Timothy_417
Jul 10, 2003, 05:27 PM
I've decided to start a religion. I hereby inaugurate the Holy Order of the Invisible Pink Unicorn (HOOTIPU) and proclaim its sacred universality. Let there be no doubt that the Invisible Pink Unicorn (IPU) is real and ultimate. How do I know that the IPU is real? I have experienced it. I am not decieved for my experience of holy invisible pinkness is accutely real and transcends the mere illusion of this present world. The IPU is real. It is everyone, and in everyting. I am the IPU and so are you. In fact, reality is the IPU, bless that holy name. Reason and truth are insufficient to describe the reality of the loving lord unicorn. As such they cannot be used to invalidate the reality of the holy pointed one, and are vulgar machinations of humans blind to the nature of their own delusion. Look deep into yourself and discover the truth of the IPU. Grasp onto the holy horn reality and ride the invisibly pink winged stallion of truth into oblivion!
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Your High Priest and Overlord,
Timothy
PS - Tithe is 95% and is due tuesday
May pinkness prevail!
Laz
Jul 10, 2003, 08:02 PM
Oh lord, you have found me, I never thought this day would come. I rejoice in the presence of the Invisible Pink Unicorn and let it enter my heart for all eternity.
I have been searching for so very long, i can't even remember my own father, and i weep at the thought of my turmoil being finally over.
So that i might best serve you best along the long and fruitful journey of our wonderful new religion. Allow me to sit at your side and adopt you as my new invisible father.
I shall take a new title for my duties, hence forth I shall be known as Pastor Of Old Kindling and Irritating Effluence (POOKIE).
Bugga Bugga Bugga Bugga Whoop Whoop fipple...
I have the power of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, I feel it flowing through me, oh Ubermeister of madness, i am reborn in your image. I HAVE EXPERIENCED THE IPU, Rejoice in pinkness!
Do you think others might join us?
POOKIE.
PS: Can i pay thursday as my old war wound is playing up and i can only hobbleon my knees in the mud, oh and i might be a little short this year, my wife needs a new sow, sorry!
joe
Jul 11, 2003, 04:59 AM
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rhymer
Jul 11, 2003, 06:02 AM
Joe,
I think you are most disrepectful to the Lord of this declared religious Belief!
A: You have shown a white Unicorn,
B: You have displayed yourself running across to the Unicorn and peeing on it !!!
best regards, Bill.
joe
Jul 11, 2003, 07:09 AM
The unicorn was pink, I think it is changing color......
As far as disrespect goes, I think any conflict may be in the interpretation of worship.
rhymer
Jul 11, 2003, 09:03 AM
Hi Joe,
I worship humour !!!!
May it long outlive humans !!!
My monitor is obviously not in the pink at the moment - I do apologise and remove my erroneous observation.
You must, however be a heavy drinker to need to frequent the Unicorn so frequently !!!
Best regards, Bill.
rhymer
Jul 11, 2003, 09:16 AM
Hi Tim,
I do not deny the existence of the sacred Unicorn, (I have respect for all Faiths) but if this Unicorn is invisible, how do you know it is pink?
You say I am (as we all are) the pink Unicorn, and yet I can see myself in the mirror and I am not pink (though I may have a pinkness deficiency in my rods and cones rather than my monitor), and I do not have a long pointed whatsit sticking out of my head!
Please accept my apologies if my post seems disrespectful and forward to me immediately all data you have on this exciting new revelation for my consideration. I shall not enrol for membership until I have fully tested any claims for the efficacy of this new knowledge source.
Best regards, Bill.
joe
Jul 11, 2003, 11:11 AM
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You must, however be a heavy drinker to need to frequent the Unicorn so frequently !!!
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Only water!
Dan
Jul 11, 2003, 03:52 PM
I've been worshipping the beautiful Invisible Pink Unicorn for all of negative eternity which is tomorrow
and the Invisible Pink Unicorn is not in Everything, Everything is in the Invisible Pink Unicorn!
8)
Timothy_417
Jul 11, 2003, 06:31 PM
So speaketh the prophet Dan, so be'eth the truth! Let us Bugga Bugga Bugga Bugga Whoop Whoop fipple together in blessed communion.
rhymer:
You cannot know or experience the truth of the IPU until you lay aside the obstacle of your reasoning. The IPU is omnipotent and as such can exist in paradox. It need not conform to our feeble reasoning. The invisible pinkess is real and I know this in two ways: 1) The transcendant IPU has revealed itself to me 2) The Sacred Scriptures of the HOOTIPU, which I have written, declare it to be true and authoritative.
