Enki
Sep 10, 2004, 01:41 PM
Words Matrix as Base Fractal of Complex Concept or Knowledge
I think that it is possible to diminish any complex concept or knowledge to very simple Words Matrix. This Words Matrix can serve as Base Fractal of that complex concept or knowledge.
I think that it is enough to use that Words Matrix to transfer any Knowledge from one place to another. Once being input into brain that Words Matrix will undergo some sort of evolution in time resulting in generation of the Initial Knowledge which were diminished to level of the Base Fractal.
Applications:
1. Remote Controlled Terrorism
2. Theology and Religion
3. Distant Brain Coding
What do you think about that?
Rick
Sep 10, 2004, 01:56 PM
Tell me more about the terrorist applications. What do you mean by base fractal?
Can you describe the mechanism for generation of the initial knowledge? How would the words matrix be put in the brain?
Enki
Sep 10, 2004, 02:09 PM
Any terror manual can be transferred (diminished to) into Words Matrix and be spread via Internet avoiding detection from NSA spider supercomputers. Any person who possesses the technology can covertly provide (terror related) technology transfer without being detected and conduct RCT.
Under Base Fractal I understand the initial subnet which origins in the brain when the Words Matrix is input.
The Words Matrix can be input in the brain by the most primitive ways, e.g. by reading that Matrix. The Words Matrix can be encrypted into Poetry, Prose Writing, e-mail Spam message text etc.
Rick
Sep 10, 2004, 02:15 PM
So are you saying that a Words Matrix is a form of encryption? Is it an algorithm? Is the output form obfuscatory plain text (such as a poem)?
Is the transfer (diminishment to) lossless? That is, can all the original information be recovered without loss? Can you describe the algorithm? Is this your invention?
rhymer
Sep 10, 2004, 02:29 PM
Off-topic ??
I have invented an encryption system which no-one has yet been able to crack!
If anyone would like to try, I can post a message which will be an encryptyed post already [within mind-brain] for the adventurous with time to spare to try and crack.
If I repeated this operation, the resultant encrypted file will most probably be different each time, yet they will all decode to the original message, and there is no redundancy or loss of information involved.
Rick
Sep 10, 2004, 02:33 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what the topic really is. Maybe this guy is onto something.
Sure, I'd like to crack it. I invented a cryptanalytic system that can decode any message.
Enki
Sep 10, 2004, 02:47 PM
>So are you saying that a Words Matrix is a form of encryption?
I think that in some cases it can be considered as such, but not always. Let me bring you a good Hollywood example: "The Universe is ruled not by those who control the spice but by those who can stop its production." I think it is quite a good example. Functionally similar saying: Knowledge are power. Or like Nullius in verba.
>Is it an algorithm?
I think no. I think it is like an Image in words. I think it is some sort of Art.
>Is the output form obfuscatory plain text (such as a poem)?
Solidly not.
>Is the transfer (diminishment to) lossless? That is, can all the original information be recovered without loss?
I think it can provide 80% recovery of the Initial Knowledge. I think it depends on the quality of the Image. I think is some cases 100% recovery can be provided.
>Is this your invention?
I think that is known from very old times. I suppose it was well know e.g. to Delphi Oracle. There are quite many, scientifically well grounded, books describing the influence of mythology, tales and proverbs on development of a personality. I am 100% sure that it is well scientifically studied thematic. I think I can dare, at least, to cling for Innovation of the art, or just to say that it came across my mind. I think it is very practical knowledge for those who like Applicable Philosophy as a hobby.
I am just interested in the potential power of that approach.
Rick
Sep 10, 2004, 02:50 PM
It's still a riddle to me. Can you give an example of a Words Matrix and the knowledge it was diminished from?
Enki
Sep 10, 2004, 03:04 PM
It is good that it is still a riddle for such a wise man as you are.
And it is good for me that it is not a riddle for such a wise man as you are.
Rick
Sep 10, 2004, 03:11 PM
and for me not a riddle
Maybe RTB can tell how this was used in antiquity.
