So this 'Stone' dictated how the antiquital world spun.

Yet, these people were drug induced whenever the Oracle 'spoke' to them.

"This was where all those wishing to consult the Oracle would come. The Oracle of Delphi was a spiritual experience, in which advice and questions were asked to the spirit of Apollo. The reply from Apollo would be channelled through priestesses, known as Pythia, who would be seated on a tripod over a mysterious chasm that expelled mystic vapours, said to enhance the channelling of Apollo."

I wonder what these vapours were that would induce 'delusional' (for that is what it must have been as a result of the brain being externally altered, as in today's drug infested society, but we do not take the rantings of drugies as intuitional and spiritual guidance pertaining to how society will evolve, do we?) recomendations from mythological sources as to what Greek, or any other society for that matter, should or shouldn't do.

1) How can it? (Reasons stated above)
2) Please read my post Of Dr. Maurice Bucke in 'Quantum Physics and Consciousness', for he lays this idea out in comprehensible dialogue.
3) After reading your link from above, I was about to ask you the same thing.
4) Correlation to what?
5) Yes, buildings that we consciously created do have an unconscious control of how the mind percieves, subtley but surely. Here I direct you to information I'm going to get and post ASAP. Also art does act thusly in this regard, so the artist (the informed artist) does play a pivotal role in how and what future society, will intellectually and cognitively evovle. Again this occurs both at the conscious and unconscious level.

Bear with me here, for what you are after is a buttload of data.

In the last recorded message of the Delphi Oracle, which is posted above, one finds interesting phrase “talkative spring.”

I think it is very impressive phrase.

Note the last sentence “Even the talkative spring has dried up and is no more.”

Here I want to remind about remarkable essay of Sir Francis Bacon “Orpheus or Philosophy” from Wisdom of the Ancients. Sir Francis writes about Helicon river waters which disappear there where wisdom (and Muses) is (are) ignored and which appear in other places for other nations. He compares them with philosophy.

Orpheus himself was torn to pieces by the women in their fury, and his limbs scattered about the fields: at whose death Helicon river in grief and indignation, buried his waters under the earth to reappear elsewhere.

Interesting “morphology.”

· Art is specifically used to help provide support to cognitive reflection in science, although in a wider sense art and cognition are intimately associated.
· Art attempts to evoke remnants of the past and provide faint traces of distant memories.
· Art comes from deep organic impulses that are innate and stem from both an experienced external and internal reality and of personal genetic encoding.
· Art is shaped by present day societal requirements and psychological needs.
· Artwork is not an isolated physical phenomenon; it is a manifestation of a specific moment in the historical process of life.
· Art attempts to embrace human experience of all sorts and transmit it to the observer.
· Art should take the top of your head off.
· My art is imbued with mathematical and geometrical motifs.
· My art is striving to reinforce the fact that we live in a mathematically organized world / universe.
· Exploring sensory impressions of the material world and translate them into a personal language of lines, surfaces, forms, and colours.
· How has society shaped the space of planet Earth? Mathematically and mechanically.
· Re-establish societies’ awareness of the mathematical foundation of all humanity.
· We shape our buildings and afterwards our buildings shape us.
· How does a physical setting influence interpersonal behaviour?
· How do variations in spatial dimensions affect interpersonal behaviour?
· The physical environment affects interpersonal behaviour by limiting a person’s behavioural choices.
· Mathematics is the language of nature.
· Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
· If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns immerge.
· Therefore there are patterns everywhere in nature.
· Evidence; the cycling of disease epidemics; the wax and wane of caribou populations; sunspot cycles; the rise and fall of the Nile.
· If were built from spirals, while living in a giant spiral, then everything we put our hand to is infused with the spiral (‘PI’).
· Combine the human figure with components of mechanized society.
· Breathe order into chaos – order within disorder.
· Impose your own order on your own chaos.
· There is order and an underlying pattern.
· Societies attempt to transform humans into machines.
· Reduce life to its quantitative mechanical components.
· Crawling out from the turbid depths of our ignorance.
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more to come

