How can experimentation of drugs be seen as ignorance? Other than ignoring the goverments opinions and laws and finding out for yourself what something is like?

Stupidity is being ignorant to new experiences and ideas. Insanity, well if experimenting with drugs imakes you insane then im all up for it as the normality of society to me is insanity and anything has to be an improvement! Level 5 sounds like a person letting go of all they know and experiencing a new perception on life and inner being. Just because that level means going into a reality unknown doesnt mean your an addict! But what isnt understood in society is usually labelled as bad as the unknown is scary to the norm, and instantly rejected.

I dont think level 6 was ment to be classed as an overdose and death but if you think that death wont be an experience or a different perception then i think your in for a very big suprise as it will be the most amazing journey you will ever take on enlightenment and knowing.

Drugs can be used to alter your state of mind and conciousness in a positive way and used as an aid to find inner enlightenment if that is the reason they are being used. Like any substance there is the possibility that you can create an addiction or abuse it. I find if some one can have an experience which enables them to find inner understanding and enlightenment within themselves without disturbing anyone else then good for them. Society encourages substances like alcohol and tobacco which the house of commons found in a report last summer to be more addictive and harmful than ecstacy yet they create thier own law for us all to live by and thier own classes to put the drugs in which they created by seeing what happened to volunteers in clinical experiments and what thier experiences were. The classes of drug were determined as hallucagenics, opiates, stimulents etc according to how the clinical human guineapig was feeling. The goverment judged drugs and drug users and personally went completely out thier way to brainwash society into a negative attitude. On the other hand they see it is fine that we are brought up as children into a society where church and jesus and praying is part of the national curriculum and friday and saturday nights are spent binge drinking and getting out of control, usually in a negative way.

I have grown up with thier accepted ideals and legal highs and feel i have the right to chose what is right for me and that I should be able to make a choice of what i wish to do personally without being judged or classed as stupid or insane or labelled as a drug addict. I find that the opinions you express towards this thread to be very judgemental and even though you did drugs personally i dont think it gives you the right to judge them as being bad just because you didnt find enlightenment. I find the more intense the experience i have on drugs the more I get to learn about levels of conciousness and the more it alters my perceptions and senses the more I am able to discover new parts of myself and reality and better understanding of life.

There isnt enough research or proof that drugs can seriously damage your body or cause permenant brain damage but I am sure it isnt as bad as the result religion can have on society creating war and destruction.

I was born into this vessel called a body to experience existance through it and use all the senses it was cleverly equiped with to try and gain something from life on earth and understand me, myself and I.

I am not hurting anyone or forcing anyone to live by my example by doing what I do yet at the same time I am obeying laws and existing in a governed society. I dont think anyone has the right to say what is wrong and what is right this world should be as much mine as anyone elses to share and experience it, lets try and be open minded and make the world a place for our children to enjoy and live in with choice and freedom. and openmindedness to let them make thier own future.

Solartrinity

Based on levels of conscius awareness the waking state is a level of consciousness that has a subjective and objective point of reference. Such as brain activity, activity in the body, even at a cellular level. Compared to dreaming and sleeping there are differences that can be measured. In Sleeping the brain activity is different than dreaming, and in the waking state. In Deep sleep the body begins to release stress which stimulates activity in the mind at subtle levels because the mind and body work together as a unit.

There are other states of consciousness which are spoken of in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali.
In these higher states of consciousness the body and mind work differently in respect to the surrounding than in the waking state.
For example meditation is used by some to escape stress, to try and quiet the mind and forget what the mind experiences under stress during the day. The mind reacts to outsides stimuli based on experiences of the past.
The senses may pick up a smell that is associated with something that was remembered as a bad experience and the mind reacts by bringing the experience to the surface of the mind. The body reacts just as it did during the remembered event.
When stress builds up in the nervous system the mind reacts more often and as it reacts to stress, blood and oxygen are diverted from the internal organs to the muscles to prepare the body for fight of flight.
Most live on the edge of this reactionary state who have no greater experience of themselves as they pile up illusions of reality that is based on a threatening world that is not safe to live in. Stress creates disease and hastens physical aging and death

In the traditional teachings of enlightenment this waking state of reactionary behavior is called a state of ignorance. When the body and the mind react to sensory imput that is based on the past. This state of awareness ignores the reality of the present moment and the relationship of the mind and body to the soul.

