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Joesus
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The corollary of this is: Those who need to and want to WAKE UP are clever enough not to let the obscurants stop them. Look what happened to that "sleeping giant, China".

Speaking in terms of waking up, as in the soul/mind awakening to its Self awareness this analogy doesn't fit.
Joesus
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BTW, "egotist" that I am, I post in more than one forum. I have noticed that in every forum where I post my views and opinions they always attract some strong detractors who often express their outrage. I love it, when this happens. Doesn't every writer?

Yes those that need something from others feed off of the attention.

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The following is one small example. It is found in the topic, started by another poster, Tim, who starts a lot a topics and then says nothing. Interesting. The title is "Evidence for God"

After I made my usual appeal for people to be open to new words and ideas and the value of open-ended dialogue, this is what followed, from a poster with the appropriate initials DAM.
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Revlgk troll wrote:
"I am a great believer in the art of dialoguing" [quoting me]

Dialoguing is NOT a word. It is just more new-age woo-woo imbecility. And what you are posting is not science. [without one shred of evidence]

Rose ... please kill this thread ... all of it ... without mercy. This isn't science. This isn't even "not-quite science." This is a malignant troll.
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[And there was much more. However, this popular thread, with a large and growing number of clicks, is still there. I look forward to getting DAMed, often. My suggestion is--unless there is real substance--keep it brief, and impersonal--focuss on what I write, not on me.
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Recently, to make the point that even scientists are interested in spirituality, and in talking how science and religion can work together, I wrote as follows:

THE GREAT INVENTOR AND GENIUS, NICOLA TESLA
I forgot to mention the work of Nicola Tesla--the son of a Serbian Christian Orthodox priest.
http://www.pbs.org/tesla/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

He was a highly spiritual person, but not being a narrow Orthodox Christian, he struggled with the rather narrow idea of God as taught by his religion.

Keep in mind that polytheism, and later, monotheism, came about when even the wisest people believed the earth was a flat disc with heaven above and hell below. We need not blame them for this, if they really believed in a flat earth, but surely when the Christian monk, Copernicus brought new knowledge to the west he should have been honored, not censored and threatened with death by the knowledge Luddites? For over a hundred years knowledge was held back by the obscurants.

OBSCURANTISM
Ignorance is one thing, but willful ignorance, obscurantism--the active opposition to progress and and the spread of knowledge, is something else. It is, IMHO, a great evil.

COSMOTHEISM
Back to Tesla, interestingly, he finally came to the conclusion that what is needed is a combination of Christianity and Buddhism. Interestingly, Buddhists are non-theists. I think of them as cosmotheists. Yes, new ideas need new words.

BTW, Christianity is already a mixture of Judaism and Christianity. I would even add the positive forms of Islam, Sikhism and Brahmanism to the mix. IMHO, in all this orthopraxy is more important than orthodoxy.

JESUS ADVOCATED ORTHOPRAXY. That is he called us to loving actions, deeds not just creeds--follow me, he said. Perhaps this is why he never wrote a book. Books tend to make us fixed-position thinkers--" IT'S IN THE BOOK!!!! (BTW, I am not opposed to felxible creeds, nor books.)

He told stories, or parables, which are stories of actions. His parable of the Good Samaritan--who, BTW, was not a Jew--in Luke 10 is about orthopraxy. I love the last sentence of his teaching: "GO then, and DO the same!"

THAT ALL MAY BE ONE
The same kind of teaching is found in John 10 and 17:20-26. His basic prayer is that "all may be one"--he called on all humanity to act as one.

The over-all philosophical term for this approach is, pragmatism--the doing of that which is morally valuable and good--the kind that was advocated by the great Christian philosopher/psychologist William James, of Harvard.

One final thought: "The secret of true unity is the love of variety." Does anyone know who said it?
I am waiting for some DAM comments.