Arts and Technics ( ? ) – Lewis Mumford

· Art is one of the ways in which man re-orders, reflects upon, and represents his experiences to himself, attempting to arrest life in its perpetual flux and movement.
· In a work of art an artist says: “I am here and in me life has taken a certain form. My life must not pass till I master its meaning and value. What I have seen and felt and thought and imagined seems to me important: so important that I will try to convey it to you through a common language of symbols and forms, with something of the concentration, some of the intensity, some of the passionate delight that I carry to the highest pitch in myself through the very act of expression. With the aid of art I give you, in the present, the experience of a lifetime: the potentialities of many lifetimes. These aesthetic moments endow life with a new meaning, and these new meanings, heighten life with other aesthetic moments.
· Each fresh work of art is unique, because it is the representation of the unique experience of a creative moment in life.
· With the expression of a true work of art, the goodness of life is affirmed, and life itself renewed.
· The work of art springs out of the artist’s original experience, becomes a new experience, both for him and the participator, and then further by its independent existence enriches the consciousness of the whole community.
· The opposite of art is insensibility, depersonalization, failure of creativity, empty repetition, vacuous routine, a life that is mute, unexpressed, formless, disorderly, unrealized, meaningless.
· All that art is and does rests upon the fact that when a man is in a healthy state, he takes life seriously, as something sacred and potentially significant.
· The artist must respect his own creativity. As soon as he loses faith in his own potential significance and value, he reduces himself to the status of an animal that has lost the sureness of his elemental instinctual responses.
· What exists outside man, the artist takes into himself and transmutes what exists in himself, as sensation, feeling, emotion, intuition, insight, rationality, he projects outside himself in firms and sequences not given in nature.
· The fact is that the organic and creative, the mechanical and automatic, are present in every manifestation of life, above all within the human organism itself.
· Through a philosophic foundation of mainly false beliefs, we allow our balance to be upset, and we have to actively regain the dynamic equilibrium in which state alone the higher functions – those that promote art, morality, and freedom can flourish.
· Art will bring us into more fruitful and loving relations with other people, whose hidden depths will flow, through the symbols of art, into our own.
· With self-discipline, we shall in time control the tempo and rhythm of our days: control the quantity of stimuli that impinge upon us.

Technics and Civilization (1963) – Lewis Mumford

· 18th century automation, step from naturalism to mechanisms.
· The next move is to remove the organic symbol entirely.
· Mechanization and regimentation have been projected and embodied in organized forms, which now dominate every aspect of our existence.
· Surrendering to the machine.
· Three phases of the machine and civilization: 1. The first wave came in the 10th century in an effort to achieve order and power by purely external means, turned away from the momentous moral and social difficulties that it had neither confronted nor solved. 2. The second wave came in the 18th century, where external regimentation and internal resistance went hand in hand. 3. Modern day.
· The characteristic properties of emerging order – its patterns, its planes, its angles of polarization, and its colours.
· Can one, in the process of crystallization, remove the turbid (muddy, not clear) residues left behind by our earlier forms of thought?
· Machines have developed out of a complex of non-organic agents for converting energy, for performing work, for enlarging the mechanical or sensory capacities of the human body, or for reducing to a measurable order and regularity the regularity the processes of life.
· The tool lends itself to manipulation, the machine to automatic action.
· The Universe as ordered by God.
· No two cultures live conceptually in the same time and space.
· Kant “Time and space are categories of the mind.”

