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Robert the Bruce
This is the intro to my book on Alchemy.

Recent archaeological equipment including thermoluminescence techniques has allowed us to date biologic material back a great deal further than a couple of decades ago. One of the things found in a Neanderthal site were refined drugs. The date of this refined drug was about 90,000 years old. The last decade has seen so many discoveries which push back the advancement of civilization and who can tell if the 80,000 year old advanced tools found in Africa that were 64,000 years older than those thought to signify European ascendancy in such matters are really the first such tools. Then there are the artifacts that suggest ancient navigation from 825,000 years ago on Flores Island over fifty miles away from land in the Australian continental area. Who are the first such seafarers? The cinnabar found on the bones of the Mungo Man who was modern long before Homo Sapiens sapiens is the source of mercury and part of the formula for making the alchemical Great Work called the Philosopher’s Stone.


A neuroscience forum which I was invited to has had many people respond to various postings without identifying themselves. I think some of that is because they have a reputation to protect or job they value. Here is one such response to a thread I started.


“Science is reductionist whereas mysticism is broadly integrative. It would seem that science and mysticism occupy anti-podal positions. They are both concerned with truth, yet go about it differently. Science seeks to objectively and mathematically describe truth, whereas mysticism seeks to experience truth. Science and mysticism are flip sides of the same coin. The greatest scientists have invariantly been deeply mystical. I'm tempted to say that the greatest mystics have invariantly been deeply scientific, or at least had an appreciation for science, but this I'm less certain of.”


I responded by saying I agreed and that I was certain the sages or greatest scientists were indeed very spiritual. One of those sages is David Bohm and here is a little of how he approached physics.


“In an interview in 1989 at the Nils Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, where Bohm presented his views, Bohm spoke on his theory of wholeness and the implicate order. The conversation centered around a new worldview that is developing in part of the Western world, one that places more focus on wholeness and process than analysis of separate parts. Bohm explained the basics of the theory of relativity and its more revolutionary offspring, quantum theory. Either theory, if carried out to its extreme, violates every concept on which we base our understanding of reality. Both challenge our notions of our world and ourselves.


He cited evidence from both theories that support a new paradigm of a more interrelated, fluid, and less absolute basis of existence, one in which mind is an active participant. ‘Information contributes fundamentally to the qualities of substance.’ He discussed forms, fields, superconductivity, wave function and electron behavior. ‘Wave function, which operates through form, is closer to life and mind...The electron has a mindlike quality.’ (1)


The Quantum Many Worlds Interpretation is today’s way of describing the work of what ancient alchemists, peryllats and Chaos Scientists were studying. Here is a fellow researcher’s compendium of some sites and excerpts therefrom.


“Scientific American reposted a November-2003 article by Michio Kaku entitled "Borrowed Time". It postulated how General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics allows -- in theory -- for alternate timelines within a Multiverse and "time machines". I archived it at http://www.stealthskater.com/Science.htm#Ekpyrotic (the 4th item). Prof. Max Tegmark wrote an article about 4 possible models for parallel universes (including Everett/Wheeler 'Many Worlds') for Scientific American, and it precedes Dr. Kaku's essay in the list (the 3rd item).


Ed Halerewicz, Jr. is adept at translating technical physics for the layperson (such as myself). In an e-mail, Ed said there's actually more than 4 parallel universe models but added the jury is still out as to their actual existences. He thought Paul Davies is a better author for time-travel in general and that Gott had the best technical physics for this subject.


Ed and Dr. Paul Hoiland wrote an e-book that explains the 'Science' in "Warp Drive" based on battle-tested GR and QM. If you have read about topics such "Clifford Algebra" and "Bell's Theorem" before but have no idea as to what the math looks like, they are covered in this manuscript. The "gist" of it, says Ed, is that there is no "blue smoke & mirrors" (i.e., sci-fi magic) in Warp Drive. Einstein's GR allows for it. It is more of an engineering challenge to produce the effects that theory allows. The original DRAFT version is in ZIP-ed .pdf format. I corrected some grammar errors in a ZIP-ed MS-Word .doc . Both downloads are accessible at http://www.stealthskater.com/Science.htm#Halerewicz .