Enki
Sep 10, 2004, 03:16 PM
That will be interesting indeed.
Dan
Sep 10, 2004, 04:00 PM
I think he is referring to the idea of emergence of complex patterns in a system under an apparently simple initial input. One would start with an apparently meaningless and simple rule or system that, when placed in the proper context, generates a highly complex and meaningful pattern. Sounds like a variant of the 'meme' idea to me
Enki
Sep 11, 2004, 12:42 AM
Thank you for your excellent comment.
Some people were recommending me to get acquainted with “meme” concept.
It really, in some aspects, may look similar to the “meme” concept.
But just look similar.
At least that gives interesting new opportunities to any learned exasperated individual in this world.
In view of that I do not know can the RCT (remote controlled terrorism) based on that to be considered as a crime?
Robert the Bruce
Sep 11, 2004, 04:05 AM
Enki
Sep 11, 2004, 06:27 AM
That link has nothing in common with the thematic.
At least I do not see any commonality.
But the spiral is nice and a familiar one.
But nothing more than familiar.
Thanks anyway.
Robert the Bruce
Sep 11, 2004, 06:38 AM
Do you know The Fetch or Sister Sergheti?
All symbols and archetypes are connected for the trained observer of memes and systems that allow the matrix and codes you seek to understand.
Robert the Bruce
Sep 11, 2004, 06:42 AM
As covered in my interview which can be heard at World-Mysteries.com.
Sister Serena Serghetti of the Franciscan Order is a great linguist and she used the Peruvian Aymará language in very interesting ways which support the theory that binary math was part of the ‘Quipas’ (said to be able to keep poetry) and Ogham as a root for all languages which we have and will continue to touch upon. Another recent report from Steve Connor of The Independent says these things that confirm the following quotation. “… a leading scholar of South American antiquity believes the Inca did have a form of non-verbal communication written in an encoded language similar to the binary code of today's computers. Gary Urton, professor of anthropology at Harvard University, has re-analysed the complicated knotted strings of the Inca - decorative objects called khipu - and found they contain a seven-bit binary code capable of conveying more than 1,500 separate units of information.” This quote is taken from a whistleblower site on the Web, the article dealt with Antarctica and some fishy things going on there at Lake Vostok, so please forgive the choppiness of my excerpting.
“But members of the archaeological community in the Near East point out that Serghetti is also one of the Vatican's top linguists… Serghetti first made waves as a linguist in the late 1990s when she presented a universal translator software application at a United Nations Earth Summit. Building on the work of Bolivian mathematician Ivan Buzman de Rojas, Serghetti used the ancient Aymara language of the Andes to translate English into more than 26 languages.
‘The rigid, logical structure of Aymara itself is ideal for transformation into computer algorithm,’ she said at the time. ‘Its syntactical rules can be spelled out in the kind of algebraic shorthand that computers understand.’
Since then the U.S. National Security Agency has been trying to get its hands on Serghetti's system, according to one codebreaker from Britain's MI-6 intelligence branch who tried and failed to recruit Serghetti. ‘The Aymara language is so pure that the NSA suspects it didn't just evolve like other languages but was constructed from scratch,’ the MI-6 source said. {A Sacerdotal language like Hebrew, used by the university chaos science types?}
In fact, the earliest Aymara myth says that after the Great Flood, strangers attempted to build a city on Lake Titicaca -- Tiahuanaco with its great Temple of the Sun – but suddenly abandoned it and disappeared.
According to legend, they came from the lost island paradise of "Aztlan," the Aztec version of Atlantis. ‘In other words,’ said one Meso-American linguist, speaking on condition of anonymity, ‘Sister Serghetti may well know the language of the Atlanteans.’”
Robert the Bruce
Sep 11, 2004, 06:55 AM
Robert the Bruce
Sep 11, 2004, 08:41 AM
SEMIOTICS:
Enki
Sep 11, 2004, 12:23 PM
I remember I have read something about that, but I am sorry I have to make some specific critique notes.