The Myth of the Machine – The Pentagon of Power ( ? ) – Lewis Mumford

· At every point in development, the concrete, the empirical, and the historical on the one hand and the abstract, the mathematical and the analytical on the other, have both been necessary for forming an adequate picture of reality.
· Types of business personalities: finders, collectors, fabricators, manipulators, etc.
· Every man is a dabbler, if not a master in all knowledge. Every man is a divine, a physician, and a lawyer to himself, as well as a counsellor to his neighbours.
· 16th century mechanistic conversion of society – purely mechanical forms were superimposed upon every manifestation of life, thereby suppressing many of the most essential characteristics of organisms, personalities, and human communities.
· 16th century depersonalized world picture – mechanical activity and interests took precedence over more human concerns.
· Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Descartes, Leibnitz, Newton were the driving forces in this transformation. Also note Boyle, Maxwell and Planck.
· Marxist historians see feudalism as a universal historical stage through which all societies must pass before the emergence of capitalism.
· Whereas many of the older ideologies of life had mistakenly accepted a static, earth centred world, with only the most limited possibilities of change, mostly of a cyclical or apocalyptic order, the new ideology fostered an intense interest in space, time, motion, in their widest cosmic setting, not the settings in which organisms actually function in their earthly habitat, intermingled with other organisms, pursuing their own further life potentialities.
· Abstract motion took possession of Western mind. the rotation of the earth, the majestic geometric path of the planets, the swing of the pendulum, the arc described by hurtling projectiles, the exact motions of clockwork, and the rotations of watch wheels.
· Speed shortens time, time was money, and money was power.
· Farther and farther, faster and faster, became identified with human progress.
· Metaphors and analogies derived from the machine were applied shrewdly, if coarsely, to organisms in order to reduce life to its quantitative mechanical and chemical components. This seemed an infallible method of eliminating the ultimate mystery of life itself.
· Western man’s views of the new world – the geographic new world, with the Sun as the centre of the universe, the mechanical new world, and historical time, which released man from the grasp of his unconscious past, with its buried traumas and its futile repetition of attested errors.
· The human figure as a mechanized automaton – that which is self-moving, self-acting machine; a mechanical contrivance, which imitates the arbitrary or voluntary motions of living beings; a person who acts mechanically.
· Mechanization of the world picture.

Could mathematics be interpreted as a sort of oracle?

TRIP

There is a close relationship. Here are some observations to dovetail with that.

Unknown (Shawn?) said Mumford saw that.

Bucky Fuller sure saw that and he also said the very ancient mariners who went by the stars (astrology too is oracular) across the horizon - which is at least 825,000 years ago - would have learned geometry and trig.

The I Ching which is based on Runic Ogham systems includes S-Matrix math and it is definitely divinatory - Physicist Fritjof Capra.

Dr. Don Robins in his Secret Language of Stone is all over this 'chasm we must cross to understand the ancient megalith builders' - the Red Headed League or De Danaan.

I am also a good example of one who intuits or taps-in to these things in discussions with advanced math professors and candidates for doctorates when in personal conversations - or 'trips'.

Dear Enki

A first!

You did some relevant research on the clue I left.

The 'bubbling spring' (which is another phrase of 'eternal spring') is a code for the alchemical arts. You will find it referred to by Bloom in the interpretation of The Gospel of Thomas though he did not say the Gaedhil Alexandrian Samaritan/Gnostics are remnants of the Druidic peryllats.

The head teacher or rabbi (Abaris means rabbi) of Pythagoras/Orpheus [Thracian kapnobatai' - see my book Diverse Druids] is Abaris the Druid or Hyperborean [see John Toland]. He was the last to complete the whole course as it was already disappearing due to the fractionating of the Verbal (Bairdic) Tradition or the teaching of the Bairds (Language of the BRDS - now called Birds). He went to many places to get all the roots or remnants and is rumored to have been with Zoroaster of your Farsi types (Medes are remnants of Pont and that is your Armenian roots) as well as to the Great Pyramid. Thus the Sarman to Tarim to gymnosophist or Yoga groups that flowed from and I trace back to Tarim are in his provenance.

The Oracles were Dryads at one point but Empire sought to control them and lead people through them just as they use TV today.

Archaeology has definitely proven those gases were hallucinogenic.

I am scrolling down through these good messages and I have seen the 'Stone' referred to. I look forward to seeing if someone actually came upon The Great Work that fakirs like Bacon never made but some he sought to associate with were able to do.

Nope - no reference to the STONE and I wonder if the Stone that became the one used to crown the kings of Scotland which is stolen by the Brits and a copy (probably) returned to them - is in fact originally such a Philosopher's Stone. It came from the founders of Greece.

Back to the old egotist eh. As Trip said - grow up.

Clearly I put the Orpheus/Pythagoras thought out there first and clearly you actually made a post that made sense as a result - a first.

I do not spend time reading your long, boring writings.
Forget about me, find someone else.

Dear Enki

As I have told you before - I will continue to correct your raving and terrorist diatribes whenever I see them and whenever I feel like it. Sorry if giving you a kudo for actually making a little sense for once upsets you. You really should try reading some of your inputs here - they are such garbage that it is no wonder you get little more than the attacks you do.

