caitiff
Sep 14, 2004, 10:38 AM
from lungs to thin
to breathe like i need
to pound like i need
my eyes pulsing-dialated
mouth moving silently
vodka washing up
the shore of my tongue
desensitized
forgotten
craving the moon to be that much closer
and the sun to be on my stomach
fabricated tales of woe
stories drown in lies
him-he-the boy-the child-you
i wish i could eat your sickness
i wish i could swallow you whole
for no part of you is without filth
instead i eat the orchids
instead i eat the sky
instead of eating you
exhaling smoke
i have no memory of inhaling
him-he-the boy-the chil-you
weak and helpless
still on you is placed the blame
all the stares pushing you
instead i eat the orchids
instead i eat the sky
instead of eating you
swelling fruit
placed on mothers lips
fruit washed in lambs blood
dripping from fathers face
(dont try to be like them)
instead i eat the orchids
instead i eat the sky
instead of eating you
hold the dreams
push-push-pushing the edge of my mind
reek-reek-reeking feeding off my mind
held back nonesence
incoherant words falling from your mouth
shaking pulsing
mabye dying mabye not
who can say?
instead i eat the orchids
instead i eat the sky
instead of eating you
tremer
i feel it withing me
the very beating of your heart
heat pulsing off the sky
falling rain falling tears falling memories
gone
intead i eat the orchids
instead i eat the sky
instead of needing you
~~not really sure what this means...like i said i was on acid
thehasbeen
Sep 14, 2004, 12:56 PM
yeah man, acid is strange
a hell of drug
doors are wide open
or closed so tight youre stuck in an acid frenzy for hours
Psiloman
Oct 04, 2004, 12:59 PM
Its all about what you are looking for...Sometimes it brings tears in my eyes seeing serotonine systems getting abused....
THey are all tools,a screwdriver is for screwing and unscrewing screws a wrench is for bolts...
Rick
Oct 04, 2004, 02:10 PM
I have heard it said that the acid is completely neutral, it all depends on set and setting.
itsinhiseyes
Oct 04, 2004, 02:34 PM
that's true. But if it's cut with strichnine then w
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Psiloman
Oct 04, 2004, 02:38 PM
LSD is not cut with strichnine
1)Why should it be cut with strychnine? (provide reasoning)
2)Given the amount a blotter can hold,it cannot hold enough strychnine to produce any sort of effect
3)Strychnine is a POISON.If it "was cut with strychnine" and in one blotter enough of this alkaloid could fit so it would give a "strychnine effect" then 2 or 3 blotters would be LETHAL dose
4)Its is a Debunked myth.Please check with www.erowid.org
Rick
Oct 04, 2004, 03:07 PM
Strychnine is an old fashioned (19th century) stimulant, and was indicated for morphine overdose. However, the toxic level is low, so it was supplanted by amphetamines in the early 20th century, and it was sometimes used as rat poison. As Psiloman says, cutting acid with strychnine is a debunked myth. If it's a blotter, windowpane, or microdot, it isn't big enough to hold a significant amount of strychnine. Strychnine by itself has some potential for abuse, but amphetamines are a lot less dangerous.
In all cases, acid myths have been found to have been originated by ignorant anti-drug people.
Other acid myths:
1. Acid causes brain damage. FALSE. In one controlled study, the average IQ increase from a single LSD session was 10 points measured on the Weschler scale.
2. Acid causes chromosome damage. FALSE. This was started by a "researcher" doing test tube (in vitro) experiments. In the high concentrations he was using, aspirin also causes chromosome damage.
Hey Hey
Oct 04, 2004, 03:16 PM
Strychnine vs amphetamines - rifle vs handgun - it's the bullets that count!
1. Acid causes brain damage - when you jump out of a window and land on your head!
2. No chromosome damage - so OK to take it during pregancy then?
Psiloman
Oct 04, 2004, 03:28 PM
1.Water can cause brain damage.Anoxia in the brain from drowning in it.If one cannot follow the "set ,setting,tripsitter" rule of psychedelics,one better abstain
2)Milk also induced chromosome damage in the test Rick mentions."Damaging ones chromosomes" and "interferign with embryo development" are not the same thing.The LSD myth said that "LSD will damage your chromosomes and this will carry of on your offspring".In common english they said "take LSD when you are 18 and when you are forty and have children they are going to be born malformed".This myth has also started when they examined a person taking LSD and found out that some of his chromosomes were broken.They failed to mention that he was on aother 4-5 psychiatric medications which have later been proven to affect chromosomal division...