It's all about "YOU". The egoist needs validation from the outside and feeds off of attention.
Lindsay
Enki, et al: I trust you will understand me when I write as follows:
I find no value in dialoguing with posters who have so little of substance to say that they have to quote all of what IIIIIIII write, when they respond. laugh.gif

I want people to discuss the message. If anyone really wants to talk to me and about me--and I have had a long and interesting life--Let's do it in the "Introduce Yourself" section.

There, anyone may ask any question you want. Maybe I will go there and tell everyone about my love life, etc. It was all fun, and still is. And I am serious smile.gif
maximus242
People are always most intrested in themselves, want proof? Look at a group photo with you in the group, first person you will look at is yourself.

This is basic human psychology. I do not see this God as an authority unless I choose to give it the power to be one.
Enki
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Jan 20, 2007, 10:48 AM) *

I think morpheus put it best as "Some people arent ready to leave the matrix, waking them up could be dangerous"


You see how wise morpheus can be sometimes. smile.gif
Enki
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jan 20, 2007, 11:55 AM) *

God is not Democratic.


You want to say Jeosus, that the Great Old Democrat is not a Democrat, possibly you prefer German and not English variant Got = Great Old Tyrant, though Great Old Titan can be used as well? wink.gif He is Greatest Democrat ever known, he is not so Almighty as some try to present him (in a way many common people understand that), thus making him responsible for any crime and unjustice in this world.
Enki
You know, Republic of People under guidance of the Republic of Heavens & Other Places. smile.gif laugh.gif
Enki
QUOTE(Lindsay @ Jan 20, 2007, 12:30 PM) *

Enki, et al: I trust you will understand me when ...


You know, do not put me together with “et al”. It is apt to you what you write. But I am sure that the acme of human existence cannot be shaken only because some gentlemen want to illuminate mankind in accelerated mode because they eager to see the tales of the past to be realized during their lifetime.

The Matrix is on the watch Lindsay, do not forget about that. smile.gif
Lindsay
Enki, I have always wondered: Why do GOP Republicans--and Democrats--pray, "Thy kingdom come..." when they say the so-called "Lord's Prayer" laugh.gif

Which brings me to ask: "God, how do you vote?" smile.gif
Enki
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jan 20, 2007, 10:56 AM) *

This was why Jesus and other masters didn't carry file folders, weblinks, phd certificates, bibliographies or biographies to convince the sleeping ego they were awake and that they were here to awaken the sleeping ego.


Certainly, all the books are shelved on the shelves of the Invisible College and other Invisible Institutions, Hagward included. Lidsay suggests to Xerox them and spread freely to everybody. I think it is not a good idea.
Enki
QUOTE(Lindsay @ Jan 20, 2007, 01:36 PM) *

Enki, I have always wondered: Why do GOP Republicans--and Democrats--pray, "Thy kingdom come..." when they say the so-called "Lord's Prayer" laugh.gif

Which brings me to ask: "God, how do you vote?" smile.gif


I think he votes as equal. Maybe counts sometimes. smile.gif
Enki
I suggest to discard the topic discussion. OK?
Lindsay
And your reason for this suggestion?
Enki
Common Sense Lindsay.

I am unilaterally getting off from discussions in this topic.

And I am going to sleep. smile.gif
Lindsay
So you, voluntarily, chose to go back into sleep--HYPNOS smile.gif. --Well!! Things get, "curiouser, and curiouser"!!!!! laugh.gif
Joesus
QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 20, 2007, 09:19 PM) *

QUOTE(Joesus @ Jan 20, 2007, 11:55 AM) *

God is not Democratic.


You want to say Jeosus, that the Great Old Democrat is not a Democrat, possibly you prefer German and not English variant Got = Great Old Tyrant, though Great Old Titan can be used as well? wink.gif He is Greatest Democrat ever known, he is not so Almighty as some try to present him (in a way many common people understand that), thus making him responsible for any crime and unjustice in this world.

