align them to something outside of ourselves. We may align them to a teacher or nagual. Or we may begin to align our-selves to books and other teachings that ring true to us. One by one we must rigorously stalk the I's in our tonal, processing them while bringing down our buffers. This is very difficult as it requires brute honesty with our-selves, all aspects of our-selves.
This can take a lifetime for some. But until we are able to process and heal our personality selves to a degree where we have a sufficient 'mass' of subpersonalities in alignment, we do not have enough personal power to access our nagual. And true growth only begins when we are working directly with our nagual.
Returning to free will and creating our reality, we can see that in a state of chaos with so many contractions in ourselves we are virtually powerless. In this state there is no way we can truly create our reality. We only fool ourselves into believing we can. It is very easy to fool ourselves when we have so many buffers in ourselves that blind us from ourselves. In this state of chaos what we choose and what we will is solely dependent on what particular subpersonality we are identifying with in the moment. More often than not, which subpersonality is manifesting through ourselves is determined by some thing or event outside of ourselves. This is not free will. The average man lives by the law of accident, not the law of destiny.
When we align ourselves to our nagual we are then able to manifest the nagual in our lives. We are aligned to and fulfill our destiny. Living naguals are very powerful as they are in alignment with their nagual aspect. Their tonal is aligned to their nagual. In some paths this state is called self-realization. The personality self is fully realized (aligned to) the higher self.
Many want to skip dealing with their personality selves and go directly to the nagual. They want to believe that a warrior's life is something different than their own. I personally am guilty of this. I wanted to have out of bodies, run energy, dream and have all the oohs and ahs. I got to be pretty efficient at doing these things. I didn't want to deal with my personality self and had convinced myself that 'only other people have problems, I was above that stuff'. But you can only go so far running high frequencies of energy without working on your tonal. Power will eventually come and knock you on your ass. It knocked me down so low that I was suicidal for over a year. For more than 3 years I was in more pain than I could have ever imagined was possible, and I was totally powerless. It was a very ugly place to be in.
But now my life is very different. I still remember those painful years. And I can recall my life prior to that. But when I finally made it out the other side I stepped into a new probability that I could have never imagined existed. This evening when running my nagual opened and spoke to me the entire time I was running. Normally, when running I open to my nagual and I get glimpses and flashes of knowingness on how to live my life. But tonight, my nagual opened to me and was in a very talkative mood ;-)
To finish three quickies . . .
* Eventually you will get to the place where your teacher is your own nagual aspect. It is not a book or someone outside of you. Then when you speak to others of your path you will have true origin-ality. The origin of your knowledge comes from your origin, your nagual.
* The word impeccable means 'without sin'. Sin is defined as a 'transgression against God.' As God is unknowable we are left with our nagual aspect. I would define sin as a 'transgression against our nagual aspect.' To be impeccable means to be without sin or to be in alignment with our nagual.
* For humans truth is not absolute. It is relative to our level of growth. Truth has a purpose for that particular level of growth. Often the purpose behind the truth is more important than the truth itself. Example - the purpose of instilling the belief/truth that 'we create our own reality' was to make people aware that they are responsible for their growth and their lives(not a savior or God outside of themselves). A more accurate truth is that we don't create our own reality, our destiny has already been created by our nagual. But, to realise our destiny we must align our tonal to our nagual. Only we can do this. Our nagual will not do it for us. Again, the purpose of this truth is the same as the first truth - we are responsible for our growth, no one else, no other entity outside of ourself, we are responsible. Whichever 'truth' you believe, the purpose is the same, only you are responsible for your growth, your life. Eventually you will get to the point where you have no beliefs/truths. You will not need them. For you will know your purpose.
http://www.toltecnagual.com/main/series/nagualII.htm
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