Some physicists have "extrapolated" from the basic principles of Warp Drive to create their own particular models. And a few engineers have produced designs for "ufo"-type craft based upon their interpretations of warp drive science. Ed critiques some of these at the aforementioned URL. Paul and Ed are among founding members of the "Journal of Advanced Propulsion Methods" => http://www.joatp.org/ .
Ed Halerewicz, Jr.'s homepage => http://da_theoretical1.tripod.com/index.htm
Prof. Max Tegmark's homepage => http://www.hep.upenn.edu/~max/
Dr. Michio Kaku's homepage => http://www.mkaku.org”


Then there are snipettes of information which sources like the BBC are reporting to prepare us for something I think is already with some of the people on this earth. Here is a little of one such report. ‘Dr Van Den Broeck concludes his analysis by saying, ‘The first warp drive is still a long way off but maybe it has now become slightly less improbable.’” (2)


Then there was another posting from someone not wishing to be identified on the neuroscience forum. I had given a list of mystics which largely focused on alchemists without saying they were alchemists and that list included Hitler who really does not rise to that level despite his claim to being the ‘torch-bearer for Jesus’ and his gifts in Trance Channeling. This person used the Aryan word and knew that there was a high likelihood that charges of anti-Semitism would result while they noted I had included Hitler alongside great scientists like Thomas Jefferson, Jung, Da Vinci and Newton.
‘Dear Unknown
Yes.


The fiction of Hitler is still a major mainstay in the media which demonizes him and the German people who tied to create a place for their Jews. The rest of the world was far more anti-Semitic. Why did Arizona not become their home? It was one of the places proposed by the likes of Adolph Eichmann before the war. These Jews hate and create Holocausts for other Jews. They once were thrown out of Israel as noted in the Bible. In fact few Jews know what a Jew is and few people really care to study the hatreds they ignorantly espouse. The all too apparent use of religion to hide other motives is a great part of our history of manipulation by leaders who often were engaging sorcerers or trying to become alchemists themselves. A friend of mine puts these thoughts before you as he reflects on his ancestry which is like my own.


“My own maternal ancestors spent the better part of a cold and dreary thousand years playing a little game called: 'Storm the Castle,' in which they dressed up in unwieldy metal suits and pounded each other senseless with a variety of sharp and not so sharp objects. (Of course with nutrition not being quite up to par with today's standards and with daily rations of wine being something in the neighborhood of five liters, we are left with the sobering fact that most of us who trace our ancestry to Europe are in fact descended from short, drunken psychopaths who whiled away their time bludgeoning each other with hammers, maces and cudgels, hacking each other to pieces with swords, and scalding each other to death with boiling oil.)”


Hitler was a Jew and a Rothschild bastard as were many other vilified leaders including Charles Martel and maybe even Napoleon who almost certainly was a bastard. Hitler lived and dressed as a Jew with Jewish friends as he studied the mystical arts of the Rothschilds in Vienna for over five years as had his father before him. They studied in a place where the De Medicis/Rothschild’s top esotericist by the name of St. Germain set up many outreach and educational schools or groups - Vienna.


And there will be many ‘experts’ who say that light speed is still not transcendable or that time is linear and it is not possible to do many things that I posit in these pages, I know. I offer up this site to these people and say that the whole truth of what Black Ops and other agents of real knowledge pursue is not under the control of NASA or The Smithsonian and other public or relatively transparent structure of academia and government. Here is a site worth looking into that discusses some of the things that many have known for a long time. It does not include the Catholic scholar/physicist who reportedly has developed a chronovisor in conjunction with Werner von Braun and Fermi’s inputs that would be similar to one thing the Philosopher’s Stone could achieve (http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/TM-107289.htm).
Robert the Bruce
table of contents:

chapter one: what is alchemy and who were (are) they?

alchemy’s origins:
"hermes trismegistus
"the sources of alchemy among the arabs
gnostics:
tundra 'tulkus':
a plea for the appreciation of shamans:

chapter two: sundry sages:

gurdjieff:
leonardo da vinci:
abaris the druid:
giordano bruno:
sir isaac newton:
carl jung:
crazy horse:

chapter three: hitler, napoleon and vienna:

“wilhelm reich and the phoenix project
jung, freud, von neumann, and hitler back to st. germain:
pagan progeny:
findhorn and fairies:
tesla, rhodes and napoleon:
neumann was more than a dreamer:
the martinist order:

chapter four: the dragons and my stele:

sir laurence gardner:
my stele:

chapter five: the philosopher’s stone:

mind over matter – proven:
reichean orgone energy:
the coral castle:
chemical bonding and formation of elements:
black budget:
the ‘great work’:
cold fusion:

chapter six: cosmogony of the spheres and elementals:

the afterlife:
neanderthal to the noosphere:
hermetic planes of existence:
{elementals}:
the singularity:

chapter seven: humanists and governing through power:

semiotics:
the three magian laws:
the futhark:
mandalas and more:
tao te ching:

chapter eight: megaliths and the graven image:

the secret language of stone:
the graven image
material and de-materialization:
negative gravity and negative journalism:
intelitapping:

chapter nine: what is neolithic?:

technology aids our re-discoveries:
adept cells and traders:
the enduring impact of the bible narrative:
more ancient roots:
potlatch and peryllats, and a plethora of possibilities:
freedom from…. or… freedom to?
aliens teaching humans?
craning our necks to see the neolithic racial mixing of crania:

chapter ten: the ‘travelers’:

phoenicians:
tippecanoe and timbuktu:

chapter eleven: from the intense to the incredible!
Trip like I do
Sounds like an interesting read and addition to my book collection. I'll try to get one when I get settled in T.O.
Robert the Bruce
It is on the CD.

Here is some more from a book addressing the Manna Machine and Time that someone hear asked me to delve into deeper - Dan I think.

Barbi was aware of my passion to change the world and help others as I was helping her; but she wondered what money was in it for me. The response to Antiphon by Socrates to the same query seemed to fit admirably.
"It is common opinion among us in regard to beauty and wisdom that there is an honourable and a shameful way of bestowing them. For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution... So it is with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money are known as sophists, prostitutes of wisdom.”
This meant a lot to her and the issue she was facing with her mother who is almost my age (a little older). It seemed however, that my desire to help people for the simple sake of karmic return was more 'off base' than she could handle; even after she met Bernard the inner sanctum Rosicrucian, and saw the nature of the disease of ego a little better.
Trip like I do
You'e not a prostitute are you RTB? We all have to make money somehow. I guess we are all prostitutes, of sorts.
Trip like I do
What is the title to the above book?

Do you barter for your books, say for paintings?

Robert the Bruce
The title is Alchemy, Sages, Humanists and Peryllats.

I stopped being part of the materialistic world about seven years ago. My younger brother followed my lead and left the same job in our family business after 9-11 (He was earning $300,000 US a year) and I have been a millionaire more than once.

I have absolutely no use for paintings (LOL). I freely help in a Group Home for the mentally challenged and crooks too. I live in it.

I have invested in these books in order to help society - and if I sold a million of them I might be able to start living easy again and I would have got my investment back. However, I likely would just use any money to help more people - not into having anything for myself really.

But thanks for the thought, I am sure any painting is more expensive than my CD collection of 21 books.
Trip like I do
What is it specifically that you, as a writer, are trying to do for society?

I know I've gone on about my intentions, what are yours?

And, I've not been a millionaire once, although it would be nice to try it.

But then again, money ain't all its cracked up to be.

Just enough to live life as a life should be lived.

Knowledge vs. Material.
Robert the Bruce
In almost any area of society I write about how it could be if we decided to change - and in some areas I am actively making personal inputs.
Trip like I do
What is history going to Say about RTB in 300 years?

How are historians going to classify RTB?

Where do historians place RTB in their history of social development, cognitive thought, ®-evolutionary progress, etc.?
Robert the Bruce
I have a beard and if there are Earth people 300 years from now - I will probably be considered as an Alchemist (Humanist).
lgking
Robert, you referred to David Bohm. Many years ago, I heard David Bohm give a lecture at the university of Toronto. I do not remember much of what he said. However, I do remember being impressed by his mysticsm and the overall impact of what he said.
Trip like I do
If?

You don't think anybody will be around in 300 years thinking what did they think back in 2004 and how did that culture and its intellectual community perceive reality.
Trip like I do
A humanist who did what? Was notarized for what?
Robert the Bruce
Have you listened to the tape of Bohm and Krishna? Good stuff!!!
Robert the Bruce
Dear Trip

You are asking me to predict my own fame and yet - it matters little.

I will probably be a footnote in some serious researcher's work who actually tries to understand why human culture took an abrupt turn towards common sense.
Eternum 1
A worthy footnote, RTB. Whatever the catalyst for such a paradigm shift in cosmic undestanding you cannot help your place in the vangaurd of change anymore then you can stop breathing.
Trip like I do
Confucius

1:16 Don’t worry if people don’t recognize your merits, worry that you may not recognize theirs.
Robert the Bruce
Dear Eternum1

Glad to see you here!