In this state of awareness the mind is associated with external manifestations as the reason for all thought feeling and action when in truth reactionary behavior is habitual and instigated by the choices we make to associate reality with ourselves as being victim to circumstance and experience, when in fact experience is created by our awareness of reality and the nature of our knowledge of awareness.

Experimenting with an external agent ignores the reality that some things we seek to escape from are created from the ignoring of who we are and what we are capable of creating in physical experience simply by intention. Belief in who we are affects the experiences of living.


Stupidity is doing something over and over again achieving the same results and thinking something different is going to happen.

Anything? How about nailing your labia to the floor, and then trying to touch the ceiling?
If you know something creates stress and suffering and you do it anyway that is insanity.
Again if you are in a state of ingoring reality because you have chosen to accept reality as it has been presented to you by a host of people who are resting under a headstone and who have themselves never changed their way of thinking then you may or may not learn about the self by doing things that are destructive to your nervous system. There are greater choices to be made, and more than a few that can lead you into greater experience of yourself without being harmful to the nervous system.


"Death is only the beginning" An interesting segue to greater experience, but traditionally it refers to death of ignorance rather than physical death. Traditionally speaking in terms of enlightenment, if the mind does not ascend its attachment to the belief in the physical world it comes back into a physical experience until it gets a taste of reality and lets go of its beliefs.


The most postive way is to come to the conclusion that any altered state can be reached without the use of drugs.
People become attached to the idea that they can't do something without the aid of something and so it may seem realistic to use a drug to do what you believe you can't do naturally but then as you believe it takes something outside of yourself to get something done, you then distance yourself from your own potential, rather than come closer to realizing it as a natural occurance.

Drugs may temporarily break the veil of illusions but they can also create more illusions and form scars on the psyche which limit the natural ability to break through the veils of illusion on your own. The more drugs the deeper the scars and the longer it may take to remove the stress from the nervous system so that you can experience the potential without an aid of some kind.


Tobacco and alchohol companies and their addicts protect their desire to feed their addictions to chemical substances and the addiction to money, but society on whole does not encourage the use of drugs.
I seriously doubt your parents encouraged you to take up smoking and drinking. The fact that they themselves might have been addicted is not an act of encouragement. That idea is just plain irresponsible.


The only way you are going to be free of any perception judgment is if you aren't affected by anyone elses opinion. I can suggest three approaches to this that are commonly used.
1. Take some sort of chemical substance to alter your perception of reality so that you can't feel your feelings or notice what is happening around you.
2. Grow beyond the need to be affected by any outside source such as people or drugs and achieve enlightenment.
3. Commit Suicide and achieve the state of nirvana you are suggesting as an enlightened state of experience.


I don't judge anyone for taking drugs. You missed the point. I took drugs and didn't find enlightenment. I stopped taking drugs and enlightenment found me.


How many drugs does it take to get where you want to be?
You might want to ask yourself why you can't get there without drugs. It might open up a whole different approach to life.


Then embrace the judgment, pain , suffering, war, disease, addiction, hatred, sloth, religion, greed, segregation of species and race, destruction of mind and body and the universe... These are all the things your senses can experience and there is much much more within the relative boundaries of the body and all of its domain.

Be careful what you ask for.

I'm open minded enough to watch you go through all of it as you so choose to believe in all of it.

When you want to find another way, you might stop ignoring the reality of who or what you really are.

Everything you perceive is a reflection of what is held inside of you as reality, but you're not limited to those choices based on the collection of experiences of your past.


Oh and by the way, the scale was made up to point out the fact that there is no real measurement for a cosmic experience either on drugs or naturally.
The whole Salvia Meter thing comes from someones imagination and personal design.
No two people taking the same drug is going to have the same exact experience. Even Identical twins don't share the exact same choice and experience of living.

