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Joe, are you experiencing a rare moment of self reflection?

No just the usual and predictable.

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No, just the usual and predictable.

I'm sorry to hear this, I had high hopes  :'(

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I'm sorry to hear this, I had high hopes  :'(

I know, its been pretty clear.

Dan,
Thanks,  I was not prepared to lose your keen edge.
If I may play withe the tenets of science a little.

You said:
"the deal is that the water and the earth are highly dissimilar kinetic wave mediums such that harmonic kinetic waves mostly reflect at their boundary."
But, the tsunami wave usually is generated from earthquake activity on land into the water.  Are you saying there is some sort of non-convertiblity back?  What would cause the dis-similarity of the kenetics in the original transform from earth to water so that it could not be converted back?
Second question:  What is the envelope of the water's barrier?
 In a similar way, sound waves in the atmosphere are reflected at water surfaces, and vice versa.

But, what I am looking for, and at,  is just this.
A metaphor that speaks to the duality of the force and it's carrier.  A peculiar marraige of waveform traveling through matrix.
Do you think I have picked the wrong example to demonstrate what I am attempting to say?  I want a graphic not just words to express this idea.  If I attempt this alone, I may try to explain it to a horse like Nietzsche  did.
I believe , and this is core to the two world theory,   that we have a manifold matrix of uniformly distributed photo/electric 'jots' equa-distant to begin with in a 10-33 centimeter, Planck constant, spacing that forms the matrix and fabric of this universe.
Flowing through that matrix in a pre-existing way,  (another part of the theory that is too early to express right now) is intelligent energy in many forms.  Let us say a waveform whose frequency exceeds our longest time boundary, flat for all intents and purposes, in our space time domain.  (with about the same frequency curvature measured as Einstein's time bending in space, I would conjecture).  This the wave form world, with some energy traveling in intelligent wavefrom 'packets' (Heisinberg, circa~1927) as a part of the 'very long wave'.  These packets also carrying xyz location instructions that upon 'arrival' in this custodial world transform the photonic matix into an electron grouping of particles at the xyz point, thereby stretching the matrix by photons grouping together forming particles causing gravity displacement (It is not a bowling ball on a rubber sheet as Einstein's metaphor indicates but the rubber sheet inself that is pulled into 'knots').  Thereby showing gravity to be an disturbance of the symmetry of the photon matrix by the conversion to electrons at a local area, rather than a generated force of it's own.
This theory could be the root to all the mysteries that exist in physics, if we can get out of our traditional way of thinking.   It is one based on the pre-existing parameters of an invisible matrix and pre existing energy 'carrier' wave that then expains non-locality.  Better than string theory or 'm' theory don't you think?  But, you need to be a boy to understand it.
To admit this is to fly in the face of science, which might possibly admit to a higher intelligence than ours and ruin the rules of egoness boundaries.

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the tsunami wave usually is generated from earthquake activity on land into the water.  Are you saying there is some sort of non-convertiblity back?  What would cause the dis-similarity of the kenetics in the original transform from earth to water so that it could not be converted back? Second question:  What is the envelope of the water's barrier?

the earthquake is likely not a harmonic wave, but a impulsive thrust.  Even then, only a small fraction of the energy need be transmitted to the water for a sizeable tsunami.


I do see kindof what you are trying to get at with the analogy, and it seems to be in the same spirit as my attempt at a TOE (theory of everything).  I hafta say it looks like I'm singing a slightly different tune, as I see the 'intelligence' in an entirely non-local way (i.e., the 'qualia' effect).  In my description, 'waves' in ordinary physical fields (photon waves as an example) are simply everpresent phase relations between communicating 'bits', whose spatial relations are a function of oscillatory comparability (because physical fields are characterized by stable 'oscillators', and 'zero' degrees is the 'communion point'). To me, intelligence is in the 'supersymmetric' non-local realm of subjective qualia associated with each indivisible 'atomos', where subjective meaning results from the instantaneous synthesis of all perception in the universe, and 'choice' is the manifestation of need and is the cause of the appearance of 'atomos' (which, in the case of 'causal' physics, is dependably repetitive).  Ultimately, I'm saying that there is only one perceptive state in the universe, and that any given time this state has meaning that leads creative action.  I like to say that we 'beings' are really just the same dude (the universe), time-divided into variably disjoint states that are characterized by 'individualized' memories.  In a sense, the perception of being an individual is itself the sum total of all perception of the universe at that instant, and the sense of continuity in time for any particular 'individual' state is best described as an illusion.  Thus, "we be God, but not at the same time"

