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Robert the Bruce
OOPs. Error - infer you s/b infer I
Rick
Trip, your viewing profile is no more informative than Enki's. However, listening to the clues here, I can guess:

Enki and Eridug are names from Sumerian legend. Enki lives in Iraq?
Trip like I do
It's a possibility Rick. Anything is possible contrary to most Post-modern thought.

You're also right in some regards to my viewer's profile. I am reveiled through continuous dialogue, as we all are.
Rick
I must be mostly post-modernist then, because I think some things are impossible.
Trip like I do
I've twisted the lightbulb around many a dance fire with many a middle-eastern friend.

"Imagination is greater than knowledge."
Trip like I do
QUOTE (Rick @ Sep 15, 12:29 PM)
I must be mostly post-modernist then, because I think some things are impossible.

Insightful as opposed to inciteful.
Enki
Let me remind you gentlemen, that the topic name is the following:

Words Matrix as Base Fractal of Complex Concept or Knowledge

It seems to me that the topic have exhausted its capacities.
Trip like I do
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 15, 01:20 PM)
It seems to me that the topic have exhausted its capacities.

Whose capacities are exhausted, we're just scratching the surface here.
You started the thread. You have nothing left to add?
Trip like I do
No arguing, just honest and insightful dialogue is what should be strived for. I realize your technique or approach may involve an arguementative style of discoure, or you seem extremely closed to outside and opposing thought (Western thought?). Is that the style you were reared in?
Trip like I do
See through the illusion of self.

Ideas have to compete with each other, and the best will last.

Primacy fx and recency fx.
Trip like I do
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 15, 01:20 PM)
Let me remind you gentlemen....

Confucius - Analects

· 2:13 The true gentleman preaches only what he practices.

· 2:14 The gentleman considers the whole rather than the parts.

· 2:2 Think no evil.

· 4:11 A gentleman seeks virtue, a small man seeks land. A gentleman seeks justice, a small man seeks favours.

· 4:12 He who acts out of self-interest arouses much resentment.

· 4:24 A gentleman should be slow to speak and prompt to act.

· 13:26 A gentleman shows authority, but no arrogance. A vulgar man shows arrogance, but no authority.
Unknown
QUOTE (Rick @ Sep 15, 12:29 PM)
I must be mostly post-modernist then, because I think some things are impossible.


Some would say that "impossible" is a weak man's fallacy.
Enki
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 15, 01:40 PM)
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 15, 01:20 PM)
It seems to me that the topic have exhausted its capacities.

Whose capacities are exhausted, we're just scratching the surface here.
You started the thread. You have nothing left to add?

No, some persons just started to scratch my personality.
Under these new conditions I feel I have nothing to add.

Acheronta movebo!
Enki
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 15, 04:07 PM)
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 15, 01:20 PM)
Let me remind you gentlemen....

Confucius - Analects

· 2:13 The true gentleman preaches only what he practices.

· 2:14 The gentleman considers the whole rather than the parts.

· 2:2 Think no evil.

· 4:11 A gentleman seeks virtue, a small man seeks land. A gentleman seeks justice, a small man seeks favours.

· 4:12 He who acts out of self-interest arouses much resentment.

· 4:24 A gentleman should be slow to speak and prompt to act.

· 13:26 A gentleman shows authority, but no arrogance. A vulgar man shows arrogance, but no authority.


huh.gif Oh I have forgot your lordship, how could I dare to equal myself with such prominent, noble white people like you are?!!!

How could I dare not to bow before your magnanimity and over-shining wisdom?!!!
How could I - a wrecked oriental dwarf to dare not to thank the all-mighty god for such an opportunity to dare to communicate with such noble white people?!!!
How could I dare not to bow before the shining power of the second tower, which still [or maybe yet] stands so firm, in contrary to the other duplex?!!! rolleyes.gif
Enki
QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Sep 15, 12:17 PM)
I sincerely doubt you can not simply stop the programming that causes your fears (such as stated by you 'eternal oblivion') - I did. It has nothing to do with where you live. It has everything to do with knowing yourself.