To those who are interested here is another good link about Delphi Oracle:

http://www.sikyon.com/Delphi/history_eg.html

And please do not pay attention on posts which have not relation with Delphi Oracle.

Please also pay serious attention to the following passage:

Delphi, a religious and cultural center, imposed for the first time in human history international law, prohibiting the execution of prisoners of war or the pollution the waters of wells and destruction of aqueducts.
Delphi influenced Greece not only religiously, but in education and literature, in art and trade and mainly on colonization.

By the way, I need a small help:

For several years I cannot find notes of Sir Christopher Wren about Delphi Oracle. If anybody knows where I can find his remarks about Delphi Oracle please let me known. I will highly appreciate that.

"Wren, Sir Christopher. 1632-1723. English architect who designed more than 50 London churches, most notably Saint Paul's Cathedral (1675-1710). His secular works include the Sheldonian Theatre in Oxford (1664-1669) and Trinity College Library in Cambridge (1676-1684)."

I think the through line of your investigations is a lot like this site.

http://emp.byui.edu/DavisR/101/Dates.htm

Keep your stupid comments for yourself Robert.

It is from The American Heritage Dictionary for those who do not know who is Sir Christopher.

You are starting to make me angry Robert.
Maybe somebody in this big world will venture to protect
poor Enki from teasings of Robert the Bruce?
I am thankful in advance.

You say:

It is from The American Heritage Dictionary for those who do not know who is Sir Christopher.

I say:

Are we dealing with a teenager here?

You are a primitive and negative person RTB.

The period of existence of Delphi Oracle was very glorious period of mankind. That 1000 years showed that existence of pure Source of Correlation is very important for the advancement of Civilization.

I think the New Atlantis of Sir Francis is an attempt to create new Source of Correlation in the from of new House of Solomon.

Sir Francis was probably the illegitimate offspring of QEI and his brother was a spy just as he was a made man in the Stuart Hibernian BEES group that included ownership of land in Nova Scotia where a Baird was the Baron and head protector of the bank that had brought the Stuarts the ill-gotten gains of secret trade with the Americas for many many millennia. His Utopian books are inspired by the Incan government where I definitely demonstrate his ilk had been going back to the pre-Ceramic period there.

Enki would not know what a 'primitive' might know - he has a long way to go before he will be merely 'negative'.

Do you like the gestalt or mirror you are getting?

Dear Enki

You say:

You are starting to make me angry Robert.
Maybe somebody in this big world will venture to protect
poor Enki from teasings of Robert the Bruce?
I am thankful in advance.

I say:

Angry is not the word for what you are - mad is appropriate.

You have been that way since long before the glint in your father's eye led to your existence. It is a function of your 'triggers' and name. The area of the world you inhabit still seeks 'somebody in this big world' to 'venture to protect' you. And we are all the poorer for it.

You say:

Keep your stupid comments for yourself Robert.

I say:

This macho ethic that precludes free speech is at the root of the treatment of people including the women in your part of the world, that is all involved with the lack of ethics that causes the Holy Wars your people have wrought upon this Earth. As Jung notes 'the Ur-Stories' (With Enki and EL) are so very much a part of our present dilemmas.

Dear Dan

You say:

RTB and I have developed a special relationship where we vacillate between aggressive confrontation and civil comments. It must be therapeutic
Maybe you will learn to be satisfied with the state of things, maybe not

I say:

Good luck with Enki getting to the point of learning or 'satisfied with the state of things'.

Yes, I think your negative comments have reason to challenge me to deal with things in more detail - and I enjoy that and thank you for them. Keep it 'up'!

does this mean we're 'frienemies'?

Sounds good to me. I think you ask pretty good questions - and questions is all we really ever will end up with.

VERY sick puppy! Gestalt would not be enough for you - methinks. As to Francis - facts are facts and his good name is and always was in question when he ran things like the Star Chamber - or do you ever read any facts?

Here is a very good and excellent Article related with some “Applications” of Delphi Oracle technique in consulting:

http://www.isce.edu/site/Downs_Durant_Carr.pdf

Besides there are many interesting references at the end of the article.

