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AmbientSnowflake
QUOTE (Non-White Person @ Aug 13, 04:59 PM)
QUOTE (Unknown @ Aug 13, 01:53 PM)
race is a non-issue.

So why are you here?
Are You a White Person?

<cough>
Non-White Person
QUOTE (Rick @ Aug 13, 02:07 PM)
QUOTE (Non-White Person @ Aug 13, 01:58 PM)
The only suggestions I have concerning the countering of White Supremacy(Racism) is for people who have classified themselves as white people and people who have been classified as non-white people.

That seems reasonable to me. So what suggestions do you have for those two groups? I'm curious. You may message me if you don't want to publish it here and I will keep it in confidence.

Here are 26 suggestions that white people can do in order to Replace White Supremacy(Racism) With Justice

(1) Do not lie to non-white people.
(2) Do not withhold constructive information from non-white people.
(3) Do not involve yourself in conversations, other than to listen, with other white people that are saying things that will result in the mistreatment of non-white people.
(4) Reveal all information to non-white people of anything said that will result in the mistreatment of non-white people to every non-white person the white person comes in contact with.
(5) Do not involve yourself in any activities, other than to listen and to understand what is being done, when white people interact with other white people that are saying things that will result in the mistreatment of non-white people.
(6) Reveal all information to non-white people of anything white people are planning to do that will result in the mistreatment of non-white people to every non-white person the white person comes in contact with.
(7) Do not cause any unjust harm to any non-white person. Only in acts of self-defense is this permitted.
(8) Under the conditions of White Supremacy/Racism do not have sex with non-white people.
(9) Refuse to act as teachers and educators to non-white people in educational institutions(major racist/white supremacist programming going on in these settings)( it will force non-white people to develop a way of training and educating themselves).
(10) Stop the recruitment of non-white people into the "armed forces" so that they can kill other non-white people.
(11) Stop introducing "illegal drugs" and guns into places were non-white people exist so that they can destroy themselves.
(12) Stop opening liquor stores and check cashing places into areas where non-white people exist.
(13) Stop promoting the image of White people to represent the image of GOD/GODDESS or CREATOR/CREATESS and imposing this image on to non-white people.
(14) Stop dumping toxic chemicals into places where non-white people exist.
(15) Stop requiring non-white people to pay taxes.
(16) Stop promoting the image of non-white people as being only criminals,
welfare recipients, athletes, entertainers, and oversexed.
(17) Stop treating non-white people as objects and play things.
(18) Stop placing non-white people in Greater Confinement (jail) for minor offenses.
(19) Alert Black people to the existence of forums such as www.counter-racism.com and www.thecode.net.
(20) Stop stealing from non-white people.
(21) Stop telling white people about things non-white people are doing to counter racism (white supremacy).
(22) Stop gossipping about non-white people.
(23) Stop allowing white people to adopt non-white children.
(24) Stop invading lands where non-white people exist.
(25) Stop pitting one group of non-white people against another group of non-white people.
(26) Stop allowing non-white people to be over-represented in the lowest paid, most dangerous jobs or occupations.
AmbientSnowflake
In a sense, "unknown," we are products of our environment. Still, genetics determines so much.

"Environment," and "DNA," are variables in this equation. There is no way to determine which takes more presidence in racial relations. That's a motivational issue depending on unknown factors.

In order for a racist to hold such beliefs the oposition must be dehumanized, turned into a 'demon' like character, subhuman, animal like.

Dehumanizing is the key to racism. Wars can't be fought without it. George W. Bush said that Sadam Husain had no soul, meaning, he was not human.

Nazis and Jews, Slavery in the South, early American settlers and American Indians, are all examples of dehumanizing.

It's my inclination that passivism is key. Passivism does not retaliate for ill gotten actions. It say, "I will not hate you." That's what MLK was all about. Jesus, too. Ghandi, and on and on.
Rick
Thank you for your 26 suggestions. Regarding number nine, I used to teach computer science at a major univeristy. I estimate that the majority of my students were non-white. I think that if I had refused to teach them I would have been accused of racism and then fired.
Non-White Person
QUOTE (Rick @ Aug 13, 02:31 PM)
Thank you for your 26 suggestions. Regarding number nine, I used to teach computer science at a major univeristy. I estimate that the majority of my students were non-white. I think that if I had refused to teach them I would have been accused of racism and then fired.