Oh the shining diamond of western wisdom,
Your Illustrious Lord RTB,

Let me explain you something. I do not want to bring here any personal issue. It was you first who started to speak that I am part of something, that I am under influence of something, and started to teach me how world is great and that I am nothing in it and that I have to shut up. That is your approach. I do not like your approach. And I candidly wrote that I do not like your approach. But when you continued in the same mood: made my example about the death of Patriarch of Alexandria something defining everything, I do not know why started to accentuate about the phrase Eternal Oblivion and moreover dared to speculate about the location, I understood that the cultural differences are so deep that better not to discuss anything with you.

E.g. I could bring another example, which was well known related with 9/11 and 3/11, and in this case I am sure that you would not speculate on that thematic as it is old and well known info: there are 912 days lying between 9/11/01 and 3/11/04 and if to take into account that the event location and the clock are located at different places, so taking into account the Time Zone difference it can be considered that there are 911 days between 9/11/01 and 3/11/04.

So please in future withstand from pinning badges on unknown people. You never know who slips in the dark room: a fat cat or enormous dragon.
Enki
Off-topic remindment info for The People:

Murky genius of charming German student (or short remarks from the profile of M&G cjsc).

QUOTE
HDW has signed contracts for 16 fuel cell submarines

15 September 2004


Author: Stefan Geiger, Global Insight

Provider: Fuel Cell Today
http://www.fuelcelltoday.com/index/0,1571,,00.html

By the name of "U 33“, last week Jutta Doenitz christened one of the most modern non-nuclear submarines in the world from Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft AG (HDW) in Kiel. The Class 212 A submarine is intended for service in the German Navy, and is the third of four submarines which are currently being built at HDW and at the Nordseewerke in Emden. After an extensive period of sea trials, it is expected that "U 33“ will enter service on 31 January 2006.
The characteristic feature of the new submarine Class 212, which has been developed by HDW, is an atmospheric air-independent propulsion system based on the hydrogen fuel cell. HDW is thus the first company in the world to produce a production-ready fuel-cell propulsion system. The fuel cell, which produces electricity from hydrogen and oxygen, enables the new class of submarine to cruise submerged for weeks at a time. Conventional diesel-electric submarines have exhausted their batteries after about two days' submerged cruising. In addition, the fuel cell generates no noise and no exhaust heat. It is thus virtually impossible to fix the submarine's position.

The further development of position-finding technology and the increasing number of submarine-hunting methods, together with the extended field of deployment, necessitated the development of the new Class A generation of submarines. The extremely favourable signatures, the fuel-cell propulsion system and the position-finding and weapons technology will ensure that the new type of submarines will be successful in every conceivable field of operations. At the same time, the design of the vessel is characterised by a high degree of availability and low maintenance costs.

In the speech he made at the christening, HDW Board member Walter Freitag pointed out that the very early decision to use the fuel cell in submarine construction had laid the foundations for HDW's technological market leadership.

The development of the fuel cell propulsion system has produced a series of subsequent orders for HDW. Thus, HDW has received orders for seven submarines of the export version Class 214 submarine, of which four vessels are for the Greek Navy and three other vessels for the Korean Navy. The Italian Navy has also followed the example of the German Navy with two Class 212 A submarines which are being built at Fincantieri. The Portuguese Navy has signed a contract to have three of its Class 209 submarines modernised with a fuel-cell propulsion system. Eventually, the Greek Navy will have 3 of its Class 209 submarines modernised with a fuel cell propulsion system. Thus, the German technology of the atmospheric air-independent submarine propulsion system is meanwhile being used by five Navies.

Unknown
Enki of Eridug,

Are you experiencing a state of freedom now? Are you striving for freedom?

Freedom of thought and freedom of expression?

Are you versed in Western thought? From its concrete foundations and upward?

What authority do you have to start a forum topic on 'Word Matrix...."?

Are you an authority on the science of word matrix studies via educational background?

How did you come about this jnowledge.

If you are truly after an open and free dialogue about certain issues maybe if you were less sensitive to certain responses from certain members, the course of dialogue would run less threateningly, or are you just on this site to provoke and incite as opposed to evoke and insight.

You are free to consciously make that decision are you not?

"Listen not to me but the words that are coming out of my mouth."
Unknown
that's it Enki,

Hang out with your wang out.
Robert the Bruce
Sarcasm is a low form of wit and your paranoia makes evidence for all the attributions about your terrorist tendencies as well as the utter incongruity of your stated methodology or understanding of programming for Control.