Seek not for evidence, for evidence abrogates faith, and without faith there can be no Salvation. Abandon reason, for reason fetters us to the illusion of this world. Find the IPU and the IPU will find you. It's self is your self, and all else imperfection. Do you want to be perfect? Of course you do! In what way can we consider this putative 'reality' to be perfect? In no way! But invisible pinkness is perfect, scripture and experience declare it to be so! What more do you need than my testimony? But see for yourself, simply release yourself from reason, and from all mortal reality and be just be...if you do this my son, you will know true perfection.
Joe:
Your holy urine is the holy urine of the IPU. Your pitiful attempts to defile his phallic lordship only glorifies his blessedness. You have annointed the IPU and you the IPU has annointed you. It is he and she and you and her and him and that and this and now and then and all and none and much and little and discord and UNITY!
The IPU symbolizes all this. What is there to deny, but denial itself?
Bishop Laz and Prophet Dan bear witness to these truths.
joe
Jul 11, 2003, 07:00 PM
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Joe: Your holy urine is the holy urine of the IPU. Your pitiful attempts to defile his phallic lordship only glorifies his blessedness. You have annointed the IPU and you the IPU has annointed you. It is he and she and you and her and him and that and this and now and then and all and none and much and little and discord and UNITY! |
I'm not sure why anyone wants to go with the thought of me defiling anything. I never made that claim, so this must be your interpretation.
What God creates is God, and he/she/it, is within all actions, there can be no less.
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The IPU symbolizes all this. What is there to deny, but denial itself? Bishop Laz and Prophet Dan bear witness to these truths. |
I'm not so sure you guys aren't just a couple of false prophets if you are seeing/making claims to less, or are aware of less than what you profess to be truth.
Timothy_417
Jul 11, 2003, 07:26 PM
Poor preacherjoe, you are so blind. Defilement by urination is a nearly universal human convension. I never claimed that you claimed this to be so. In fact you are claiming that I am claiming you claimed, an only too tired argument. Let me reiterate: only a too tired argument. Interpretation is a form of self-expression, a fundamental aspect of self and so is divine. Your failure to comprehend the nature of reality is a result of your never having witnesses the truth of the IPU. Repend and be absorbed into perfection.
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Amen
Alison
Jul 12, 2003, 02:31 AM
You're all sad monkeys, stop distracting my boyfriend and go out and get some sun. You look far too pale, it's not healthy.
Laz
Jul 12, 2003, 02:38 AM
Thanks Al, love ya ;D
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| I'm not so sure you guys aren't just a couple of false prophets if you are seeing/making claims to less, or are aware of less than what you profess to be truth. |
Hey, as long as it's funny, i'll follow anything; a shoe, a gourd, some schmuck named Brian...
Bugga Bugga!
POOKIE.
Dan
Jul 12, 2003, 03:24 AM
Clearly preacherjoe is trapped in illusion, creating a false image and reality for himself. Â Although this is merely perfection in action, it is also divisive and prone to creating illusory pain and karma which is not really real. Â If preacherjoe would simply accept the Invisible Pink Unicorn and become one with the Invisible Pink Unicorn, all illusion would evaporate and he would know the nature of un-falseness. Â All preacherjoe has to do is accept without prejudice the Teachings from those who gnow of the truth of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, how easy is that! Â Why would a person refuse the wisdom of those who gnow? Â It makes negative sense! Â Would an unformed apple tree attempt to grow without accepting the gnowledge of an apple seed? Any man who refuses the direct and easy path to the Invisible Pink Unicorn because of a silly desire to 'understand' is a foolish masochist. Â There is no 'understanding', only gnowledge! Â Attempt to think yourself to the Invisible Pink Unicorn and you will likely fail, but just accept the Invisible Pink Unicorn already and become That effortlessly! Â
I now speak the indecipherable truths of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, as he dictates them to me:
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blessed bee Â
joe
Jul 12, 2003, 04:30 AM
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Laz
Jul 12, 2003, 04:42 AM
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As a Pastor of this religion, i think i speak for the people when i say its about high time that we heard the invisible pink unicorn speak. We have been faithfull followers, and have converted one lost soul in your name oh master.