God is not an acronym....
Enki
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jan 20, 2007, 05:56 PM) *

QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 20, 2007, 09:19 PM) *

QUOTE(Joesus @ Jan 20, 2007, 11:55 AM) *

God is not Democratic.


You want to say Jeosus, that the Great Old Democrat is not a Democrat, possibly you prefer German and not English variant Got = Great Old Tyrant, though Great Old Titan can be used as well? wink.gif He is Greatest Democrat ever known, he is not so Almighty as some try to present him (in a way many common people understand that), thus making him responsible for any crime and unjustice in this world.

God is not an acronym....


How do you know that it is not so, I really wonder?
He scattered his keys all around the world.
God is an amassing creature, you know.
YHVH (YHWH, YHWA, YHVA, YGVA) is also an acronym and not necessarily in Hebrew. laugh.gif
It is a cool game Joesus , you know, try to find the God, can you?
You think God does not have sense of humor?
I guess that Satan (Selfish Archaic TyrANt (TitAN) or Sensitive Archaic TitAN) has sense of humor as well, like any proper cute Demon.
Joesus
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How do you know that it is not so, I really wonder?

I know why you wonder..
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He scattered his keys all around the world.
God is an amassing creature, you know.
YHVH (YHWH, YHWA, YHVA, YGVA) is also an acronym and not necessarily in Hebrew.
It is a cool game Joesus , you know, try to find the God, can you?


When you put God into terms of gender and into objects of perception the awareness fixes itself on objects of perception when you are trying to find God.

When the mind is anchored in the absolute the objects of perception translate symbolically for the purpose of instruction to those that are searching, but God is less of an object and more of the transition between objects or the potential that lies inbetween identifications of material manifestations or meanings and beliefs.
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You think God does not have sense of humor?
I think each individual perception creates humor from meanings of life.
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I guess that Satan (Selfish Archaic TyrANt (TitAN) or Sensitive Archaic TitAN) has sense of humor as well, like any proper cute Demon.

Satan also is a word for the ego. Ego gives humor meaning. God is neither laughs nor cries over humanity. Being that everything is supported in freedom of choice or that will is without limits in direction or opportunity you can chain any thought you wish into reality and call it what you want.
Enki
QUOTE(Joesus @ Jan 21, 2007, 10:55 AM) *

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How do you know that it is not so, I really wonder?


I know why you wonder..


Really? Quite interesting Joesus, quite interesting. May I know why? tongue.gif

QUOTE(Joesus @ Jan 21, 2007, 10:55 AM) *

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He scattered his keys all around the world.
God is an amassing creature, you know.
YHVH (YHWH, YHWA, YHVA, YGVA) is also an acronym and not necessarily in Hebrew.
It is a cool game Joesus , you know, try to find the God, can you?


When you put God into terms of gender and into objects of perception the awareness fixes itself on objects of perception when you are trying to find God.

When the mind is anchored in the absolute the objects of perception translate symbolically for the purpose of instruction to those that are searching, but God is less of an object and more of the transition between objects or the potential that lies inbetween identifications of material manifestations or meanings and beliefs.
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You think God does not have sense of humor?
I think each individual perception creates humor from meanings of life.


I do not put God into terms of gender neither I put him into objects of perception. I just do nothing, I just have objected your statement related with the Democracy & God in a quite amazing way.

I agree in many points with the statments of your second paragraph: "When the mind is anchored ...".
So I guess we are able to percept his sense of humor.

QUOTE(Joesus @ Jan 21, 2007, 10:55 AM) *

God is neither laughs nor cries over humanity. Being that everything is supported in freedom of choice or that will is without limits in direction or opportunity you can chain any thought you wish into reality and call it what you want.


I disagree with you, God laughs and cries over humanity from time to time. He should like to watch Disney cartoons, I am sure. Don’t you mind that I use word He and not He/She?

Even more, I guess he also drinks tea, plays into computer games and likes to eat ice-cream as well. You put God too far from humans Joesus. Not forget old Jewish wisdom: "God lives and walks among us."

