Joesus
Aug 08, 2004, 04:52 PM
| QUOTE (Rajesh @ Aug 05, 03:22 PM) |
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Aug 04, 01:18 PM) | | QUOTE (Rajesh @ Aug 04, 05:17 PM) | If you have to anwer the question "What are we searching for?" in just one word, what would be your answer? |
Truth
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Same here  But, that always triggers another question: Can there be untruth. |
Being disconnected or turning away from the Truth initiates multidimensional chaos in the awareness of the Ego. But it is never really disconnected from its source or the Truth.
The words that I remember from my childhood still are true.
That there's none so blind as those that will not see and those who lack the courage and say its dangerous to try.
Well they just don't know that love eternal will not be denied
-Justin Hayward-(The Moody Blues)
What is the Truth?
The truth needs no defense. If anyone remembers that there is Eternal Truth or not is irrelevant; fortunately, truth is not democratic.
Once, everyone was convinced that the earth was flat and the sun rotated around it, but no change in the orbit of our daystar ever occurred because of mankind's beliefs. Nor did our spherical globe contract to a plane to align with ignorant humans.
Truth is everywhere, always.
rhymer
Aug 09, 2004, 03:02 AM
Quote:
What is the Truth?
The truth needs no defense. If anyone remembers that there is Eternal Truth or not is irrelevant; fortunately, truth is not democratic.
Once, everyone was convinced that the earth was flat and the sun rotated around it, but no change in the orbit of our daystar ever occurred because of mankind's beliefs. Nor did our spherical globe contract to a plane to align with ignorant humans.
Truth is everywhere, always.
You have told us several things (all of which I agree with) about some of the qualities of the Truth, but you have not stated what the Truth is! You also point out that Human beliefs can be woefully wrong! That is why finding the Truth is so difficult. Many think they have it, completely unaware of their false assumptions.
I should also say that I am not particularly worried by not knowing when I have the Truth.
I am quite happy with my current 'beliefs', whether they are Truthful and wholesome or not. They are the best I can achieve so far. I do continue to refine or consolidate them in light of my new experiences - this is all any of us can hope to achieve, though some may strive to rise above them (achieve Godness).
Rajesh
Aug 09, 2004, 08:52 AM
| QUOTE (Joesus @ Aug 08, 04:52 PM) |
Being disconnected or turning away from the Truth initiates multidimensional chaos in the awareness of the Ego. But it is never really disconnected from its source or the Truth.
Truth is everywhere, always. |
How does one get rid of this "multidimensional chaos in the awareness of the Ego"???
Robert the Bruce
Aug 09, 2004, 09:01 AM
Traveling to the other dimensions builds confidence and reduces chaos while improving the ability to structure or DECREE the chaos that can be creatively utilized as Bucky noted when he spoke about manifesting reality as 'creative realization'.
Joesus
Aug 09, 2004, 10:11 AM
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| You have told us several things (all of which I agree with) about some of the qualities of the Truth, but you have not stated what the Truth is! |
The Truth is the absolute one. It is, and always will be while all else is a product of that.
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| You also point out that Human beliefs can be woefully wrong! That is why finding the Truth is so difficult. Many think they have it, completely unaware of their false assumptions. |
That is a human truth.
A belief.
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I should also say that I am not particularly worried by not knowing when I have the Truth. I am quite happy with my current 'beliefs', whether they are Truthful and wholesome or not. They are the best I can achieve so far. I do continue to refine or consolidate them in light of my new experiences - this is all any of us can hope to achieve, though some may strive to rise above them (achieve Godness). |
This is an example of human beliefs being woefully wrong!
Your acceptance of Truth being difficult to know and to experience coupled with your acceptance of your current beliefs creates the experience that this is as good as it can get for you in this moment. That is projected into your reality of not just this moment but the future as well.
While you wait for some moment in time to provide absolute Truth, you make no choice to be anything other than what you experience now.
This surrender to experience is not the same as True surrender to your highest desire or the will of your highest Self.
Whether you believe in God or a Higher conscious will is not important, but if you look within each desire there is a desire to be completely satisfied beyond all doubts, questions and fears of probable wrong doings and experiences, this is not the same as compromise, capitulation or complacency.