So lord speak to us; your disciples. Speak not through an interpreteur but as yourself. Send us a sign so that we might spread the word of your existance even further.
Invisible Pink Unicorn
Jul 13, 2003, 06:18 PM
Behold the Invisible Pink Unicorn.
[img]http://www.palmyra.demon.co.uk/humour/herholy.gif[/img]
The Invisible Pink Unicorns is a being of great spiritual power. We know this because she is capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorn is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that she is pink; we logically know that she is invisible because we can't see her.
The above image is merely a representation of Her Pinkness and should not in any way be taken as a True Likeness.
http://www.palmyra.demon.co.uk/humour/ipu.htm
joe
Jul 13, 2003, 06:30 PM
[img]http://www.palmyra.demon.co.uk/humour/creation.gif[/img]
http://www.joecartoon.com/pages/mantra/
Laz
Jul 13, 2003, 10:33 PM
Aw nuts! I thought that Tim was just having a laugh with an original idea. I didn't realise until reading about the IPU that it was actually a well thought out critisism of established religions and belief systems.
I guess the IPU did kind of speak, it told me to stop having a laugh, this is serious, in a tounge in cheek HHGTTG way.
I think i'll hang up my pastors robes and go and do some work.
Or I could start my own original comedy religion with no message behind it, and exists just to give us amusement.
Anyone fancy Totalitarian Terrapin, who believes all but his followers should live two up two down; inside a cow.
His followers shall inherit the earth, or at least the warm shallow waters around Australia, Hawaii, Goa, and any brackish estuaries and salt marshes they choose.
TT also strongly encorrages hiding whenever faced with danger, a difficult question, or an invisible pink unicorn.
So I give to you the new leader of this religion; Chairman Totalitarian Terrapin (Terry to his friends)
[img]www.closertogod.net/stuff/chairmanterri.jpg[/img]
joe
Jul 14, 2003, 04:39 AM
He looks like a communist.
rhymer
Jul 14, 2003, 06:07 AM
Sounds a bit fishy to me !!!!
But, knowing the way some humans think, I have no doubt somebody, tucked up in their little shell, will believe it.
And, that is their entitlement - may they long feel content, but leave me alone.
Best regards Bill.
joe
Jul 14, 2003, 06:59 AM
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| may they long feel content, but leave me alone |
Now that's funny!
Timothy_417
Jul 14, 2003, 07:20 AM
While I had heard the term IPU before while venturing in pagan lands, I was unaware that there were others that had been blessed with this most glorious revelation. Can there be any doubt now we have independent confirmation that the IPU is real?
Some people do not contest the existence of the IPU because they feel such claims are ridiculous and that to engage in debate against HOOTIPU lends a degree of credibility to an otherwise absurd position. But let it be known - if you think that HOOTIPU is absurd, you destroy the basis for your own system of beliefs. Bill is the only individuals here who truly comprehends this epistemological necessity, and I respect him for it insofar as he is intellectually honest enough to embrace the implications of his faith, unlike so few who profess a spirituality (or aspirituality). There are many here who would do well to heed the wisdom of Bill, myself included.
Agnostic4Now
Jul 25, 2003, 06:45 PM
Oh Joe Joe Joe Joooe. How easily you fall into the pitfall you yourself made. Don't you see where thy're going with this? You quite simply said for them to prove you wrong in the other thread. So start proving them wrong, or else our Unicorn has complete omnipotence and control over all creation! This is how religions get started. Isn't it fun? All we need is someone to die for us and a big book that tells you what to do to be an organized religion!
Tell ya what.... prove there's a God, I'll accept that there is one. And as a bonus, i'll prove there's a Unicorn!'Til then, "Hell's" gonna still be on fire! Bugga bugga whoop whoop piffle blargle blarg huzzah and amen. Seee you at tithe!!
bohdisattva
Jul 26, 2003, 02:11 AM
There is no pitfall here to fall into, only the experience. The proof of God you request resides in the realization of the divine spark within each of us. Without this realization, proofs are meaningless. I don't think you've made this realization. At best, those who have realized it can point towards it, but it's you, Agnostic4Now, that must experience it. Only then will you understand.
Timothy_417
Jul 26, 2003, 04:55 AM
Yes Agnostic4Now...realize the divine spark! Hahahaha
bodhisattva
Jul 26, 2003, 05:58 AM
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| Yes Agnostic4Now...realize the divine spark! Hahahaha |
BEHOLD!!!! It's Timothy realizing the divine spark, or so he thinks!
joe
Jul 26, 2003, 06:25 AM
The common experience is what most will worship.