Truly speaking I do not like statements based on gossips, I do not like statements which validity is not possible to verify. Nobody can check that info. It is the same as to speak about crop circles. Like there is something great and secret and if it is so then events A, B, C do happen or arguments are justifiable. You cannot find NSA or Mi6 agent who can verify that info, so it is just statements based on suppositions. It cannot be topic of solid discussion as there is no frame of reference. These all is very interesting and attractive indeed and at first approximation can be considered as a good stuff for good science fiction. I am personally an author of several silly theories but I have discarded them, as I do not have Criteria of Truth to verify my suppositions. And by the way was advised to write science fiction and withstand from description of reality on the base of such theories. So I do follow those advises. But I do not dare to recommend that to others.
Besides too many words are used, that creates information noise. Too many possibilities = too many alternatives -> high differentiation by probabilities-> bad prognosis.
I quite well know the price of illusion and misleading. That is why I am very cautious when matter touches stories about crystal skulls and stuff like that.
But the current thread has very interesting practical applications and I think it is much more real than abstract knowledge based on unverifiable info from different ages!
Here let me bring very fresh example, it can help to transfer the mood of what I understand under RCT. It is CNN today report about the helicopter crush and death of Patriarch of Alexandria.
Patriarch of Alexandria Petros was killed on Saturday, September 11, 2004 (S 911, 2004) when a helicopter crashed. He was heading to Holly Mount Athos, Northern Greece, he had to arrive there at 11 am. He was 115th , 55 years old Patriarch of Alexandria and Africa established by Mark the Evangelist. The Patriarchate of Alexandria and All Africa is one of the third oldest worldwide, along with that of Antioch (Syria) and Rome. He was on the flight with 11 other church officials and five crew members.
The info is kept updated so I summarized all what was reported during the day.
That info is enough to use it for very broad speculations and applications in some religions. Very simple and extremely powerful!
And the most important I do not “seek to understand” as you suppose, in this case I just have some certain opinion.
Robert the Bruce
Sep 11, 2004, 01:34 PM
Dear Enki
You don't need MI6 to do your thinking for you. Sister Serghetti and the Harvard Scholar Urton are quite capable of thinking for themself - are you able to read?
Enki
Sep 11, 2004, 11:52 PM
Dear Robert the Bruce,
Certainly I do not need Mi6 to start to think, but in your text you piled up different information from different sources. Then you made attempt to show up that the developed technique is considered fantastically great not only by the authors but by other sources too.
Let me make a rough and slight analysis:
First Part [Description of the Product and Method]Sister Serena Serghetti [interesting name]
Franciscan Order [old murky organization]
Vatican [so she possibly has access to Vatican library dark corners, that adds up mystical flames to her person]
great linguist [Interesting to know what Prof. Chomsky thinks about her greatness in linguistics]
Steve Connor [press writes about that, so it is important]
The Independent [known source]
Prof. Gary Urton [The thematic of Sister Serena Serghetti is interesting and prominent scholars also work over similar problem]
Harvard University [that is cool, that adds up credibility]
Then the most fantastic sentence comes forth!
“This quote is taken from a whistleblower site on the Web, the article dealt with Antarctica and some fishy things going on there at Lake Vostok, so please forgive the choppiness of my excerpting.” [Lake Vostok, whau, that is the most cool, but let us forget that sentence! Impressive indeed.]
United Nations Earth Summit [so she participates some conferences]
Bolivian mathematician Ivan Buzman de Rojas [another complex name]
She presented a universal translator software application [software it is serious,
PRODUCT! So uncommon for “
Vatican's top linguist!!!”]
Second Part [That was very important for other VERY credible people, so it is important]Since then the U.S. National Security Agency has been trying to get its hands on Serghetti's system. [NSA it is very COOL]
According to one codebreaker from Britain's MI-6 intelligence branch who tried and failed to recruit Serghetti.[MI-6 it is much more COOL than NSA, and just imagine, codebreaker!]