Accepting this as being the best you can do when you know that you can do more is a compromise. If you don't think you can do better, then that is ignorance of what you know underlies all of your experiences and the truth in life not just congruent with yourself but for all of humanity.
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| How does one get rid of this "multidimensional chaos in the awareness of the ego"??? |
Change your point of reference.
The Ego is layered with beliefs and assumes it is a product of experience. The experiences are the product of beliefs and the Ego a product of consciousness to experience the manifest as it is created by belief and the influence of beliefs in desire.
You need to give the Ego a bigger taste of itself than any belief.
Once you have done that, a disciplined focus on that (not the experience but what it experienced) expands the egos awareness beyond its system of beliefs and frees it to do its real job, interpret the translation of will and manifestation of will. Desire if layered by personality will be limited by identification of (as Rhymer said) woefully wrong interpretations.
Free the mind of its beliefs and it sees and experiences life in a new form and purpose.
Instead of survival it changes to something more akin to sitting under a wish fulfilling tree.
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| Traveling to the other dimensions builds confidence and reduces chaos while improving the ability to structure or DECREE the chaos that can be creatively utilized as Bucky noted when he spoke about manifesting reality as 'creative realization'. |
Without the anchor of the absolute, multidimensional awareness can be the same trap as any belief. Getting lost in the product of the absolute whether in a single dimensional awareness or multidimensional awareness still loads the mind with experience and layers the egos belief system of realities and its seperateness.
It may be slightly more expanded than the waking state of consciousness but exalted awareness is not a pathway to Truth, It is only a byproduct of it.
Although you may find more enjoyment from the deconstructing of the byproduct to get another view of what it is, you will still be far from knowing the mind that created it and all of its subtle qualities.
In other words 3 pieces of the puzzle are still no better than one piece. If you weren't the creator of the puzzle you still are only guessing at what the entire picture would be. IF you know you were the creator of the puzzle and you don't know the bigger picture then you really haven't become the creator.
If you know you are the creator and you believe you know the bigger picture then you're still limited by your beliefs and experiences.
In Truth there is no Bigger picture. The picture is always subject to change and change is consistent with consciousness. Consciousness never changes but the nature of consciousness is the product of a changing consciousness.
Rajesh
Aug 10, 2004, 07:47 AM
| QUOTE (Joesus @ Aug 09, 10:11 AM) |
IF you know you were the creator of the puzzle and you don't know the bigger picture then you really haven't become the creator.
If you know you are the creator and you believe you know the bigger picture then you're still limited by your beliefs and experiences.
In Truth there is no Bigger picture. |
1) First I thought, I am a physical body and there are things outside and inside me.
2) Then comes the realization, that everything is in my consciousness
3) Then the realization that, there is nothing like 'my' consciousness, everything shares the same consciousnes
I predominantly operate at level 1, but for occasional vist to level 3.
Is this a belief of a bigger picture???
Joesus
Aug 10, 2004, 09:01 AM
| QUOTE (Rajesh @ Aug 10, 03:47 PM) |
| QUOTE (Joesus @ Aug 09, 10:11 AM) | IF you know you were the creator of the puzzle and you don't know the bigger picture then you really haven't become the creator.
If you know you are the creator and you believe you know the bigger picture then you're still limited by your beliefs and experiences.
In Truth there is no Bigger picture. |
1) First I thought, I am a physical body and there are things outside and inside me. 2) Then comes the realization, that everything is in my consciousness 3) Then the realization that, there is nothing like 'my' consciousness, everything shares the same consciousnes
I predominantly operate at level 1, but for occasional vist to level 3.
Is this a belief of a bigger picture???
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You operate at all levels but the attention is on level 1 if that is what you identify with.
Many have glimpses of reality because they're never separate from it but mostly the attention is on the habitual sense oriented awareness.
The glimpses stimulate the mind and its habitual programs so that the mind tries to fit the greater experience within the limits of the known.
Beliefs are more like the sum of your experiences which support your picture of reality. Often the beliefs can influence perceptions of reality and they can act like blinders to your vision.
There is a way to see apart from the belief structure but rising above the beliefs of reality to know the difference is something only Faith can lead you through.
Through the heart which knows no reason there is a subtle voice which speaks to you of the Truth.
When it calls to you and you are ready you will follow.