The ego takes its individual experience, compares it with others, finds a common point and then validates itself.
This is from years of programming at birth to negate the divine that is within and replacing it with individualism, fear and emotional codependence.
Life is just a choice. The mentality of the ego is always prove something and I will believe it.
Christ appeared 2000 years ago as did many others before him to prove the divine within. The problem with this has always been that the self worth issues of humanity in its programmed disbelief in any relationship with the divine within, took these individuals and placed them on pedestals. They continued to worship out of habit through the trained outer senses rather than see the outer projection of the inner Self.
Christ performed all the miracles, even taught a few how to do them and to Self realize and yet habit and ignorance returned to the skewed interpretations that some people have it, and others don't.
So most of Humanity still sits on their ass waiting for the inspirational outer manifestation of greatness i.e. the pink unicorn, the winning lottery ticket or the perfect political saviour to take their suffereing away so they can stay comfortable in their own lives and control without actually doing anything themselves to change.
God never takes away anyones free will to stay stupid, God allows all choices to be made and so it is a point of reference.
From perfection all choices lead to the same place as all rivers lead to the same ocean.
Those that sit in ignorance will judge the other.
The religious fanatics will judge those that turn away from God and the unbelievers judge the believers.
There is nothing to prove to those that do not wish to see anything other than what they believe.
There is a scripture that says Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all else will be given unto you.
Those that seek find. Those that hold onto a belief that it doesn't exist have already made a choice and look no further and will challenge another to take away what they have found.
That is impossible.
What one experiences cannot be taken away. However those that stay stuck in one experience cannot move beyond the limits of it to experience anything else unless they make the choice to. So no amount of proof or coercion can turn the vision to see something it denies without the willingness to actually see it.
Just because someone says show me and I'll believe doesn't mean they are willing to see.
God has existed always and that is plain enough for those that have seen and in fact it is extremely obvious. But to those that don't look, how can you see if you don't know what you are looking for or you are so convinced there is nothing to look for.
Timothy_417
Jul 26, 2003, 07:14 AM
The only person who appears stupid here is you Joe, or bodhisattva, or mr. rational, or carl, or whatever persona you choose to be the vehicle of your lies.
THE_RAVEN2
Jul 26, 2003, 07:18 AM
bodhisattva
dont you think that was rude an uncalled for?
y would you be so rude to tim
maybe theres something i missed
Dan
Jul 26, 2003, 11:50 AM
I'm thinking bodhisattva is an otherwise bitter female who looks up to joe. Perhaps they are close?
???
joe
Jul 26, 2003, 11:51 AM
But you are a personna of me Tim. Don't you think it a bit arrogant to single a few out from the many manifestations of the self and make only a few real and the others not?
Besides I'll bet bodhisattva didn't appreciate you negating his personal expression to project the idea that I posted in his name.
Raven, you seem to have an idea that expressing your personal feelings is a bad thing and they can hurt someone. I think codependance is rampant amongst the majority who are afraid to say anything because it might hurt someones feelings. It causes stress in the nervous system to suppress feelings and it usually comes out in explosive behavior. Perhaps you should give him some room to express and get it out rather than stuff it down any deeper.
Agnostic4Now
Jul 26, 2003, 06:23 PM
 Your beliefs are completely unwarranted, based on faith, and thus have no substance. This 'divine spark' nonsense only proves you're just trying to look holier than thou, and Joe's spewing of creeds and proverbs only furthers evidence in this regard. Tell me how, excactly, this 'divine spark' of yours has anything to do with anything you're talking about. You're just trying to touch up the word 'soul', which is an unsubstantiated idea used by the religious and devout spiritualistics. Your comments have no basis, and cannot be proven. If they can, I would like a simple explanation. If they can't, I would like you to explain why you feel the need to succumb to ideas that cannot be backed up by solid evidence. If you have no evidence, you are simply blinding your consciousness by making wild statements about nothing, and fabricating your own world to live in, because you cannot live in the true reality.
You say the ego only knows things from experience. By using your own logic, you cannot know there is a God, and you most definitely have no proof that you have experienced God. By saying I will not understand God unril I experience him, or subscribe to your garbage, is like saying I will not be Christian until I am Christian. Completely nonsensical incentive for me to join your pointless cause.
