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Robert the Bruce
We will see a Throop who was a member or official of the ‘Good Templars’. He is located where I think his ancestors were before Columbus; and in fact even long before that. In much of the Christian tradition there has been a secret that few Christians know, today. The Johannites like Leonardo da Vinci were convinced in John the Baptist whose 'messiahship' was greater than that of Jesus. The Roman Church even had the nerve to say this heresy was a belief of Satan. As far as I can see, they should know all about Satan. It is a concept they developed to foist evil on others. This Throop and others near Kingston are important parts of our story even if we don’t spend a lot of time on them.


"The Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources operates a fisheries research station at Glenora, Ontario. This station is on the mountain sacred to the Iroquois because of the clear lake on top of it, the Lake on the Mountain. Glenora is located at the mouth of the Bay of Quinte across from Adolphus Reach. In 1986, the Fisheries Research Board of Canada wanted to know how some extensive historical human phosphate pollution compared with modern concentrations. Early colonists used lye-based soap, a powerful agent of phosphate contamination, and they didn't treat the waste water before returning it to the lake. Was their pollution more serious than ours on a per-capita basis?


About 1,200 Loyalists were known to have landed and settled in Adolphustown in the 1790s, and it was thought that this known and concentrated population could provide evidence of pre-modern phosphate pollution. Accordingly, Concordia University was commissioned to take several core samples from the bottom of Adolphus Reach. (1) This was done over several years. The layer of lye-based phosphate pollution left by the Loyalists was duly discovered.


But something else -- not expected -- was discovered as well. At a level in the cores far below the Loyalist level, another level of intense phosphate pollution was discovered. It, too, indicated the use of a lye soap, but the chemical composition of the phosphates was slightly different, indicating a different process or a slightly different mixture of ingredients to begin with. This second, deeper, and completely unexpected band of phosphate pollution indicated (using the Loyalists as a benchmark) a European lye-soap-using population of at least one thousand persons who dumped waste water in the lake for at least a decade. The date? Based on the depth of the Loyalist layer of the 1790s, this earlier layer dated to about A.D. 1480 to 1520. Since several core samples were taken, and the two separate layers appeared in all of them, there can be little doubt or dispute about the evidence. But who were the thousand unknown Europeans who lived around the sacred Lake on the Mountain about three centuries before the Loyalists arrived at Adolphustown? No one knows.”(2)


Bruce Trigger is the 'expert' on this period of Indians in Canada. He has written volumes on the subject of this era leading up to the arrival of Cartier. In his book Children of the Aataentsic he says that some historians have tried to explain the report of Donnacona talking about these white men with woolens as if they were from Columbus' first voyage. This patent stupidity was also used in Venezuela where white men had the sweat baths unique to the area, as we have seen from Jennings and Lopatin's quoted work.
+Steven Curtis Lance
I saw the mention of Concordia University in the title of your post on the main board, and I just wanted to drop in to mention that I am a proud Concordia alumnus, Class of 1982.

Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est.
Robert the Bruce
Mo real eh?
Trip like I do
SCL, what was Concordia/Montreal like?

I'm thinking of applying to their graduate program in Fine Art (Painting/Sculpture).

I know the major highways are chaos at its fullest, having driven from the maritimes, numerous times, when I was a kid, heading out to Ontario (Trenton/Kingston/Toronto) on family vacations, visiting relatives.
+Steven Curtis Lance
Hey, Trip...

Actually, there are many campuses of Concordia University, and I graduated from the campus in Irvine, California. The Concordia of which I speak consists of nine university campuses and two seminaries in the US, with relationships with other systems in other countries. I know there is a relationship with some schools in Germany, also in Canada, so while I am an alumnus of Concordia University, I have never actually been to Montreal, more's the pity.

Sorry for any confusion my post might have engendered.

The painting and sculpture programs at Concordia Irvine are very strong, however, as are all the arts programs. I studied musical composition there, for example, and things only get better every year; there has been tremendous expansion and building at Irvine since I was there. It's a beautiful campus, set high on a hill, with a really amazing view.

Respect and Solidarity.
Trip like I do
I will look into Irvine and explore what they have to offer, however, schools in the US are so damn expensive as compared to Canadian Universities. I've heard it stated before that "You get what you pay for," although I do not think that that is the case here. Canada has some strong University art departments, both at the graduate and undergradute level, pumping out a different SELECT few of of the freshly enlightened every year. NSCAD in Halifax, N.S (similar to the city of San Fran, Cali in that it exists on a massive hill, in Halifax it is referred to as Citadel Hill). is one of the worlds more reputible art schools. UVic in Victoria B.C. as well.
+Steven Curtis Lance
Yes, you are quite right about the cost issue. Actually, when I went there it was a new campus, and although surprisingly strong in painting and other arts, including, as I have mentioned, musical composition, it was primarily known back then for theology, which I also studied.

I was just surprised to see Concordia mentioned in that post, above, and butted in.

I hope you find the right school, and that everything goes well for you there; I certainly want to wish you every success, every happiness.

Is it just me, or has this Friday the thirteenth been unlucky for others as well? This turned out to be one of the worst days I can remember. Yowza!

I wrote a sonnet about it, which I will post on the poetry board. I hope tomorrow is better!

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