It does not have direct relation with Delphi Oracle.
Besides time is pressing.
So PLEASE stop this.

This thread is about Delphi Oracle and related things.

Dear Enki

Facts please!

Appeals to God as your protector or a means through which you will punish or terrorize those who deal in facts are your stock and trade. Do you and can you refute the facts?

Why is 'time pressing'?

This is Sir Francis who you brought into this conversation BIG TIME along with Halley and others of the 'Invisible College'. You said you wanted facts but it appears you do not.

When Newton offered his Principiae Mathematica he said it was 'much less than there was, but more than he should say'. Thus you can interpret he was breaking faith with the ancient secret societies who have kept man in ignorance for so long and you can say he like Bacon wanted to change the secret knowledge a little - but it was not all that new and to what extent the alchemists (Newton gets credit as a full alchemist by many and I will go with Jefferson as an alchemist too; who was taught early in life by the Newtonian Professor Short who was specially brought to teach him.) who designed the Temple of Solomon and the Great Pyramid new it and Chaos Science is a matter of great interest to me.

Many oracles are really just inner sanctum spokespeople using secret knowledge to manipulate society.

To: RTB,

Here I am discussing about Delphi Oracle ONLY and things related with it.

I am not dicussing here Chaos Theory. I do not want to discuss here Chaos Theory.

Facts? What kind of facts and what for? I just want to discuss interesting topic about Delphi Oracle. Facts about what? I did not made any statment here (in this thread).

Let us leave the sensitive topic about God aside. It is too complex to quarrel about.

I do not want here to discuss anything not related with Delphi Oracle.

If you have nothing to add about Delphi Oracle please withstand from comments which do not relate with that thematic. PLEASE!

I am thankfull for all your comments. But please restrict them to Delphi Oracle and related only.

I want to remind about this link again:

Here is a very good and excellent Article related with some “Applications� of Delphi Oracle technique in consulting:

http://www.isce.edu/site/Downs_Durant_Carr.pdf

Besides there are many interesting references at the end of the article.

Strongly recommend to read it, it is just 6 pages long.

I also want to remind about my query

In addition to the help I needed related with Sir Christopher Wren I will highly appreciate if anyone provide me any reference to records of the founding fathers of the Invisible College and Royal Society having citation about Delphi Oracle. I have special interest in records of Sir Edmond Halley about Delphi Oracle.

Try http://www.c6.org/evol/crown.html

He-he. Chuckles softly. Thanks unknown.

I cannot open this link. It yields error.

C & P it into your browser and it will probably work.

I do not understand Unknown how that fantastic phantasmagoria has relation to Delphi Oracle?!!!

It is maybe just a fantastic murky story. Murky story for Englishmen liking to read murky stories about their royalty. So what? I am not Englishmen so it is not interesting to me.

I want to remind it is thread about Delphi Oracle.

By the way I am still waiting for comments about that wonderful paper:

http://www.isce.edu/site/Downs_Durant_Carr.pdf

The world of organizational design and behavior has many apparently novel approaches to addressing productivity. Even Paranoia has been recommended as a necessary management skill by Harvard Business Review. Their identification of the building of Empires or routines to prevent communication in the study of the Nut Island water purification plant near Boston is a classic that requires serious consideration. I personally find bottom up and top down integrated planning and co-operative buy-ins at all levels but this philosophy is often circumvented by techniques such as the Rand Corporation developed which is known as the Delphi Technique. There are some who say that this technique of creating market leaders or authority through deceit does not have efficacy but it does work. All committees seem to be comprised of people who want to appear to be in line with what the leader or others think and getting people to agree to simple statements building up to agreement with nonsense actually is an old tool of religion and salespeople. The Wilson learning system talks about how to access a need for acceptance and how to generate a consensus to achieve commonly held goals. Most of this is mere hedonistic planning and has little efficacy but it works in marketing.


Mintzberg, Lynch and others who work on ‘emergent strategic planning’ approaches are recognizing the old Greek system of buying the word of God through the Delphi Oracle would serve serious purposeful functions in many circumstances. Of course historians can see that the Delphi Oracles were bought and sold or told what to say. Mintzberg and these academics throw around concepts like Chaos Theory and ‘in- between-ness’ that seeks to simplify through symbology that people focus upon and then act out the models. (3) But in the end it does not expand the knowledge and points to the difference between the ‘play both ends against the middle’ that has grown out of Hegel’s Dialectic rather than the questioning that Socrates’ Dialectic would generate in terms of more knowledge.