Sacerdotal language like Hebrew[alarming]
Aymara myth[old source]
Great Flood [very old source

]
Lake Titicaca – Tiahuanaco [interesting location]
Temple of the Sun – but suddenly abandoned it and disappeared [mystery, possibly flied away]
The lost island paradise of "Aztlan," the Aztec version of Atlantis.[ahhh, here we are, island! I like island]
‘In other words,’ said one Meso-American linguist, speaking on condition of anonymity’ [Ohhh, let me try to guess who is it, it looks like I know who is it, that old stout man with glasses and mustaches, and clever eyes ...good]
Sister Serghetti may well know the language of the Atlanteans.’ [Bingo!]
So I understood quite everything Robert the Bruce.
Thank you,
With best regards,
PS: But let us return to the substance of my thread, I think it is important.
Robert the Bruce
Sep 12, 2004, 04:18 AM
Dear Enki
So you can read! Good. Those observations may or may not be tongue in cheek. Just so you know - Aztlan and Atlantis are cover-up myths. This is actually under that heading in my Encyclopedia and in a larger context I deal with Ogham (Which is probably the original language that the Phoenicians developed most ALL languages on earth from.). This is my special expertise. It is one reason I was invited to academic forums including some of those South American researchers that might well seek anonymity when talking about Atlantis - which can be the kiss of death when looking for funding.
I have one whole book on the subject of Ogham and it is called OM to Ogham. I may have put the TOC here when I was doing it.
Of course you should know that Hebrew was once thought to be totally unrelated to any other language. In about 1995 this became proven wrong just as my Ogham mentors said it was derived from Phoenician - I have even heard it given as fact on Jeopardy. This is important to a person using the nickname Enki - yes, I know who Enki is and I totally debunk that whole mythology as well as much of the rest of your ruminations and 'silly' (TO quote your earlier intimation about my original excerpt - that shou7ld have caused you to ask questions rather than proceed to insist you know what you are talking about.) ideas.
Do you know what sacerdotal is? Do you have any idea why CONSTRUCTS and codes were created by the Phoenician myth-makers (Note the heading under the new thread I created that gives another silly Bible myth code still being promoted as important by the Biblical proof site people.)?
Robert the Bruce
Sep 12, 2004, 04:30 AM
Dear Enki
Are you actually going to try to promote fundamentalist thought and Bible myths to intelligent people here on this site?
Patriarch of Alexandria Petros was killed on Saturday, September 11, 2004 (S 911, 2004) when a helicopter crashed. He was heading to Holly Mount Athos, Northern Greece, he had to arrive there at 11 am. He was 115th , 55 years old Patriarch of Alexandria and Africa established by Mark the Evangelist. The Patriarchate of Alexandria and All Africa is one of the third oldest worldwide, along with that of Antioch (Syria) and Rome. He was on the flight with 11 other church officials and five crew members.
The info is kept updated so I summarized all what was reported during the day.
That info is enough to use it for very broad speculations and applications in some religions. Very simple and extremely powerful! (Actually evidence of a disturbed psychosis; and if acts are taken to make these CONSTRUCTS fit reality what does that say about those who promote such things as Armageddon?)
And the most important I do not “seek to understand” as you suppose, in this case I just have some certain opinion. (We all should 'seek to understand' but those who have 'certain opinions' are already closed to learning.)
Robert the Bruce
Sep 12, 2004, 05:03 AM
“We have it in our power to begin the world over again.” -- Paine, Common Sense, 1776.
{Member of the Rosicrucian Coucil of Three and drafter of the Declaration [even Jefferson admitted] to further the Iroquois one already in place.}
‘The world can therefore seize the opportunity (Persian Gulf crisis) to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind.’ - George H. W. Bush
{Skull & Bonesman or Illuminized Royal paladin}
Designers of myths (above) talking about their real intent (NWO) without providing the nuts and bolts of their plan (Though Woolsey and Bennett were extremely candid a year or so ago as they flat out stated this is part of the coninuing World Wars [now IV] that fit their plan to dominate the world.) or even addressing key technological and ethical issues.
