You are back-tracking but confirming nonetheless. I hear it has long term effects and I can believe it. You seem to have observed those effects are akin to insanity.

So the top physicists are stupid - gee - glad you think that way about me too.

Perhaps you might start your own branch of science soon.

you'd be surprised at how wacky these 'top' guys can get. I think they read the press clippings of their 'genius' a little too much

Now we can address the issue of real RCT.

The Canadian media did a great in depth study of the Bush Carlyle and Bin-Laden connection and I wonder about Marvin Bush's company dropping the WTC coverage and property too.

RENSE.COM

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Debunking Conspiracy Theorists
Paranoid Fantasies About 911 Detract From Real Issues
By Gerard Holmgren
c. 2003 Gerard Holmgren
2-15-3

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Astute observers of history are aware that for every notable event there will usually be at least one ,often several wild conspiracy theories which spring up around it. "The CIA killed Hendrix" " The Pope had John Lennon murdered ", "Hitler was half Werewolf", "Space aliens replaced Nixon with a clone" etc,etc. The bigger the event, the more ridiculous and more numerous are the fanciful rantings which circulate in relation to it.
So its hardly surprising that the events of Sept 11 2001 have spawned their fair share of these ludicrous fairy tales. And as always, there is - sadly - a small but gullible percentage of the population eager to lap up these tall tales, regardless of facts or rational analysis.
One of the wilder stories circulating about Sept 11, and one that has attracted something of a cult following amongst conspiracy buffs is that it was carried out by 19 fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other than that they "hate our freedoms."
Never a group of people to be bothered by facts, the perpetrators of this cartoon fantasy have constructed an elaborately woven web of delusions and unsubstantiated hearsay in order to promote this garbage across the internet and the media to the extent that a number of otherwise rational people have actually fallen under its spell.
Normally I don't even bother debunking this kind of junk, but the effect that this paranoid myth is beginning to have requires a little rational analysis, in order to consign it to the same rubbish bin as all such silly conspiracy theories.
These crackpots even contend that the extremist Bush regime was caught unawares by the attacks, had no hand in organizing them, and actually would have stopped them if it had been able. Blindly ignoring the stand down of the US air-force, the insider trading on airline stocks - linked to the CIA, the complicit behavior of Bush on the morning of the attacks, the controlled demolition of the WTC, the firing of a missile into the Pentagon and a host of other documented proofs that the Bush regime was behind the attacks, the conspiracy theorists stick doggedly to a silly story about 19 Arab hijackers somehow managing to commandeer 4 planes simultaneously and fly them around US airspace for nearly 2 hours ,crashing them into important buildings, without the US intelligence services having any idea that it was coming, and without the Air Force knowing what to do.
The huge difficulties with such a stupid story force them to invent even more preposturous stories to distract from its core silliness, and thus the tale has escalated into a mythic fantasy of truly gargantuan proportions.
It's difficult to apply rational analysis to such unmitigated stupidity, but that is the task which I take on in this article. However, it should be noted that one of the curious characteristics of conspiracy theorists is that they effortlessly change their so called evidence in response to each aspect which is debunked. As soon as one delusion is unmasked, they simply invent another to replace it, and deny that the first ever existed. Eventually, when they have turned full circle through this endlessly changing fantasy fog , they then re-invent the original delusion and deny that you ever debunked it, thus beginning the circle once more. This technique is known as "the fruit loop" and saves the conspiracy theorist from ever having to see any of their ideas through to their (ill)logical conclusions.
According to the practitioners of the fruit loop, 19 Arabs took over the 4 planes by subduing the passengers and crew through the use of guns,knives,box cutters and gas, and then used electronic guidance systems which they had smuggled on board to fly the planes to their targets.
The suspension of disbelief required for this outrageous concoction is only for the hard core conspiracy theorist. For a start, they conveniently skip over the awkward fact that there weren't any Arabs on the planes. If there were, one must speculate that they somehow got on board without being filmed by any of the security cameras and without being registered on the passenger lists. But the curly question of how they are supposed to have got on board is all too mundane for the exciting world of the conspiracy theorist. With vague mumblings that they must have been using false ID ( but never specifying which IDs they are alleged to have used, or how these were traced to their real identities), they quickly bypass this problem, to relate exciting and sinister tales about how some of the fictitious fiends were actually searched before boarding because they looked suspicious. However, as inevitably happens with any web of lies, this simply paints them into an even more difficult corner. How are they supposed to have got on board with all that stuff if they were searched ? And if they used gas in a confined space, they would have been affected themselves unless they also had masks in their luggage.
"Excuse me sir, why do you have a boxcutter, a gun, a container of gas, a gas mask and an electronic guidance unit in your luggage?"
"A present for your grandmother? Very well sir, on you get."
"Very strange", thinks the security officer. "That's the fourth Arabic man without an Arabic name who just got on board with a knife, gun or boxcutter and gas mask. And why does that security camera keep flicking off every time one these characters shows up? Must be one of those days I guess..."