Can i say that was quite a harsh response! Would you really suggest that i commit suicide? I am in no rush to experience death what so ever i am mearly trying to explain that it is a level of awareness to be realised as a major transition of ourselves into the next world. I am not sure where your coming from with nailing my penis to the floor? I am actually a female and wouldnt want to do that even if i did have a penis! When i said i would prefer to be seen as insane for experimenting with different experience of reality by trying drugs than live in the normal society around us which seems like a flock of sheep content in thier ignorance to watch eastenders and not even think about any type of self discovery I certainly didnt mean it to come across as I cant live in reality without being drugged up. I wanted to say that not knowing who i was or spending time discovering a way forward spiritually would to me be insanity. It may have taken mushrooms to have opened up my perceptions and show me there is a higher state of consiousness but I dont feel I need to take drugs every time I want to go on a voyage of self awareness or to accept who i am or remember how to feel one with myself. I have looked at various religons and beliefs and taken on my own religeon and beliefs and my own ways of meditation and tuning into my inner energys as well as using drugs on various occassions.
Please dont suggest that I have parents who were addicts of any sort or irresponsible in thier upbringing as I feel that is quite personal and not relevent to be brought into this conversation, how can you assume i even had parents about or a bad upbringing. It has no encouragement on my desision to experiment with drugs whatsoever.

My comment of the fact i should be able to make my own choices without being judged by others was true, the fact i would like the freedom to do as i want without hurting anyone else is a freedom we should all be able to experience. I am not going to lie awake at nightime worrying about being looked down on for my beliefs and the 3 commonly used approaches you suggested I didnt quite understand

1. take loads of chemicals to feel numb to others judgement and feel disorientated. Is not using drugs in a positive way at all I took drugs to feel my feelings and awareness of being,

2, Growing beyond the need to be affected by people or drugs.
I feel i have realised that I am capeable of making my own mind up without influences of other peoples opinions and I can find enlightenment without drugs everytime.

3. Commit suicide to experience death and transition to another dimension.
I would never suggest that someone kill themselves to deal with the fact they dont agree with other peoples opinions of them do you really feel that was a good suggestion to tell someone that a killing yoursekf is a commonly used approach to dealing with a negative challenge in life? I dont know where your head was with that one! I would be trying to give a person encouragement to be strong and stand up for thier beliefs and do what they feel is right for themselves the last thing i would suggest is ending existence on this planet.

I am so glad that you found enlightenment in some way, I hope you will feel the same gladness for me as i found my enlightenment in another way.

I can see and feel the hurt and war in the world, the evil of some peoples cruelty to thier own species as well as experience the most amazing feeling of love from my husband and watching my children being born into my arms and experience growing and producing life . I love and care for my family and hope to bring them up safely and with encouragement to be proud to be individual and to try to live how they feel brings them enlightenment and in balance with the rest of the world. I am far from the drug addict hiding from what i dont want to admit is happening.

Emma
Solartrinity

Your posting is almost exclusively on a general drug theme rather than focused on Salvia - the topic - so I'll respond in the same vein (pun intended).

I'm not going to waste time listing the thousands of scientific and medical papers indicating the side-effects of drugs (prescription and other). Suffice it to say that all (non-brain dead) scientists and clinicians, and many users agree that there are serious potential side-effects from most illegal/illicit/recreational drugs. See here for some ideas of how you can make your life (or death) more exciting if you are suicidal, terminally ill or just plain thick: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/351472.stm.

I would say it was a response fitting the mindset of your post.


No and I wouldn't suggest you take drugs either.


You're familiarity with death fascinates me.


I did change penis to labia after I read another post of yours explaining that you were penis-less and before you posted this response but you're not keeping up.

I never said you did but I responded in kind to your projections of my intent in designing my own meter to counter the Salvia (How stoned can you get) meter.


Higher states of consciousness are not temporary altered states created by chemical manipulation that isn't permanent.

I did that myself until I realized I couldn't do it on my own. The Ego never asks for help.


I assumed nothing, I simply met your comment at the same level of thought you insisted was real.

I didn't suggest you do either only that they are approaches commonly used by people who use the same rationale as you did in suggesting society encourages people to smoke and drink.


