Robert writes:

Dear Warren

Indeed you are right at least partially. I do not know if you are saying magick or more properly majik is not real though. It does in fact have the ability to influence energy.

But certainly I explained to them (Two major events separated by some 20 years) that I was not a 'believer' in any thing that they might project into my mind. So in one case I deflected the energy and it impacted a lady who loved me. Apparently the cleansing protection I put on the energy turned it into good energy for the person that received it. In the other case they succeeded (They were gay men) in making whole blood come from my penis.

Interesting this hockus pokus nonesense,.....but then all gods are drugs of some mind over matter. ...someone elses, of course! Or is it simply minding over our masters?

MRI scans circumvent and detect artifical radio-active isotopes which are suggested to suggest which parts of brain matter and blocks are being used or unused in cognitve processes. But then I also said here, suggested to suggest...as if...instrumentalism...reductionism....and nasty little critters, that lot!
Now just say we tip all neural equasions upside down?
Nah, bugger it, let's just turn the whole box and dice upside down to see what's what and who's who that falls back to earth in a screaming heap!
Will everything still then remain logical to us then ? Or simply remain a bilateral social contract where the most effecient means and greatest number will suffice as an affective regal factor to both explain and cure all of very our odd idiosyncratic natures...another exponentail matrix of magic that doesn't happen or make sense all the time ?
But then again we might find the actual grey matter we delve into so blindly with all sorts technocratic paraphenalic devices, might just be actuality within the water surrounding it, rather that a lump of mass itself masquerading as itself!
Remember: 28 grammes of necro-waste becomes very clear also as water vopourises in very odd manners in either anatomical or osmotic processes! Oh, and I am a philospher by the way, so I'm always lost in jar called me with all kinds of rocket scientists!
So if you think about this very carefully, Mind body duality disappears in the waste of neuraltopia which it's always been. And the nerual pain gates situated within the spine, where actual seperation from the actual brain occurs, will eluminate my proffering.....and it's not conjecture, just lateral thinking in operation! Hmmmm...even stupidity creates something wonderful, and I for one love a damn good laugh!
Now now, Double blind experiments using pseudo facts are proxies which work in theory also...so now we're faced with a double if 'as if' problem? The old Maxwell Smart double negative, hey!
And this all now becomes very very problematic..not as if!
But then I could also start to rave on and on about homeopathy and other witch doctor cures which include 'eyes of newts and 'toes of frogs' , but we would regress to find a very infinite regress here....or maybe not because at least we'd be on the right track going somewhere other than into complete future of total oblivion.
My ultra-point is that without science, at least we'd be following basic human instincts and going somewhere, rather than becoming technosapiens with non consumative value unless we're on a pill popping or mechanicaly assisted schedule which is nerually manipulated by a have or have not menatlity of profit and loss statements! Phew.....!

Hmmmm...what a mouthful...petooowiii....I'm starting to sound like a Marxist's here...sorry!
I don't like Ist's nor Ism's...And I'm not a racist because I hate you all exactly the same!

So then, lets all agree to disagree shall we: I believe magic happens because it's mind over matter, whereas both science and gravity sucks because these matters weigh over minds and on them... not within them! Ethics ladies and gentleman...they are not Virtues as virtues should be given and not practised!

William Wallace

Jasper

Nice dialectic William although I don't see how it fits within any neo-marxist manifesto which as you mentioned earlier is another form of bilateral social contract. Still I can't argue that magic is mind over matter while our conditional contracts are based on as long as you mind, you still matter.

To suspend mind body perceptual reality may be a harder habit to kick then any pain pleasure endorphens including the borg mentality that all progress is weighed in the amount of information we can process.

I agree that ethics are mostly rude guests at the last supper or graffiti above the urinals of the Karamazov brothers. But the notion that we'd all be better off without science is kind of like saying we should abandon senses like Augustine in a inspirational hangover moment. Science doesn't elevate us it merely exposes us in other words. I for one am glad not to live within a cartesian (closed)belief system yet for the life of me I cant see how it benefits me except I can tell the pious they had it all wrong.

You claim the mantle of philosopher which condemns you already. Now take up the charge of metaphysican and lose your soul for eternity.

Regardez la rant avec la plaiser,
Et

Certainment mon frere.

hi, rick ! it is interesting to tune in and see another name or two. at least i find it is. i wonder what the record is. i have seen three on at the same time.

now you are gone.

okay, i want to comment, to all who post here, on what i consider to be gentle ranting, so far. btw, what are the rules, and how strict is shawn about seeing that they are kept?

for those who love to read vicious rants

Those of you who like to read vicious rants, click on

http://24.222.18.250/w_boomer/forum/wbforum.cfm

Let me know if you have trouble reaching THE BOOMER. You can always Google it as a guest. It costs nothing to join.