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Dan,
My quick impression before giving what you have said a good read is that we are looking at the same book through slightly different glasses.  I believe the universe is one.  I also believe we are compartmentalized as you do from your coments.
You are looking at local energy, I am trying to view long range energy.  Right now we are looking out of the logic and reason part of the glass.  I am trying to invent the other eypiece that will give us binocular vision.
Thanks,
John

John

I understand your skepticism regarding knowledge and reason's ability to procure it.  I myself have similar reservations, and in fact the entire history of western philosophy is in a sense a dialogue about this very subject.  Traditionally skepticism like this has led to two responses: the first is the denial of knowledge altogether (nominalism or more recently postmodernism), and the second is the affirmation of supranatural knowledge (mysticism or anti-rationalism).  It seems to me that you fall somewhere within the latter category.  The difficulty of this position is that it is fundamentally an appeal to ignorance--that is, there must exist some unknown or unknowable reality which explain our present limitations.  Obviously this dilemma is indefensible insofar as it is grounded solely upon the appeal to ignorance.  Such as it is, additional evidence is necessary, but unfortunately the nature of these claims are often antithetic to the possibility of anything like evidence and remain forever in the realm of the mystical.  This does not mean that the claims are untrue, just that grounds for belief are very precariously held together.  Your task is formidable, but I am willing to press on if you are.

Tim

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It seems to me that you fall somewhere within the latter category.  The difficulty of this position is that it is fundamentally an appeal to ignorance--that is, there must exist some unknown or unknowable reality which explain our present limitations.  Obviously this dilemma is indefensible insofar as it is grounded solely upon the appeal to ignorance.  Such as it is, additional evidence is necessary, but unfortunately the nature of these claims are often antithetic to the possibility of anything like evidence and remain forever in the realm of the mystical.

Not so grasshopper.
Although John may have a different approach to enlightenment than I do in that the semantics tend to make waves for those that are tied to a certain way of thinking. The mystical as you call it have origins based in antiquity and timelessness.
Certain practices can be measured and have been scientifically identified as removing stress, bringing more joy and happiness into life, producing deeper rest than sleep, slowing down the aging process and expanding the conscious thought process by bringing coherence to thoughts by actual measurement of the brain waves.
Perhaps you have not found anything worth looking into or maybe you just don't believe anything is tangible or real that is not advertised on TV or popular with the mainstream thought.
What you focus on grows and as far as I can tell you focus only on what hasn't worked for you and how God has failed you!
I would say You have failed God and abandoned that which is inside of you for lesser thoughts and ideas of limitation.
Life is just a choice and yours are self evident. You want to challenge God to prove himself to you. That is an old egoic and useless game.
When you are done wasting your life you might try something different.

Timothy,

Let us agree on this limited point.  Science is wonderful in the proper sandbox.  It is obvious a success when it is a success story.  It is rotten when applied to certain areas it has no business in.  
Logic has no place in the field of the etherial.  It is a poor instrument to investigate consciousness, for instance.  It was a disaster in the investigation of quantum electrodynamics.

Now, please do not lump me in with the priest, shaman or magician (although I do feel a certain kinship with my visionary bretheren, sans there superstitious ignorance).  Nor in with the people who rely on God as an explanation, (They just give in and ignore the complexity of being human).

I think we have sufficiently developed the left hemisphere.
I believe that the right hemiphere is an exciting new ground of exploration that has barely been touched upon.  It, up 'til now, has been the hunting ground of the roving visionary.  It is the entrance to our unexplored and virtually untapped reservoir of the unconscious.  it is chaotic and confusing.  I consider it a personal challenge to tame at least a part of it and leave some tracks.  