If you experience enlightenment then you also realize these events and experiences come from the same origin. These things happen because people draw the experiences into their lives. People are creators yet they believe they are victims.

Does the love you share include sharing ideas such as taking drugs to expand awareness. At what age would you suggest your children consider experimenting with drugs to expand their experience of themselves?

I dont understand why you are suggesting that i want to be suicidal, terminally ill or thick?

And regarding side effects, every drug as you state, including the prescription and legal ones indicate side effects, every leaflet you get with a drug warns you there could be side effects, from the contraception pill to athletes foot powder, the side of a packet of cigarettes etc etc most things in life come with some sort of side effect or risk. I am sure that taking a small amount of recreational and illegal drugs through ones own desicion isnt going to put me at deaths door, I got the information from my doctor about proof of permenant brain damage in human beings or organ damage as studies on humans havent been completed over a long enough length of time to prove it to be the case.

If you took drugs often at a rate of an addict I would say that you are on a downwards spiral into bad health, mentally and physically and definately spiritually. That is not the path i have taken all i have done is say that i have done some drugs in my life and had some positive experiences on them and actually, enjoyed the whole experience if that is classed as so bad and against all that this site stands for then i must have read the reason for the forum to express your opinions and experiences freely wrongly. I feel i am going to be tied to a steak and burnt next! thats after you have got me to nail myself to a floor and have all pursuaded me the usual solution is to commit suicide.

Any body else want to suggest any other laws or rules i have broken by expressing an opinion?
Or any good quotes from a few fortune cookies about truth not existing without existance etc etc?

Speaking of which isnt it in the bible in ezekiel that god says i give you all the seed bearing plants on earth to use? I am sure he wasnt on about a tomatoe plant crop.

if some have given negative responses, it is likely due to their experience. The question of whether to experiment or not is a personal one. You have your own reasons. But what you do not want is a few years down the road wishing you had not experimented in such a haphazard or blind manner. No matter how much you try to educate yourself on experimentation, everyone reacts differently and in often complex ways, with the result being that every experiment is a crap shot. You may get lucky, you may get very unlucky, but ultimately it's a gamble. I see nothing wrong with it, so long as you know what you're in for, experiment responsibly, and accept all the consequences. The best thing to do is be completely in tune with yourself, being on the lookout for any adverse effects and having the self-control to stop if you detect any. Oftentimes, adverse effects do not make their appearance until weeks or months later, which makes it difficult to know when to stop. The best thing, in this case, is moderation. Never do too much at once or you will likely regret it down the road.

Sometimes we need to awaken something deep inside of us, in order to see with new eyes and new perspectives. Drugs have the ability to do this, but it is a very risky business.

But that's not to say risk is bad. In fact, I regard such self-experimentation as a sort of rite of passage. It might not be for everyone, but for some, they should go through the fire and will benefit from it so long as they do not get consumed by the flames.



Needless to say, I would advise against any questionable or extreme experimentation as you play the role of responsible parent because, if you screw up, then it's not just you who will be effected, but your children as well. You need to weigh the risks very carefully.

For other people contributing to this thread, if you have experimented and would advise not to, then it would be good to hear the precise reasons, as well as a reason why you should not be regarded as a hypocrite. If you have not experimented and advise not to, then it would be good to hear why you think you are qualified to offer opinions on matters you have no direct experience of.

not if the external agent is used to awaken parts of us that otherwise would remain asleep. For many people, self-experimentation is not about escapism, it's about wanting to become more aware and more able, unless you consider it escapism from a lower self to a higher self, in which case all movement to higher levels of consciousness is escapism from lower levels of consciousness.