Despite the excellent rules, which were set up by the host, jon chevreau, a financial writer with the national post--canada's second national daily paper, right wing--in competition with the kerry-supporting globe and mail, there are a few posters there who are determined to verbally slag one another, and others who get in the way, into the ground.

btw, i call this verbal terrorism. it motivates many posters to quit and/or just stay away.

interestingly, when i first went on line, i was invited by jon chevreau--was it back in 1997,1998 or 1999--to be a part of twb, which grew out of an earlier forum called tfl--the financial library.

i am not pushing you to do so, but if you decide to visit twb--it used to be called the wealthy boomer--take note that it has three sections:

first there is the wealth section, then wisdom, and then well-being. wealth, is for those who are interested in the financial industry. by and large, it contains a lot of interesting information for those who are interested. i wish i had the time.

btw, things became so heated, there, that jon was forced to open a section called, 'pandora's box'--are you familiar with the greek myth?--for those who want to fight each other about issues having to do with nature and function of taxes.

here is what happened in wisdom and well-being

widsom and well-being is supposed to be for those who want to discuss ideas and concepts. i have learned a lot by writing to them.

be warned, many of the threads contain anything but wisdom. eventually, things became so filled with merciless argumentum ad hominems, personal insultsincluding outright lies, that, after i suggested a thread using the title the couch...which suggestion was met with sniping and scorn.

eventually, jon came up with a sub-section which he called anarchy...later, it was changed to anomie--without rules. and there it stands at the point. [btw, should we have an anomie section at mind-brain?]

if you so choose, after you have looked at it, i would be interested in reading your thoughts. let me know what you think.

Sometimes I see three or four in the poetry forum.

jasper... in your last post you used dice as a metaphor. but the way that you talked about it, it seems to me like what you're proposing is that the dice are all laid out at the moment and we've all been analyzing and calculating and studing the numbers on top. but if we "turn the whole box and dice upside down" then there would be new numbers on top of the same dice so therefore our conjectures about the original numbers would be skewed and possibly irrelevant. well, assuming that i understood that much of your metaphor right, here's my opinion on that:

don't forget that dice are 6-sided. the six sides stay exactly the same no matter which way the dice are turned. there will be a different number on top if we turn them upside down, but who says we only have to look at the top? the only way to fully understand the dice will be to look at them on all sides. we'll get different perspectives on them but the numbers stay the same. and the way that i see it, science and magic are different numbers on the same die.

How come the CAPS disappear? Or does it matter?

Are there not many guests watching most of the time?

BTW, I have added to the definition of G-d:

G-d IS the IT in things;
The WHAT in animals;
The WHO in humans;
The WHERE in space;
The When in time;
The WHY for all things,
And the HOW to put them all together,
In the great and mysterious
UNITY of all life and being.

so g-d is basically the big picture of everything, the order that comes from the chaos?

Thanks to your comment, FF, I wrote the following. Feel free to add your thoughts:

For me,
G-d is the IT in all things;
The WHAT in animals;
The WHO in humans;
The WHERE in space;
And the WHEN in time.

G-d is the reason WHY for all that is,
The HOW, we can, by working together as community,
And using the gifts of science and art, bring order out of chaos,
And all things together for good
In a world filled with Justice and peace for all.

G-d is the power in every tiny atom;
The face and form in galaxies above;
G-d dwells within the human heart,
As goodness, order and design--
The source of wisdom, faith and hope and love.

Including the microcosm and the macrocosm
G-d is this wonderful and marvelous mystery we call
The unity of life, in which we live and move and have our being.

MIND OVER MATTER – PROVEN:


The following quote is a review I found on Amazon.com for a book I have only read about but seems to confirm many other things. The book is written by a former Chair of Material Sciences at Stanford and I think it fits the work of Dr. Don Robins as well as other Intelligent Design researchers we have discussed.
“Mind Over Matter -- Proven!, June 11, 2002
Reviewer: Dave Stein, Scientific Editor, Frontier Perspectives


In striking contrast with many books focused on next-generation physics, mathematics, biology, psychology, or medicine, Conscious Acts of Creation combines a brilliant theoretical model with several rigorous experiments that explore the influence of human intention on physical reality - in living as well as inanimate systems. It is in these convincing demonstrations that the principle "as above, so below" comes to life. Even more profoundly, the book establishes that repetition of the experiments in given locales can dramatically increase the power of the locales to reproduce the results - with some locales retaining their conditioning or "charge" for more than a year! These findings lend plausibility to that which mystics know as "sacred space."