Enki
Sep 12, 2004, 08:06 AM
Dear Robert the Bruce,
Wait a minute! I do not understand what you want! The thread I opened refers to some certain topic. It is supposed that under this very thread something related with that topic have to be discussed. Right? What you write is interesting, and can be interesting for those people who are venturing to study such things in depth.
But what you write has no direct connection with my thread! I understand, it has connection with other interesting topics, interesting people, interesting projects, interesting perspectives…
But here I asked certain question:
Can RCT be considered as a crime?
If you do not like the mood of presentation, then what can I do?
I am not promoting anything [it was just an abstract fresh example to transfer the mood of the approach].
I just wanted to know opinion of clever people, I know that effective synergy of ideas of specialists from different branches of science is highly effective.
So that is all what I wanted to know.
And please do not make speculations about my username, it is short and nice.
If I dare to use it, it does not mean anything. OK?!
E.g. I do not understand what you want to tell me? You can say that you think that the suggested idea with Words Matrix and Base Fractal is put in incorrect frames, that RCT is impossible or that you know good article published in Refereed Scientific Journal, which covers that problem etc, that will be normal.
But I do not understand what you what to say. You what me to read books about all the domains you mention?
It is not effective for generation of new knowledge and productive discussion.
And I do not understand why you think that I must learn your "Gospel"?
Robert the Bruce
Sep 12, 2004, 08:42 AM
Remote Controlled Terrorism.
You are suggesting this has nothing to do with the real terrorists - those like the Bushes who are carrying out the NWO plan that Bennett and Woolsey admitted to? Well it is interesting that you also suggest a referreed peer review group might be involved and that you also deign to seem cognizant of codes. I doubt any of what you say has merit or that you have thought it through. And your name suggests you are in fact part of the same group that dares to say they speak for G-d. Like George II. I am not suggeesting you are part of the Illuminati or a paladin like the Bush family but if you are to talk about Remote Controlled Terrorism you will have to understand the CONSTRUCTS that have exxisted in those circles for many millennia.
One of those CONSTRUCTS is the name you use - relating to alien reptoids. Such mythology may have meaning in some deranged cirles - but it is not real.
Enki
Sep 12, 2004, 10:44 AM
I wonder, how can you dare to make such strange accusations?
I am just suggested to discuss thematic interesting for me, and that is all!
I am just candidly wanted to know what people think about that.
You converted that into struggle with Windmills.
I have nothing in common with the imaginary or real groups [in both cases I do not care] you are referring to.
Calm down, I am just (merely) Enki. Nothing more.
In my Far Away country it is just modification of a common name.
So I conclude that you consider RCT as nonsense. Anyway, thank you for your comments, hope you will withstand from making any in future and will not shock other members of this forum letting them to express their opinion in this thread.
It looks like Rick made serious provocation asking you to express your opinion. Clever old fox!
As Mark Twain says “I always knew that Democrats are in short with the devil.”
Robert the Bruce
Sep 12, 2004, 11:34 AM
You may not see the connection because you are a dupe. Nonetheless your wild and weird scenarios that seek to equate the downing of the plane with the Patriarch of Alexandria with 9-11 and other conspiracy theory associated therewith (BTW the Celtic Christian Church was older and stronger than Acre and Alexandria at the early era of that behemoth which still had some modicum of integrity.) is fine opportunity for me to address the real terrorists.
The majority of paradigm thinkers and politicos are Remotely Controlled by Terrorists who have planned the wars that the Judaeo/Christian/Islamic sect has wrought through the centuries. So when I see someone calling me silly or the other things you do - I do respond. Fukayama goes further and includes all 'absolute religions' in his social engineering quiver (See his book The End of History and the Last Man - or actually read Chomsky who you mentioned.) And you might note I stayed away from this thread because I have seen your nonsense in other forums.
But in addition to Rick asking me to input on this thread he did so privately. I presume he did so because he saw you were outside of the code area and algorythms he is accustomed to dealing with as an expert AI design person.
Trip like I do
Sep 12, 2004, 11:42 AM
| QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 10, 02:09 PM) |
Any terror manual can be transferred (diminished to) into Words Matrix and be spread via Internet avoiding detection from NSA spider supercomputers. Any person who possesses the technology can covertly provide (terror related) technology transfer without being detected and conduct RCT.