When this side is sufficiently quelled and added to the other left side (logic and reason), it will give us the binocular vision that will allow us to truly see the scope and dimension of the place we reside in.   This will allow us to make the next evolutionary step on this tiny, remote planet. 
There are many clues to examine and incorporate throughout history.  Many people have made parts of the trip in the past.  It is not the challenge of Hercules.  However, there are so many that have been trained in limited vision, on both sides,  that it is quite difficult to make a dent in the either collective viewpoint.  I never have felt such a broad feeling of being in the right place at the right time-my place just right, I guess.  Exciting times.

John

John

Ok, I think are sufficiently on the same page.  Please proceed.

I wonder, however, if we might be able to establish a tentative hypothesis.  If this mostly unexplored world is percieved by the brain, it seems that we ought to be able to scientifically examine the physical/material states of the brain in order to draw certain conclusions?  This would provide a scientific basis for your claims.

Tim

here's a way to think it, synch

the universe is a 'dual' universe, with the 'external' (or disjoint) aspect and the 'internal' (or synthetic) aspect.  The 'internal' is equivalent to perception, it is the 'view' and can be 'good' or 'bad' in an instantaneous sense.  The 'external' is equivalent to movement, it is 'physical'.   The two sides are dual complements of each other in the primitive sense, separated out of the 'nothingness' state and capable of recombining back into it.
Structure in the 'physical' is directly manifest in the 'perceptive', generating a net qualia state that can be 'good' or 'bad'.  'Good/bad' is not a trivial consequence of structure as it is able to emerge, such 'quality' must be 'chosen' from available states (implying related physics) through trial and error (or evolution).  This is the essence of consciousness, in that consciousness is a state capable of choosing 'good' physics.  (as physics 'makes' perception). it's iterative, the 'choice' of perception alters the structure of physics, and the structure of physics defines the state of perception)

the meaning of movement is to find 'good', but the limitation of movement is that it can only use what is available or possible (which might not allow for total 'good', or 'heaven')

(sorry for all the '''''' s, I get 'crazy' with them  ;D )

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I think there is a fine line to tread between 'mysticism' and 'rational enquiry', namely the territory to be denoted 'that as yet unexplained'. However, we must be mindful that today's myth has often been tomorrow's science. Indeed, it's the spirit of the approach that separates these apparent opposites, and I'm sure synchronox's approach is the proper one, a kind of rational attitude towards the apparently irrational.

I totally agree with ID, and to his comment I would add one thing.  The razor's edge which delineates between the proper and improper approaches to the unknown will include the acknowledgement that the inquirer might be wrong.  The mystic will never acknowledge that he or she might be mistaken, the true inquirer will predicate his or her inquiry upon the possibility.

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I totally agree with ID, and to his comment I would add one thing.  The razor's edge which delineates between the proper and improper approaches to the unknown will include the acknowledgement that the inquirer might be wrong.  The mystic will never acknowledge that he or she might be mistaken, the true inquirer will predicate his or her inquiry upon the possibility.

That is an interesting Idea. What book does that come from and if not other than a personal idea, what action would be the one to avoid? Maybe it would be better to stand still than to be afraid to make a mistake and take any action.
Or all action leads to the goal and finding faults would be a large waste of time.
Personally I think to qualify all actions before taking them would take some time to first find a way to qualify them without actually having to experience them.
Then also to qualify anothers experience based on yours would be rather foolish don't you think?
You guys spend so much time trying to figure out who is right so that you won't be wrong it's hilarious.
I'm sure when you get the right and wrong categories sewn up there will be a great flash of light and a rejoicing aha for all to see and experience. (Gak!)

I don't really agree with mr rational's ideas here; there's too much baggage and restriction with the words 'right' and 'wrong'. Better to think of a 'right' idea as one that leads to a successful theory and a 'wrong' idea as one that fails to develop any further. Yet even this is not clear-cut: a successful theory may one day be overturned, and much may be learned from a 'wrong' idea.