I guess Satan and Others like to travel as well.
Joesus
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Really? Quite interesting Joesus, quite interesting. May I know why?

Of course!

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I just have objected your statement related with the Democracy & God in a quite amazing way.

You have objectified the statement in terms of your own individual flavor and perception. Being that god is not democratic or swayed by individual thought, in that it takes or gives more to any one idea or desire, all desires are fulfilled regardless of the terms in which they are objectified.

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I do not put God into terms of gender neither I put him into objects of perception. I just do nothing, I just have objected your statement related with the Democracy & God in a quite amazing way.

If I choose to accept you or not then you do or you do not.

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I disagree with you, God laughs and cries over humanity from time to time.

If I say God doesn't then God doesn't. Neither one of us is right or wrong.
Enki
Just look at this boy, he is a Sophist!

Your statements sound like "All is relative."
Enki
I will tell you Joesus one innovated cabalistic anecdote.

A Jewish rabbi teaches children the wisdom via case studies:

"So children one Great Jew -Moses said that all is from there," and points his hand at Sky,

"Another Great Jew -Solomon said that all is from here," and points his hand at his Head,

"Another Great Jew -Jesus said that all is from here," and points his hand at his Heart,

"Another Great Jew -Karl Marx said that all is from here," and points his hand at his Belly,

"Another Great Jew -Sigmund Freaud said that all is from here," and points his hand at his Reproduction organs.

But then children another Great Jew -Einstein said that All is Relative.

Let us on this funny wave close this topic.
Joesus
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Just look at this boy, he is a Sophist!

It's easy to point a finger and make a claim toward anything.

It is not the same as realizing thou art that.

That not being relative, but supporting all relative ideas.

Or

Neti Neti .. Not this Not that
Enki
Truth somewhere in-between.
Lindsay
QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 21, 2007, 11:59 AM) *

I will tell you Joesus one innovated cabalistic anecdote....
another Great Jew -Einstein said that All is Relative.
When I first heard this amusing anecdote, Enki, the question addressed was: What is truth?"

Until we human beings become infallible (like the Pope?), in my humble opinion, truth is relatively absolute; and/or absolutely relative. And, relatively speaking, for me, the search is as much fun as finding it. smile.gif

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Okay, I say we stick with the topic on self-hypnosis, start a new one on "what is truth, whatever", or take a rest. Or, if you are curious enough you are welcome to take a look at: Evidence For God at
http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthrea...17805#Post17805

It is always good to hear what others have to say.
Enki
Times are changing Lindsay. Different continents, different languages, truth mutates.
Lindsay
QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 22, 2007, 11:36 AM) *

Times are changing Lindsay. Different continents, different languages, truth mutates.
Relatively speaking, of course it does. smile.gif
Ignorance Is Eternal
Hello all

I hypnotised myself 3 times now using a script that I recorded myself saying. After the first two times using suggestion, I decided that I am too young to attempt to change some of the subconsious foundation I had set out to mould. So, the third time I hypnotised myself on the way to a cello recital (I usually become very, very anxious before them, and this was no exception), but this time I had set it to stop before the suggestions were proposed. I roused myself and was considerably more relaxed whilst my performance.


I find this lighter mode of hypnosis very helpful for anxiety, but I was wondering if there was a way to hypnotise myself more effectively so that I could suggest a calmer, more focused state while performing publicly.

Thanks,
Teddy.
Lindsay
What we say to ourselves in our inner-dialogue--taking care to avoid negative and hate-filled suggestions, which come from the negative and destructive emotions--can make all the difference.

It is, in my opinion, THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED.