Strongly recommend to read it, it is just 6 pages long.

Dear Enki

Knock yourself out - we all know your nature.

And your support of Sir Francis is probably part of your personal issues - are you in favor of pederasts?

Francis Bacon abuses the astrologers of his day no less than the alchemists, but he does so because he has visions of a reformed astrology and a reformed alchemy.

Many believe that Francis Bacon, among others, was the true author of some of William Shakespeare's plays. There is currently research being done to determine the true origins of Shakespeare's works.

The fact that Francis Bacon was essentially gay is not a rumor, though it has been suppressed. It was mentioned— with disapproval— by John Aubrey and by the Puritan moralist Sir Simonds D'Ewes (Bacon's fellow Member of Parliament) in his Autobiography and Correspondence though the passages were cut in the printed edition of 1845.

The above is from Wikipedia.

What you did Robert?!!!
Do you understand what you did?!!!

I exposed another side of your affliction and needs to support things you do not research.

Dear Enki

You say:

QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Sep 25, 10:00 PM)
VERY sick puppy! Gestalt would not be enough for you - methinks. As to Francis - facts are facts and his good name is and always was in question when he ran things like the Star Chamber - or do you ever read any facts?

Are you threatening me Robert the Bruce?
Are you terrorizing

I say:

I suspect you do not know what Gestalt is - look at some other threads and do some research - we have covered it before.

As to your puerile or pubescent attempt to accuse me of threatening you - the terrorist - it is at best a weak and feeble mind that you exhibit and I have no desire to harm you - just protect others who might actually buy the garbage you represent.

My current book The Hegelian Dialectic will have this on Bacon - if you can prove something I say is incorrect I will consider revising it.

There are few commonly known people who have as much mystery attached to them. This is a man who acted as a God, though some did say he was the Devil, as his foes brought him down. Some of the things he claims or others claimed for him are false or plagiarized. I think he was one of the greatest public figures of all time. Public figures seldom live up to their billing upon close scrutiny and this is one example where the exception proves the norm.


His personal motto is said to be “bene visit qui bene latuit - One lives best by the hidden life�. He is mentioned alongside one of the founders of Illuminism (Goethe) and Thomas Jefferson was a great admirer of Bacon and the more truly alchemical personage of The Royal Society named Sir Isaac Newton. One can thus credit him as a founding father of the ‘Enlightenment Experiment’ in politics called The United States of America which proudly displays the New World Order symbology on its old greenback. When average people on the street understand these ‘hidden’ or occult forces that have caused the world to be ruled in these ways – then there is a chance for a true New World Order.


His brother may not have been his real full brother but that is because Francis may have been the illegitimate son of the great Queen Elizabeth whose sister Mary may also have borne a child who was killed or died and yet another became the King bearing that child’s name. Francis’ brother and John Dee were probably part of something we could call MI6 or the CIA today and Francis as Star Chamber head was in fact more powerful than King James. If that isn’t confusing enough, there is the intrigue as to whether he was part of a group who had full knowledge of the Americas for a long time (In the Stuart family who were fighting others as the Jacobins throughout much of Europe for a long time.). Add to that the situation regarding Shakespeare and his pretense at being the alchemist his namesake Roger had been centuries before, and you get more than one book’s worth of stuff to wade through. Allow me to quote something and then get back to my own researches and opinions about some or all of these things in brief. I have written many books that end up dealing with these people even though I started out thinking they were not so involved.


“The brethren of the Rosy Cross, also known as the Rosicrucians, were one of the sub rosa or underground societies that existed during this time. It was a very important principle among these free thinkers that they would never give up the secrets of their society, even if their life was endangered as a result. A member of the Rosy Cross once stated:


‘We wrap ourselves in mystery in order to avoid the censure and violent importunity of those who don't regard us as philosophers, but wanting in common prudence even though we employ our knowledge to some worldly use and profit.’


A great affinity existed between the Rosy Cross and the Order of Freemasons, their main difference being that the Rosy Cross was a secret society while the Freemasons were a society with secrets. English Freemasonry was revived and openly tolerated under the reign of King James, primarily due to Francis Bacon's influence on the king.