Returning to the idea of enlightenment in this regard, I believe that exchange of ideas and points of view (i.e. dialogue) brings into relief so much more than solitary pursuit (but I still think both are important), hence we are not all trying to be 'right' but are striving to contribute to something more complex than any one individual can devise, barring that rare creature, the genius. Many blind alleys may first need exploration, but we have time. All power to the group mind!

So many fine inputs.  I hope you all won't mind if I do not answer individually.  I shall try to touch on each as we go on in this inquiry.
It is the lone observer's job to finally bring observations to the group for verification.  To all sup at the table of the cognescentii.  From your individual comments I consider myself with peers.
We live in a world that has made extrodinary strides in science.  it is natural to take the same tools employed in those sciences and use them with industry in the discovery process of 'right' side activity (see Dan I too suffer from ''''s, necessary when the words are not there yet).  A stepping back and a reflection indicates that these typical tools are not and have not been working successfully in certain areas.  It does not mean that these tools are somehow defective, only that we need some new tools to explore this different countryside.   For instance, consensual agreement works for the reproducibility of the objective 'solid' world, it does not work for the subjective unique experience of an individual occurance.  Yet we all experience these unique individual occurances.  It does not mean that we need to ignore these events because we have not found a way to understand them.  We need to fashion some other acceptable 'tools' to measure them.
Let me give you a real example.  If I told you a certain precedure would turn on a particular type of dream and the beginning dreams would have you experience conditions that would be your own unique experiences about your life and the first stage of this dreaming process would contain many dreams with the color black in them and your experinced this, what would you think? (phew!).  Maybe that I had offered a suggestive thought that your unconscious picked up on that was a hypnotic suggestion?  We then told a third person the same without the reference to black and their first dreams contained black in some form. Then 10 people and then.....100.  All with the same results.   The black came up as cars, clothing, people, eyeglasses each different.  We would have formed a basis of understanding.  A 'reflective resonance'.  All dis-similar, yet, all the same.  This is the first tool.  Reflective resonance for subjective investigations.  Reproducibility for objective measurements.
This actually occurs on a daily basis in my life (I instruct a group of about sixty ordinary people that join me in this investigation into the shape of our psyche in various discussions and group meetings during the week).  The first stage of investigation of the right side is the employment of the visionary tool of a certain type of dream that is instructional.  The first stage this type of dream is called the 'Nigredo'-the blackening.  It has been reported on extensively throughout  history.
This is a beginning 'taste' of new technology for those brave enough to break away into this 'scientific inquiry' of the unknown. (Thanks ID).
The foundational element is to go into the unknown and brign back experiences in a controlled sort of way and see the comparative 'reflective resonances'.  The registration soon emerges to sort out what is mainstream.  There is so much more as this is such a rich unexplored field of endeavor.

Interesting John.  Do you think we can test your procedure over the internet.  I will tell you, however, the occurance of black alone is not convincing for me.  The last dream I remember had all kinds of black in it.  I dreamed my best friend (black) was killed in the present gulf war.  Our base was over run by Iraqis (black), and my only weapon was a black hand grenade.  We fled in a black limo, driven by a man with black hair and were pursued by a dump truck equipped with a bulbous black crushing device.  Overall it was a pretty black dream if you're looking for black, but at the time no color stood out.  I'm sure I could find any color you named and believe it to be significant, but this is called confirmation bias.

I'd still like to try it out.  I have irregular sleeping habits though.

Timothy,

Yes, we could do it by email.  The black example was just that.  These dreams are ultra intelligent and everything in the dream means something.
The dream itself comes in four parts.  The first part is the exposition or overview, the second is the action area which is redundant with the overview, the third is the problem area and the forth contains the solution to the problem area.  Each dream interweaves with the last.  The dreams tell a metaphoric tale of what happened to your psyche and outlines disturbances and corrections to be made.  There are other 'detection' areas that start to employ different aspects of the visualization process.  It is really an experiment in experiencing a new type of consciousness.
I would have suggested doing it in the open on the forum, but the process does get quite personal.  The first stage is the black stage that shows contamination-instructions that have been incorporated into your psyche that are not yours and interfere with your living a natural life.  If others are interested perhaps Shawn would make available a seperate line item or private discussion for those that are interested.   We shall see.