Rick
Aug 10, 2004, 11:35 AM
| QUOTE (Rajesh @ Aug 10, 07:47 AM) |
| ... everything shares the same consciousnes ... |
Yep. Another way of expressing this is with the identity theorem. If there is no way to tell two things apart then they are the same thing.
rhymer
Aug 10, 2004, 11:56 AM
Quote rajesh:-
"everything shares the same consciousness".
I need some help here folks !!!
To me, conciousness is awareness.
I am currently aware of something. applejack
Will anyone please tell me what it is I am aware of, so that I can see that others are aware of it at the same time?
Joesus
Aug 10, 2004, 12:24 PM
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Aug 10, 07:56 PM) |
Quote rajesh:-
"everything shares the same consciousness".
I need some help here folks !!!
To me, conciousness is awareness. I am currently aware of something. applejack Will anyone please tell me what it is I am aware of, so that I can see that others are aware of it at the same time? |
No no no. Who is the I that is aware? Awareness is more like the focus of a lense. If it is a microscopic lense it would miss the stuff outside of its range as would the opposite miss what it is not capable of focusing on.
Beliefs are like the mind twisting the lense to see specifics.
Consciousness is the mind behind the lense which is capable of altering the focus to suit the desire to see what it will.
What you are aware of is what you put your attention on.
Robert the Bruce
Aug 10, 2004, 12:26 PM
Consciousness is not necessarily awareness although there are similarities in the concepts. It is possible and indeed probable that consciousness has a wide range of variation including rocks and muons and sentient beings that have constituent conscious parts like the soul that few are aware of.
Dan
Aug 11, 2004, 02:16 PM
aware
Function:adjective
Etymology:Middle English iwar, from Old English gew*r, from ge- (associative prefix) + w*r wary — more at CO-, WARY
Date:before 12th century
1 archaic : WATCHFUL, WARY
2 : having or showing realization, perception, or knowledge
–aware£ness noun
synonyms AWARE, COGNIZANT, CONSCIOUS, SENSIBLE, ALIVE, AWAKE mean having knowledge of something. AWARE implies vigilance in observing or alertness in drawing inferences from what one experiences *aware of changes in climate*. COGNIZANT implies having special or certain knowledge as from firsthand sources *not fully cognizant of the facts*. CONSCIOUS implies that one is focusing one's attention on something or is even preoccupied by it *conscious that my heart was pounding*. SENSIBLE implies direct or intuitive perceiving especially of intangibles or of emotional states or qualities *sensible of a teacher's influence*. ALIVE adds to SENSIBLE the implication of acute sensitivity to something *alive to the thrill of danger*. AWAKE implies that one has become alive to something and is on the alert *a country always awake to the threat of invasion*.
consciousness
Function:noun
Date:1629
1 a : the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself b : the state or fact of being conscious of an external object, state, or fact c : AWARENESS; especially : concern for some social or political cause
2 : the state of being characterized by sensation, emotion, volition, and thought : MIND
3 : the totality of conscious states of an individual
4 : the normal state of conscious life *regained consciousness*
5 : the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes
Joesus
Aug 11, 2004, 02:20 PM
The definitive personal approach.
Rajesh
Aug 12, 2004, 07:22 AM
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Aug 10, 11:56 AM) |
Quote rajesh:-
"everything shares the same consciousness".
I need some help here folks !!!
To me, conciousness is awareness. I am currently aware of something. applejack Will anyone please tell me what it is I am aware of, so that I can see that others are aware of it at the same time? |
Rhymer, a quote from Joesus from another thread "memory of the god"
| QUOTE (Joesus @ Apr 17, 09:49 AM) |
Attention and awareness are not the same as consciousness. Consciousness is, and it is beyond the activity of the senses. Awareness and attention are two different things. Attention is the holding or maintaining of an idea or reality. Awareness is consciousness in activity within the maintained reality, the connecting link between consciousness and its thoughts, definitions or beliefs in manifest form.
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rhymer
Aug 12, 2004, 08:27 AM
Quote
WordNet Dictionary
Noun 1. awareness - having knowledge of; "he had no awareness of his mistakes"; "his sudden consciousness of the problem he faced"; "their intelligence and general knowingness was impressive"
Synonyms: cognisance, cognizance, knowingness, consciousness
2. awareness - state of elementary or undifferentiated consciousness; "the crash intruded on his awareness"
Synonyms: sentience
End of quote.