Since Bacon and his most intimate friends were part of a network of Rosicrucians, Freemasons and Illuminati, he was able to encourage the distribution of their knowledge in other countries as well as throughout England. Masonic symbology appeared in many of Bacon's published works, and it is especially significant that the 1623 Shakespeare folio contains Masonic symbols and cryptic messages.


The Catholic Church, acting as a front for the politics of the Vatican, had many spies in England whose missions were to meddle in Protestant affairs and undermine the ruling Protestant monarchy. In fact, a letter once left on Queen Elizabeth's pillow warned her that continued opposition to Rome would result in the death of any child she might bear, and this may have persuaded her to retain her public image of the Virgin Queen indefinitely. In case that wasn't a direct enough attack on Elizabeth, the Pope even openly declared in a letter:


‘Whosoever sends her [meaning Elizabeth] out of the world would be doing God a service so glorious a work.’


In 1592, the French King Henry IV, who had facilitated English schemes against the Pope, woke up one morning to find the heads of five of his illegitimate sons nestled against him in his bed. Henry then publicly denounced Protestantism and converted to Catholicism.


As Machiavelli once said: ‘There is generally but a short interval between the prison and the graves of princes.’� (3)


Bacon was greatly supportive of Machiavelli but he was never quite as honest as that man who also served the De Medicis/Rothschild/Merovingian complex I call BEES. In research for a book on Shakespeare and Bacon as well as Jonson and other fathers of the Age of Enlightenment I discovered that Bacon had published the first five plays of Shakespeare. He put an encrypted message in it, that he figured someone would eventually decode and give him credit for having written Shakespeare. It was a wild time trying to grasp the nature of Bacon as well as his very public persona. Some books had him being knighted as much as ten years apart from each other. I can not say if he was a Stuart son of Elizabeth for sure and I suspect James the King was indeed not a Stuart by blood. Some think he was a baby taken to replace the dead son of Mary that was found in a passageway off her bedroom in the 19th Century. Bacon’s utopian writings are based on knowledge of the Incan system of social governance and I do indeed think his financial involvements in the Americas were based on long term inside information.


Consider this; it is now well known that the Norse were in America at the beginning of his millennium – we still argue about the extent of this knowledge and I certainly think it was long before this that huge monopolies existed amongst the BEES. I will give you another excerpt relating to Benjaminites in Iberia and leave it at that, because all of history and the truth thereof, which I try to capture, is involved.


“In Spain, ‘...these fleets of Tarshish were Semitic/Phoenician in Nature’ (Lost Ten Tribes...Found, Collins, p.79). So this Tarshish in western Spain cannot mean the Japthetic Tarshish of Genesis 10:4. And ‘...in the word Tharshish identifies this navy with one of the clans of the Israelite tribe of Benjamin, which was named 'Tharshish' (1 Chronicles 7:10)... Dr. Barry Fell observed that the language of Tartessus/Tarshish in ancient Spain was 'no more than a dialectal variant of Phoenician’ (ibid, p.79). So the Tarshish in the west in Spain were the Israelites, primarily of the Tribe of Benjamin


But it appears that in the Biblical references concerning the 'ships of Tarshish', they went to a far eastern place called Tarshish, whose father was called "Javan" i.e. "Japan." (Gen 10:4).


Looking at 1 Kings 10:22, 2 Chronicles 9:21, and 2 Chronicles 20:36 we can reasonably conclude that Solomon had a navy whose home port was Ezion-Geber on the north shore of the Gulf of Aqabah, which provided commercial access into the Red Sea, that his ships went to Tarshish, and that every three years this navy returned to Israel with ‘gold and silver, ivory and apes, and peacocks.’ It does not take three years to sail from Palestine to Spain. This had to be another far away place called "Tarshish."


The Jewish general and historian Josephus confirms that Solomon had many ships that lay upon the Sea of Tarsus which carried all sorts of merchandise into the remotest nations, and that these goods were sold for gold, silver, ivory, Ethiopians, and apes; and that the return journey took three years.� (4)


Bacon was able to carry on his predilection for young Welsh boys as bedfellows to the disgust of his publicly thought to be mother and many others. He often seemed at odds with Elizabeth I in an outward or public veneer but he and his brother were always involved in secrets and spying. His financial improprieties and frequent indebtedness and other deals speak to his real nature more than many things that make his name seem positive such as the Utopian themes he wrote about. Spedding has shown some things Bacon is credited with writing were not in fact written by him and I think he was a supreme power-monger and outright snake in the grass.