I don't mind doing it in public.

synchronox,

this dreaming stuff is fascinating! I have been fortunate (though rarely) to have flying dreams, lucid dreams, and very occasionally, lucid flying dreams! Trouble is, I'm a chronic insomniac, having to take copious amounts of alcohol and cannabis (and, when all else fails, diphenhydramine HCl) to get off to sleep, therefore I'm sure I'd be an awful subject for the experiment. But I'm sure there's so much to be learned, and wish everyone well if the experiment comes off.

Ian

Timothy,
Let's do it then.  Reserving the option to go to email if necessary.
There are manifold instructions.
The first is that the information is drawn from your own personal memory banks, reconfigured and then woven into a story about you which we shall decode.  I'll teach you the fundementals of how to decode the dream as we proceed.  So, it is necessary to ask you for associations to certain symbols in the dream in order to do the cryptology as we go along.

Ian,  Cannibis is difficult as it interfers with short term memory.  Incidentally, insomnia is sometimes very responsive to this type of dreaming.  it is something to look forward to and makes the act of sleeping an anticipation.

First instruction:  The visionary dream is turned on with an act of intentionality.  Just before going to sleep, do the following.  Put a recording instruments nereby, pen, paper, light.  Next, ask as if you had an inner genius, (Socrates, Greek word for the voice that whispers in your ear is genius) to create a dreaming process that will instruct you about yourself.  The intent is to form a partnership with this inner intelligence.  Record anything, no matter how bizarre.  Create a journal, name the dreams and number them.  Report them and get them interpreted.  Do this every evening until the dreams appear.  Even a single symbol atarts the process.
John

Ok, had a dream.
(Tim,  For conservation reasons and ease of response, I have taken the liberty of interspersing comments about the dream throughout the ones you have made.  These will be within brackets. Yes, this is the  type of dream that starts the process.  Please tell it in narrative style as the proximity of the symbols and words are also important.  
In the beginning, I shall be feeling my way, as I am not yet familiar with the symbology your dreammaker employs.  It is not important that I am right.  I will just hold a mirror up to you with my analysis.  It is what you think that is improtant and that then generates the next dreams.  It is your system that has the intuitive Aha! that is so important to the process.  I do not intend nor mind being wrong, so tell me.)

Characters

• M1
  
• D1
  
• J1 - Friend (We need one line descriptors for each of the characters.  Everyone in the dream represents you, not them.  They are employed as symbols to describe your process)
  
• N1 - Friend from childhood
  
• T1 - Authority figure from childhood  Â (Where in the dream is he?)
  
• J2 - friend from childhood, although I admired N1 more
  

Location

• The dream occured in the sanctuary of a church.

Events

• I was aware of sitting in the church pews, left side, near the back.  (Shows that your true personality was subordinated-left is unconscious and so is in back)
  
• N1 was sitting ahead of me and got up and moved to the front on the right side.  (Looks like a personality type like him came forward into the conscious to take over when the primary personality was subordinated.  This is a protective measure of the psyche- to protect the central personaluty at any costs)
  
• He chided me about following him as it was not necessary.  (You are not needed)
  
• It became clear to me sometime during or before the move that I was here to give a speech along with N1 and J2.  J2 was speaking when the dream started (this may be anachronistic revelation).  When J2 was finished, N1 began.  During his presentation, I devised my speech.  It had three points, although I don't remember what they were.  I based the message on Mark 3:37, which incidently doesn't exist.  (Three forms of intelligent masculine are presented here.  Each with a different connotation.  We will know what they are with your associations).
  