For those who do not know - this man (!) is an accomplished author and avant-gard journalist of the Hippie era. No mere 'lumpenproletariat' member is he.

Thanks for the vote of confidence - I know my obsession with Purpose and Nichomachean Ethical karma is crazy - but most days I know - I cannot go back to mere luxury.
Dan
great. all we need is more baby boomer nuts spamming this place with mythological 'facts' and conspiracy theories
Unknown
And what generation do you spam from?

Spam+ketchup+pepper+salt = Yummy, in moderation.
Dan
X
Robert the Bruce
???????????

Ridicule and ploclamations are now the chosen form of argument for those whose ego will not allow them to consider that they are unable to form an argument or deal in facts.
Dan
it's also an economical way to avoid pointless nitpicking with those who are relentlessly delusional
Rick
For civilized discourse and high minded philosophy, come to Mind-Brain.com.
Trip like I do
QUOTE (Dan @ Sep 10, 10:38 AM)
X

I'm also from that generation, born in 1972. Although we have been 'weened' to perceive reality from a different angle, one still has to respect, observe and contemplate thoughts of preceding generations, for they have also been weened to perceive the world from an idiosyncratic angle.

Gestalt for all.

Become more circular, a well rounded sense of consciousness.
Robert the Bruce
I bow to your expertise in this matter.

it's also an economical way to avoid pointless nitpicking with those who are relentlessly delusional
Dan
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 10, 01:52 PM)
QUOTE (Dan @ Sep 10, 10:38 AM)
X

I'm also from that generation, born in 1972. Although we have been 'weened' to perceive reality from a different angle, one still has to respect, observe and contemplate thoughts of preceding generations, for they have also been weened to perceive the world from an idiosyncratic angle.

Gestalt for all.

Become more circular, a well rounded sense of consciousness.

I appreciate the sentiment, I'm just not interested
Trip like I do
QUOTE (Dan @ Sep 10, 10:58 AM)
it's also an economical way to avoid pointless nitpicking with those who are relentlessly delusional

Do I dare delve into that statement and reveal it for what it is?
What could this statement possibly be saying about Dan?

Who is doing the nitpicking.
Who is relentlessly delusional.

Projections and attributions.

An economical way to remain safe behind the veil of security that is self-perception.
Dan
QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Sep 10, 02:19 PM)
I bow to your expertise in this matter.

it's also an economical way to avoid pointless nitpicking with those who are relentlessly delusional

ummm,... ok
Trip like I do
We are all a bit delusional. It's just a matter of to what extremes on either end of the psychological spectrum of 'normalacy'.
Dan
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 10, 02:55 PM)
QUOTE (Dan @ Sep 10, 10:58 AM)
it's also an economical way to avoid pointless nitpicking with those who are relentlessly delusional

Do I dare delve into that statement and reveal it for what it is?
What could this statement possibly be saying about Dan?

Who is doing the nitpicking.
Who is relentlessly delusional.

Projections and attributions.

An economical way to remain safe behind the veil of security that is self-perception.

or not
Trip like I do
As philosophers of life we all make assumptions about the good life and how it should be lived.
Dan
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 10, 02:56 PM)
We are all a bit delusional.  It's just a matter of to what extremes on either end of the psychological spectrum of 'normalacy'.

yes, perhaps there's a little delusion in all of us ...but... some of us are apparently a LOT delusional and tend to spam the rest of us with their personally needed delusion-reinforcing mind-numbing drivel
Dan
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 10, 02:58 PM)
As philosophers of life we all make assumptions about the good life and how it should be lived.

I don't think one needs to be a philosopher to do that
Trip like I do
Dan, what is it you do. To get a better perspective of where you are coming from, relativistically speaking. I'm not after an arguement here, just open dialogue between Gen X'rs.
Trip like I do
QUOTE (Dan @ Sep 10, 02:00 PM)
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 10, 02:56 PM)
We are all a bit delusional.  It's just a matter of to what extremes on either end of the psychological spectrum of 'normalacy'.

yes, perhaps there's a little delusion in all of us ...but... some of us are apparently a LOT delusional and tend to spam the rest of us with their personally needed delusion-reinforcing mind-numbing drivel