In addition to the help I needed related with Sir Christopher I will highly appreciate if anyone provide me any reference to records of the founding fathers of the Invisible College and Royal Society having citation about Delphi Oracle. I have special interest in records of Sir Edmond Halley.

References for the above.

From a summary of a speech by Lawrence Gerald for the Shakespeare Roundtable at the Beverly Hills Library on December 7, 1996.
4) www.british-israel.ca/Japan.htm taken from ‘Two Tarshish’s’ by Peter Salemi.

Halley is another of the plagiarists who wrote about things long understood by the ancients as we see here. Are there any that you worship who are not frauds or liars of the worst sort?

WHISTON AND HALLEY:
“William Whiston and the Deluge


The years 1680 and 1682 were years of unusually bright comets. Many pamphlets were printed, especially in Germany, on the imminent end of the world; at the very least, great catastrophes were expected. There was nothing new in such prognostications. In earlier centuries and also earlier in the seventeenth century, comets were regarded with awe and every possible evil effect was ascribed to them. Thus a scholarly author, David Herlicius, published in 1619 a discourse on a comet that had appeared shortly before, in 1618, and enumerated the calamities that this comet, and comets in general, bring with them or presage:


Desiccation of the crops and barrenness, pestilence, great stormy winds, great inundations, shipwrecks, defeat of armies or destruction of kingdoms… decease of great potentates and scholars, schisms and rifts in religion, etc. The portents of comets are threefold—in part natural, in part political, and in part theological.1


David Herlicius also quoted Cicero: ‘From the remotest remembrance of antiquity it is known that comets have always presaged disasters.’ 2


The fear and even horror caused by the comet of 1680 was just beginning to calm down when in 1682 another great comet appeared.


Edmund Halley was twenty-six years old when this comet of 1682 appeared. He had experience in astronomical observations and calculations, having spent time on the island of St. Helena, cataloguing there 341 southern stars; he had observed the transit of Mercury, and made pendulum observations. Now he calculated the orbit of the comet of 1682, and predicted its return in 1759. Actually, the periodicity of comets was not first discovered by Halley. The ancient authors knew that comets have their time of revolution. Seneca wrote in his treatise De Cometis—in some respects still the most advanced discussion of this subject—that the Chaldeans counted the comets among the planets.3 A comet with a periodicity of about 70 years was known to the rabbis.4


Nevertheless, only little aware of the works of the ancients, the modern world acclaimed Halley to be the discoverer of the periodicity of comets; however, this acclaim came only after his prognostication realized itself. The comet of 1682, or Halley’s comet, returned in 1759. It came somewhat retarded on account of its passage near the planets Jupiter and Saturn. This delay had been calculated, though not quite accurately, by Halley. On the grave of Halley these words are engraved: ‘Under this marble peacefully rests… Edmundus Halleius, LL.D., unquestionably the greatest astronomer of his age.’


But when Halley offered his theory of the periodicity of comets, and of the return of the observed comet after seventy-five years, this theory was not received immediately with enthusiasm. Yet in the mind of a contemporary mathematician the idea of a periodic return of comets was the beginning of a broadly-developed theory of the origin of the world and of the nature of the deluge.


William Whiston, born in 1667, published in 1696 his New Theory of the Earth. In this book he claimed that the comet of 1682 was of a 575&half year periodicity; that the same comet had appeared in February of 1106, in +531 in the consulate of Lampadius and Orestes, and in September of -44, the year of Caesar’s assassination.5 Whiston further asserted that this comet had met the earth in -2346, and caused the Deluge.6


Whiston found in classical literature references to the change in inclination of the terrestrial axis and, ascribing it to a displacement of the poles by the comet of the Deluge, concluded that before this catastrophe the planes of daily rotation and yearly revolution coincided and that, therefore, there had been no seasons. He also found references to a year consisting of 360 days only, and although the Greek authors referred the change to the time of Atreus and Thyestes, and the Romans to the time of Numa, ca. -700, Whiston ascribed these changes to the effect of the Earth’s encounter with the comet of the Deluge. Whiston thought that the Earth itself was once a comet.