• When my turn came, I walked to the podeum, but everyone was mingling and casually talking.  I took the time to write down the message I came up with earlier.
  (No one is interested in your speech as they are not paying attention.  When the primary original personality of yours is not recognized or loved for who you are it goes unconscious to be replaced by personalitiies that are more suitable, in this case, to your parents projections.).
  
• While writing, my parents came to talk to me.  D1 commended me on the speech and gave me a printout so I wouldn't have to write it out.
  (Don't understand D1 attitude yet, was he dismissing you or making it easy on you?)
  
• Next I was talking with J1.  I don't remember what he said, but it was negative or wrong and M1 corrected him as she walked by.  He responded sarcastically to me when she was gone, can't remember what he said.  (This is the personality that was constellated to protect you from M1, it is also the perferred one and is disdainful to your original personality.).
  
• I started off the speech with a joke, in order to stall while I collected my thoughts.  I encouraged everyone to wear an untucked and stained dress shirt when they returned to hear me speak again because that was what I was wearing at the time and am notorious for making a habit of it.  (This is the manifestation of the complex, stained, dishevled will do for black.).
  
• And so I gave the speech and woke up.
  

This dream was the second of the night that I remember, although I remember nothing about the first other than the fact that I had it.  I woke up for it too, but fell back asleep.  I tried to fall asleep again after the second dream, telling myself that I would remember it, but I experienced something that made me get up.  As I was drifting back into sleep I heard a loud metallic voice that said Beth or Death.  If you imagine a subwoofer distorting from super low-frequency you will know what the voice sounded like.  A deep harsh vibration felt as much as heard, rattling walls and shelves etc.  So I got up and wrote it down.  Later on, I dreamed about posting it.  Now here I am.
(Any association with Beth?  Death is what happens to the old personality when you see it in its entirety,
Also incoming energy is very common when this process starts.  This is a forecast type of dream.  It sounds to me that both M1 and D1 were involved in expecting you to be smart in a number of ways and that blocked the natural development of your true personality.  Your true personality has to emerge in order for you to start to recreate yourself and grow.  How do you feel about this?  We can stop if you wish.  This is the pathway to natural development and is arduous.  It is your intentionality that drives the process, so do what ever you want.  If you want to go ahead the next dream will enfold from doing this one)
John

Timothy,
Look above.  I took the liberty to modify your dream message, as it was faster for me.   If this is OK, let me know.  We can design anything we want.

The first stage is the exposure of contamination so that it may be removed-if you don't see it in its totality, you can not remove it.  This program that creates this type of dream removes the distortion of others in order to then build a foundation for you to grow unencumbered.

We begin the adventure of using intuitive reasoning along with the analytical method.

John

Characters descriptions

N1
J2
J1
M1
D1
T1

No person of significance in my life is named beth.
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I'm not really sure how you want me to respond.  I interpreted the j1/m1 event to be my discomfort resulting from my parents always viewing j1 as bad for my development and his unspoken resentment of that attitude.  We played video games instead of studying or going to church.

As far as the n1/j2 relationship is concerned, I interpreted that to represent my reluctancy to come to terms with my mental limitations.  I have spent many years trying to deny their superiority.  My parents only encouraged me to try hard, success or failure after that was my problem.

Again I don't know what you are looking for.

Timothy,
You responded in a healthy and direct way.  In the beginning, until we get some other indication, we can assume that these three friends represent three different aspects of your personality.
We will also assume that your mother was the main distorting influence that caused the disturbances.
What we are looking for here is clarity presented in metaphor.
Question:  which one of these boys was most like your father?  I would pick James.  Is this correct?
We frequently pick the subservient mate to the major parent that does the complexing to model after.  it is so much simpler than inventing a new personality.  if Jeff is the rebellious one, then Niel is the personality that complied with your mother's wishes.
So, One is the rebelious personality that rebels against the mother for disturbing the native personality,  another is the personality modeled after the father to keep some semblance of peace and the third is the compliant personality that passified the mothers wishes.
I am making a structured early guess here.  This is the fashion that the information is developed that will eventually show you the complete and up until now, invisible shape of your psyche.  This includes who was responsible for the splits and will contain instructions to regain your original stance back.  You will lose nothing except living someone else's life the way they would have perferred you to live it.  This is what it takes to get clear.  I am not searching for anything else but information to present to you.  how does this sound to you so far?
John

I think I agree with Synch (?), the mom is the source of the repression, made it impossible for you to dump her (she doesn't want you to 'wean' from her, she wants you as a 'tool' of her needs forever).  time to find God (her means of control), and tell him to 'fuck off'.  find the hate, find your power.  