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Any way you can explain yourself, Joe or bod?
joe
Jul 26, 2003, 08:08 PM
I think I was quite clear in what I had to say.
Your accusations to the elusiveness of my post and its basis for reality is only in the lack of your experience of anything other than what most base their beleifs in.
Surface appearances and the strength of popular belief that feeds the need to be right with their world.
bodhisattva
Jul 26, 2003, 10:58 PM
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| The only person who appears stupid here is you Joe, or bodhisattva, or mr. rational, or carl, or whatever persona you choose to be the vehicle of your lies. |
you've done a stellar job appearing stupid Timothy. You need no help from me, or Joe, or anyone else. Just continue on your path of narrowmindedness, and you'll be sure to elude truths that you can only dream about, but choose to deny since you haven't experienced them yourself. You covet the wisdom of others that you yourself do not possess. This is obvious.
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bodhisattva dont you think that was rude an uncalled for? y would you be so rude to tim maybe theres something i missed |
A little humor is not out of place when speaking to buffoons. If I don't speak their language, how else will they understand me? Besides, I thought the post was hilarious and am sure other people here did as well.
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| Your beliefs are completely unwarranted, based on faith, and thus have no substance. This 'divine spark' nonsense only proves you're just trying to look holier than thou |
of course you'd like to believe that because evidently you have no personal experience of what I'm talking about. You and Timothy both choose to disbelieve because you lack the experience. There's no mystery here, only the ignorance and delusion that you're both stuck in, like flies in a web.
Why would we try to look holier than thou? If we have realized the 'divine spark', how exactly do you propose we try to help others to realize it without coming across as 'holier than thou'? Don't you think it's possible that this perception of yours of us trying to be 'holier than thou' merely underscores your own personal insecurities? Are you that insecure with yourself that you're unwilling to entertain the possibility that people have experienced truths that you haven't? Or are you just naive?
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By using your own logic, you cannot know there is a God, and you most definitely have no proof that you have experienced God
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We know there is a God because we have realized this 'divine spark'. Direct experience will always contain more validity than mere description, rationalization, or otherwise 2nd hand accounts of direct experience. Our proof resides in our direct experience, an experience that you evidently are lacking and hence choose to disbelieve the existence of. And you're jumping through hoops to convince yourself that our experiences of the 'divine spark' are made up, which is rather pathetic I must say. The simple fact of the matter is that these experiences are real. Mystics have written of them throughout the ages, and only those who lack such experience would care to blatantly display their ignorance by claiming such experiences do not exist.
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By saying I will not understand God unril I experience him, or subscribe to your garbage, is like saying I will not be Christian until I am Christian. Completely nonsensical incentive for me to join your pointless cause.
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If you'd been colorblind your entire life and had never experienced 'redness', then there's nothing nonsensical with saying that you will never understand, or realize, redness until you experience it directly. Analogously, you've been Godless for so long because you've never experienced God directly, you've never realized your 'divine spark'. Maybe when you realize it, if you ever do, though you seem rather spiritually immature now and so you may never realize it, then you'll understand the point and you'll be able to fully appreciate the folly and ignorance you've displayed here.
Dan
Jul 27, 2003, 03:21 AM
wow, isn't bodhosattva a mean little byotch! I'm trying to figure if this little byotch is trying to show enlightenment by example (so far a massive failure) or if this little byotch is just a hypocritical tool
???
joe
Jul 27, 2003, 04:28 AM
Here we tend to project what the enlightened action is.
There is a story of a student who wants to seek enlightenment from the master. This master is sitting on a mountain top with his disciples.
The student asks the master, "sir will you please teach me of enlightenment, my life is nothing and is not worth the suffering any longer, the simple pleasures and their opposite sufferings give me no meaning to my life other than a future in the ground, please take me as your student or I shall jump from this mountain top and end my life here and now."
The master replies" Go then end it here and now I have no time to waste on the dreams of another."
The student jumps from the cliff and smashes on the rocks below.
The master sends down his disciples to recover the body and when they return brings it back to life and says, "this is what it takes to follow the voice of God, the complete surrender to realize without thought, the divine within."
The analogies here are really great.