Whiston was chosen by Isaac Newton to take over his chair of mathematics at Trinity College in Cambridge when Newton, after many years, retired in order to dedicate himself to the duties of the president of the Royal Society. Whiston, like Newton, was a Unitarian. He was also close to being a fundamentalist. {Thus I say that Unitarians at this juncture were most unlike those who claim that name in the present.} He was certain that only one global catastrophe was described in the Scripture—that of the Deluge. Of the phenomenon described in the book of Joshua, he wrote: ‘The Scripture did not intend to teach men philosophy, or accomodate itself to the true and Pythagoric system of the world.’ {Thus in actuality he is saying the Pythagoric system which is part of the ‘octopus’ is able to teach truth.}


It is difficult to say what caused Newton, who selected Whiston as his successor, to oppose Whiston’s election to the membership of the Royal Society. We have another similar instance a century later, when Sir Humphry Davy, the mentor of Michael Faraday, conducted a strenuous campaign to keep Faraday from being admitted to the Royal Society, of which Davy was president.


But the very idea of a periodicity of comets, gleaned by Whiston from Halley, was not yet accepted. In 1744 a German author wrote: ‘It is well known that Whiston and others like him who wish to predict the comings and goings of comets, deceive themselves, and have become an object of ridicule by the entire world.’ 7


Still later Whiston was ridiculed by Georges Cuvier, himself a proponent of a catastrophist theory:


Whiston fancied that the earth was created from the atmosphere of one comet, and that it was deluged by the tail of another. The heat which remained from its first origin, in his opinion, excited the whole antediluvian population, men and animals, to sin, for which they were all drowned in the deluge, excepting the fish, whose passions were apparently less violent.’
References
1. “Ausduerrung des Erdbodens und unfruchtbarkeit, Pestilenz, grosse mechtige Sturmwinde, Erdleiden, grosse Wasserfluthen, Schiffbruch, verenderung der Regimenten, oder verstoerung der Koenigreich . . . abgang grosser Potentaten und gelaerter Leute, Rotten und Secten in Religion, etc. Sind also die significationes oder Bedeutungen der Cometen dreyerley, etliche sind Naturales oder natuerlich, etliche Political oder weltlich, etliche Theological oder gestlich.�
2. Cicero, De Natura Deorum: “Ab ultima antiquitatis memoria notatum cometas semper calamitatum praenuntios fuisse.� The Pythagoreans believed that great comets appear at great intervals of time. Posidonius, Fg. 131b, L. Edelstein and I. G. Kidd eds., (Cambridge, 1972), p. 123.
3. Quaestiones Naturales IV.1. The same opinion was ascribed to Hippocrates.
4. In the second century of this era, Rabbi Joshua said “There is a star which appears every 70 years and misleads the captains of boats.� It has been suggested that this statement is a reference to Halley’s comet. (W. M. Feldman, Rabbinical Mathematics and Astronomy (New York, 1931), pp. 11, 216.
5. [The 575&half year periodicity of the comet of 1682, and its previous returns beginning in -44, were first proposed by Halley and accepted by Newton (Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica third ed., 1726, Book III, Proposition XLI, Problem XXI).]
6. “The Cause of the Deluge Demonstrated, being an Appendix to the 2nd edition of the New Theory of the Earth� (London, 1708). Whiston changed the date calculated by the earlier cometographers so as to have a multiple of 575½ years. David Rockenbach, Seth Calvisius, and Christopher Helvicus had fixed the date at -2292, and Henricus Eckstormius and David Herlicius at -2312.
7. S. Suschken, Unvorgreifliche Kometen-Gedanke (1744), p. 8. ‘Gewiss ist es, dass Whiston und andere, welche den Auf- und Untergang der Cometen vorher sagen wollen, sich selbst betrogen, und vor aller Welt zu Spott gemacht haben.’� (22)

If not Sir Edmond Halley the Principia would not been published.
Do you understand that Robert?
How you can be so unjust.
You do not love mankind?