Sheesh!

Hey Guys,

This is not easy to do even in private.  Tim is brave enough to reveal his innermost workings here.  It is an act of courage to offer yourself as an experiment.  I applaude him for even doing the first dream.  He may want to reconsider.  If you would like start your own process I will be glad to assist.
There is no therapy done here as the inner program supplies the information and intelligence.  I know structure and the language, so I am a technician assisting in the process.  

I haven't woken up or remembered any more dreams.  I remember having them, but can't tell you anything about them.

From what I reading I really enjoy your forum. I think that enlightenment is a personal journey to grow and become more aware of oneself both in the good and bad times in one's life.  Also, to me its recognizing each of us a unique and specail in respecting  each other of those differences. I will be back since I seeker good comfortable places to share thoughts. I also have checked this forum, I have not posted there yet, but may, it seems to have a variety of posts but people are full of insights similar to here. thanks

http://pub8.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?us...ernum=654531486

Shy,
Thanks.  Come back and be bold.  Only 2% is serious and may be we can discover where that resides.
John

(My views in brackets)

Another dream

Characters
X-Men
Wolverine
J2


I was aware of being in a fortified arena of sorts.  It seemed familiar, like it was shaped according to my house, but I can't remember well enough.
(We are in the confines of your fortified-defensive position).

 In the arena there were two very large groups of x-men mutants about to battle each other.
(Characterizations of the un-natural forces that have come in to replace your natural shape of th psyche.  At this point, people that become aware of these apparitions frequently turn them into invading aliens, etc.  since they do not know how to interpret them metaphorically)

 Seeing how I had no super powers, I was not very excited about the ensuing battle.  Somehow before the fight began, I managed to find and arm myself with a scapel and a miniature curved sword (short sword of the ykesha to be exact, from the computer game Everquest).
(These cutting devices are your beginning weapons of discernment, giving you the ability to differentiate what is happening.)

 Well things began and I hung back toward the middle of the group.  One of the female mutants on my side ran forward to attack but was flanked by another female mutant who proceeded to fry my allies brain with a death touch or something.
(I am now faced with the difficult task of explaining something very complex to you early on, Tim.  I have had people labour over this concept for many a session.  If you do not get it at first, just perservere.
We begin with two personalities in this life.  The first personality matches your physical make-up.  In your case it would be masculine, most of the men start in the area of the sensate-thinking development area of the brain.  This is coincident with our physiology and hormones.  Girls start in the sensate-feeling area of the brain-mind.  When the boy is not loved for who he is, the personalities swap.  The masculine retreats into the unconscious, the feminine advances into consciousness.  The feminine is the exact opposite of the masculine.  It is counterpointal.  If the boy is extroverted it is introverted;  if the boy is sensate thinking inclined the other is intuitive feeling centered.  Now for the hard part-the feminine alter personality takes on a disguise that is the secondary in order to mimic being a boy.  Further, and this is revelatory, the masculine emanates from the left hemisphere which is dominant in a boy, and his secondary personality from the left, feminine hemisphere.  I believe from some circumstantial evidence that the dominant hemisphere is about a half cycle ahead of the subservient one.  When the reversal occurs, the dominance switches places and now the right is dominant where the left should be.  This is not in the literature, should be easy to check with present scientific instrumentation.  This distortion is probably the cause of most if not all of the personality problems in the world.  I know this is a broad sweeping statement, but I have seen this with such commonality that there is no other way to interpret this data in any other way.  Anyway for our purposes, you can disregard my theories as they will not be important to your dreaming process.  It just gives me a framework to guide me)