Asking any of these basic questions to a conspiracy theorist is likely to cause a sudden leap to the claim that we know that they were on board because they left a credit card trail for the tickets they had purchased and cars they had rented. So if they used credit cards that identified them, how does that reconcile with the claim that they used false IDs to get on to the plane? But by this time ,the fruit loop is in full swing, as the conspiracy theorist tries to stay one jump ahead of this annoying and awkward rational analysis.They will allege that the hijackers' passports were found at the crash scenes. "So there!" they exalt triumphantly, their fanatical faces lighting up with that deranged look of one who has just a revelation of questionable sanity.
Hmm? So they got on board with false IDs but took their real passports with them? However, by this time the fruit loop has been completely circumnavigated,and the conspiracy theorist exclaims impatiently, "Who said anything about false IDs? We know what seats they were sitting in! Their presence is well documented!" And so the whole loop starts again. "Well, why aren't they on the passenger lists?"
"You numbskull! They assumed the identities of other passengers!" And so on...
Finally, out of sheer fascination with this circular method of creative delusion , the rational sceptic will allow them to get away with this loop, in order to move on to the next question, and see what further delights await us in the unraveling of this marvelously stupid story.
"Uh, how come their passports survived fiery crashes that completely incinerated the planes and all the passengers? " The answer of course is that its just one of those strange co-incidences, those little quirks of fate that do happen from time to time. You know, like the same person winning the lottery four weeks in a row. The odds are astronomical, but these things do happen...
This is another favourite deductive method of the conspiracy theorist. The "improbability drive" , in which they decide upon a conclusion without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and then continually speculate a series of wildly improbable events and unbelievable co-incidences to support it, shrugging off the implausibility of each event with the vague assertion that sometimes the impossible happens (just about all the time in their world). There is a principle called "Occam's razor" which suggests that in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct. Conspiracy theorists hate Occam's razor.
Having for the sake of amusement, allowed them to get away with with the silly story of the 19 invisible Arabs, we move on to the question of how they are supposed to have taken over the planes.
Hijacking a plane is not an easy thing to do. Hijacking it without the pilot being able to alert ground control is near impossible. The pilot has only to punch in a four digit code to alert ground control to a hijacking. Unconcerned with the awkward question of plausibility, the conspiracy buffs maintain that on that Sept 11, the invisible hijackers took over the plane by the rather crude method of threatening people with boxcutters and knives, and spraying gas (after they had attached their masks, obviously), but somehow took control of the plane without the crew first getting a chance to punch in the hijacking code. Not just on one plane, but on all four. At this point in the tale, the conspiracy theorist is again forced to call upon the services of the improbability drive.
So now that our incredibly lucky hijackers have taken control of the planes, all four pilots fly them with breath taking skill and certainty to their fiery end, all four pilots unflinching in their steely resolve for a swift meeting with Allah. Apart from their psychotic hatred of "our freedoms" , it was their fanatical devotion to Islam which enabled them to summon up the iron will to do this. Which is strange, because according to another piece of hearsay peddled by the conspiracy buffs, these guys actually went out drinking and womanizing the night before their great martyrdom, even leaving their Korans in the bar -really impeccable Islamic behavior - and then got up at 5am the next morning to pull off the greatest covert operation in history. This also requires us to believe that they were even clear headed enough to learn how to fly the huge planes by reading flight manuals in Arabic in the car on the way to the airport. We know this because they supposedly left the flight manuals there for us to find.
It gets better. Their practical training had allegedly been limited to Cessnas and flight simulators, but this was no barrier to the unflinching certainty with which they took over the planes and skillfully guided them to their doom. If they are supposed to have done their flight training with these tools, which would be available just about anywhere in the world, its not clear why they would have decided to risk blowing their cover to US intelligence services by doing the training in Florida, rather than somewhere in the Middle East, but such reasoning is foreign to the foggy world of the conspiracy theorist , too trapped in the constant rotation of the mental fruit loop to make their unsubstantiated fabrications seem even semi-believable.
Having triumphantly established a circular delusion in support of the mythical Arabs, the conspiracy theorist now confronts the difficult question of why there's nothing left of the planes. Anybody who has seen the endlessly replayed footage of the second plane going into the WTC will realize that the plane was packed with explosives. Planes do not and cannot blow up into nothing in that manner when they crash.
Did the mythical Arabs also haul a huge heap of explosives on board, and mange to deploy them in such a manner that they went off in the exact instant of the crash, completely vapourizing the plane? This is a little difficult even for the conspiracy theorist, who at this point decides that its easier to invent new laws of physics in order to keep the delusion rolling along.
There weren't any explosives. It wasn't an inside job. The plane blew up into nothing from its exploding fuel load! Remarkable! Sluggishly combustible jet fuel which is basically kerosine,and which burns at a maximum temperature of around 800 C has suddenly taken on the qualities of a ferociously explosive demolition agent, vapourizing 65 tons of aircraft into a puff of smoke. Never mind that a plane of that size contains around 15 tons of steel and titanium, of which even the melting points are about double that of the maximum combustion temperature of kerosine - let alone the boiling point - which is what would be required to vapourize a plane. And then there's about 50 tons of aluminium to be accounted for. In excess of 15lbs of metal for each gallon of kerosine.