Under Base Fractal I understand the initial subnet which origins in the brain when the Words Matrix is input. The Words Matrix can be input in the brain by the most primitive ways, e.g. by reading that Matrix. The Words Matrix can be encrypted into Poetry, Prose Writing, e-mail Spam message text etc. |
Maybe you are using word matrix in this thread of dialogue, and are trying to subliminally transmit terror related data via the guise of "Words Matrix as Base Fractal of Complex Concept or Knowledge", from your far away countrt of (?), and to encode that data via any two retinas starring at this typed dialogue.
Am I under remote control right now?
Paranoia will destroy ya.
Dan
Sep 12, 2004, 02:35 PM
I feel your pain, Enki. RTB is skilled at generating apparent credibility for dubious claims by applying force of voluminous and obscure data.
Robert the Bruce
Sep 12, 2004, 02:48 PM
Yes, RTB uses Nobel Laureates and the top people in the field that Dan says he has degrees in. For exxample Bohm, Laszlo, Heisenberg, Feynman, Bohr and all the greats.
Dan uses ridicule and NO facts (not even 'obscure').
But I am sure Dan and Enki have much in common.
Dan
Sep 12, 2004, 03:01 PM
Dan ridicules the obviously ridiculous and doens't bother to dignify professors of absurdities with factual arguments
Robert the Bruce
Sep 12, 2004, 04:10 PM
Dan doesn't have the acumen or knowledge to compete with Professors like Morowitz and the others I apply to real world situations because Dan has bought the no soul paradigm created by religions even if Dan is thinking he is not religious.
But in addition to that Dan is generally ignorant and uses only ridicule and the usual stock and trade of those who can not (Due to insecure egos and schooling of the people who need to think they are G_d.) experience life - examination by proclamation.
However, Dan - I should also say that you are capable of discerning what argument I make (as your private e-mail did indicate) even if you feel secure and avoid or DENY the reality of the QMWI and the soul you certainly have. THAT shows promise and is more than many who simply use the argument style that is taught or learned in such institutions.
Dan
Sep 12, 2004, 04:53 PM
can you remind me what QMWI means?
and,
what is the 'no soul' paradigm?
btw,
I don't know if I can keep ridiculing you if you start throwing props my way
Enki
Sep 12, 2004, 04:59 PM
| QUOTE (Dan @ Sep 12, 02:35 PM) |
| I feel your pain, Enki. RTB is skilled at generating apparent credibility for dubious claims by applying force of voluminous and obscure data. |
It was shocking indeed. I could not imagine that clear things can be turned up in such a strange manner into something unimaginable, without any purpose.
I wonder that even in our ages the well-developed Methods of scientific research still can be undermined by ignorant and aggressive heresy and false science.
I wonder how people react on some words and phrases, like robots, like zealot fanatics, making childish attempts to transfer discussions over personal domains.
They do not understand that if the other party may dare to decide to rebuff in the same manner the world may change into nightmare for them.
But I understood that better not to provoke.
Enki
Sep 12, 2004, 05:28 PM
| QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 12, 11:42 AM) |
| QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 10, 02:09 PM) | Any terror manual can be transferred (diminished to) into Words Matrix and be spread via Internet avoiding detection from NSA spider supercomputers. Any person who possesses the technology can covertly provide (terror related) technology transfer without being detected and conduct RCT.
Under Base Fractal I understand the initial subnet which origins in the brain when the Words Matrix is input. The Words Matrix can be input in the brain by the most primitive ways, e.g. by reading that Matrix. The Words Matrix can be encrypted into Poetry, Prose Writing, e-mail Spam message text etc. |
Maybe you are using word matrix in this thread of dialogue, and are trying to subliminally transmit terror related data via the guise of "Words Matrix as Base Fractal of Complex Concept or Knowledge", from your far away countrt of (?), and to encode that data via any two retinas starring at this typed dialogue.
Am I under remote control right now?