Also in my opinion, we need to take the road BEST TRAVELED; it is called LOVE--that is, simply giving good will and respect to oneself and others, regardless of how we feel, emotionally.
maximus242
Inner Dialogue is extremly important, it is in essence, the conscious mind.
maximus242
QUOTE(Ignorance Is Eternal @ Jan 23, 2007, 08:40 PM) *

Hello all

I hypnotised myself 3 times now using a script that I recorded myself saying. After the first two times using suggestion, I decided that I am too young to attempt to change some of the subconsious foundation I had set out to mould. So, the third time I hypnotised myself on the way to a cello recital (I usually become very, very anxious before them, and this was no exception), but this time I had set it to stop before the suggestions were proposed. I roused myself and was considerably more relaxed whilst my performance.


I find this lighter mode of hypnosis very helpful for anxiety, but I was wondering if there was a way to hypnotise myself more effectively so that I could suggest a calmer, more focused state while performing publicly.

Thanks,
Teddy.


PM me the script and I will look it over, some scripts are good, some are bad.

Sounds like your just doing relaxation right now and not much hypnosis. As for relaxing before a public preformance, thats easy to do a suggestion for. Its the basics of the basics - you just anchor a suggestion along with the relaxed state.

All you have to do is hypnotise yourself and anchor something to a relaxed state but not a hypnotic one, then tada, before a preformance you will be relaxed. This is the basic fix, there is a better way where you dont feel anxious at all before any preformance, I wrote a script up for someone else on brainmeta that does this. That way you dont need to relax before every preformance because you will already be relaxed.

So many diffrent types and ways of hypnosis, but simpler and easier is always better, ive done LOTS and LOTS of self-hypnosis and I can tell you that the long ways can be good at the start but they become a pain in the ass. Why spend ten minutes doing an induction when you can spend 30 seconds.

------------Important Note from Maximus, you need to learn more about hypnosis theory, you should know that any sub-conscious changes you make can be changed back in a matter of seconds. Furthermore anchors last 3 months max, then you need to re-do it (it will probably last less than that). I seriously doubt you will be able to change the foundations of your sub-conscious mind, its hard enough for a beginner to just communicate. Seriously, dont worry about causing major changes to your sub-consious, it just aint gonna happen, takes a lot of work to accomplish something like that.---------------------------
Lindsay
Max, your post above reminds me of the old joke about the visitor to New York who asked someone in the lobby of his hotel--who happened to be a musician--"How do I get to Carnegie Hall?" The musician replied: "Practice. Lots of practice." smile.gif The same applies to getting the best out of working with the inner mind.

The great pianist, Rubenstein, was once asked by a reporter: "How much do you practice?" He responded: "At least three to four hours a day, everyday."

The reporter then asked: "What would happen if you missed three days?"
Rubenstein responded, "If I missed three days, my audience would notice; if I missed two days, my wife would notice, and if I missed one day, I would notice."

Yes, IMHO, our spiritual muscles need to exercised just like the physical and mental ones do.
Enki
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Jan 26, 2007, 06:00 PM) *

Seriously, dont worry about causing major changes to your sub-consious, it just aint gonna happen, takes a lot of work to accomplish something like that.---------------------------


Dear people who are eventually encountered with this topic!

Do not try to make self-hypnosis! Do not listen to those who advise you to use it. Do not confine your Free Will! It is very dangerous. You run danger of loosing your Free Will. It may damage your metal health. The reality is not well studied yet, there are quite many things not yet studied. Just trust your reason and your good will and apply them to regulate yourself, you also should sometimes trust Good God as well.

Remember, do not interfere into realms unknown for you, do not trust people who advise you to do so, they mislead you. Trust your common sense: do not experiment with your sub-consciousness!


Self- hypnosis is a very, very bad and dangerous thing!

If you are not a scientist in the field do not do any experiments!
Lindsay
Enki. I ask you, seriously :

Are you, absolutely, sure you know of which you write?

If so, please give us the concrete evidence, you have, to back up your claim. Or is it just your opinion????
Enki
QUOTE(Lindsay @ Jan 27, 2007, 08:14 PM) *

Enki. I ask you, seriously :

Are you, absolutely, sure you know of which you write?