From one perspective, we all live in a prison of our mind. Yes, this sounds terrible but it's true. This applies to everyone, including people who live great lives and are entirely content. They are still living in a prison, whether they recognize it or not. This prison is biologically-based, and as such, drugs which alter and effect the biological machine can often be used to our advantage. To think that we can just will our way into arbitrarily higher levels consciousness is naive. Tell that to the person with mental disability. Such beliefs have limited utility. Yes, what we focus on grows, but this growth is limited by our focus, and our focus is biologically-based; hence, you cannot escape the biological determinism which underscores our mental life. If you hope to enhance mental life, then you must have recourse to the underlying biological mechanism/implementation or else you are not going to get as far as you otherwise could.




sort of like any state on the continental US can be reached by walking, without the use of motor vehicles? I guess you are against depressed people taking SSRI's, too, since they can will themselves happy? And I guess you're also against schizophrenics or manics taking lithium since they can be normal without drugs, right? And those people with Alzheimer's disease, they don't need cholinesterase inhibitors or other cognition enhancing drugs, they just need to focus more, right? And those darn Parkinson's disease patients, we don't need to give them any drugs, we just need to tell them that any mental state can be reached without the use of drugs! My goodness Joesus, you've come up with a universal cure for mental maladies! You deserve a Nobel prize!

Seriously, are you a closet Scientologist?

I am a responsible parent and I do not drink or do drugs in the presence of my children, or whilst my children are in my care and supervision in the house. On the very rare occasion that i want to get high or enjoy a bottle or 2 of wine then they are looked after by very capeable grandparents at thier house. I would never encourage my children to partake in any substances and would certainly discourage them from smoking and not smoke in thier presence. I love my children and I am very proud of the parenting my husband and I do. I have 7mth twins and also a lad who is 7.

"Higher states of consciousness are not temporary altered states created by chemical manipulation that isn't permanent"

Why do you feel as if i have cheated by using chemicals to find enlightenment? Any enlightenment i have discovered through experimentation of drugs is still enlightenment and i am sure i will continue to find other higher states of conciousness still with out drugs just the same. Everyone learns who they are and higher consiousness at different paces, it isnt a race and if we go on to exist eternally then i am certainly happy to be patient for the answers to come in thier own time.

I did that myself until I realized I couldn't do it on my own. The Ego never asks for help.

I think if you cant find your own beliefs and listen to what your heart and soul tell what truly feels the right way for you then maybe you havent figured who you really are or havent accepted parts of yourself yet or what direction to take to find your higher self. You cannot learn to embrace any other understanding of life until you know and accept who you are yourself? Thats how i found it to be for myself.How can you love or trust anything else in life if you do not know love and trust for yourself.

I dont claim that may be the case for you as everyone finds themselves in different ways I just know I have looked at other religeons and ideas and asked for help and guidance from within myself it has been a long journey to know who I am and accept myself for my faults as well as my qualitys, i accept my mistakes and wrong desisions. I think acceptance of who you are is the key to understanding.

Please dont think i am being judgemental or acting like I am an expert on enlightenment, I am far from either. I am just sharing my views and opinions.

Have you ever thought that by using chemicals to change the biochemistry of your brain, the enlightenment you experience is no longer experienced by YOU, for YOU have changed. To achieve enlightenment of your true self should be an objective. And that might not have so many potential side effects! ()

I have found myself in a fairly unique situation, where I have spent the last 12 years or so experimenting with substances like DMT/Mescaline/2-CB/LSD/Mushrooms. I then also stopped the experimentation and spent two years as a monk (in Nepal) in silence, The effects of the meditation and silence was phenomenal and at times really frightening. I would not choose one of these experiences over the other, Both have brought benefits that I would not have had before.

I dont know much about biochemistry so i find it hard to comment on the changes there by using chemicals to alter my conciousness to a different level, all I can say is that I found the use of hallucagenics helped me see a larger view of the world and perception that i hadnt been able to see before as i didnt know it existed. The chemicals opened doors and pathways in my brain that gave me intuition and insight, so yes i supppose it changed me as me but i know I didnt dissapear and a new personality slip into my head. I still feel like Emma and I feel peace in myself still along with a deeper understanding and a deeper intuition. Maybe you can explain biochemistry and what really using hallucagenics achieves if it isnt inlightenment. I would be very interested in how you achieve enlightenment and give me an insight into how you felt when you experienced it. It is a very personal experience and the day I am having on the board Im starting to wonder if its worth trying to explain for fear of being seen as being deluded.