Humanity has interiorized many god complex or ‘on high’ affirmations from old approaches and needs to start thinking how to apply resources and match authority to empower local or individual units more. Authors Derrick de Kerckhove and Mark Federman point out the jargon of management gets distorted over time and the unworkable result is most ridiculous. Here is a brief comment from The Globe and Mail on Friday, October 10, 2003 under the heading ‘Excerpt: McLuhan for Managers’.


“Over time, these words {like the oracular symbols} becoming nothing more than management clichés – accepted by all, repeated by many, understood by almost none.�

Though those authors are dealing with organizational behavior in business mostly - yes, if one really believes that pre-Greece culture knew Chaos Science (and there is good reason to think they did) then one can draw a great deal of 'specific correlation (SC) and whatever else you want to create for your way of communicating such jargon.

The symbols of the Aymara (as covered in my interview) are pre-historic sacerdotal computerese. They are probably created by those arch-tectons of the Great Pyramid who traveled the world when Ur did not yet exist and Empire had not yet begun with all its attendant mysogyny and slavery.

Specific Correlation with Source of Correlation (SC).

The SOURCE is the Verbal (Bairdic) Tradition which retained through memes or symbols a great deal of the earlier knowledge of earth cultures which may have gone to space. The Omega Stations may be connected to whatever you think are electronic beacons but I disagree with Bruce Cathie about the ET nature of this knowledge.

Specific Correlation - see my entry or posts on Affinity.

We understand quite different things under “’Electronic’ Beacons.” I understand very material, touchable, real device.

And what do you think the Omega Stations are?

You mention just symbols. I point at quite different things.
I came to conclusion that we speak about quite different things.
We use different concepts. Quite different.
We will never understand each other.

I suggest to stop our “conversation”.

You think the Omega Stations are symbols?

Why do you avoid admitting you do not know?

Omega is a worldwide navigation system based on 8 VLF transmitting stations dispersed widely around the globe. The phase difference between the signals of any two Omega stations can provide a line of position (LOP) on the earth's surface. Two such LOPs intersect to provide a position fix. Generally several LOPs are selected to improve the accuracy and reliability of the fix either by using a least squares technique or as in MINS (Marine Integrated Navigation System) a more sophisticated Kalman filter technique.

A year ago I have met one crazy guy, who came here from America, that idiot wanted to convince me that the failure in the electrical grid system in US, Italy, Northern Europe, British Subway system of 2003 etc was a result of usage of Plasma Weapon by Russians against America, and he was sure that that Plasma Weapon functions on the base of Tesla miraculous discovery. Besides he liked to tell idiot stories about Masons. You possibly mean something described on this site: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/..._as_fiction.htm .
I was wondering at that idiot. It is very nice that he F.O. back to US.
Hope I will never meet such IDIOTS again.

But I DO NOT SPEAK about that.
We are speaking about quite different things Robert! You even cannot imagine how much they are different. That is why I have concluded that we have nothing in common to speak about. You do not understand me. I fear I will die this year because of my illness and will not be able to change anything.
And it is like a curse to meet such self-assured stupid asses like you.

Enki
if you don't mind me asking, what are you sick with?

Dear Enki

If you would cleanse yourself you could be cured - there is nothing that one cannot be cured from - potentially. But the sickness of your soul and mid which has been evidentin all your posts - is going to make it very hard for you to cleanse yourself - and I look forward to when you actually do one of the things you keep promising to do - like shut up or leave.

Which is why you are sick and will never get help for it.

QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Oct 04, 08:26 AM)
Which is why you are sick and will never get help for it.

Interesting moral. No signs of Christian heritage. Why I do not wonder?

Let me get this straight.

You think you know what Christian heritage is - which you do not.

You think it immoral to help people find ways to heal themself and merely hope that you will avoid the illness brought into your life by following some faith (see your other post).

I think you deserve what you get at some level but I also know you are an extremist or terrorist who again has posed a threat in your posting (veiled this time). Actually it is not very veiled and here it is:

By the way, I strongly do not recommend teasing me in such a way. You may guess why.


So - this is moral? Threats from weak-willed sickly individuals like you are of no concern to me - as you have noted before - so why do you persist in behaving in this sick puppy fashion?

You are perverting my words. There are no such ideas in my other posts. I am strictly keeping to scientific methods of investigation of the reality.

Robert, you possibly do not understand. If I had been a terrorist then the doom would descend upon the Western Civilization. As the doom did not descend yet, it means that I am not a terrorist. Some counterterrorism experts with wide horizon on this planet can explain that to you, if you knew them. The knowledge I possess in the field of counterterrorism may give strategic advantage to any nation under the sun, even to banana republics. You just have humanitarian thinking and is unable to imagine unimaginable.
If you wish so much I can become a terrorist exclusivly for you. Though I am not a terrorist.