These are only suggestions.
But you are welcome.
Unknown
QUOTE (Non-White Person @ Aug 13, 02:22 PM)
(15) Stop requiring non-white people to pay taxes.

Two-thirds of the suggestions on your list are utter nonsense, with number 15 above evincing an interesting culmination of naivety and arrogance. I'm not going to waste my time picking at all of your points since I think most people can see the problems in your suggestions for themselves. You are trying to divide humanity into white and non-white, but your division is utterly antiquated and doomed to failure; globalization and continued mixing between the races guarantees this. There is no "white"/"non-white" dichotomy. You're trying to see everything in black and white and do not seem to accept the fact of life that there are shades of gray everywhere.

There is no "white"/"non-white" dichotomy; It's all in your head. And your suggestions above, which presume this white/nonwhite dichotomy, are meaningless and have no place in the real world. Wake up already.
AmbientSnowflake
QUOTE (Non-White Person @ Aug 13, 05:22 PM)
(3) Do not involve yourself in conversations, other than to listen, with other white people that are saying things that will result in the mistreatment of non-white people.

I really disagree here. In order that we find a middle ground, that is, if neither of the two parties will agree on what the other wants, we must enter into dialogue. We have to talk it out.

We must talk to get any where, even if it means that we walk away hating the other more furvently. It's essential.

If you don't talk about the root of the matter, the reasons you want change, then where do we start?

I wouldn't know where else to start.

Your 26 statements do not give leeway to equality. And that's where we start.

You made your assertion in these 26 statements, and I will reply.
I don't know if these bring equality.
Ben
Let me start off by saying that I do agree with some of the 26 suggestions. But Non-White person seems to be a racist himself. He dosn't seem to be too worried about eleminating all hate or racism. Just "white supremacy". White supremacy is rampant among whites. From looking at the sites he provided I can also see that non-white (they're not black but we're white) supremacy is rampant as well. These sites widen the rift between the "races" instead of concentrating on understand and eleminating all forms of racism. They don't seem to be a benifit to anyone. Creating suspicion and paranoia are of no help to anyone. In a few years I will become a teacher. I refuse to even consider throwing any child out of my classroom based on the color of their skin. Rather I'll try to instill values of respect and individuality (among others) in them. This is what I (a white person) will do to try to eleminate not only white supremacy but all forms of racism. Or is this not acceptable to you and those who create and post the web sites you advertise. I'm sorry non-white person if you think I am not good enough to teach your children simply because I am "white" (see I saved you the trouble of asking me). I am working for the summer in a dry cleaning plant. I need the money for college and it is enough with my loans but I see people, both white and non-white, who make less than minimum wage (not because of a stingy owner but because the business would fail if wages were raised). I see their empty eyes as they come into work and do their jobs so they can take their minimal paychecks home to try and feed their families and pay the bills. I hear so many of them telling me how much they wish they would have chosen to go to college and how much they hate their jobs. Is this what you would prefer for children? Call me a racist. Call me uneducated in the ways of the world. Call me what you will. But when I see somone who suggests denying a child an education for any reason (coughbushcough) I can't keep quiet. What happens when the white teachers refuse to teach the non-whites and there are no non-white teachers to teach them?
AmbientSnowflake
I am a broken record and/or a resounding gong.

Lay down your arms. Drop your weapons, and reservations of prejudice. We bleed red. But that is never enough.

We shop at the same grociery store. Our children play by the same jungle-jim. It will never be enough.

Our common denominator is not the color of our skin, but our birth from woman's whom, and suckling on her tit. For no other reason are we better than another.

A man beats his wife, his child. A woman kills her baby. A child poisons the drinking water. And we say, "Shame on you."

I am only a white man. I didn't choose to be called into existence as an American with white pigment in my skin. I came upon forces beyond my control. I do not call my brother by his name unless I know his name. I do not say, "Nigger," in a form demeaning the nature of life that holds us all. Justice serves under power. Forsake power so that humanity might know the infinity within herself.

We are. Until otherwise noted, carry on. As you were. I am my brother's keeper.
Unknown
What does a White person say and/or do to counter White Supremacy(Racism)?