A postulated theoretical model provides a launch point for interpreting the experimental results. Its major cornerstone is an eight-dimensional biconformal base space with two four-dimensional, Fourier transform related subspaces. One subspace corresponds to our everyday world, whereas the other subspace is a reciprocal or inverse "etheric" space - roughly analogous to k-space but with additional postulated properties including superluminal "velocities" (presumably in inverse units) and interchanged roles of electricity and magnetism. The model incorporates nonlocality, a scientific principle that may someday prove to be the underpinning for phenomena such as parapsychology and distant healing. Furthermore, the authors note similarities between their model and models proposed by other scientists, some highly prominent. Granted, the model becomes more speculative when it associates even higher dimensionalities with emotion, mind, and spirit. Even then, however, it remains consistent with various esoteric teachings, and it may yet provide the empowering mechanism for manifestation of intention (where the two subspaces, in some ways mutually symmetric, appear to play asymmetric roles) and in otherwise connecting science with spirit. Readers who disagree with the postulated model will nonetheless benefit from the authors' brilliant insights.


Mysticism aside, the postulated "mind over matter" mechanisms include a possible role for variation in atomic and molecular ground state energies. The observed space conditioning is discussed in the context of gauge symmetries. Rounding out the model are the insightful discussions of augmented electromagnetism (which the authors associate with Qi), inner self-management techniques such as Qi Gong and Yoga, and even the existence of two phases of liquid water. In Chapters 9 and 10, the authors become futurists as they suggest possible implications of reciprocal space engineering for medicine, pharmacology, communications, and manufacturing.


On the experimental side, the authors set the example in thoroughness and scientific rigor, although the in-depth discussion of the protocols as well as the order of topics may impact the book's readability. A mitigating factor is the brilliant introduction to gauge theory and the elucidation of several other topics including self-sustained oscillations, crystallography, and reciprocal space. In fact, the book is a mini physics course that presents various principles of electromagnetism, thermodynamics, solid-state physics, and quantum mechanics in a readable and understandable way. Also included is a brilliant discussion of enzymes, coenzymes and the electron transport chain as they relate to the experiments.


Scientists, healers, and others who investigate or work with subtle energies will appreciate the authors' insights on repeatability of experimental results. In the mainstream scientific community, replication of results is a test for credibility; yet consistent results in healing, dowsing, remote viewing, and ESP are often elusive. Armed with successful demonstrations of space conditioning, the authors shed new light on this longstanding issue - although they discuss other factors, both geocosmic and human, that can also impact repeatability of results.


Conscious Acts of Creation makes a convincing case that the powerful effects of intention and emotion can no longer be disregarded - in healing, in scientific research, or even in everyday life. The authors' findings may indeed have profound consequences for the concept of scientific "objectivity." More significantly, this book will take the reader beyond the realm of the everyday world and will expand one's view of himself or herself as a co-creator of reality. It is for this reason that Conscious Acts of Creation is essential reading - not only for scientists, engineers, and health care practitioners (both mainstream and complementary) but also for others who seek to maximize their human experiences. Conscious Acts of Creation indeed heralds and points a way ahead for ‘the emergence of a new physics.’�



Fear not, nor be dismayed at the appearance that is darkness, at the disguise that is evil, at the empty cloak that is death, for you have picked these for your challenges. They are the stones on which you choose to whet the keen edge of your spirit. Know that ever about you stands the reality of love, and each moment you have the power to transform your world by what you have learned.

One
by Richard Bach

FF, the following is for your information: Posted: Sep 26 2004, 02:39 AM and in http://www.flfcanada.com
my site.

Aug 07, 10:04 AM

I usually spell the divine name, G-d--the same as do Orthodox Jews, when writing in English. Because Idolatry is very abhorrent to Judaism, Orthodox Jews will not pronounce YHWH--what is called the "sacred tetragramaton", which we translate 'Jehovah', and meaning the Lord God (See Genesis 2:4). They do this because they want to avoid imaging G-d in any way, shape, or form, including even with the mind. I feel the same way. While respecting others who think otherwise, this is why I find it impossible to think of G-d as 'a' person to whom I can talk and write like I can to you. It is my opinion, it is our failure to understand this which makes so many people what I call 'practical atheists', including many who say that they believe in God.