Your racist comments here are quite troublesome and no one here (That I saw) made any reference to color and you started with the idea that you lived in a place that has no freedom so we reached out (Rick did) to suggest an opportunity exxisted for you to share something REAL about yourself including whether or not you live in Iraq. Needless to say we all can appreciate the difficulties of that part of the world that still embroils the world in all its constant and UN-holy wars that cause so many holes by the acts of real ass-holes. I am referring to your words to Trip (although I could have used similar ones directed at me).

Oh I have forgot your lordship, how could I dare to equal myself with such prominent, noble white people like you are?!!!

How could I dare not to bow before your magnanimity and over-shining wisdom?!!!
How could I - a wrecked oriental dwarf to dare not to thank the all-mighty god for such an opportunity to dare to communicate with such noble white people?!!!
How could I dare not to bow before the shining power of the second tower, which still [or maybe yet] stands so firm, in contrary to the other duplex?!!!
trip
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 15, 08:54 PM)
That is your approach. I do not like your approach. And I candidly wrote that I do not like your approach.

Maybe less candidly might aid you in expressing your views.

Do they not teach the art of sugar coating, smoothness, buttering, etc. where you are from?

The art of dialectic intercourse.
trip
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 15, 08:17 PM)
How could I dare not to bow before the shining power of the second tower, which still [or maybe yet] stands so firm, in contrary to the other duplex?!!!

Now that string (matrix) of words is intiguing.
Some nice parallels.
Unknown
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 15, 08:17 PM)
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 15, 04:07 PM)
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 15, 01:20 PM)
Let me remind you gentlemen....

Confucius - Analects

· 2:13 The true gentleman preaches only what he practices.

· 2:14 The gentleman considers the whole rather than the parts.

· 2:2 Think no evil.

· 4:11 A gentleman seeks virtue, a small man seeks land. A gentleman seeks justice, a small man seeks favours.

· 4:12 He who acts out of self-interest arouses much resentment.

· 4:24 A gentleman should be slow to speak and prompt to act.

· 13:26 A gentleman shows authority, but no arrogance. A vulgar man shows arrogance, but no authority.


huh.gif Oh I have forgot your lordship, how could I dare to equal myself with such prominent, noble white people like you are?!!!

How could I dare not to bow before your magnanimity and over-shining wisdom?!!!
How could I - a wrecked oriental dwarf to dare not to thank the all-mighty god for such an opportunity to dare to communicate with such noble white people?!!!
How could I dare not to bow before the shining power of the second tower, which still [or maybe yet] stands so firm, in contrary to the other duplex?!!! rolleyes.gif

Nice reference to 'his lordship' as I was quoting Confucius the ancient.

Your rant makes sense when viewed as thus, except Confucius isn't 'white'.

"....prominent, noble....your magnanimity and over-shining wisdom....shining power...."

Riddle me this!!!?
Enki
QUOTE (trip @ Sep 15, 09:42 PM)
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 15, 08:17 PM)
How could I dare not to bow before the shining power of the second tower, which still [or maybe yet] stands so firm, in contrary to the other duplex?!!!

Now that string (matrix) of words is intiguing.
Some nice parallels.


Some create vocabulary, make it common for all, the others then draft something similar to the Words Matrix. Old Classics. Then when the Words Plateau shapes in the brain the Base Fractal forms. Then the target is get locked. But it is not the very RCT I speak about. Because in RCT, in my opinion, it is not necessary to create vocabulary. To use the old classics one needs to have material resources. As it seems to me RCT does not require material resources. I think it is the fundamental difference in the approaches.

I think that the RCT exemplifies the greatness of Sir Francis Bacon statement that Knowledge are power.

So I want to say that any Individual who has knowledge can have extremely great Power, even not having financial resources. I think here is the Prophets Power of moving mountains. So simple, so evident and so powerful. It is some kind of Art of Wisdom. Old people were believing in the power of spell. It looks like that all can be diminished to simple explanation.

So the times of the Wizards are not over, they are just ready to begin. tongue.gif biggrin.gif
Enki
QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Sep 15, 09:21 PM)
we reached out (Rick did) to suggest an opportunity exxisted for you to share something REAL about yourself

To Rober the Bruce,

I do not want to use EXXXXXXXXXXXISTED opportunity to share something REAL about myself. Because in this thread I wanted to discuss the topic interesting for me and not my personal issues. Because it is just a Forum!