I am a white person, who has countered racism in many ways. The way that I find most "win-win" is to be active in groups that help raise awareness to issues of inequality. Words are words, I don't have much faith in them. Words as we have clearly seen throughout your whole list of responses sound, to me, like people afraid to lose their status of higher paying jobs, access to good education, and seem like riteous people sitting on the coat tails of their privledged ancestors and then disguise their good fortune as hard work... there are a few times I even gasped while reading some of these comments, claiming they're not racist yet say they can't help that their DNA is so supremely golden... or using the common-reverse discrimination strategy- by claiming to be wounded that one blackey one time gave them a hard time - boo hoo - and now all of the blackeys are are bad.. and racism is "their" fault... a problem that "they" need to get over..

Your question is valid, not inflamatory, and it's left open for interpretation- fair enough- it does not need to be dissected. The reason -some- people have a "hard" time answering this question is because they fear the answer, because it will ask them to find compassion within, and that hurts the ego, that hurts every lie that we've been taught to think that's become apart of us.. but, I'd like to tell them, not a permanant part- because we have choice over our own thoughts and actions. Humanity can be greater only when we are all on the same level. For some of you that may be in your mind that you may need to humble yourself and beging inviting /sharing/ listening more. For others it may be a matter of celebrating diversity by attending cultural events that are not from your own culture.

As a culture we need to acknowledge that these inequalities, go back long before our time, which the repercussions are seen and felt in our time.. and this is the answer to the question "why can't we all just get along?" It's been a long time in the making, but it's long past due for racism's breaking. The poor have been silenced and left uncompensated. We are the ones to evolve it, not blindly support a corrupt system whose structure is set up to only let a few people of color rise to the top, a few women rise to the top, a few gays rise to the top- only to make it "look good" while, the obvious truth, where ever you look, the majority of the TOP jobs belong to the white male.

Lastly, and more tangibly, support local business, invest in people not corporations, keep money flowing locally and spread these ideals, because it's one way we can encourage economic growth and support each other, and through this gain a "real "sense of pride. We need to join groups to participate in our community, we need to vote for a president who cares about worker's rights, we need to respect other people's cultures enough to not declare war on them because the are "differences". Let it be, let it be- MAKE IT BE!
David Duke
QUOTE (Non-White Person @ Aug 12, 07:38 PM)
What does a White person say and/or do to counter White Supremacy(Racism)?

Until blacks stop being racist themselves and depending on Saxons for everything, your answer can be found @

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/index.php?referrerid=60954

You might also enjoy this article @

http://www33.brinkster.com/iiiii/inventions/

Enjoy and repent for hating the races enough to mix them away.
David Duke
QUOTE (Unknown @ Aug 13, 02:04 PM)
Let's face it, most racists are at the lower end of their race, and so they seek to identify with their race, and to make race an important issue, in order to make themselves feel more important and more elevated.    There are some exceptions, of course, but as a general rule, it seems that only losers are racists, and they turn into racists so that they can believe in the pleasant fiction that their race (and hence themselves) is superior, and by identification with their race, they come to believe that they are superior.  But I hope everyone can see the faulty logic here.    Superiority of a race does not imply superiority of an individual belonging to that race, though most racists (and in particular, those that we would identify personally as losers) would like you to believe otherwise.  It is a warped logic, I'll grant you that, but what can you do about it except better educate people as to the root causes of racism.

Now, I said racists tend to be losers in life and hence try to feel important by identifying with a "superior" race, but there are exceptions; namely, there have been exceptional men throughout history who have harbored racist views, and this cannot be easily explained away psychologically as I attempted above.  Rather, we must come to terms with the fact that even exceptional people can be racist, and we can attempt to understand why their reasons and logic for doing so.  There is a logic there.  Different races harbor relative differences in genes, and so the race issue boils down to the claim that one race's genetics is superior to anothers.  But who sets the criteria for whose genetics are superior?  Well, Mother Nature of course, and we're a part of it, which means that it is our natural right to do what we want, when we want, and to rest assured that Nature will take her course.  So, in the end, we see that racism is a non-issue in the grander scheme of things.  It is a pleasant fiction that some hold onto for various reasons, but it is a fiction nonetheless.

You're an idiot -- it's the ones who seek to mix the races into an ugly gray that hate themselves and the other races, not those who seek 'kind after kind' as God commands. Those 'racists' you mention were the top end of their race because the jew-invented word or emotion called racism didn't even exist until the mid-30's (if you could use a dictionary you'd know that).