The mind lost in the thought of what is real have to be surrendered to a higher truth than the one that ends up in inevitable death and the duality that causes suffering. If the person doesn't know what it is he can never know what it looks like or how to integrate it into life. Only by understanding the teachings of those that have experienced something greater can one understand it themselves and the Teacher will do whatever it takes to cut the head off of ignorance and ego.
Ruthless compassion is not to placate the person in their beleifs of the hole they stand in but to offer a hand to pull them out.
No one can be influenced or coerced into making a choice. The heart always guides the choice, but if the heart is so locked in fear the choice will be to make no choice and remain stagnant.
The world is so small by its surface appearances and vision is usually too narrow to allow most to see anything other than judgments based on limiting ideas that are held in place to keep from making a different choice.
Agnostic4Now
Jul 27, 2003, 06:54 AM
I never woulda thought a thread started on wackiness would attract wackos. Guess I shoulda.
So tell me: What's the difference between you guys and the Mormons who end up killing people because God tells them to? Your argument comes down to "It's my word against yours." Ever heard of a little American travesty called the Salem Witch Trials? Guess why it lasted so long. Hmmm..... put the pieces together.
Besides, from this divine spark (giggle), I don't see how you can get God from that. Maybe it's static electricity. Maybe its endorphines being distributed haphazardly as a stimulus for pleasure (probably). Maybe it's the gerbil that runs in that little wheel in everyone's brain heaving its last breath. But let's just put it this way..... don't say you know what it is. As they say on the craptacular MTV: "You think you know, but you have no idea." just like all the crazy people that know there are CIA people after them, or bugs all over the place.
I sense much hostility in you, young Buddha-lover. Please relax your senses.... hate is only caused by either fear or the inability to understand. Remember.... the Invisible Pink Unicorn will always free your mind from such anger. Bugga bugga whoop!
Dan
Jul 27, 2003, 09:37 AM
Joey, the death metaphor is lovely. Â The problem is that the 'Master' who knows how to 'kill' is not usually a 'Master' at much else. Â The whole religious dogma is designed to preserve the process, and the master is merely a surviving off of employment of the the dogma (and thus reproducing the lineage as a side-effect). Â The 'master' reduces a 'student' to a despondent state, and finally lets them fight back into survivable form (but it is a dogmatically determined form which leads to delusion). Â It is exactly that semi-delusional aftermath that is the so-called Mastery stage. Â A Master is nothing more than a person who survived such a crash and came back into some kind of pragmatically workable form, but to think that surviving the crash and reforming into some pseudo-survivable state is enough is plain gay. Â Most of these 'masters' rely on a pyramid scheme to survive, they live off their 'students'. Â Which, of course, makes one wonder what happens to the failed 'masters'? Â they get no support pyramid of gay students
Although you seem to be stable after your 'crash', all I see coming out of your language center is obsessive chanting of a small range of jibber-jabber which serves your needs as if it were a mental crutch. Â While you put on the appearance of a benevolant 'master' who can endow others with 'truth', you are really a wild-minded nutjob who survives off of folks with by way of a mind-fuck dogma that has been developed and refined by a lineage of likewise soul-sucking nutcases. Â
;D
joe
Jul 27, 2003, 12:25 PM
Dan that was incredibly hilarious.
Agnostic.
One need only experience the essence of creation to tap into it. It is unbounded in its supply of everything.
One needs to learn how to tap into it and learn how to recognize it, the rest is learned by experience.
The master turns the student towards it and away from illusion, but the choice always remains in the hands of the student.
When the student is ready the teacher always appears at whatever level they are looking for.
It is unfortunate that so many look for someone who will alleviate them from their burdens of responsibility. This is often too well known and generalized by others as the truth of most teachings.
IT does give the ignorant something to talk about since they have so much time on their hands.
If they could use that time constructively to build their levels of awareness think of what humanity could accomplish at deeper levels of awareness and at the deeper levels of the untapped mind.
Agnostic4Now
Jul 27, 2003, 04:13 PM
Joe, you are single-handedly the best waffler I have ever heard. You could dodge around the same question for days and never answer it. You should run for President or something..... I doubt you'd help anything, but you sound so much like your dancing around campaign promises for lower taxes, it's hilarious.
But don't you see? Your basis of believing things is really no different than those Mormons, lunatics, and schitzophrenics so influenced by their beliefs that it makes them distort reality. It's not much different than our IPU from our perspective.
joe
Jul 28, 2003, 04:40 AM
If you say so.