Rick
Oct 04, 2004, 03:53 PM
1. The CIA agent who was said to have jumped to his death from a window was thrown.
2. The effective dose of LSD is so low (quarter of a milligram) that the blood concentration is correspondingly low, so I wouldn't be surprised that a controlled animal study might show that it's safe in pregnancy when used in normal doses. However, women who are pregnant are well-advised to remain in control due their responsibility toward the unborn, and an ecstatic experience is, by definition, not in control.
Another myth that was propagated as truth by the media was the totally concocted story of students going blind from looking at the sun. The media ate this up and encouraged other hoaxers.
Hey Hey
Oct 04, 2004, 05:08 PM
1. You don't get brain damage without a brain either. So brains can be dangerous to possess. Misjudging distances or thinking one can fly are recognised behaviours when under the influence - you'd have to drink a lot of water to get that to happen! There are many hundreds of documented examples of injuries under the influence. Search BMJ and Lancet for starters.
2. Rick said "Acid causes chromosome damage. FALSE. This was started by a "researcher" doing test tube (in vitro) experiments. In the high concentrations he was using, aspirin also causes chromosome damage." Neither he nor I referred to embyro development. If you do the medical reading you will see that normal development can occur even with abnormal chromosomes. But you didn't answer the question - so OK to take it during pregancy then? (Implied with respect to chromosomal damage risk). I would feed my best friends and relatives milk and give them aspirin for headaches whilst they are pregnant. Would you recommend LSD to them as well?
There is an association of cateract risk with living in regions with a relatively longer day length and with stronger sun index. You can bleach the retina with excess sun exposure; possibly not 100% reversible with repeated doses. (And don't look at the sun through a telescope - obvious, yes? Well don't look at life through hallucinations either then?)
Hey Hey
Oct 04, 2004, 05:12 PM
If the discussion is to continue, please could we move it to another board. The excellent poem above has stimulated the discussion but this is the place for critique of the poem. Thanks.
Unknown
Oct 04, 2004, 08:35 PM
| QUOTE (Hey Hey @ Oct 04, 05:12 PM) |
| If the discussion is to continue, please could we move it to another board. The excellent poem above has stimulated the discussion but this is the place for critique of the poem. Thanks. |
roflmao
you don't own it
it ain't yours. it belongs to these fine folks. they are the 'pnuma' of this board, the body, the essence. damn you if you think you can change that.
<prepares to be deleted>
oh it's coming. you and i both know it. you can't hack it.
Psiloman
Oct 05, 2004, 05:47 AM
Well concenring LSD:
One should abstain during pregrancy from its usage.Hell,cant you stay away from it for nine months and when lactating?
Also if one observes the rules of set and setting the LSD experience is safe accidentwise.Now if an idiot takes it alot can happen.Look at bush,he is an idiot with power...Would you trust him with lsd?
Rick
Oct 05, 2004, 08:08 AM
| QUOTE (Hey Hey @ Oct 04, 06:08 PM) |
| I would feed my best friends and relatives milk and give them aspirin for headaches whilst they are pregnant. Would you recommend LSD to them as well? |
I don't recommend consciousness expansion for anyone. Please don't misrepresent my words like that (you implied that I had "recommended" LSD). Each person should decide for himself, having educated himself on the potential risks and benefits. LSD can trigger permanent insanity in persons with latent schizophrenia. I say don't use dangerous drugs if one is not prepared to accept the consequences.
As far as the specifics of pregnancy and LSD go, I believe I answered above that a woman has a duty to her unborn child to remain in control. Until it is proven that the small amount of LSD that might pass through the placental barrier is safe for foetuses, one should err on the side of caution.
caitiff
Oct 05, 2004, 05:15 PM
ha wow....thats quite a discussion........seems like someone should open a drug board or something cause...wow...there's alot to be said
Rick
Oct 06, 2004, 06:46 AM
This particular topic seems to be a confluence of two mind-brain streams, poetry and consciousness expansion. What if we were to move it to the consciousness expansion board and someone there threw it back here because it's about a poem? And not a very good one, if I may throw in my two cents worth. I think poetry is best written after the experience, not during.
dipique
Oct 07, 2004, 11:50 AM
| QUOTE |
| And not a very good one, if I may throw in my two cents worth. |
If you don't think that's good poetry, then I encourage you to leave, get sober, get over the girl that dumped you thirty years ago, and then come back and give it the assessment it deserves.
Dan
caitiff
Oct 07, 2004, 12:02 PM
haha thanks dan but it is a critiquing board
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