A synonym is a word which can be used to replace another word.
Namaste
radiogirl
Aug 14, 2004, 12:21 PM
I believe that we are all born with an inner desire to return to that complete "wholeness" state from we which originated from. I am 29 years old and I have only been experiencing my spiritual awakening over the past couple of years. I have searched to fill the hole in my soul my entire life. I tried filling it with drugs, other people, psychiatry, religion etc...
none of these proved to work. Some of them made the whole bigger and got me way off track. Today I have a personal relationship with my God, not the God of a particular religion that I feared as a child but, the God that I see and feel in myself , other people and all that is good in this world. I have a guide in my journey of life now. I have ceased fighting. I am on a journey of spiritual progress not spiritual perfection. I am a spiritual being living in an unspiritual world. I believe that enlightenment is the ability to live as a spiritual being harmoniously in an unspiritual world. This life of ours is only a dot on the page of our existence. It is a "practice test" to prepare our souls for the eternity. It is good.
Robert the Bruce
Aug 14, 2004, 01:48 PM
Sounds healthy!
radiogirl
Aug 14, 2004, 05:28 PM
Thanks! I'm working on it.
Trip like I do
Aug 14, 2004, 09:20 PM
We should go out, have a dink, anf talkf aboutf it.
Robert the Bruce
Aug 14, 2004, 09:49 PM
Did I suggest clandestine? I don't think so. The Manifest Destiny policy and the open warfare on truth or what Professor Graham Good calls Literary Theory and the management of society (McLuhan too) is openly available for any who really study. I also talked to various government departments and one lower level personsaid 'it is too political'. He was referring to the smallest part of the cover up - at Peterborough where the government allowed the Norse Ships to be ground off the rocks.
Please do not attribute more to me than you are able to demonstrate. In time you will learn and what you learn will be you or yours. I do not mind being a guide but I am not interested in being a guru or in having things I do not believe or do not do attributed to me. There is more than enough mystery in my life already - thanks.
Trip like I do
Aug 14, 2004, 10:36 PM
"10/4, rubber ducky." Quack! Quack!
Rick
Aug 18, 2004, 02:34 PM
If enlightenment is some end state then I don't want it. If I ever get to the state where there can be no improvement then I will be ready to die.
Rajesh
Aug 18, 2004, 11:25 PM
| QUOTE (Rick @ Aug 18, 02:34 PM) |
| If enlightenment is some end state then I don't want it. If I ever get to the state where there can be no improvement then I will be ready to die. |
I guess no one would seek an end-state.
Enlightenment has to be an endless-state.
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 05:47 AM
Enlightenment leads to expanded consciousness, and is complelty relative.
Jesu
Aug 19, 2004, 05:54 AM
| QUOTE (Unknown @ Aug 19, 05:47 AM) |
| Enlightenment leads to expanded consciousness, and is complelty relative. |
agreed, and nicely put.
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 06:13 AM
Enlightenment is a process. It is my belief that we will never arrive, not in this physical lifetime. That is not to say that we will not progress towards a more enlightened state in this, our physical, existence. It has been my experience, that it is definitely a process that involes a daily sometimes hourly effort. I have also found it to be somewhat like a revolving door; you may choose to do "the work" and proceed forward or you can rest on your gifts of knowledge and fall back through the door as if you never knew the better way. It can be very simple, but usually not very easy to move forward, to grow, to have more revealed to you...I am stuck in the doorway at this very moment. I haven't forgotten the better way. I can't seem to let go of yesterday and tomorrow in order to enjoy today...I'll get there, this has happened before. I need to let go. Simple; not easy.
Peace be with you,
radiogirl
Robert the Bruce
Aug 19, 2004, 07:28 AM
And my friend knows that the proccess is not just (!) intellectual.
Rick
Aug 19, 2004, 07:45 AM
I am gratified by your urbane and helpful responses.
Robert the Bruce
Aug 19, 2004, 08:32 AM
MOI????!!!
lol
Joesus
Aug 19, 2004, 09:57 AM
| QUOTE (Unknown @ Aug 19, 01:47 PM) |
| Enlightenment leads to expanded consciousness, and is complelty relative. |
Only the limited Egoic perspectives of consciousness and enlightenment are Relative.