Paranoia will destroy ya.
|
I have no idea about that.
It seems to me that depends on your understanding
of what paranoia really is.
Unknown
Sep 12, 2004, 05:37 PM
and what do you know of NSA, Enki? Or RCT for that matter? Come on, no handwaving.
Trip like I do
Sep 12, 2004, 05:54 PM
A mental disease marked and dominated by delusions of persecution along with delusions of grandeur.
In this common form of scizophrenia, people come to believe that they have many enemies who want to harass and opress them. They may become suspicious of friends and relatives, or they may attribute the persecution to mysterious, unknown persons. They are convinced that they are being watched and manipulated in malicious ways. To make sense of this persecution, they often develop delusions of grandeur. They believe that they must be enourmously important people, often seeing themselves as great inventors or as great religious or political leaders.
Trip like I do
Sep 12, 2004, 05:57 PM
Subliminal perception - the registration of sensory input without conscious awareness.
Can sensory stimuli that fall beneath the threshold of awareness still influence behaviour?
Enki
Sep 12, 2004, 05:59 PM
To RTB,
I just brought in a fresh example.
I did not comment news report I sited. You made that yourself. Have you noted that? I just put on few words. Nothing more.
I did not made any statement you are assigning to me.
The statements made are done by you! Please note that peculiarity.
I just showed that even simple “coincidences” could be used to pile up “persuasive” theory without saying a word about that theory. And your strange reaction on that news citation is an interesting experimental verification of some elements of the proposed supposition.
You see just a slight citation of News Report by simple copy paste and presence of word Enki generated in your brain endless chain of passions, illusions and motivations, reanimating slipping database even turning it into aggression and baseless accusations. The process of some kind of Base Fractal growth can be observed. A normal man could just say that the example is a cool one and went on to discuss something more interesting. I am very surprised, I could not imagine that there will be such a strange effect, indeed.
But in the Middle East in some cases mad and ignorant Arab boy can choose other alternative, letting the Base Fractal to grow at the most dangerous directions. And that is very sad indeed.
It may turn so, that Rick made an excellent suggestion, suggesting you to add up comments. Old clever man.
Enki
Sep 12, 2004, 06:13 PM
| QUOTE (Unknown @ Sep 12, 05:37 PM) |
| and what do you know of NSA, Enki? |
I know that my CV does not fit to their educational standards. That is all what I know about NSA.
Enki
Sep 12, 2004, 06:16 PM
| QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 12, 05:57 PM) |
Subliminal perception - the registration of sensory input without conscious awareness.
Can sensory stimuli that fall beneath the threshold of awareness still influence behaviour? |
Interesting question.
Trip like I do
Sep 12, 2004, 06:48 PM
Yes, perception without awareness. (limen is another term for threshold, so subliminal means below threshold).
1957 - an executive named James Vicary placed hidden messages such as 'Eat Popcorn' in a film showing at a theatre in New Jersy. The messages consisted of only a few superimposed frames, so that they flashed quickly and imperceptibly.
Nonetheless, popcorn sales increased by 58%, and a public outcry ensued.
Trip like I do
Sep 12, 2004, 06:54 PM
Can listening to Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven" promote satanic ritual?
Can your sexual urges be manipulated by messages hidden under music?
Can advertisers influence your product preferences with subliminal stimuli?
Such messages are likely to be persuasive because people supposedly are defenseless against appeals operating below their threshold of awareness.
Subliminal inputs produced measureable, although small, effects in subjects who subsequently reported that they did not consciously register the stimuli, (Krosnick 1992).
Trip like I do
Sep 12, 2004, 07:15 PM
Psychophysicists use a variety of methods to relate sensory inputs to subjective perception. They have found that absolute thresholds are not really absolute.
Weber's law states that the size of a just noticeable difference is a constant proportion of the size of the initial stimulus.
Fechner's law asserts that larger and larger increases in stimulus intensity are required to produce just noticeable differences in the magnitude of sensation.
According to signal-detection theory, the detection of sensory inputs is influenced by noise in the system and by decision-making strategies.