Fortunately for you -- man says "all men are created equal" not God (so you can repent for disdaining His chosen race if you're among the Saxons -- or Issac's sons).

If you feel little better than ghetto animals I feel sorry for you.

I'll bet you're even the type of liberls who thinks this multicultural nightmare is a 'better world' as your children and babies are raped by godless heathens in the Superdome or much worse.

Statistics:

Blacks comprise 12% of the American population yet 85% of the prison populus, and 3 in 4 black males are HIV-positive -- so much for equality.

Sickle cell is a good thing...
Friar Brad
QUOTE (Non-White Person @ Aug 13, 01:33 PM)
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QUOTE (Non-White Person @ Aug 13, 12:51 PM)
QUOTE (Unknown @ Aug 13, 12:45 PM)
QUOTE (Non-White Person @ Aug 13, 12:33 PM)
What does a White person say and/or do to counter White Supremacy(Racism)?

the question is too vague to answer.

Then why are you still here?

cause I like you!

Do you mean you like niggers?

No, I mean I like you personally.

Well "personally" I am a nigger.

Well good -- by default you can never call a white man 'racist' for calling you what you equate yourself to, nigger.

In Jesus Christ,
Unknown
Thank you David Duke for proving my point without me having to say a word: We're standing at the edge of the abyss and looking down on it. And it's really dark down there!

This is what you're going to be doing while visiting this website during the next few days. You're going to lash away at everyone here with your potent dose of "love" and share with us your "wisdom" and "esoteric knowledge" (thank you for that, by the way)

And then, you're going to leave with website to never come back again. For other might benefit as well from this unique information that you're holding. So that, by year's end, at the laties, you'll be nothing but a fading memory around here. And that's an order.
Unknown
QUOTE (David Duke @ Nov 06, 09:52 AM)
You're an idiot -- it's the ones who seek to mix the races into an ugly gray that hate themselves and the other races, not those who seek 'kind after kind' as God commands.

and you, no doubt, are a bible-thumping bumpkin. Please, do the human race a favor, and do not reproduce.
Unknown
LOL! The man who sees a snake in the playground and doesn't smash its head can't even say he loves himself, much less his neighbor's small children.

Son, the white race is Christendom, we can never 'fade out' since we never have.
Unknown
QUOTE (Unknown @ Nov 06, 10:14 AM)
LOL! The man who sees a snake in the playground and doesn't smash its head can't even say he loves himself, much less his neighbor's small children.

Son, the white race is Christendom, we can never 'fade out' since we never have.

you, no doubt, are on the lower end of the spectrum of the white race, which is why you seek to identify with them, in order to elevate yourself. Unfortunately, by discounting individuality, you are blind to your own inadequecies. You do not speak for the 'white race', much less for the 'human race'. You are a poor example of a human being. Most people would be embarrassed by you. Your parents perhaps?
David Duke
quote (unknown @ nov 06, 10:27 am)
you, no doubt, are on the lower end of the spectrum of the white race, which is why you seek to identify with them, in order to elevate yourself.  unfortunately, by discounting individuality, you are blind to your own inadequecies.  you do not speak for the 'white race', much less for the 'human race'.  you are a poor example of a human being.  most people would be embarrassed by you.  your parents perhaps?

lol! only the spiritually sick could get mad at someone fighting for their own future (that is, assuming you're even a white person).

you're right -- it's impossible to speak for the entire white race because there's many liberals out there who seek the destruction of the races through mixing (yourself perhaps?). there's idiots who allow the media to tell them god isn't real while accepting faggots and homosexuals around their own children. there's suicidal people who hate themselves so much they can only attack those who don't.

one can't make someone have pride and you obviously have none.

http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/a...n101facts1.html

educate yourself and beware of the jews who hate you anyway:

quote
a few quotations
directly from the babylonian talmud.

what do jews believe an teach their children?



rabbis and talmud are believed
to be greater than god.
• "the commands of the rabbis are more important than the commands of the bible..." (erubin 21b. pp.149-150).
• "god intervenes in a rabbinical dispute and is logically defeated by a rabbi. god proclaims the rabbi the victor in the debate." (baba mezia, 59b, p. 353).
• "the rabbis are greater than the prophets". (baba bathra, 12a,p.59).