Keep in mind that our normal use of 'person' is not the same as its use in Medieval philosophy, or even modern law. For example, in law a corporation is referred to as a 'person'--an instrument. which can be used by people.

However, to avoid confusion, in the following poem, I will use the traditional; spelling.

************G...O...D**************

GOD dwells within this heart of mine,
As Goodness, Order and Design;
All growing in a positive direction.
The source of knowledge, wisdom, power
And present with us at this hour,
Impelling us to find divine perfection.

GOD lives in justice, peace and truth,
As old as time and young as youth--
The source of beauty and of real communion.
GOD lives as faith and hope, and love,
Around, within, beneath, above,
Inviting us to join the great re-union.

GOD is the source of total health;
The source of science, art and wealth,
And interpenetrates through all creation.
Past, present, future move as one,
Around a bright celestial Sun,
Whose glorious light invites participation.

LGK
lgking
Posted: Aug 08, 02:17 PM

What is God?

for me (Swan) God once was a personal god, now it is impersonal and there is no-body there, just the universe -- is this what God is? In a way "my" view can never change again although I am positive that it will]

Swan, I agree. Unitheism allows me to do this without being an atheist. Do you understand what I mean by this?

www.sacredcenters.com/articles/noosphere.html by Judith, Dec. 1996

so g-d is basically a label in the form of a non-label. and this is the best way that we can understand something that can not be understood in the standards of our brains, like the impossible concepts of infinity and nothing that are real without existing.

the question for me isn't what the word g-d 'means', the question for me is why people need to use the word g-d

of course I do have ideas

Dear Jasper

Who is disagreeing in this thread? Just you, though illiterately so!

The Devil's advocate usually presents something factual or at least an argument beyond the ad hominem variety.

Grow up and start to learn something or this life of yours will be just like all those others you think you have lived.

Dan

I don't mean your special version of the word, just the word in general. What is gained from the idea 'god'?

My point exacty dan, which bob misses always...name it, become it, but slay it and pay it.
And devil smevil, my bum....a mere metaphor advocates nothing more than pure wind....so booooo!
Here's your logic Bruce 0+0=0-1=0: but mine, 0+0=0+0 which = 2 not 1! Therefore 1+1=3 as 1+1=2 logic forgets carry the 0, which is the centre, and it requires addition not subtraction!
So meet my metaphor....Delvil + God=D=G which is 2 + 0 =3...dialetic!
On this basis one cannot destroy +G with -G as only (+G)+(+G)=0.
Now then Bruce, play games with that for while and do be so pathologically pedictable!

Aristotle's sullogm is not a Wittgenstein syollogism.....worlds apart actually. But then I listened to my history and matrix lessons and moved on to tackle the heap...not control it!
Growth is only a coined term for a concept which para-evolves in many newtonian directions: Cause and effect granted, but also infinite on and in all direction! So to further this journey, the fainthearted stuck inside a dead mans history will distort and compact rather than expand and contact the search...see Albert E for nothing but a clue! Throw a rock in full glass of water and you'll see what I mean. And playing half full or half empty is bum fluff, when you've no idea what I nor others like me are truly saying nor looking for here....that is very sad!

God, or The candy man, is confusion making sense... or at times not: hence logic steps a devil or God up to golden plate to lighten the dice load of mental shutter on finite minds. But this minds not finite, and if studied long enough before interfering with any matrix even confusions confusion will make sense to all confusion if we simply open minds fully and co-operate with it instead of trying to control every thing! Phew...breathe in little socratic Jasper...damn these memory chips!
Now then Bob: if you note all my comments here there and everywhere, you will see I always end with respect...mutual being it's premise!
Now bugger off because I'm thinking!

Respect Jasper

Dear Lindsay

Pardon my impertinence but I find myself agreeing with Dan. You do tend to be enamoured with using the foul word that has fostered all the negative aspects of society and its divisive wars. Panentheism is a far older thing than the label - try Druids and shamans per Eliade who has authored the Encyclopedia on World Religions - or Campbell and many other top scholars who are well aware of the damage done by religion.