For the conspiracy theorist, such inconvenient facts are vaguely dismissed as "mumbo jumbo". This convenient little phrase is their answer to just about anything factual or logical. Like a conjurer pulling a rabbit out of a hat, they suddenly become fanatically insistent about the devastating explosive qualities of kerosine, something hitherto completely unknown to science, but just discovered by them, this very minute. Blissfully ignoring the fact that never before or since in aviation history has a plane vapourized into nothing from an exploding fuel load, the conspiracy theorist relies upon Hollywood images, where the effects are are always larger than life, and certainly larger than the intellects of these cretins.
"Its a well known fact that planes blow up into nothing on impact." they state with pompous certainty. "Watch any Bruce Willis movie."
"Care to provide any documented examples? If it's a well known fact, then presumably this well known fact springs from some kind of documentation - other than Bruce Willis movies ?"
At this point the mad but cunning eyes of the conspiracy theorist will narrow as they sense the corner that they have backed themselves into, and plan their escape by means of another stunning backflip.
"Ah, but planes have never crashed into buildings before, so there's no way of telling." they counter with a sly grin.
Well, actually planes have crashed into buildings before and since, and not vapourized into nothing.
"But not big planes, with that much fuel ", they shriek in hysterical denial.
Or that much metal to vapourize.
"Yes but not hijacked planes!"
"Are you suggesting that whether the crash is deliberate or accidental affects the combustion qualities of the fuel?"
"Now you're just being silly".
Although collisions with buildings are rare, planes frequently crash into mountains, streets, other aircraft, nosedive into the ground,or have bombs planted aboard them, and don't vapourize into nothing. What's so special about a tower that's mostly glass? But by now, the conspiracy theorist has once again sailed happily around the fruit loop. "Its a well documented fact that planes explode into nothing on impact."
Effortlessly weaving back and forth between the position that its a "well known fact" and that "its never happened before, so we have nothing to compare it to", the conspiracy theorist has now convinced themselves ( if not too many other people) that the WTC plane was not loaded with explosives, and that the instant vapourization of the plane in a massive fireball was the same as any other plane crash you might care to mention. Round and round the fruit. loop...
But the hurdles which confront the conspiracy theorist are many, and they are now forced to implement even more creative uses for the newly discovered shockingly destructive qualities of kerosine. They have to explain how the Arabs also engineered the elegant veritcal collapse of both the WTC towers, and for this awkward fact the easiest counter is to simply deny that it was a controlled demolition, and claim that the buildings collapsed from fire caused by the burning kerosine.
For this, its necessary to sweep aside the second law of thermodynamics and propose kerosine which is not only impossibly destructive, but also recycles itself for a second burning in violation of the law of degradation of energy. You see, it not only consumed itself in a sudden catastrophic fireball , vapourizing a 65 ton plane into nothing, but then came back for a second go, burning at 2000C for another hour at the impact point, melting the skyscraper's steel like butter. And while it was doing all this it also poured down the elevator shafts, starting fires all through the building. When I was at school there was a little thing called the entropy law which suggests that a given portion of fuel can only burn once, something which is readily observable in the real world, even for those who didn't make it to junior high school science. But this is no problem for the conspiracy theorist. Gleefully, they claim that a few thousand gallons of kerosine is enough to
: completely vapourize a 65 ton aircraft
: have enough left over to burn ferociously enough for over an hour at the impact point to melt steel ( melting point about double the maximum combustion temperature of the fuel )
: still have enough left over to pour down the elevator shafts and start similarly destructive fires all through the building.
This kerosine really is remarkable stuff! How chilling to realize that those kerosine heaters we had in the house when I was a kid were deadly bombs, just waiting to go off. One false move and the entire street might have been vapourized. And never again will I take kerosine lamps out camping. One moment you're there innocently holding the lamp - the next - kapow! Vapourized into nothing along with with the rest of the camp site, and still leaving enough of the deadly stuff to start a massive forest fire.
These whackos are actually claiming that the raging inferno allegedly created by the miraculously recycling, and impossibly hot burning kerosine melted or at least softened the steel supports of the skyscraper. Oblivious to the fact that the smoke coming from the WTC was black, which indicates an oxygen starved fire -therefore, not particularly hot, they trumpet an alleged temperature in the building of 2000 C , without a shred of evidence to support this curious suspension of the laws of physics.
Not content with this ludicrous garbage, they then contend that as the steel frames softened, they came straight down instead of buckling and twisting and falling sideways.
Since they're already re-engineered the combustion qualities of jet fuel, violated the second law of thermodynamics, and re-defined the structural properties of steel, why let a little thing like the laws of gravity get in the way?