I am just, by masculine conversation let you to know that your behavior is dishonorable and as man I showed you up in words the condition of my distress by your arrogance. I cannot in other way to drop a glove.

A very SICK terrorist.

Here are your words which show you to be one who thinks you control the will of some awesome force (In your mind):

I had been a terrorist then the doom would descend upon the Western Civilization.

And as anyone reading your posts can tell - and Trip also saw you attack him - you have engaged in all manner of threats. Trip chose to welcome you to a physical confrontation. But perhaps another part of your illness includes a very convenient memory.

And you have yet to demonstrate any science.

Let us deconstruct this further phraseology of yours to see your nature.

The knowledge I possess in the field of counterterrorism may give strategic advantage to any nation under the sun {Total megalomania - and you have no such knowledge as has been shown here}, even to banana republics. You just have humanitarian thinking {True I am a humanitarian and one has to think you denigrate this because YOU have the will of Allah or G-d.} and is unable to imagine unimaginable. {Just name-calling punkishness}
If you wish so much I can become a terrorist exclusivly for you. {I have already told you to do your best and you said you did one night - it lead to an offer for me to be on a TV documentary that very night - so please do send me your best.}Though I am not a terrorist. {Then why do you threaten in these ways to do harm?}

SICK!

In this case it is interesting to know what you understand under phrase Healthy Terrorist?

Synchrinizar als ein … .
The Interpretation of Nature and the Psyche (New York [Bollingen Series LI] and London, 1955).
Naturerklarung und Psyche (Studien aus dem C.G. Jung – Institut, IV, Zurich, 1952).
Си... .

Ninth Gate, The (1999) , Directed by Roman Polanski, Writing credits Arturo Pérez-Reverte (novel The Club Dumas), John Brownjohn (screenplay) & Enrique Urbizu (screenplay) and Roman Polanski (screenplay), Cast Johnny Depp etc.

Yes, Jung is one that understands the things you do not - but I will not give you the reasons why - because you might learn something that would harm others.

For those who do not understand the threat just posed by Enki as he makes mention of the Club Dumas after promising to send me his best (I presume last time he sent something less than the best he said he would send.).

He is offering to send me the Devil - (Tremble, tremble).

Here is the gist of that book from a review of it.

Rare-book sleuth Lucas Corso is hired to authenticate a manuscript chapter from Alexandre Dumas's The Three Musketeers, and to find the original copy of a manual for summoning the devil. These assignments lead him into dangerous waters as he becomes the target of devil worshipers, unscrupulous bibliophiles, and a cast of characters that seems to come straight out of Dumas's masterpiece, complete with a femme fatale and her sinister henchman.

what I gather is that Enki is talking about 'collective consciousness' and ways to manipulate the world or individuals in the world by interacting with the collective in particular ways. What RTB seems to be saying is that Enki's view of and believed influence over this 'collective consciousness' is in terms of archetypes specific to the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions.

Manipulating the 'collective' is dangerous work indeed. The Judaeo-Christian/Islamic sect that Jung called the Ur-Stories is always into such threats and Enki's given name shows what he has become - as I have said from the first moment I was asked to deal with him by others here. He has shown over and over again that he is such a terrorist and abuser of knowledge - but he is not capable as was Red Dragon who also had been programmed or tricked by the Kabbalists. 'Twisted' Kabbalists are in many very high places and I do not treat this knowledge lightly - but I do treat Enki lightly - he is a weak-willed and undisciplined novitiate at best.

Two members are flaming each other in an escalating fashion.
This is not helping Mind Brain or anyone at all!

Both are making unsubstantiated claims against each other.

Can I request, that in view of this failure to tolerate each other, both avoid commenting on each others posts.

This is not flaming Rhymer - and you would do well to read the posts - there are indeed people who believe they are such powerful sorcerers that they can actually do what Enki is threatening me with.

Would that it could be so nice that terrorists were so easily sanctioned as simply requesting that said terrorists not flame each other or by the simple act of Denial of truth - claim there is no such possibility.

Thoreau said, "I say, break the law. Let your life be a counterfriction to stop the machine."

I have read the posts!
They make claims and counter claims and contain no proveable substance or threats.

If you can prove your suspicions, prove them.
If it is what you think, you may be wrong.
Why not involve security forces if you are so sure of what you believe?

Dear Rhymer

First of all my suspicions are confirmed in his threats - his own words say it - so there is no proof necessary other than the proof that he cannot muster the energy to do what he threatens to do - and this is not the first time.