If so, please give us the concrete evidence, you have, to back up your claim. Or is it just your opinion????


Any technique related with self-hypnosis, which did not pass official positive approval of scientific community world wide as a reliable and non-harmful for human mental state, cannot be recommended to common people to apply for "self-improvement". I am absolutely sure about what I write in that respect. They may test one of the recommendations and if it works they will start to trust other sources as well and will make series of experiments. Human curiosity has no limits. The consequences of those experiments are not predictable.

You know Lindsay, I have registered on this forum one day prior to the unfortunate death of the Patriarch of Alexandria to exemplify some specific aspects of the reality related with series of Unfortunate Events, but certainly not in a manner of a spider Ms. Charlotte Kovatic.

This subject is such that the "concrete evidence" provision is a rather complicated thing due to several factors. And definitely I will not provide any.

Besides I hope that my opinion will be taken for granted by respected readers. tongue.gif
Lindsay
More mild sarcasm, eh?
Enki
QUOTE(Lindsay @ Jan 31, 2007, 01:51 PM) *

More mild sarcasm, eh?


It is very sad indeed.
maximus242
Enki, either your incredibly ignorant or your joking. I think this is another joke though.
Lindsay
Right on, Max:
Recently, I sent the following to a lot of friends and to the media:
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Does this get your attention?
http://www.hypnotictapes.com/images/Spiral-Spin-revised.swf

Some of you have heard of my interest, over the years, and the work I
have done in understanding the role of pneumatherapy--that is,
self-hypnosis without the hocus pocus-- and how it can help us develop
a positive faith.
For more information, check this out:

The forum at http://www.scienceagogo.com is interesting
http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthrea...03c7c#Post17986

POINTS TO KEEP IN MIND :

1. Before you consult a hypnotherapist, make sure it is someone with a
good reputation and, perhaps, is recommended by your family doctor, or
other trustworthy professional.

2. Some MD's do hypnotherapy. I have known several. However, it not
necessary to be an MD to be a good hypnotherapist.

3. Doctors with good bed-side manners are practicing "hypnosis"
without calling it that. So are clergy who have the ability to inspire
people to have faith in God and themselves.

4. Hypnosis is not a substitute for necessary medical help.

5. What I call pneumatherapy is
a. self-hypnosis without the hocus pocus--
b. psychotherapy--using psychology and psychiatry, and
c. somatherapy--diet, surgery, physical medicines, and the like,
all need to work integratively.
Check out http://integrativemedicine.arizona.edu/index.html
With Harvard trained, Dr. Andrew Weil
7. Pneumatherapy can help us deal with addictions, including addiction to food.
8. problems with the autoimmune system
9. Media induced fear and panic
10. prejudice and fanaticism, etc.

Beware of stage-hypnosis. It can be harmful. So can stage
"faith" healing. I have written articles, for a Toronto paper,
exposing this danger.
Lindsay
4 WIDELY HELD MISCONCEPTIONS
ABOUT HYPNOSIS

1. Someone with a strong mind or will power is difficult to hypnotize. This is not true. You want to enter hypnosis. A strong mind or will power will help you do whatever you want to do.

2. You are unconscious while under hypnosis. This is not true. Most people describe it as feeling extremely relaxed or half awake and half asleep. And the deepest levels as a lucid dream.

3. You are put into hypnosis. This is not true. You are guided into hypnosis. You have to help by imagining the images as well as you pleasantly can.

4. Hypnosis is a constant state. This is not true. There are times when you are more aware and times when you are less aware. This is normal.
Enki
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Feb 03, 2007, 05:22 PM) *

Enki, either your incredibly ignorant or your joking. I think this is another joke though.


Yes indeed, I think Max that it is quite obvious that I am incredibly ignorant.
Hope you will enjoy company of very credible and aware people.
In our times jokes are hard to be discerned.