Why should I share something about myself?

I DO NOT WANT. AND F.O.!
Unknown
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 15, 08:54 PM)
You never know who slips in the dark room: a fat cat or enormous dragon.

you can usually pick out the fat cats as those who make a lot of noise and smell foul.
Unknown
Enki, you sound an aweful lot like someone else who was here who went by the name of "Fat Dragon" or something like that. Is that you?
Robert Bruce Baird
Enki is not Red Dragon - who I met personally.

Not even close - Red Dragon is a person who has real experience in the Constructs that are made by those who have Remotely Controlled huge masses of people over the last few millennia. He could actually see some were false - Enki is a total victim of these things.
Robert Bruce Baird
You say:

Why should I share something about myself?

I DO NOT WANT. AND F.O.!


I say:

Those who care are willing to share. Those who do not share or simply pontificate false and ignorant pablum are far too many. P. U. F. O.
Enki
QUOTE (Unknown @ Sep 16, 03:30 AM)
Enki, you sound an aweful lot like someone else who was here who went by the name of "Fat Dragon" or something like that. Is that you?

No, its not me. I am not so well acquainted with posts of this forum.
But I will make a search on his name.
Enki
I read something and think there is nothing in common with the RCT.
Enki
QUOTE (Robert Bruce Baird @ Sep 16, 05:43 AM)
Those who care are willing to share. Those who do not share or simply pontificate false and ignorant pablum are far too many. P. U. F. O.


So when we will vote picture will become clear. Democracy! Freedom! laugh.gif
Enki
The true theory is powerful enough when you can explain it even to a child.
Paraphrasing Albert Einstein.
Enki
When people learn new languages they make progress in the new language by steps.
Each step is accompanied by some form of jump.

You learn new word, and then some certain period of time passes necessary for biochemical changes in the brain and when the new Words Plateau forms you pass on new level of knowledge of that new language. So we learn language by jumps.

Sometimes one can work too long over learning new language, then he/she can abandon that difficult task for a while, but then, after some period of time, he starts to feel that he/she understands quite a lot on this new language. It is such a nice feeling. Feeling of new perception. Our brain is truly interesting substance.
Trip like I do
Yes, quantum leaps of thought across chasms previously deemed inaccessible and thought impossible.

Intuition = In To It.

Thought at the speed of light.

Hyper-spatial multi-dimensional cognition.

Connect the dots.

Welcome to the new Quantum Paradigm.

Universal thought.

Not Eastern/Western.

Twisting the 'light'bulb together.
Trip like I do
Tell me more about the 'words plateau' concept, for it is new to me.
Trip like I do
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 16, 12:40 AM)
QUOTE (trip @ Sep 15, 09:42 PM)
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 15, 08:17 PM)
How could I dare not to bow before the shining power of the second tower, which still [or maybe yet] stands so firm, in contrary to the other duplex?!!!

Now that string (matrix) of words is intiguing.
Some nice parallels.


Some create vocabulary, make it common for all, the others then draft something similar to the Words Matrix. Old Classics. Then when the Words Plateau shapes in the brain the Base Fractal forms. Then the target is get locked. But it is not the very RCT I speak about. Because in RCT, in my opinion, it is not necessary to create vocabulary. To use the old classics one needs to have material resources. As it seems to me RCT does not require material resources. I think it is the fundamental difference in the approaches.

I think that the RCT exemplifies the greatness of Sir Francis Bacon statement that Knowledge are power.

So I want to say that any Individual who has knowledge can have extremely great Power, even not having financial resources. I think here is the Prophets Power of moving mountains. So simple, so evident and so powerful. It is some kind of Art of Wisdom. Old people were believing in the power of spell. It looks like that all can be diminished to simple explanation.

So the times of the Wizards are not over, they are just ready to begin. tongue.gif biggrin.gif

What happened to the image of Tolkien's 'The Two Towers'? It got me thinking aboult Tolkien using the word matrix (archetypal words/knowledge) in creating his works and explains why his writings are such a phenomena.

The buttons he pushes and the insights he taps into, etc.

Is that what you were consciously aluding to or was it an unconscious coincidence?
Trip like I do
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 16, 08:02 AM)
.....When people learn new languages they make progress in the new language by steps.....Each step is accompanied by some form of jump....