What the fully enlightened experience is not relative, only the relation of definitions to what is experienced by the ego is relative.
The experiences of the ego may change but if the experience is of the absolute, IT (the absolute) will never change.
When you look at IT from different levels of awareness or multidimensionally the mind in association with ego follow habitual patterns of thought based on past impressions, but to rise above the association that is dual, to the Union of the absolute with manifest reality relativity becomes meaningless.
If you rise above the limits of Time then all things exist in the infinite. They do not come and go by relative design because they do not come and go, they simply are as is the Consciousness that manipulates it because it can and will.
From the absolute reality of Union, all things are formless and yet have form but the form is not relative to anything other than a need or desire to associate the personal to the manifest, separate from the absolute One consciousness, which in reality does not exist above and beyond the formless.
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 10:07 AM
| QUOTE (Joesus @ Aug 19, 09:57 AM) |
| QUOTE (Unknown @ Aug 19, 01:47 PM) | | Enlightenment leads to expanded consciousness, and is complelty relative. |
Only the limited Egoic perspectives of consciousness and enlightenment are Relative. What the fully enlightened experience is not relative, only the relation of definitions to what is experienced by the ego is relative. The experiences of the ego may change but if the experience is of the absolute, IT (the absolute) will never change. When you look at IT from different levels of awareness or multidimensionally the mind in association with ego follow habitual patterns of thought based on past impressions, but to rise above the association that is dual, to the Union of the absolute with manifest reality relativity becomes meaningless.
If you rise above the limits of Time then all things exist in the infinite. They do not come and go by relative design because they do not come and go, they simply are as is the Consciousness that manipulates it because it can and will.
From the absolute reality of Union, all things are formless and yet have form but the form is not relative to anything other than a need or desire to associate the personal to the manifest, separate from the absolute One consciousness, which in reality does not exist above and beyond the formless.
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There seems to be a confusion here I'd like to take a stab at.
When we speak of expanding consciousness, this does not imply the existence of ego. Joesus, you seem to be conflating definitions when you assume that expanding consciousness presumes ego. It does not. It only presumes Being.
Expanding consciousness generally refers to expanding one's own consciousness, where one's own consciousness does not necessarily include duality or the existence of ego. To talk of Absolutes is meaningless insofar as it is something outside our experience, since all experiences are relative. The Absolute is merely a conjecture. It has no utility, nor basis, in experience. If you object, then why don't you tell us more about this Absolute? How big is it? Is it growing? Is it timeless? Is it spaceless? Pray tell.
Robert the Bruce
Aug 19, 2004, 10:57 AM
No human has yet achieved FULL enlightenment and any human perspective on it will only achieve a RELATIVE understanding that proceeds along UNIversal lines or LAWS.
Here are the three ancient LAWS.
1. As Above, SO Below
2. RIGHT THOUGHT = RIGHT ACTION
3. Scrire, Potere, Audere, Tacere (Know, Will, Dare, Keep Silent)
I replace the last one due to the abrogation of the Tacere portion in the Atomistical period of the late 20s. I use instead a saying attributed to Jesus, though far older.
He who is least selfish is most selfish.
Rick
Aug 19, 2004, 11:10 AM
| QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Aug 19, 10:57 AM) |
| He who is least selfish is most selfish. |
I don't understand this. It sounds like a paradox.
Robert the Bruce
Aug 19, 2004, 11:30 AM
Nils Bohr - 'A Great truth has an opposite which is also true, a trivial truth has an opposite which is merely false.'
Mayan saying - 'Do not put yourself in front of your Self.'
Robert the Bruce
Aug 19, 2004, 11:33 AM
Arians go back to Gaedhilic schools which go back to Abaris the Druid who taught Pythagoras which is the last record of the Bairdic University System having a Dean.
Arians and Eire-yanns (Yann = the people of) became screwed over to Aryans by those who got a little glimpse of this system in the late 19th Century. - The Nazis.