Agnostic4Now
Jul 28, 2003, 08:38 AM
And I do! My word is the word! 8)
Laz
Jul 28, 2003, 08:41 PM
Agno, You don't have to argue with Joe, you're not going to convince him of anything, and it's a wasted effort

One of his favorite angles is that all paths lead to the source, it doesn't matter which one you choose!
Go your own way, let him go his. Ask questions, build your knowledge. Joe only repsonds with firey rhetoric when you push him. Although you absolutely must watch out for the fishing, he's very good at getting bites :)
If bodhisattva is for real and not just Joe using an alias, then we have probably got double trouble from the Ascension camp.
I'm not looking forward to new imporved Joey, now with added backup!
Bodhisattva
Jul 28, 2003, 10:37 PM
| QUOTE |
If bodhisattva is for real and not just Joe using an alias, then we have probably got double trouble from the Ascension camp. |
Ahahaha! Oh, I am very real! I am here, in my enlightened state, seeing all, but not feeling the need to get lured into childish play at the moment. I will rejoin the "dialogue" at my leisure and when my nature dictates such.
Btw, it's a mistake to try to categorize me into the ascension camp or any other.
Laz
Jul 28, 2003, 10:50 PM
| QUOTE |
| Ahahaha! Oh, I am very real! |
A schizophrenic can invent personalities that seem very real to the host 
| QUOTE |
| Btw, it's a mistake to try to categorize me into the ascension camp or any other. |
Sounds like a threat to me!
Will you be joining our board as a member? I look forward to reading your welcome notes, provided you do not wish to stay anonymous and secretive?
Bodhisattva
Jul 28, 2003, 10:59 PM
Anonymity is a convenience here since personas are irrelevant to any meaningful discussion and usually just serve as the targets of personal attacks, which take away from the substance of any worthwhile discussion.
Laz
Jul 28, 2003, 11:09 PM
However, Anonymity leads to mistrust, suspicion, paranoia, and fear on the part of your peers.
If you have nothing to hide, why hide?
Feedom of thought is about honesty and openness. The internet is too good at hiding peoples true selves just by its very nature.
So why hide? help people understand who you are and where you are coming from.
If you take your title seriously then you are here to lead all beings to liberation, you will stay here until the end, even for the sake of one living mortal.
So it might be best if you became a member
joe
Jul 29, 2003, 04:55 AM
| QUOTE |
| However, Anonymity leads to mistrust, suspicion, paranoia, and fear on the part of your peers. |
This is a deluded statement. Nothing leads to anything in the sense that what anyone does causes you to think anything that is not already in you.
The mistrust, suspicion and paranoia that resides within is brought about by the reaction to what the person interprets.
You can stand at the edge of a cliff in complete terror if you are afraid of heights but if you aren't afraid of heights standing at the edge of a cliff will not make you afraid of heights.
A paranoid person finds reason to blame the exterior for their paranoia, but even if the object is removed the paranoia is still seated in the psyche until something greater comes along to remove it.
This is the objective in enlightenment. By replacing the inner programs that hold stress within the nervous system with the greater experience of the immortal self the outer becomes secondary and the self/Self is immersed in Love rather than fear.
I would say Bodhisattva, serves to enliven that aspect as did the alternate names I posted under to drive the demons of distrust out and to such a point that it caused quite a reaction amongst a few on the board.
Wouldn't you rather be settled in a place of eternal peace than bobbing about on the waves of the ocean without an anchor to stabilize your awareness.
This is the common point of reference of the waking state to be flung about by the object reactions of inner programs and ideas.
This kinda gets back to the lame statement that Dan was trying to persue regarding influencing factors like sitting in front of a speeding train.
The arguement always wants to take the process of recognition to an extreme.
You won't recognize the danger if you don't know about it, kinda thing. What many fail to notice is the knowledge becomes a point of stress when the knowledge is fear and it is imbedded in the nervous system and carried with you.
If the point of Focus is on a greater experience the others, the memories become useful but not a psychological burden.
For example it is useful to remember which house is yours when you come home from work and it is useful to recognise your wife when you walk into the house. But it is not useful to remember you are afraid of heights, paranoid, co-dependant, negative or lacking in self worth. These programs run at a subconscious level and can be erased by replacing them with a greater experience of life than to hold these truths to be real.
No one can make you distrust, you can have an experience of it, but you choose to carry the experience and project it into future situations.
Wouldn't you like to get bigger than that?
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