The tower fell in a time almost identical to that of a free falling object, dropped from that height, meaning that its physically impossible for it to have collapsed by the method of the top floors smashing through the lower floors. But according to the conspiracy theorists, the laws of gravity were temporarily suspended on the morning of Sept 11. It appears that the evil psychic power of those dreadful Arabs knew no bounds. Even after they were dead, they were able, by the power of their evil spirits, to force down the tower at a speed physically impossible under the laws of gravity, had it been meeting any resistance from fireproofed steel structures originally designed to resist many tons of hurricane force wind as well as the impact of a Boeing passenger jet straying off course.
Clearly, these conspiracy nuts never did their science homework at school, but did become extremely adept at inventing tall tales for why.
"Muslim terrorists stole my notes, sir"
"No miss, the kerosine heater blew up and vapourized everything in the street, except for my passport."
"You see sir, the schoolbus was hijacked by Arabs who destroyed my homework because they hate our freedoms."
Or perhaps they misunderstood the term "creative science" and mistakenly thought that coming up with such rubbish was in fact, their science homework.
The ferocious heat generated by this ghastly kerosine was, according to the conspiracy theorists, the reason why so many of the WTC victims can't be identified. DNA is destroyed by heat. (Although 2000 C isn't really required, 100C will generally do the job.) This is quite remarkable, because according to the conspiracy theorist, the nature of DNA suddenly changes if you go to a different city.
That's right! If you are killed by an Arab terrorist in NY, your DNA will be destroyed by such temperatures. But if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in Washington DC, your DNA will be so robust that it can survive temperatures which completely vapourize a 65 ton aircraft.
You see, these loonies have somehow concocted the idea that the missile which hit the pentagon was not a missile at all, but one of the hijacked planes. And to prove this unlikely premise, they point to a propaganda statement from the Bush regime, which rather stupidly claims that all but one of the people aboard the plane were identified from the site by DNA testing, even though nothing remains of the plane. The plane was vapourized by the fuel tank explosion maintain these space loonies, but the people inside it were all but one identified by DNA testing.
So there we have it. The qualities of DNA are different, depending upon which city you're in, or perhaps depending upon which fairy story you're trying to sell at any particular time.
This concoction about one of the hijacked planes hitting the Pentagon really is a howler. For those not familiar with the layout of the Pentagon, it consists of 5 rings of building, each with a space inbetween. Each ring of building is about 30 to 35 ft deep, with a similar amount of open space between it and the next ring. The object which penetrated the Pentagon went in at about a 45 degree angle, punching a neat circular hole of about a 12 ft diameter through three rings ( six walls).A little later a section of wall about 65 ft wide collapsed in the outer ring. Since the plane which the conspiracy theorists claim to be responsible for the impact had a wing span of 125 ft and a length of 155 ft, and there was no wreckage of the plane, either inside or outside the building, and the lawns outside were still smooth and green enough to play golf on, this crazy delusion is clearly physically impossible.
But hey, we've already disregarded the combustion qualities of jet fuel, the normal properties of common building materials, the properties of DNA, the laws of gravity and the second law of thermodynamics, so what the hell - why not throw in a little spatial impossibility as well ? I would have thought that the observation that a solid object cannot pass through another solid object without leaving a hole at least as big as itself is reasonably sound science. But to the conspiracy theorist, this is "mumbo jumbo". It conflicts with the delusion that they're hooked on, so it "must be wrong" although trying to get then to explain exactly how it could be wrong is a futile endeavour.
Conspiracy theorists fly into a curious panic whenever the Pentagon missile is mentioned.They nervously maintain that the plane was vapourized by it's exploding fuel load and point to the WTC crash as evidence of this behavior. (That's a wonderful fruit loop.) Like an insect which has just been sprayed, running back and forth in its last mad death throes, they first argue that the reason the hole is so small is that plane never entered the wall, having blown up outside, and then suddenly backflip to explain the 250 ft deep missile hole by saying that the plane disappeared all the way into the building, and then blew up inside the building (even though the building shows no sign of such damage). As for what happened to the wings - here's where they get really creative. The wings snapped off and folded into the fuselage which then carried them into the building, which then closed up behind the plane like a piece of meat.
When it suits them, they'll also claim that the plane slid in on its belly, (ignoring the undamaged lawn) while at the same time citing alleged witnesses to the plane diving steeply into the building from an "irrecoverable angle." How they reconcile these two scenarios as being compatible is truly a study in stupidity.
Once they get desperate enough, you can be sure that the UFO conspiracy stuff will make an appearance. The Arabs are in league with the Martians. Space aliens snatched the remains of the Pentagon plane and fixed most of the hole in the wall, just to confuse people. They gave the Arabs invisibility pills to help get them onto the planes. Little green men were seen were seen talking to Bin Laden a few weeks prior to the attacks.
As the nation gears up to impeach the traitor Bush, and stop his perpetual oil war, it's not helpful to have these idiots distracting from the process by spreading silly conspiracy theories about mythical Arabs, stories which do nothing but play into the hands of the extremist Bush regime.
At a less serious time, we might tolerate such crackpots with amused detachment, but they need to understand that the treachery that was perpetrated on Sept 11, and the subsequent war crimes committed in "retaliation" are far too serious for us to allow such frivolous self indulgence to go unchallenged.
Those who are truly addicted to conspiracy delusions should find a more appropriate outlet for their paranoia.
Its time to stop loony conspiracy theories about Sept 11.