Just like the human evolution through the visual cognition of 1, 2, 3, 4,...., 11, dimensions in space and time where geometrical figures have been and still are used as archetypal knowledge (a sort of visual matrix or geometrical matrix)
Trip like I do
I'm now wondering if the word 'trigger' used in the context of 'word triggers' or 'trigger words' is an appropriate coupling of words as used in the specific scenario of 'Word matrix', by believing that the word 'trigger' is commonly assosiated with 'gun' therefore contributing to unconscious (perhaps) thoughts of something powerful, threatening and harmful.
Trip like I do
excerpt from www.gardinerosborn.com

"The Grid Lines of Force, part one"

This 'power' that man – through the shaman – had somehow instinctually discovered early in his evolution, is the power of making an 'emotional matrix' or template, which is created and reinforced by emotional energy – a psychological tool of empowerment.

It was believed that this energy was raised by a trance-induced tribe of people involved in the continuous habit of a certain kind of ritual.

For instance, the hypnagogic-trance-state is induced by a repetitive rhythm . . . which may cause the mind to resonate at a certain frequency whereby an invisible matrix is created and connected to the “matrix” of the earth.

The only way we can explain this 'emotional matrix' is that we are all so-called creatures of habit – in that our lives consist of a series of ‘repeating patterns.’ In a personal way we always repeat the things we think and do either consciously or subconsciously, and the strength of this habit depends on the intensity of emotion that we receive or we apply when we first experience something new.

In other words, it was discovered by shaman, and rather intuitively on his part, that an 'emotional matrix' or template is formed for the experience to be repeated, and it is repeated according to the strength of the emotion that created it: The projection of this emotional energy at a certain location acts like a catalyst into which our visualised thoughts are then captured and recorded. The intensity to which this 'matrix' or 'template' may succeed, depends not only on the amount of people who project this energy, but also on the right location. At least, that was their belief.


Rick
QUOTE (Enki @ Sep 16, 09:02 AM)
... Each step is accompanied by some form of jump.

... Sometimes one can work too long over learning new language, then he/she can abandon that difficult task for a while, but then, after some period of time, he starts to feel that he/she understands quite a lot on this new language. It is such a nice feeling. Feeling of new perception. Our brain is truly interesting substance.

Yes, that's true of all kinds of learning. Sometimes one can leave a subject for a time and then come back to it with new insights.
Trip like I do
QUOTE (Rick @ Sep 15, 12:29 PM)
I must be mostly post-modernist then, because I think some things are impossible.

Post-modernism

· During the second half of the twentieth century, we have moved from a modern view of the world to a post-modern view which no one has a monopoly on the truth. Knowledge is a matter of perspective.
· Post-modernism raises a special challenge as we move to develop more globally relevant, multiculturally sensitive explanations appropriate for the twenty-first century.
· Post-modernism arose in the 1950’s and 60’s as a movement away from the shiny machine like austerity of the ‘international style’. According to its most prominate advocate, Jean-Francois Lyotard, the essence of post-modernism is a carefree scepticism about every possible attempt to make sense of history.
· There is a post-modernist desire to escape the superstitions of a preceding epoch.
· To be modern is to know that which is not possible anymore.
· Today is only a been thought of already.
· Change is a process not an event.
· The cracks in the bastions of high culture.
· No boundaries, no barriers.
Rick
Like having a monopoly on truth. Who can do that?
Robert the Bruce
9/11: What You Ought to Know
Greg Palast, September 15, 2004


On November 9, 2001, when you could still choke on the dust in the air near Ground Zero, BBC Television received a call in London from a top-level U.S. intelligence agent. He was not happy. Shortly after George W. Bush took office, he told us reluctantly, the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and the FBI, "were told to back off the Saudis."

We knew that. In the newsroom, we had a document already in hand, marked, "SECRET" across the top and "199-I" - meaning this was a national security matter.

The secret memo released agents to hunt down two members of the bin Laden family operating a "suspected terrorist organization" in the USA. It was dated September 13, 2001 -- two days too late for too many. What the memo indicates, corroborated by other sources, was that the agents had long wanted to question these characters ... but could not until after the attack. By that time, these bin Laden birds had flown their American nest.