Trip like I do
Aug 19, 2004, 12:28 PM
| QUOTE (Unknown @ Aug 19, 05:47 AM) |
| Enlightenment leads to expanded consciousness, and is complelty relative. |
"What am I" searching for? At what level? An expanded state of consciousness that allows my relative cognitive thought processes the ability to breathe order into the disordered state of mental realities that, as a member of the global community, I co-exist in, co-habituate in, and co-create in, and co-develop in, and expand and elevate the collective consciousness of mankind in our quest for "What it means to be." (As I typed this last statement, I thought, "Can I elevate the collective consciousness because, 'I am Man,' and do I have the ability to raise consciousness for womankind, for 'Do I know, relatively speaking, what the world imprints like on the female psyche?'" May be, if one believes in the whole reincarnation complex, and 'I was Woman' in some previous incarnations. Poses an interesting paradox and parallax.
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 02:04 PM
| QUOTE (Trip like I do @ Aug 19, 12:28 PM) |
| and 'I was Woman' in some previous incarnations |
are you saying that you feel like a woman trapped in a man's body?
what?!
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 02:07 PM
Infering multi-dimensional perspectives of life, from a man's point of view vs. a woman's point of view.
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 02:10 PM
Was a rhetorical question, un-elightened one. Crawl out from the turbid depths of your ignorance.
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 02:11 PM
| QUOTE (Rick @ Aug 19, 11:10 AM) |
| QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Aug 19, 10:57 AM) | | He who is least selfish is most selfish. |
I don't understand this. It sounds like a paradox.
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maybe he meant "he who appears least selfish is most selfish"? Looks can be deceiving and everyone knows that best way to feign something is to temporarily believe in it (or at least that's what actors tell me).
It is natural to seek what is to our advantage, which on the face of it suggests we should all be overtly selfish; however, this is not the case, and it appears that nature gives a selective advantage to those who are covertly selfish versus those who are overtly selfish. In some cases, the selfishness is so covert that the person genuinely believes they're being altruistic and selfless, but rest assured that at the core, behind all appearances, self-preservation is at work and is pulling the strings. Altruism is all too often a guise for selfishness. The question is, do genuine altruism and selflessness exist, and if so, what does that mean, that the person has no self-preservation instinct?
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 02:12 PM
| QUOTE (Unknown @ Aug 19, 02:10 PM) |
| Was a rhetorical question, un-elightened one. Crawl out from the turbid depths of your ignorance. |
all in good fun
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 02:16 PM
That whole "Am I a woman trapped in a man's body and vice-versa," debate is a whole 60's issue dealt with and perpetrated by those of that era.
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 02:18 PM
| QUOTE (Unknown @ Aug 19, 02:16 PM) |
| That whole "Am I a woman trapped in a man's body and vice-versa," debate is a whole 60's issue dealt with and perpetrated by those of that era. |
that was well before my time, but in any event, I was j/k about the trapped woman.
Robert the Bruce
Aug 19, 2004, 02:47 PM
No I did not mean that and no person who is seeking enlightenment would be so materialistic or aggressively selfish. It mwans just what it says and there is really nothing paradozical about it - 'He who gives receives is another away of putting it.'
Nichomachean Ethics by Aristotle is a good explanation of how to approach giving from a more controlling viewpoint of ego - and in that regard which I call Contribution Dynamics and a good way of ensuring that one has a real relationship with life rather than the illusion of ego driven gifts.
For example I saw The Door Beneath the Floor last night. The Jeff Bridges character did appear very selfish throughout the moovie but in the end it became clear he had given his all and enabled all that he met. It lead to great success and wisdom in his life.
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 02:52 PM
| QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Aug 19, 02:47 PM) |
| no person who is seeking enlightenment would be so materialistic or aggressively selfish |
oh come now. It is how nature has designed us. It is our nature. We have gotten where we are mostly by the self-preservation instinct. It is often hideous to behold it in it's naked form, and so it clothes itself in all sorts of guises to appear more palatable to our consciousness; One of its favorite guises is altruism, and the appearance of selflessness.
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 02:53 PM
recognize your own nature
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 02:56 PM
nature likes to put on appearances for the faint of heart, but true strength is required for relishing in nature, and in one's own nature, without need of a facade or of pleasant fictions.
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 02:58 PM
| QUOTE (Unknown @ Aug 19, 02:52 PM) |
| all sorts of guises to appear more palatable to our consciousness |
What is your guise (dis)? What appeals to your palatable consciuosness?
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 03:00 PM
who are all these unknown respondents who are guised as thus?
Unknown
Aug 19, 2004, 03:01 PM
Have strenght in your own nature and reveal your 'unknown' identity.