In order not to spread ignorance among so aware people I will prefer to depart into detached transcendence and permanently press space button to skip my turn. That will be quite interesting to observe what will come out of that.

I am sorry, but I am quite busy and will not be able in coming months to visit this forum, as well as any other forum. Definitely Kids have to propel on their own.

Good bye.
maximus242
Enki, its sooo hard to tell when you are joking. Maybe its just me, im trying to decern whether your mad, happy, philosophical or something inbetween. Im sorry but I honestly have a hard time telling.

Hypnosis has done more good than harm, self-hypnosis is not a danger, its black (as in what they do with hypnosis, not the color of their skin) hypnotists trying to use communication as persuasion and influence in a cult like manner.

Enki, I enjoy your opinions and I would sorely miss them, if you can spare the time to come on just one forum, do come on brainmeta.
Lindsay
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Feb 06, 2007, 04:45 PM) *

Enki, its sooo hard to tell when you are joking.
Max, you are SOOOOOO, right.

I also agree with you when you write: "Hypnosis has done more good than harm, self-hypnosis is not a danger...(problem occur when) hypnotists...use communication, as persuasion and influence, in a cult-like manner.

IMHO, it would be nice if we could take the monster-like word 'hypnosis' and retire it from use , if not bury it. 'Hypnosis' is the Greek for sleep. The trance experience is about waking up, fully, not about falling to sleep.

EVEN THE ONE WHO COINED THE WORD 'HYPNOSIS' TRIED TO CHANGE IT
I am sure that you are aware that this is precisely what Dr. James Braid--a British surgeon and a Scot who practiced in Manchester, England--had in mind and hoped to do. He tried, but failed, to change the word 'hypnotism' to 'monoideism'--the ability to keep ones mind focussed on one idea. Unfortunately, until now, popular usage won the day.
Lindsay
Dianah:As long as we keep in mind that it is all about coming AWAKE--to consciousness, I'm okay.

BTW, Dr. Franz Antoine Mesmber--he was a medical doctor--called it "animal magnetism". Those who were taught by him called it "mesmerism". Mesmer was driven out of Vienna by the religion and medical authorities--obscurants all. He took refuge in Paris and became famous when his methods, which worked for a lot of people, when, just before the French Revolution, he was investigated by a special royal
commission headed by the American ambassador to Paris, Benjamin Franklin.

The following site gives us more on the history of the concept:
http://www.danielolson.com/hypnosis/hypnosis_history.html

I am pleased with the interest there is in this subject. IMHO, it helps explain the power behind faith healing, at its best. I am not talking about the many frauds in the field. Any success they have, it seems, is purely accidental.

Keep in mind: I am not cynical about the power of a genuine and sincere faith, but faith does have its limitations, as I indicate below.

Years ago--in the 1970's--I wrote several columns, in a Toronto paper, and exposed some of the so-called "faith healers" who made fantastic claims. I followed up on people, with serious physical conditions, who claimed that they were healed at their services. Parents of a stone-deaf child---born with with no physical hearing mechanism--told me that they believed their son was "healed tonight". This and other cases I looked into proved false. A well-known Canadian journalist and author, Tom Harpur, who I know, had the same experience.

With the cooperation of a "healing team", from a local church, I actually set up an extensive experiment involving my own health problems--chronic conditions--and agreed to have the team "Pray with and for me". They assured me that if I did not have the faith, God would give me the faith I needed. "Meanwhile, our prayers will make up for any doubt you have."

The experiment went on for weeks. It did not work.

To make a long story short, quite awhile later, I had surgery, which did improve the problem, greatly. However it did not completely eliminate it. Science, too, has its limitations.

Question: If Benny Hinn, Peter Popoff, Pat Robertson and Oral Roberts, Jr., etc., have a direct line to God, how come they do not simply take this "magic" into a major hospital and empty it?

Who would waste time and money on medicare if healing was as simple as the faith healers say it is?
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