Paranoia strikes deep.
Control is a degenerative disease.
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cowardice hides well in anonymity
great, so everyone's resorted to name calling now!
some of us are just resorting to calling for names! 
Ha ha, like it Dan 
Just been thinking some more about rhymers mountain example, and how it relates to schroedingers' quantum theories. I know a mountain a huge thing no a single particle but is it possible that it did not exist before anyone observed it. The idea "mountain" may have preceded the actuality!
Looking at a recent event, the discovery of Sedna. Did anyone know that existed before it was observed, or was the observation the creation? certainly its absence had no effect on our lives that has now been filled. Unless you are an astrologer, and your work now comes under question again, ha ha, explain that one boys! the discovery of a tenth planet means nothing to me. So i don't see why we could not just have imagined it into existence. Infact that is exactly what we have done because we can't just pop to the edge of the solar system to see for ourselves!
Just been thinking some more about rhymers mountain example, and how it relates to schroedingers' quantum theories. I know a mountain a huge thing no a single particle but is it possible that it did not exist before anyone observed it. The idea "mountain" may have preceded the actuality!
Looking at a recent event, the discovery of Sedna. Did anyone know that existed before it was observed, or was the observation the creation? certainly its absence had no effect on our lives that has now been filled. Unless you are an astrologer, and your work now comes under question again, ha ha, explain that one boys! the discovery of a tenth planet means nothing to me. So i don't see why we could not just have imagined it into existence. Infact that is exactly what we have done because we can't just pop to the edge of the solar system to see for ourselves!
| QUOTE (Dan @ Mar 24, 11:28 PM) |
| cowardice hides well in anonymity |
Dan, are there thoughts that you'd post anonymously that you wouldn't otherwise post? If so, then you're being somewhat hypocritical. If not, then either you're lying or don't have any such thoughts worth posting anonymously. In either case, what it comes down to is whether we wish to introduce a personal element into our posts. If we wish to communicate a thought and nothing more, then there is no reason why we should associate our personal identity with it, as personal identity is superfluous, unless you're an egomaniac.
So which one are you, an egomaniac or a hypocrite?
wow guest there's no need to be so harsh 
Dan was making a fair point, if you want to introduce an element of argument into the forum you have to be able to stand up for what you say. How can you do that if you don't even admit that it's you who has these or those beliefs? The only reason for not admitting your identity, even if it's just a nickname [funnily enough Tabula_rasa isn't my real name 
] as far as I'm concerned is guilt over your beliefs. If you believe something and I disagree with it that's fine, I wont take it personally. But don't go around posting things you don't want to be held responsible for, it's childish and thoroughly pointless.
The argument started because of my comment WHICH WAS A JOKE!!! Maths has been used in philosophical debate for hundreds, if not thousands of years. So I'm sorry if Rhymer thought I had typed something offensive, but I didn't mean it that way and that's where the issue ends.
Ok again we're back on track, I see what your saying rhymer, it's like if a tree falls in a forest and there's no one there etc, BUT the kind of thruths we were discussing were the fundamentals [God and truth] not the reality of an objects existence.
Dan was making a fair point, if you want to introduce an element of argument into the forum you have to be able to stand up for what you say. How can you do that if you don't even admit that it's you who has these or those beliefs? The only reason for not admitting your identity, even if it's just a nickname [funnily enough Tabula_rasa isn't my real name ] as far as I'm concerned is guilt over your beliefs. If you believe something and I disagree with it that's fine, I wont take it personally. But don't go around posting things you don't want to be held responsible for, it's childish and thoroughly pointless. The argument started because of my comment WHICH WAS A JOKE!!! Maths has been used in philosophical debate for hundreds, if not thousands of years. So I'm sorry if Rhymer thought I had typed something offensive, but I didn't mean it that way and that's where the issue ends.
Ok again we're back on track, I see what your saying rhymer, it's like if a tree falls in a forest and there's no one there etc, BUT the kind of thruths we were discussing were the fundamentals [God and truth] not the reality of an objects existence.
I think paranoia can go either way.
Anonymity sparks interest or fear.
One can easily create justification for any opinion.
We all know how everyone feels about opinions.
So without any fear of opposing opinion one can easily pick and choose as they will to accept their choices without feeling co-dependant or defensive.
We all get our lessons to see what is able to push the buttons of judgment and fear.
Anonymity sparks interest or fear.
One can easily create justification for any opinion.
We all know how everyone feels about opinions.
So without any fear of opposing opinion one can easily pick and choose as they will to accept their choices without feeling co-dependant or defensive.
We all get our lessons to see what is able to push the buttons of judgment and fear.
The only reason I asked our guests to become members was so that I could refer to different names rather 'Guest' which could be any one of several authors. I guess I am a bit lazy when it comes to using the 'quotes' facility!
Another reason, I suppose, is that it is easier for a reader to build a 'picture' of a colleague when one has a 'handle' [and different ones].
We are all anonymous anyway, but nonetheless we all deserve respect for our views, believes and truths. But then words can hurt, just as much as a punch sometimes.
To my mind we are each entitled to our own views. I get concerned when views are stated as if they apply to everybody, ie., as if they are truth for everybody. And, no doubt I do this sometimes! Please pull me up if I do so offend.
Another reason, I suppose, is that it is easier for a reader to build a 'picture' of a colleague when one has a 'handle' [and different ones].
We are all anonymous anyway, but nonetheless we all deserve respect for our views, believes and truths. But then words can hurt, just as much as a punch sometimes.
To my mind we are each entitled to our own views. I get concerned when views are stated as if they apply to everybody, ie., as if they are truth for everybody. And, no doubt I do this sometimes! Please pull me up if I do so offend.