Secondly - there is no black and white reality wherein some proof is absolute - if you are referring to your own lack of understanding of what it is he is threatening to do.

Thirdly - security forces? What world do you Live in?

He is not able to pose a threat and I use bad energy for good purposes so any that he sends my way is useful for me - I fear him not one iota.

To: RTB,

I am talking about things related with Delphi Oracle and related concepts, which for practical means can be associated with it.
And keep your badges for yourself. Different people do not have identical Data Bases. When people do communicate they have to find a way to provide effective Data Exchange for mutual pleasure and common good.

I just cited different publications of the same book (psi black circle) and then I pointed at interesting movie, which differs from its initial book in many points, to point at something interesting being interesting for an intellect with cute imagination. As I see you do not have cute imagination. Besides, it may turn so, that people who think that they are manipulating others can personally become objects of more sensitive, beautiful, good “marvel’ation’” [a general remark].

I absolutely do not accept any of those baseless accusations. The subject was discussed openly, and if you noted I made some comments about NSA. Anyone can be sure, that if they feel any such sort of threat you so eloquently speak about they would take proper actions forward as my far away country is a member of the coalition.

To: All,

Robert the Bruce was writing arrogantly I responded in the same way. Robert the Bruce predisposed his attitude towards me only due to my username, my not willingness to divert from the subject of the thread I have opened and my resistance in following his own Gospel and outlook at things. Besides Mr. RTB got upset with numerological example related with seemingly accidental death of Patriarch of Alexandria, Petros and my kind attitude towards Sir Francis Bacon and Sir. Emund Halley and other members of the Royal Society (Formerly Invisible College). He constantly, from the very beginning day assigned to himself a function to remind me how unlearned am I, how few things do I know. Then, when I got irritated by his behavior and showed my irritation he started constantly to accuse me of being a radical person and now he accuses me of being programmed by Cabalists (he writes Kabbalists, please see above). Besides he constantly makes attempt to pull words: assigning to me ideas I never expressed, especially it is strikingly evident in his comments related with my bad health and specific outlook at medicine. He created for himself an image of bad Enki and is trying to fight against that imaginary enemy. I now start to think that he has some specific motivations in his attempts to push me off from this forum.

I consider the Words Matrix concept very valuable for the counterterrorism applications, and not only for those applications. And I brought that thematic for discussion to people, who out of cliché of their job, have some knowledge about brain.

I promise I will not continue to communicate with RTB, but if he continues to accuse me I have to defend my name.

Anyway, let us not divert from the thematic of this thread. I want to remind it is about Delphi Oracle and related.

To remind the subject of the thread again I copy the initial text again

Delphi Oracle

1). Does Something Performing Functions of the Delphi Oracle (SPFDO) an imperative element of progress of any civilization?
2). Does our brain always need to get ‘words’ of that SPFDO [some kind of Neuro Push (perturbation)] to progress in its development and pass to new level of reality perception?
3). What can be considered as the contemporary SPFDO?
4). Can the SPFDO to be considered as Source of Correlation (SC)?
5). Can we say that the society always needs a Source of Correlation [e.g. as the most simple example of SC we can consider Magnificent Gothic temple at the middle of the city which curves does shape mentality of the people of a city. “ ‘First we construct buildings then buildings construct us.” Sir Winston Churchill”]?

Any ideas?

Here is a very good and excellent Article related with some “Applications” of Delphi Oracle technique in consulting:

http://www.isce.edu/site/Downs_Durant_Carr.pdf

Besides there are many interesting references at the end of the article. Strongly recommend to read it, it is just 6 pages long.

Good material about Delphi Oracle can be found here http://www.aroundparnassos.com/history/ and here http://www.sikyon.com/Delphi/history_eg.html .

And I want to add few Off-Topic words about the “gestalt or mirror.” It is not so easy to detect the main Knots of the Correlation (KtC). It may turn so that the All KtC can be activated and correlated via Ordinary Single M-Knot [M-K] (some sort of ordinary cluster formed from Chaotic distribution of Information having some sort of undetectable [uncontrollable] “Marvel’ation’” [where the true Freedom and the unpredictable whims of the “Providence” do lie]). Let me dare to name that phenomenon as Undetectable “Marvel’ation’” (UM). I am sorry for foggy representation of that last paragraph (the terminology needs shaping), it does not have direct connection to the thread (I mean that better not to discuss that here) but I just wanted to point to some gentlemen that even the mirror can mirror from side to side when the unknown glances at it. Sorry for the pathetic fallacy present in the last sentence and the paragraph itself. A good science fiction can be 'drawn' from here.