I know shamanism and history of religeon have used chemicals to reach enlightenment and go on inner journeys of discovery is it so wrong to have done this ?

I would be very interested to hear other peoples stories of self discover and experiences for a change.

emma
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I have never had such a burst of passion and reinvigorated spirit than when I saw a brief glimpse of what I percieved was the truth. The experience was one I was incapable of conveying in any way i tried, but it gave me the curiosity and passion to get through hundreds of dry books/topics and diverse cultural histories. I've probably spent the last 6-8 months doing more personal research than I have since I left school 12 years ago. Meditating, reading books on religion and science, learning ancient languages (Heiroglyphs), starting a computer and mathematical science degree and becoming extremely passionate about spirituality (not religion).

All of this from a single, small dose of LSD. Was it worth the "risk"? Damn right.

I'm very interested in the experience of Joesus:
What experiences have you had and what with?
How many?
What made you stop it?
When and how did you find your version of enlightenment?

Emma:
I was intrigued by peoples opinion of how you should raise children. Since it would have diverted this thread somewhat, I posted in a new topic. You might be interested in taking a look.
http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16642

Your views and opinions are important. Don't take things so seriously - sometimes short and sharp replies just reflect the medium we are using and not the attitude of the person posting (see my signature).

But the biochemical changes are important to understand. There are lots of links on the web to explain the biochemistry starting at an elementary level. I recommend that you have a look at some of these as a prelude to examining the ways that drugs work, or at least appreciating how complex many of the mechanisms are and hence how dicy it can be playing about with the pathways.

The experiences people can have are varied and often unpredictable, but one thing is certain: many of the experiences are meaningless in terms of the actuality of what you experience. For example, what is the enlightenment you experience? A better appreciation of God? Well, how do you know that your experiences are anything to do with God, anymore than a schizophrenic hearing voices hears actual voices, whilst non-schizophrenics around him/her hear nothing. What is reality? Yes, BIG questions arise from this interference with "normal" brain chemistry. (And don't start getting philosophical about the semantics some of you observers).

So what is it that you experience, how meaningful is it and where does it take you. If you feel satisfied in some way, fine. But why stop with drugs. Why not try some electricity, or bungee jumping, flatlining (I'm not serious)? How about lucid dreaming?

Have a good time here, but explore the science behind the experience: it's both frightening and fascinating!

No, but I am aware that certain things happen for a reason and I'm not against the desire to free ourselves from suffering of any kind.
Lets just say that what we create within the prison walls of our mind are not often seen as a motivation to create something different by freeing the mind from the prison walls we created naturally and for a reason.
To curcumvent a process that is necessary for growth to get where you think you should be when your not there is a best guess not a certainty.

Without being dramatic about the pros and cons of this and that, I see the benefit of understanding our relationship between mind and body/world.
If you create a medical remedy for aging and give it to a buch of stupid people then you have a bunch of stupid people who live for a long time, but if you lead a bunch of stupid people to greater understanding, then they may improve their lives by understanding the mind/body relationship extending their lives enhancing their lives and enhancing the world around them making it a better place for all.

Krisnamurti was one who was born in an exalted state of mind, an enlightened state of mind but without having lived in ignorance he couldn't help anyone trace a path to enlightenment and he didn't grasp their ignorance. Enlightenment is not a cure for the lack of understanding and knowledge if it doesn't encompass all knowledge, and not all states of consciousness that are called enlightenment are lived from omniscience.

My comments on the taking of drugs to reach altered states of consciousness is based on my own experience. The best Trip I ever had with LSD was at a party on Orcas Island in the San Juan Islands on July 4th 1976. The party was called the Orcas Orgasm and with the help of some Labratory LSD I had the most exalted experience of my life. Unfortunately I was unable to do anything normal while under the influence in any manner that I was used to because the world kept changing around me. I was having conversations with a buddy of mine and neither of us spoke a word. We both remembered the conversation afterward but couldn't repeat the experience.

Altered states under chemical influence are random and inconsistent.
Treating depression or schizophrenia with drugs is not a cure, it is a process of using medication to achieve results that have to be monitored and re-evaluated on a regular basis.