No one climbs into the mind to create the reaction to action. Words can only hurt if they resonate with some kind of truth/belief within ones self. The illusions of reality are those that case one pain and not another. Then the truths become personal.
In order to really get along one would have to rise above personal beliefs to allow all beliefs to exist in union and harmony.
You don't have to like anything but to free yourself from the pains of personal perception and projection you have to remain objective.
I knew a girl who stood up in the middle of a play and screamed at the actor who was playing victim to the aggressor, "Look out he's coming to get you!!" She got so involved in the play she forgot where she was.
People have a tendency to make everything personal because they fear pain, and then try to protect themselves when the slightest bit of stimuli aggravates that fear, and then they project.
Being co-dependant is not an advantage, so it would be advantageous to remain neutral when someone expresses their feelings so that you can help when someone asks for help. Otherwise trying to change the winds of changing emotions becomes a fruitless task if you are spinning in the changes.
In order to really get along one would have to rise above personal beliefs to allow all beliefs to exist in union and harmony.
You don't have to like anything but to free yourself from the pains of personal perception and projection you have to remain objective.
I knew a girl who stood up in the middle of a play and screamed at the actor who was playing victim to the aggressor, "Look out he's coming to get you!!" She got so involved in the play she forgot where she was.
People have a tendency to make everything personal because they fear pain, and then try to protect themselves when the slightest bit of stimuli aggravates that fear, and then they project.
Being co-dependant is not an advantage, so it would be advantageous to remain neutral when someone expresses their feelings so that you can help when someone asks for help. Otherwise trying to change the winds of changing emotions becomes a fruitless task if you are spinning in the changes.
Joe + Stick = beating!
have some sympathy for us lesser mortals joe, relate to us, you must remember what it was like, use that memory to talk to us in a language that won't offend us attached ones!
Gently coerce, not full frontal attack.
have some sympathy for us lesser mortals joe, relate to us, you must remember what it was like, use that memory to talk to us in a language that won't offend us attached ones!
Gently coerce, not full frontal attack.
I don't consider you lesser Laz. Why would you put that label or condition on yourself?
Don't ask me for the answer, ask yourself why I would say what i did?
| QUOTE (Guest @ Mar 25, 08:19 AM) |
| Dan, are there thoughts that you'd post anonymously that you wouldn't otherwise post? If so, then you're being somewhat hypocritical. If not, then either you're lying or don't have any such thoughts worth posting anonymously. In either case, what it comes down to is whether we wish to introduce a personal element into our posts. If we wish to communicate a thought and nothing more, then there is no reason why we should associate our personal identity with it, as personal identity is superfluous, unless you're an egomaniac. So which one are you, an egomaniac or a hypocrite? |
I'm interested in honest dialogue, thus anonymity carries no unique benefit. I'm also interested in complex conversation, thus consistent identity is quite useful.
I do have experience with those who play the 'sock puppet' game, and they usually do it in order to express their various personality-pathologies in ways that allow them to avoid responsibility for any 'unsavory' acts.
| QUOTE |
| Don't ask me for the answer, ask yourself why I would say what i did? |
Why?
| QUOTE (Joesus @ Mar 31, 03:34 AM) |
| Why? |
in order to answer your own question
| QUOTE |
| Why would you put that label or condition on yourself? |
or have you forgotten already that you asked it?
hmm, this is a new game Joe...
Life is a game Laz
Not for me
there is no game
..what is there?
honesty, openness, truth, love
I could care less about croaking. I would rather stay alive, but it doesn't bother me a bit. I am a happy person, I could be doing much better financially (I'm sure I'm not the only one), I could shed about seven to ten pounds (again), I could complain...but why? I'm happy, and I think it's because I took over the irrational part of my mind (a war that is actually still raging), but I could be slightly wrong.
Anyhow, I'm going to go back to listening to the White Stripes.
Anyhow, I'm going to go back to listening to the White Stripes.
there can also be suffering and destruction
..sh*t happens, Dan...
yep, and we can try to clean it up..., or not
I have concluded from what i have learned and what i feel that understanding that my conclusions and feelings are based on the writings and thoughts of others and not based at all on emperical data but i still have chosen to believe that energy can not be destroyed therefore i will continue in what form i do not know or pretend to know but that the energy or life force if you please that is me will continue and will not be diminished i have chosen to follow the path of the peaceful warrior cusuming as much knowledge as possible and fighting against anything that would serve to diminish me as a person ..........Peace
i am guest the peacfulstorm
Great to see this.
Dan Millman and Carlos may be a little jard to get for the materialistically 'bent' but there is much to learn in them as Dr Dyer knows. You might remember Dr Dyer was featured on the cover of Time magazine as they detailed his system or approach to life is now in the dominant position of systems in America. He once sent me this article and a free book. It was his first book.
Dan Millman and Carlos may be a little jard to get for the materialistically 'bent' but there is much to learn in them as Dr Dyer knows. You might remember Dr Dyer was featured on the cover of Time magazine as they detailed his system or approach to life is now in the dominant position of systems in America. He once sent me this article and a free book. It was his first book.
Hello Laz
Why are people oblivious?
Illusion-ignorance is bliss.
Illusion-if I live as if death won't touch me, in the end it won't be so bad.
People only know of indulgence, to indulge in death they can't enjoy life.
They think thier purpose is to follow the masses in this drawn out fiction to support thier individual existence.
But then, I only offer you my own confusions and fears, assumptions and tears.
Why are people oblivious?
Illusion-ignorance is bliss.
Illusion-if I live as if death won't touch me, in the end it won't be so bad.
People only know of indulgence, to indulge in death they can't enjoy life.
They think thier purpose is to follow the masses in this drawn out fiction to support thier individual existence.
But then, I only offer you my own confusions and fears, assumptions and tears.
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