yeah, that about says it all about you, RTB

you are a real good thinker

Did you read it? Actually I should ask if you can read - to suggest you are a physicist and did not know QMWI is ludicrous. I truly suspect you are a total druuged out fraud.

yeah, it was a nice piece of fantasy. If you are showing it as an example of paranoid thinking gone awry, then I have misinterpreted your intention and apologize

as for your new paranoia concerning myself, you might be right. I might just be pulling your leg

Continued from/on:

"inSaNItY, for all you nuts out there "

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/illuminati.htm

An alternative conspiracy theorist to RTB that confirms some of his writings.

Read, digest then judge.

Freedman is another who blew the whistle on his former buddies. Both of them are wrong about some things and right about many. One thing you must remember when reading this is 'Who is a Jew' (It is the title of one of my books - and also keep in mind that Baal is Phoenician where the same god was B: of the Kelts and Mesopotamians going back to the city of BL (Ba'albek) which became Heliopolis (one of). Heliopolitans are sun-worshippers but sun is also son and this Satan stuff is really bad scholarship. Luciferian they are though.

There are facts in it and it is meant to be humorous. In all cases one has to check the facts - especially those that come from commissions arranged to cover up the facts. MY oldest brother's group includes many of the experts who manage these cover ups.

Other things that come to my mind when I think about your topic is:

Spiral Dynamics: Which explains human behavior, as few meme types.

Astrology: Which classifies Humans into few pre-defined types, and explains their behavior.

RGB: Any color can be reduced to a combination of Red, Green, and Blue. (May be something similar exists for Human behavior.)

Music/paintings/Quotes: Certain music, painting, quotes... can inspire a person to an extent and can trigger a change in his behavior, or make him to act in certain way.

Shouldn't the application be Remote Controlled Human Behavior, rather than terrorism?

You have also indicated that "80% recovery of the Initial Knowledge" is possible. Does this mean you have some theory to justify this?

The use of HAARP and SDI

See Laurence Persinger (Jose Delgado)
David Guyatt and others

Yes, it is not limited to terrorism and psychotherapists are finding their clients are pre-hypnotized so they can no longer use hypnosis.

This is the biggest TERROR or War on Terra.

Re: Homgren's piece from Rense.com

There are many better facts that this author did not include - but he did a humorous job of making a point.