Conceded, there is that element out there, however you just take it and accept it for what it is.
Dan
I used to smoke lots of ganga (and, occasionally, drop a touch of 'cid) in my undergraduate college days, 'introspecting' and otherwise exploring in order to pursue that need called 'spirituality'. I got a B.S. in astrophysics and an M.S. in physics while I was high and nutty; no small task for me, mind you. My education has taken a bit longer than normal because of this, as I was primarily drawn to the interesting questions and ideas rather than the required curriculum. At some point, I came to 'know', and now do not feel the need to contemplate but rather to 'do'. After spending some time decompressing, I have gotten back into school in order to resharpen my wit and start a career as a research scientist. I'm working on a Ph.D. in atmospheric science which should take about 2.5 more years of my time.
Trip like I do
kuddos to you.

We sound alot alike in ways, via historical experiences.

I think my C.V. is posted in the topic of 'Defining Intelligence'.
Robert the Bruce
Neverdid 'cid myself and as far as ganga does - used to be able to have just as high a TRIP with nothing but once I decided to get high on it - I can get high on just contact smoke. My friends used to be amazed when they gave me their best stuff and I was no different.
Dan
did you only get high once? I recall some weed lore that said the first high is a 'primer' , and that one needs to get high a few times to really appreciate it. I don't know if this is true because I was quite drunk when I first got high (alcohol = gateway drug) and may not have been able to distinguish what was making me feel what. I seem to remember that I didn't think it was that amazing, but the next time I smoked I was jacked up and swiftly transported to a land far, far away..........
Trip like I do
My first 'high' was hashish (eastern Canada), and that fact is not fiction.
Trip like I do
Hey RTB,

What drugs do you know of that earlier cultures you so vehimetly perpetuate, used as initial gateways to the intellect?
Dan
QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Sep 10, 03:45 PM)
My first 'high' was hashish (eastern Canada), and that fact is not fiction.

just to be clear, I am asking RTB if he has gotten high only once.

and,
I am guessing you got pretty jacked up your first time since you were smoking hash

some friends and I used to dissolve the alcohol-soluable compounds from our weed in order to make hash oil, and we vaporized it for the high rather than burning it. This initially seemed to work pretty well, but a tolerance tended to develop quickly
Robert the Bruce
All kinds of drugs we use today - probably. The Neanderthal had refined drugs 90,000 years ago - the best drug is sex, and any other meditation which causes a tap-in that also has drugs made by the human body. Rudgely is the one to read for that stuff.
Robert the Bruce
I was friends with all the pushers and I have known the best manufacturers or curers of weed who used the best ingredients. I have been high many times but usually only once a year for the last twenty five years. As I said - it was no different than when I do not use drugs and do the other things that cause me to 'trip the light fantastic'.

People who were getting high used to invite me to talk to them - called me 'Rent a Mouth' - because I can make a high more enjoyable and insightful just with my voice - which I can do when people are not doing drugs too.
Dan
I ordered some white widow seeds from some amsterdam mail-order service and grew it in my closet in my own specially designed compact grow enclosure. the yields were great for the closet volume required and all my friends knew where the good weed was.

I wonder what kind of mind cannot distinguish between that kind of high and other 'natural' highs as they are rather significantly distinct for me. maybe your brain just does not respond much to wacky tobaccy?
Trip like I do
There is nothing out there like B.C. bud.

It was being traded straight up, pound for pound, for Coke over the border.

I used to help buddies crop back in the day.

Huge plants, couldn't wrap you arms around them, and were over 6-7 ft in height. Pretty Impressive Stuff!
Robert the Bruce
Interesting.

You say you know what I am talking about and you suggest I do not know what drug effects are when I tell you I have known the very best.

What does that tell you? Try actually learning something about your soul and you will know why Sai Baba (one of) met a man at SF airport who said he always found the wise Eastern leader to be just about the same trip he did - then Sai Baba took his whole bag of LSD and STP and everything else - downed it in one gulp and smiled.

I have communed with Sutra designers and tripped light naturally that most major druggies never even get close to. Remember our friend Red Dragon who carried on here about drugs - I and other real 'travelers' at another site - blew him upside and inside out.
Dan
I am suggesting that I know what effects both drugs and 'deep spirituality' have and that an astute observer can easily tell the difference. I also know that certain drug-states are considered comparable to certain 'mentally ill'-states, where the 'mentally ill' person exhibits behavior that is similar to drug users
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