what about salvation in the talmud?
• "canaanites who live in israel will have eternal life." (kethuboth 111a, p.717).
• "he who recites psalm 145 three times a day will have eternal life." (pesahim 113a, p.582).
• "israel's sins were atoned for by the cloths of the high priest". (zebahim 88b, p.419).
• "living in the land of israel gives one eternal life". (pesahim 113a, p582).


the talmud and jesus and mary.
• "jesus was a bastard born of adultery." (yebamoth 49b, p.324).
• "mary was a whore: jesus (balaam) was an evil man." (sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725).
• "jesus was a magician and a fool. mary was an adulteress". (shabbath 104b, p.504).


what about the talmud & the christians?
• "christians are allied with hell, and christianity is worse than incest". (abodah zarah 17a, p.85).
• "when messiah comes he will destroy the christians". (sanhedrin 99a,p.668).
• "those who read the gospels are doomed to hell". (sanhedrin 90a, 100b, pp.601-602, 680).


the talmud on sexual perversion.
• "it is permitted to have sexual intercourse with a girl three years old and one day" (sanhedrin 55b,p.376).
• "...intercourse with a dead woman is apparently permissible". (yebamoth 55b, p.371).
• "sexual intercourse with a girl less than three is 'nothing'" (kethuboth 11b, p.58).
• "if a man commits sodomy with a boy less than nine years old, they are both guilty of sodomy" (sanhedrin 54b, 55a, p.371).


what do jews teach and believe about non-jews?

the talmud is a sacred book of religious laws and regulations governing the life of jews worldwide. the following excerpts shed some light on why the jews, who are the product of such teachings, find it so hard to assimilate in their host societies: "the jews are called human beings, but the non-jews are not humans. they are beasts." talmud: baba mezia, 114b (page referrals)

"the akum (non-jew) is like a dog. yes, the scripture says to honor the dog more than the non-jew." talmud:ereget raschi erod, 22 30

"even though god created the non-jew they are still animals in human form. it is not becoming of a jew to be served by an animal. therefore he will be served by animals in human form." talmud: midrasch talpioth, p 225, warsaw 1855

"a pregnant non-jew is no better than a pregnant animal." talmud: coschen hamischpat 405

"although the non-jew has the same body structure as the jew, they compare with the jew as a monkey to a human." talmud: schene luchoth haberuth, p 250b

"the souls of non-jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs." talmud: jalkut rubeni gadol 12b

"if you eat with a non-jew it is the same as eating with a dog." talmud: tosapoth, jebamoth 94b

"if a jew has a non-jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the jew. you should tell the jew: "god will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his animals had died."" talmud: jore dea 377

"sexual intercourse between gentiles is like intercourse between animals." talmud: sanhedrin 74b

"it is permitted to take the body and life of a gentile." talmud: sepher ikkarim iii c 25

"it is the law to kill anyone who denies the torah. the christians belong to the denying ones of the torah." talmud: coschen hamischpat, hagah 425

"a gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." talmud: abodah zara, 4b

"every jew who spills the blood of the non-jews, is doing the same as making a sacrifice to god." talmud: bammidber raba c 21 & jalkut 772


ah! god's 'chosen' race -- not!
code buttons
Often it turns out that our lips are saying one thing but our minds are thinking another when it comes to our social prejudice regarding skin color, gender issues and ethnic preferences. Regardless of our political, social or economical status, we all have deep-seeded and well cemented believes regarding our fellow man which we try to conceal even from ourselves. But, what if there was a way to find-out what is really hiding behind the social mask that we all wear in public? As it turns out, there is. Take the test, and see for yourself for the first time what’s really inside the vessel that we have so carefully crafted and put up for display for all (incluiding ourselves) to see:

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Rick
QUOTE(David Duke @ Nov 06, 10:41 AM) *

... beware ...

This liar is not really David Duke the politician, who, while I may not agree with his politics at all, would never be so stupid as to say anything so impolitic.

The lies about Jews are a hoax and totally fraudulent:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/qts.html

These lies have been circulating among hate groups and are reminiscent of the late 19th century hoax document "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," which was actually written by a bigot but was purported to document a Jewish conspiracy. The fraudulent document was often cited as justification for persecuting Jews before the second world war.

I request that the moderator censor the offending and similar posts.
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