I think its great that everyone sees the potential for greater experience of life and nothing is going to change the way people approach the desire. Experience is a great teacher yet there are certain things that don't have to be reinvented, but no one is going to listen to the voice of reason if they are fighting for the right to discover something for themselves.
Take Solartinity as an example, she claims to be a good parent but the life she leads in experimentation is the need for self expression, and a dual life. As long as she maintains that mindset it will be passed on to her children and they are likely to have the same desire as she did to be free from what anyone else thinks and to do what they will according to their own way of thinking, regardless of what anyone else thinks. They may decide to be her children while they are around the house but like their mother leave the home to be something else, take drugs, have sex and all without her knowledge.

The desire to be free is a great desire if you believe you aren't free, but the real desire is for fulfillment and no drug is going to give you lasting fulfillment. It may give you an exprience but all the experiences in the world do not set you free if you are still looking for more experiences to get more freedom, especially if you have to return to the mundane world after you come down from the altered state.

Emma. Your altered states are not higher states of consciousness. You are still living in a dream world of duality where you are still trying to find yourself by amassing enough experiences to make a determination of who you are.
Each time you get high and have a great experience you think you get closer to who you really are but you still remain in the same place dreaming of the ideal place and creating illusions in systems of self measure, like the salvia trip meter.
The Ego believes it can measure itself and its enlightenment.

Yeah Dammit! Do what you gotta do, and if your heart tells you everyone else is f****d up then F**K everyone else..and tell your kids too.

[Edited for bad language - Hey Hey]

Well I'd say when you get over the idea that the world is against you, you'll be able to understand what I really said.

So what comes next is going to be based on your ability to comprehend using a bit more of your left hemisphere of the brain rather than mostly your right.

You haven't roused anyone to jeolousy. Why would you think that, as opposed to thinking that people simply hold different opinions and values from you? If you saw a homeless heroin addict on the street and admonished him to get his life back together, do you think the homeless heroin addict is correct in thinking that the person is jealous of their situation? Of course you're not a homeless heroin addict, but the assumption that people who disagree with you are jealous, as opposed to holding legitimate contrary viewpoints, is the same assumption in your case as in the homeless heroin addict's case.



I'm glad to hear that. About the drama, I was trying to bring some to the conversation but you didn't bite. But it looks like other parts of this thread are providing sources for drama.

Dianah, is there an animus between you and Joesus, and if so, what's the cause?

Hi, and welcome Solartrinity. Please do as Hey Hey says. I say so from my personal experience. I came here with a, what anyone else would have considered a delusional story. I had a lucid-dream or vision, whichever you want to call it, culmination of a 24-year quest. And I knew I had to share it with someone. But I wasn't sure with whom. Because I knew that nobody I knew would be remotely interested in such far-fetched story. But I had to share it because I considered that it was important. And that I couldn't, shouldn't keep it to myself. Lo and beholf I found BM through Google. And, would you beleive it, this simple layman that I am, found a receptive audience amongst these veteran scientists and artists! They took me in, and made me feel right at home.
And that's the beauty of BM. This is a very special bunch of people. A very unique bunch of like-minds, from all walks of life, who share one main common denominator: Our interest in the mysteries of the mind and it's true potential; which we haven't even remotely started to tap into yet, I might add.

No problems from my camp Emma. I am cool and clever too, its official! *psst, not sure about these other guys haha*

Peace and fun.

Nice recovery, felt that left hemisphere kick in.

I was having a bad day and having a bit of a mania, you may find i actually looked at come brains today and nervous systems . Aparently they can take photos of your brain with special equipment so that you can see what damage you have and they can look at thend results and see what mental ill ness you have.

If they took a photo of my brain I think all they would get is a negative ( ).

I've been to level 4, looking forward to level 5. Does anyone have similar scales for other drugs?
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dont go any farther! trust me

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I've been to level 4, looking forward to level 5. Does anyone have similar scales for other drugs?
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dont go any farther! trust me
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PiHKAL has a scale. You can read through the text online free--I think you will enjoy it.