Back to the high-level agent. I pressed him to tell me exactly which investigations were spiked. None of this interview dance was easy, requiring switching to untraceable phones. Ultimately, the insider said, "Khan Labs." At the time, our intelligence agencies were on the trail of Pakistan's Dr. Strangelove, A.Q. Khan, who built Pakistan's bomb and was selling its secrets to the Libyans. But once Bush and Condoleeza Rice's team took over, the source told us, agents were forced to let a hot trail go cold. Specifically, there were limits on tracing the Saudi money behind this "Islamic bomb."

Then we made another call, this time to an arms dealer in the Mideast. He confirmed that his partner attended a meeting in 1995 at the 5-star Hotel Royale Monceau in Paris where, allegedly, Saudi billionaires agreed to fund Al Qaeda fanatics. We understood it to be protection money, not really a sign of support for their attacks. Nevertheless, rule number one of investigation is "follow the money" -- but the sheiks' piggy banks were effectively off-limits to the US agents during the Bush years. One of the men in the posh hotel's meeting of vipers happens to have been a Bush family business associate.

Before you jump to the wrong conclusion, let me tell you that we found no evidence -- none, zero, no kidding -- that George Bush knew about Al Qaeda's plan to attack on September 11. Indeed, the grim joke at BBC is that anyone accusing George Bush of knowing anything at all must have solid evidence. This is not a story of what George Bush knew but rather of his very-unfunny ignorance. And it was not stupidity, but policy: no asking Saudis uncomfortable questions about their paying off roving packs of killers, especially when those Saudis are so generous to Bush family businesses.

Yes, Bill Clinton was also a bit too tender toward the oil men of Arabia. But this you should know: In his last year in office, Clinton sent two delegations to the Gulf to suggest that the Royal family crack down on "charitable donations" from their kingdom to the guys who blew up our embassies.

But when a failed Texas oil man took over the White House in January 2001, demands on the Saudis to cut off terror funding simply stopped.

And what about the bin Laden "suspected terrorist organization"? Called the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, the group sponsors soccer teams and summer camps in Florida. BBC obtained a video of one camp activity, a speech exhorting kids on the heroism of suicide bombings and hostage takings. While WAMY draws membership with wholesome activities, it has also acted as a cover or front, say the Dutch, Indian and Bosnian governments, for the recruitment of jihadi killers.

Certainly, it was worth asking the bin Laden boys a few questions. But the FBI agents couldn't, until it was too late.

In November 2001, when BBC ran the report on the spike of investigations of Saudi funding of terror, the Bush defenders whom we'd invited to respond on air dismissed the concerns of lower level FBI agents who'd passed over the WAMY documents. No action was taken on the group headed by the bin Ladens.

Then, in May this year, fifty FBI agents surrounded, invaded and sealed off WAMY's Virginia office. It was like a bad scene out of the 'Untouchables.' The raid took place three years after our report and long after the bin Ladens had waved bye-bye. It is not surprising that the feds seized mostly empty files and a lot of soccer balls.

Why now this belated move on the bin Laden's former operation? Why not right after the September 11 attack? This year's FBI raid occurred just days after an Islamist terror assault in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Apparently, messin' with the oil sheiks gets this Administration's attention. Falling towers in New York are only for Republican convention photo ops.

The 199-I memo was passed to BBC television by the gumshoes at the National Security News Service in Washington. We authenticated it, added in our own sleuthing, then gave the FBI its say, expecting the usual, "It's baloney, a fake." But we didn't get the usual response. Rather, FBI headquarters said, "There are lots of things the intelligence community knows and other people ought not to know."

Ought not to know?

What else ought we not to know, Mr. President? And when are we supposed to forget it?

**************

Greg Palast's reports for BBC Television Newsnight and The Guardian paper of Britain (with David Pallister) on White House interference in the investigation of terrorism won a 2002 California State University Journalism School 'Project Censored' Award.

The BBC television reports, expanded and updated, will be released this month in the USA as a DVD, "Bush Family Fortunes," produced by BBC's Meirion Jones. View a 2-minute preview here.

The film will be premiered in 21 cities beginning on September 11, sponsored by Democracy for America. Sign up for Greg Palast's investigative reports here.
Enki
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 16, 12:47 PM)
Tell me more about the 'words plateau' concept, for it is new to me.