Marvin Bush's Insurance company.
Bin Laden's Family passes
Bush-Carlyle as exposed on Canadian Media
The specific order for Langley planes to stand down long after the WTC had come under attack
John O'Neill
Gore Vidal
Chomsky
The cheering Mossad agents

This is a very conventional anthology of the people seeking after sensory programming potentials.

http://carbon.cudenver.edu/~mryder/itc_dat...ics.html#vissem

Andre Malraux, who was the Propaganda Minister for De Gaulle’s elitist desires in a country ruled by Merovingians, says these interesting words.


“Art is a dialogue we have always carried out with the unknown. We have come to distinguish the contours of the unknown through the unconscious, through religion and magic and we may soon begin to understand such totally modern emotions as the feeling that we belong to the future, that our civilization is the sum of others.�


This is already a truism for the adepts who tap into the akashic archetypal knowledge. Will the human race achieve the necessary critical mass of awareness to “make it so�, as Jean Luc Picard is wont to say on Star Trek? We must end the program called education or at least throw it out in exchange for one that does something other than put glorified baby-sitters without authority in an untenable situation. The hands of teachers must not be tied and the result should be determined by the attendance and collective interest rather than forced participation. Age should not concern the authorities. Learning should not end at some specified age and the one pie Malthusian ethic must be dumped. The possibilities of the Mysteries are far too vast for any teacher I have known to actually teach. My first wife and significant other for 25 years is a World Congress of Teachers personage in the Who’s Who of Teaching. She was burned-out and thinking of quitting when I met her. She will retire after 35 years of teaching next year, I think.


Alfred North Whitehead or Kaoru Yamamoto of recent times show us that the educational researchers know what is not being done – but do they know why? There is a reason why we are encouraged to follow rather than think. The Family Compact ruled Canada not long ago and they are on record for saying the truth. Why educate the masses? It will only present further difficulty for those who manage us? They are not Beneficently Paternalistic as they would have you believe. They are what any dispassionate observer of Dr. Mengele would witness. We must not teach against Noam Chomsky who was an educational psychological guru of the top rank before he began his dirges on the CIA and Policy Makers. We must not accept the insidious nature of social engineers like Francis Fukayama who wrote The End of History and The Last Man. If we continue in this vein we will experience what the title of his book conveys. De Tocqueville was a keen observer of the future as was George Orwell and if there is no Time Travel we may only hope that the Matrix is enjoyable.


They are aliens! Alien to the concept of Brotherhood and Love that was once rampant upon the earth, as I see it. Egalitarian ethics and the nurturing force of women are required. Not women who imitate men but women like Virginia Woolf who I quoted in another article as she railed against sovereign states and male sex instincts as if they are derived from the same ethic or value system. But who is afraid of Virginia Woolf?

What should be said of us, who are forced to live piously, not by devotion but by terror? – Maximus of Turin

I think a good analogy to Enki's idea is DNA. DNA does not explicitly contain all the information one can derive from a fully developed lifeform, but it is sufficient to influence the physical processes which generate the explicit structures embodying this information. One might say that the information is not only contained in the DNA, but also in the physical environment and it is the synergy of the two which generates the full pattern which is the animal. Similarly, Enki's 'word matrix' is thought of as a simple idea that, taken explicitly, is not very informative. But, through interaction of this idea with humans (psychologically and socially), a complex pattern of individual and social thought and behavior emerges that is far more than the sum of the initial input. The crux of Enki's idea is, can one reverse-engineer a complex system of thought to a simple initial idea such that the transmission of this simple idea to new host minds leads to the redevelopment of the initial complex system of thought? And, if possible, is it then possible that this technique could be used to create 'trojan horse' ideas that can transmit politically dangerous ideas past unsuspecting thought police?

I have no doubt that RTB can write volumes about how such 'technique' may have been used (at least to some degree) by the 'social engineers' of history

Dear Dan

I have already given lots of researcher's names who have written volumes about thought cloning (Which is the real term that should be used here from a scientific POV.) and other social engineering and black ops programs. However, my specialty as Rick noted when he asked for my input to something I obviously have put loads of threads up about long before Enki arrived - is the truly ancient usages of mind-fogging, archetypes and the Lost Chord technology including remote poison such as the Borgias used. This is all part of the same soulful sciences or usages of the ether that has gone on longer than Melchizedek and the other Druids or alchemists.

And yes, I have written many MANY volumes on it.

http://www.eidos.uwaterloo.ca/pdfs/novak-eidos.pdf

The above message is mine, sorry for technical error.

To Rajesh,

Please read my last comments to Dan's comments above, I think it have to clarify some points.

And try to consider meaning of the words Base Fractal in more broad way. Each word can have (has) slight fluctuation in meaning.