In fact (though I agree with a lot of what you say and believe the pulpit can have a role in true ecumenical affirmative action to correct the evils of the behemoth of Church and State [corporatists etc]) you are still selling religion and not spirituality when you use these symbols so full of hatred and dogma.

as much as i'm against religion, i think that what lindsay is saying makes a lot of sense. i don't think that she's "selling religion" like robert the bruce said she was. from what i've seen of her posts, she's presenting her beliefs about religion, and rather than selling them she's asking our opinion on them. and as far as using "g-d" as a symbol, if that is what you were implying robert, she's simply using it as a label since the human mind thinks in terms of labels and therefore can't understand anything that dosn't have a label. the main harm that religion has had on the world is not due to the religion itself, it's due to the misinterpretation and misuse of the principals. the way that lindsay presents religion dosn't seem to invite misinterpretation or misuse... or at least that's what i got out of the whole thing.

Dear F

Lindsay is a man and a man trained to sell religion. As to the symbols - you could study a lot of threads here from the Matrix to Semiotics and the stufff by The Fetch - then we could get into whee that stuff leads.

I for one, in support of Linds, have found his remarks consistently to be in support of goodness and truth.

If I saw the univese in the pattern of rattlesnake skin is that intelligent design? If so then the Sun God is real. For everything I observe and the ions that synapse between the calcified walls of cogito ergo sum are part of the solar equation.

If a bone marrow cell became aware of its existence would it conclude that the rumored consciousness it existed in was the intelligent creator of it's universe?

Is it possible the first cause whatever its designated flavor of the month is; is in symbiosis with us as much as the marrow cell to our perception of being?

The intelligent chef theory always behooves the question who hired the chef and what's that smell? What existed before first cause in other words? And why not order take out instead of cooking up a whole universe for us to ooh and ah about?

And why did they give Zoroaster permission to make up the menu with dualist descriptions. The soup du jour is a sweet and sour existence and may cause flatulent ideas. Before you leave, fill in the cards describing your impressions. If you find the soup too sweet or sour we will a. tell you the cook is off with an non food related ailment. Go back to Des Moines you gauche batard and put ketchup on everything c) hunger makes the best sauce d) congratulations you exist as a contestant in cosmic 'fear factor'

By the way #1, RTB, FF's interpretation of what I am trying to say is bang on. Thanks FF.

BTW #2: Now spell out what you mean when you tell us that you are against religion. What does the word 'religion' mean to you?

I am assuming that what buggs you is organized, formalized, dogmatized and power-driven religion, designed to create masters and subjects?

Rick, thanks.

May I add: I am also for all that is lovely, beautiful, harmonious, peaceful and economically just.

The challenge is: How we can get beyond the platitudes and make all this HAPPEN, now! I want the kingdom and/or republic of G-d to start happening, now--physically, mentally and spiritually.

By the way (BTW) I do have a few ideas--and I invite those of others--as to HOW we can make this happen.

by religion i mostly mean organized religion, but on a broader level i mean any kind of religion that is used out of context. religion dosn't have to be organized to be used out of context.

Dear Lindsay

You have my approval (LOL).

I am taking my beautiful, Jean, out to dinner, is this okay?]

Dear Lindsay

You can imagine how much it pained me to agree with Dan about your constant beating of the g-d drum - get over it already. You are selling something wrapped in clothes that you do not understand the Matrix behind (I think and I see no evidence that you understand Semiotics or the other threads here.).

And then you say I am 'off base' even though you do not participate or seek to engage dialogue about the use of symbols even in your cherished Hypnosis thread where I gave expert evidence of the use of these symbols in developing hypnotic control (and can give a great deal more).

Dear Eternum

Even the best people saying they are good and talking a great game will engage little real Principles or seek to find the terms therefore. As you know we have tried to get people to start talking terms in the manner recommended by the head of the Club of Rome and it has gotten few real takers - SAD is it not? Instead people carry on with the ego game and seek to bamboozle each other while talking 'at' rather than 'with' each other.

I must say that it all wears rather thin at times - I really should just PUFO!

it is hard for people to talk with each other since few people really understand each other.

BTW, is it okay to refer to G-d as the divine matrix--that which gives order and design to what we experience as the physical universe? I think Chardin wrote about LE MILIEU DIVIN, did he not?

i don't think it should matter much what you call the divine matrix as long as the matrix is real and you are seeing it for what it is and the label you put on it dosn't cause you or anyone else to see it for anything other than what it is.

The Construct is not real but it appears so.

There are many competing constructs which the astral traveler will meet - you might try to get the old debates here with Red Dragon but a lot of it went on off site with Fetch and I taking him to task at another site.

He was caught up in the Rabbinical construct of the Yaho to YHVH matrix too but he was also involved with Mayan shamans so it was worthwhile.