I am sorry for responding with delay,

Words Plateau is simple and it is not new I just use that definition for better exemplifications. Imagine that you are learning new language. Let us suppose that you learn e.g. 15-20 words per day via card method [thus you process in average 40-60 words per day]. And let us suppose that you do not learn too “distant” words [I mean in matters of associations]. E.g let us suppose that you take a simple text on the New Language, read it and put on cards the words which meaning you do not know and each words set you place in separate envelop marked by name of the text they are from. I just want to say that e.g. word “blue” should appear in the same set with word “sky”.
Let us suppose that you mastered to learn 80 % of the 600 words during 30 days. Now you give a rest to your brain. During the rest period the net starts to grow [some sort of signal percolation takes place between potentially associative clusters (if under cluster to understand a subnet of certain associations)], thus the new learned “worlds,” so to say, slowly establish associations with each other. Words Plateau forms. When Words Plateau forms you jump on new level of knowledge of that new language.

Maybe I am using different terminology that it is necessary to use, but I think I trasnfered the meaning quite clearly.
Enki
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 16, 12:54 PM)
What happened to the image of Tolkien's 'The Two Towers'? It got me thinking aboult Tolkien using the word matrix (archetypal words/knowledge) in creating his works and explains why his writings are such a phenomena.

The buttons he pushes and the insights he taps into, etc.


I just erased it, because after reading some posts of one person, I understood that better not to speculate about this thematic.
Tolkien is using very interesting vocabulary. When you read him the contrasts insights you. Sharp shifts from one place to another. Like the Alice in Wonderland. I think that the entire book is associated with WWII.

It seems to me, though I can be wrong, that Gendelf is associated with Sir Winston Churchill, that Saruman is associate with Vatican and the Pope, that Sauron is embodiment of eternal evil and that Mordor is associated with Germany, the Hobbiton is the merry England etc. I think that each personage has his real analog. I am still thinking about the associations and I am sure that I will change for several times my opinion about that subject. Image is still very foggy.

QUOTE
Is that what you were consciously aluding to or was it an unconscious coincidence?


In former times I had very wonderful counterterrorism theory. It was extremely complex. In its final form it was looking like fantastic science fiction. I have abandoned it because unfortunately I was communicating with people who had not enough imagination to imagine unimaginable.
It was not unconscious coincidence.
Robert the Bruce
Tolkien took the old legends and made them a little too Christian - he is credited with showing C. S. Lewis the benefits of being Christian (if you want success as a writer).

Needless to say the books had nothing to do with Churchill - what nonsense - Gandalf is the name of an Arthurian character.

Here is a little to show the books were written before WWII.

In typical Tolkien fashion, he then decided he needed to find out what a Hobbit was, what sort of a hole it lived in, why it lived in a hole, etc. From this investigation grew a tale that he told to his younger children, and even passed round. In 1936 an incomplete typescript of it came into the hands of Susan Dagnall, an employee of the publishing firm of George Allen and Unwin (merged in 1990 with HarperCollins).

Enki
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 16, 11:12 PM)
...visualised thoughts are then captured and recorded...

I think that the following very short, but extremely informative saying of Sir Winston Churchill tells a lot:

“We construct buildings then the buildings construct us.”

I think that those who like to put brick on brick and construct magnificent temples have to know much about the art of visualizing thoughts. rolleyes.gif
Enki
Some parts of the trilogy were writen during WWII.
Dan
the story has a basic structure that probably fits much more than the WWII scenario. Perhaps the intent wasn't to mirror a specific scenario, but to offer an archetypal 'showdown' that can fit most scenarios
Enki
"... for the composition of the Lord of the Rings went on at intervals during the years 1936 to 1949 ... The delay was, of caurse, aslo increased by the outbreak of war in 1939, ny the end of which year the tale had not yet reached the end of Book I. In spite of the darkness of the next five years, I found that the story could not now be wholly abondoned, and I plodded on, most by night, till I stood by Balin's tomb in Moria. There I halted for a long while, It was almost a year later when I went on and so came to Lothlyrien and the Great River late in 1941. In the next year I wrote the first drafts of the matter that now stands as Book III, and beginnings of Chapter 1 and 3 of Book V.......It was during 1944 that, leavin the loose ends and perplexies of a war which it was my task to conduct, or at least to report, I forced myself to tacle the journey of Frodo to Mordor ."
J.R.R. Tolkien

I think it is quite clear when how and maybe why!!!
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