I think that fluctuation have to generate new face of the word (just like new face of crystal emerges with the crystal growth).

I think that DNA example and Crystal growth example can transfer the meaning.

Dear Enki

Those are your own words.

And never did I say RTC is nonsense - you are using improper terms for the science. I do think the very word terrorist is quite biased and prejediced in most usages so I think this hampers any chance of real communication. Apparently you have not studied or even read what I said to you much less the threads here I referred you to.

Are you not just talking about an application as if all programming is not always a form of Remote Terrorism Control. You see just because a person labels an individual as a terrorist does not make that person anything different than the enemy. Just because a code is called Enigma or the NATION has standing does not mean it is not terror that is about to be communicated or directions given for the U-boat to sink a ship with people on board does it. Maybe a better example is how we call the Afghani 'freedom fighters' when they work for us and something quite different after a few years when we left a million of them dead and did nothing (promised as in the case of the Hmung) to aid them or make things different. Maye you can relate to Menachim Begin being a wanted man with a price on his head and then suddenly he is a respected world leader with a country which persecutes others who formerly held dominion over the area.

Then you use the word Matrix and one wonders should we regard this like we might regard a mathematical term like S-Matrix or should we think of it like the movie of the name MATRIX - which deals with RTC.

It is a highly complex field - NLP and thought-cloning or psy-ops with hypnosis, subliminal programming and other training methods. There are many tools or usages including drugs, hypnosis and symbology or things like music (Wagner for example). Then there is the black ops and black arts that have been in usse for millennia if not longer.

Dear Enki

Here are your words again - My observations show that the Methodology works without hitches.


This means you think you have developed a methodology separate from all the varied scientists and scholars in fields such as Semiotics, Linguistics, Spritual Sciences like Yoga (Including nutrition and the Gunas of Ayurveda or aromatherapy and many other ways that ideas are communicated and attitudes formed), Psychotherapy, Thought Cloning, Educational Psychology, and even some of the harder sciences that sense there is a real and important consciousness which sits at the root of the formation of ideas.

dear enki

could you tell me how your concept adds to semiotics and the use of any form of communication (social or otherwise) to manipulate, educate or affect information trasfer.

here is a brief idea of what semiotics deals with from one of the links i provided.

a more common approach to semiotics involves presenting it, on the one hand, as a multidirectional and often ideologically invested rehearsal of discussions about the nature of signs and signification {in other words all communication} that have gone on for centuries, while, on the other hand, also maintaining that it is ultimately a well-grounded discipline informed by an elaborate and precise conceptual agreement embraced by semioticians in general.

You might try to clean this up and try to make simple sense (if there is any in it) out of an apparent tautology or circuitous device.

You say:

No I think it is not so similar to Fractal Compression. It sounds very similar, but it sounds similar optionally. But it is very near conceptually.

No I want you to try to communicate and learn rather than try to come off as an innovator of something truly 'murky' while denigrating actual sciences that precede and outdistance you. Your idea is nothing more than one simple part of how codes work. And there are so many constructs that to suggest you can by-pass or circumvent NSA or others is most interesting - it will have to be done in an ether I know nothing about - beyond the templates of Teilhard de Chardin. Even in that ether they are most active.

Try this thread for a starter.

http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?show...t=0&#entry29561

To RTB,

Let me explain you something, there are many civilizations over this planet, each creates new knowledge, each knowledge has its own form of representation.Sometimes similar knowledge can be created in different places.
As I told you I do not claim anything special!!!

There are many tools on thins planet. I am not talking about the invention of the tool. I am just talking about the art of using it. I am talking about craftsmanship and new opportunities.

And I still did not get answer on my question: can RCT be considered as a crime?

You constantly try to question the scope of my knowledge. But it is just a forum, it is not an academic seminar. And I am not your student or something like that. Please mind that.

In your last missive you say that a terrorist is not created and already exists. This Hobbesian, (Lewis, Machiaveli etc) idea that man is basically and completely aggressive and unwilling to wrok co-operatively for the good of the many is a total construct from the Matrix (Word and more) that has been built by social engineers like Fukayama and all religions he and his ilk have used for millennia.

It is not a crime it is the tool they use to cause you to think as you do.

It should be a crime - but it is not.

You say - in the missive referring to all the sciences I try to point out are way ahead of you as 'murky'.

I am talking about the teaching process which cannot be detected.

'Murky' and 'cannot be detected' surely relate.

However, there is no such thing evident in any of what you have said. In fact the lattices of conscious constructs (Fractal like Fibonacci and Mandelbrot or other mandalic symbology) in all dimensions as well as the physiological inputs that form attitudes (Only one third of what we learn comes through linear logical or intellectual processes according to a Harvard study) are quite under inspection and are being enhanced and used - what kind of methodology have you referred to that is not possible to 'detect'?