Dear Lindsay

Just search for the Semiotics thread and even that one on the Matrix by Enki.

G-d has a well established history which you have described partially. What appears at the surface to mean one thing means something else again in the layers of Jehovian macho mysogyny that YHVH ended up becoming in the hands of those like Moses/Akhenaten.

This history is created to separate man from his soul (and his equal feminine hemisphere in the brain and his mother and sister or daughter) or the collective and in its name all manner of people who believed what you say you believe have gone to the 'autos da fe' or stake. Some of them are also harvested for specific nutrients as those great early Christian types were what Nero called cannibals. It continues today in Christian Mystery Schools seeking enhanced spiritual power through ingestion of as near to alive human thalami as possible.

You might also enjoy defining Devoted Ones. I had thought it meant something pious - but as Cahill (Gifts of the Jews is backed by all the major Christian denominations) proves it means something VERY different.

What Eternum said 20 steps way back when, is very correct. Don't attack Gods with your Gods as nothing is accomplished other than spilling tomato sauce over your own face. But if you place them all into one big pie as complimetary instead of contrary, you'll serve it up cold without source and you'll achieve what you I and eterum hunger for here.
But then I'm thirsty, so go ahead and continue while I drown this chared flesh in my hand and mouth with a bucket of thick red wine!
Or I could simply throw a bucket of icycold water over you all, but it seems to make no difference as the Nazi's and Jews are still wasting each other away for nothing more than ideology!


Jasper

with no respect for either side here!

God lovers ply:

I'll Built a tent,
and I'll take it on the road.
I'll bleed who meat,
becoming who's brown nose:
And for all who cares because
...because I won't!

Wouldn't it be nice?

PS: BOB....it will interest you, and that funny little creationist guised here as an evloutionist, that Evolution Theory is now offically pure bum fuff,......DEAD.........as 2 days ago HOBITT BOY was dug up in asia......BOOOOOOO.....Big Bang....God's dead too!
And if you don't read enough of the right source, two bad, then join em all in hell!

Now both learn how to attack without dead men talking about rituals!

The ground has move ladies and gents here IT is

Click,,,,, Take 2....camera's rolling.......party time?


Jasper

Dear Jasper

The Flores Man is dealt with under the heading As Predicted (by ME). It does not affect evolutionist theory one iota and it certainly doesn't fit the God created man in his own image if I recall that myth - either.

You might also look at a thread called Heidegger - Cybernetic Determinism if you wish to discuss Husserl's disciples like Merleau-Ponty.

And I do not think Lindsay is a creationist if that is who you were referring to. He has been able to grow as he gets older unlike many who are dead from the neck up.

Like I said Bob, 'dead mens' or live one's theories speaking through you neck up suggestion, do not interest my collar at all.... nor ever in the least. My journey has been travelled and ended as my own for my own and by myself of alone as I.
Your's is holding onto handchains with others in chains, while proffering thugery as your own within your own little chained mind only! So take that thing out of your hand, and the chain off your mind, and awake because you dreaming before my unchained I's!
I have told you of my very concrete reality, and I defiy all Gods and crush any who stand before me as fallacy, phallic, or snow flakes, as I am I...nothing? And they may take my life anytime if they feel they must must...it worries me not at all! In fact I'd welcome a good challenge if they the courage to face me I to I!
This dead monkey called HOBBIT just killed all adam's and eve's and their Gods along with his dead bones...genisis forfieted by proxy of fact for once, not biblical fiction! But you will see in time why your current masters are nothing more than the same misery which seeks to destroy this planet right now......but I've bigger shock for you very soon......Just watch my planet smoke you all off her back within I less than a score of years....unless you all clean up her act and stop the slaughter!
Remember the T.REX, as soon these mere Trojans will follow his dust....a plague of fact, not God!

This Pantheists collars holding hand, is now watching her reload and reset her aim to monkey viruses BOB...remember it's below and above she's be comming from both!




Jasper: the only accidental coincidence here

Dear Jasper

I really don't find this particular message of yours to be much more than gutter talk. I presume your reference to collar is a vague connection to a minister which Lindsay was - but that does not mean he (not a she) is an evolutionist and I really find this whole issue you have with how you got booted out of university for asking questions a little unlikely. They can make it tough on you at graduate level if you want to present a thesis on something against their POV - but no - you were not booted out for that. I always questioned teachers and was never booted out. And why try to present yourself as self taught to the degree you do anyway? Just let your reasoned arguments speak for themselves.