Signal-detection theory replaces Feschner's sharp threshold with the concept of detectability.
In recent years, research has demonstrated that perception can occur without awareness.
However, research also indicates that the effects of subliminal perception are relatively weak and of little or no practical concern.
Prolonged stimulation may lead to sensory adaptation, which involves a reduction in sensitivity to constant stimulation.
Robert the Bruce
Sep 12, 2004, 08:30 PM
Dear Enki
Your post certainly is a tale of two or three cities. You have yet to define or demonstrate a coherent description of terms that is not gradnisose or unnecessarily obfuscated. When your posting of a simple code regarding the patriarch is given as an example of RCT and you intimate RCT is only happening according to some limited perspective such as you intimate - you demonstrate you are not aware of how propaganda or codes work. There are thousands of codes and millions of permutations and RCT requires the building of a willing Terrorist in order for that terrorist to be CONTROLLED - it does not simply occur according to a coded direction. Of course what you quoted was also quite numerological and naive in that respect too.
But let me ask you to explain how you (great and novel inventor that you are) can post this in your own words.
>Is this your invention?
I think that is known from very old times. I suppose it was well know e.g. to Delphi Oracle. There are quite many, scientifically well grounded, books describing the influence of mythology, tales and proverbs on development of a personality. I am 100% sure that it is well scientifically studied thematic. I think I can dare, at least, to cling for Innovation of the art, or just to say that it came across my mind. I think it is very practical knowledge for those who like Applicable Philosophy as a hobby.
When you say 'it came across your mind' and endeavour to claim some insight that the Delphi Oracle {Affected by hallucinogenic gas as archaeology has shown.} and also mention the influence of mythology you stepped into the very area I have been dealing with - yes/no?
And yet you do not even have the perspicacity to see that.
Perhaps like Dan {Who admits a penchant for 'cid.} you need to get some facts showing you actually know about the 'scientifically well grounded' studies. Let me refer you to some from Silberer and Jung and threads I started here. The myth makers that I referred you to in the matter of the Bible Code that is equally silly to yours (on another thread - my start at a TOC) of the Phoenicians or alchemists like Abaris the Druid have understood very well the use of myth to program archetypes and make Constructs for many millennia. They are my stock and trade academically.
You might want to look into the archivves here to posts by Red Dragon if he did not delete them as he did on the site he came and was throughly beaten after trying to intimate great knowledge. He was far and away superior to you in understanding what you call 'tales and proverbs {addressing .. the?} on development of a personality'.
But I doubt very much you have studied archetypes, NPL, Semiotics and Symbolism much less archaeopaleolinguistcs or hermeneutics.
Dan
Sep 12, 2004, 08:35 PM
Robert the Bruce
Sep 12, 2004, 08:40 PM
I confess I am probably beating on a mere novitiate or someone who has no clue about the subject. I note this:
QUOTE (Unknown @ Sep 12, 05:37 PM)
and what do you know of NSA, Enki?
I know that my CV does not fit to their educational standards. That is all what I know about NSA.
My oldest brother is a member of an association of Worldwide Intel people called MWAFIO. He claims to be Sartek as well. Both of these things are rather interesting and you can be sure I discuss matters with his kind and those I have personally known at General (OSS for example) or other levels of these organizations. My brother has often suggested I could indeed work for these groups. I have always told him the same thing - I work AGAINST those groups.
Robert the Bruce
Sep 12, 2004, 08:47 PM
Dear Dan
Did you mean to say I might be like the researcher of that object or were you suggesting I look like that object? I refer to another of your pubescent posts herewith:
you might like this, RTB
Yes, archaeologists often do not know the science and objects of ancients that they purport to study - eg. THE PYRAMID, the printed circuit thought to be tapestry, the red ochre usages, the Mayan language code or many other things now being better understood in fields outside of archaeology like the very area you purport to be a degreed professional in - QMWI - which in answer to your other question means Quantum Many Worlds Interpretation. Thus one (ME) suspects your Master's in Physics has no relationship to String Theory or much more than an engineering approach - or technician.