To RTB,

I consider your way of communicating with people as counterproductive, aggressive, offensive, self-pompous, self-assured. Such people as you just impart to the Input as much noise as it is possible expecting to get reflected image or just trying rhetorically to suppress others individuality. The roots of such inclinations are well known in psychology.

If you do not like the thread, do not make comments. And please keep off. Such people as you just create irritation and headache.

You are looking as a man saying to David “Look David at Goliath, he is big, he is great, he has so many weapons, his glittering armament shine under the sun causing fear, you are just nothing David. Your laughable stone and that rope are nothing David.” But the matter is that Good God may dare to have other opinion under the Sun.

The nature is based on Synergy. Try to read works of Prigozhin.

You dare write "It is not a crime it is the tool they use to cause you to think as you do. "

I think as I want! That is the only thing on this planet I can do freely. And keep your silly suppositions for yourself.

You write "What kind of methodology have you referred to that is not possible to 'detect'?"

I mean that when NSA supercomputer spider intercepts Word Matrix it cannot derive any conclusion to report to Human operator that the message have to be considered with scrutiny. Moreover, if the Word Matrix is inserted into well-constructed Spam e-mail then situation changes dramatically. Though NSA plans to recruit many people in the coming years, it still, I think, will not be able to conduct effective war on terror.
And I think that AQ has great perspectives in world. That is very bad, but that is so.

But I do not want to discuss with you anything, anymore. I do not like your offensive manner of communication.

"And in thy Silence was his Sentence,
And in his Soul a vain repentance,
And evil dread so ill dissembled,
That in his hand the lightnings trembled."

How a dialogue on "Word matrix..." could steer the dialogue in itself to evoke certain trigger words that had cause/effect on opposition party that resulted in direct response wherin more trigger words were used, and so on....

...a kind of verbal terrorism ensued or is occuring.

Dear Enki

In this world the terrorists who are duped (as all are) often refuse to listen to those who have learned. Ignorance is BLISS and this is why the Synarchists are possibly right (They call themselves 'Beneficial Paternalists).

The Constructs created by the higher-ups to NSA are quite capable of taking all communication into account. Yes, Clipper Chips and Echelon require a lot of detailed analysis for the simple directives but they record all communication and have AI and other ways to target truly interesting communications (even wireless).

They have outlawed encryption algorythms that operate at higher speeds but the real terrorists are not restricted by such laws. But again I iterate - the real Construct of Matrixes creates the real effront to ethics that makes such programming so immoral (though not illegal).

It would appear you are talking about a minor computer coding and not something that has much meaning except in the mundane aspects of Intel (an oxymoron) but I will continue to monitor your posts and when I see you stray into your often expressed dogma or dumping of your unconscious programming I will (of course) exercise my rights to give input to those who might mistake what you say for something meaningful.

Ya, and in detached transcendence he will pave the ways of Christ, protecting all the lambs from provocations of the ignorant Devil.

Amen!

If RCT is not a crime, and all what I say is stupidity
I can demonstrate Very Short, Extremely Primitive
and very worldly Words Matrix, which, in my opinion,
incorporates horrific destructive power.

Maybe it is necessary to do so otherwise I fear
to continue to live in eternal oblivion here?

Maybe my suppositions are quite misleading?
So, should I demonstrate Words Matrix containing
some kind of Manual which can be used for RCT? Or not?
I am hesitating in my heart.

I read that we all have freedom of choice.

Sick puppy.

You say:

I can demonstrate Very Short, Extremely Primitive
and very worldly Words Matrix, which, in my opinion,
incorporates horrific destructive power.


Yes, but your ego is running away with your delusions of power unless it is even more problematical than that (if you actually think you are like Jesus warning the lambs - and Jesus who is an amalgam would roll over in his crypt to see such dogma put in his mouth). You are only addressing a simple code to convey a message to those already programmed to do the dirty work. The real crime is in the creation of the dogma and the social constructs that are Semiotically supported in political correctness and through all systems of governance.

Those short numerological examples such as you gave with the downing of the Patriarch's plane can work for a day or two but trigger words that go to a book already in the hand of the faithful are far better.

You say:

I fear to continue to live in eternal oblivion here?

I say:

Ego causes one to think of eternal oblivion. True SELF or soul causes one to see a ONENESS of collective soul that is immortal and not even earth or materially bound.

And please do not bring the name of Jesus about.

So?