 I ran forward to assist, but after slitting the mutants throat several times I realized that she had healing factor and could not be killed in this way.  I pulled her back to wolverine and asked him to cut off her head.  He hesitated for a second and then as ripped through the neck while I hel the head and body back.  The image of cutting and decapitation was particularly vivid.  The battle ended immediately after, although not in connection to the beheading.  I looked around and all the female mutants were naked.
(This obviously a forecast dream that occurs in the beginning of the process.  It shows what you shall be engaged in in the next several months.  Now to the metaphoric interpretation.  This is you conquering the anima in her place just wrong by cutting off her head-the head is the cutting off of the thinking secondary function.  As you see from the dream, you cannot do this with just your own capabilities and need assistance.  The wolverine assists.  This where we leave the group of shamans that would interpret this dream as having a power animal.  The woverine is of course, an image that represents some underlying energy that is built into your psyche.  The most difficult part for many is to seperate out the image from the underlying energy the image represents.).

I then was aware of being in a neighborhood.  I was standing on someone's front lawn with j2.
(Front lawn=consciousness.  Something becomes conscious upon killing the thinking mutant.).

 His car was in the background.  We were here to kill another mutant.  This one was a giant yellow volleyball orbited by two soccer balls.  To kill it we had to kick the soccer balls into the volleyball.  When it materialized, we chased it around a tree killing at the soccer balls.  I remember falling, and then James scored a successfull kick killing the mutant.  After it died, an envelope appeared on the corpse.  I picked it up and read the message.  The dream ended and I cannot remember what I read although it feels like it was important.
(This is starting on another hunt for additional distortions in your psyche.  The neoSelf operates in sequence.  First the most obvious complex is worked on first.  This shows that you have more than one complex.  Yellow in dreams is a sign of the masculine.  You are given some message as a result of this encounter, it will be revealed during the actual engagement.)

I'm starting to think I'm crazy.
(The easiest way is to admit it right in the beginning, then you do not have to labor over it all the time.  Grin)

(note:  I am having difficulties with lock ups while posting, so have to do this piecemeal.  If anyone else is having this difficulty, let me know)

Timothy,
Again I take the liberty of using your post to paint upon.
These dreams are metaphors that are a fluid view of the contents of your psyche.  They show the representative characters from each viewpoint as if each subcharacter had its own perspective.  It is very much like watching a play and being each character in that play.  Everything in the dream is you.  The play changes as you become conscious of each entity.  Also watch the choriogarphy as the play unfolds.
I shall do this second dream first as it iwill be easier for you to understand at this point.

Another dream:

Characters

High School Class
NM - high School history teacher
Little boy

Story

I was aware of being outside near my current residence.
(residence or houses are the shape of your psyche.  This dream is about you being outside the primary shape of your phsche.)
 I was in the grass about a 100yds from my house looking across the lot toward a busy street (my back was facing my own street.)  
(Another indication we are viewing you in an unconscious position.  Unconscious in this case means your primary personality is unconscious, replaced by a secondary one that was was capable of handling the undue pressure that you young boy suffered and could not cope with)

(This begins the second part of the four part dream called the Action section.  It is redundant and coincides with the information presented in the Overview)
There were desks set up in the area and I was on the back row, in the middle.
(Notice the registration with the overview.  This about the primary masculine going unconscious-back of the room and in the over view he is outside the house with his back turned toward his street, both views of the primary personality not being in conscious control.).

 The whole class was seated and the teacher was speaking, no one was really paying much attention.  Soon a little boy appeared and we were informed that this new student would be joining us.  He sat on the front row on the right side.  He was about 8-10 years old.
(This the appearance of the secondary personality that replaces the primary one in consciousness and causes a division to occur.  It is this division and subsequent placement of the primary in the unconscious that wrecks havoc with our personality in adult life when it is no longer necessary to protect us from the undue pressure placed upon us during childhood.  I term this an 'immune system response' of the mind to protect the innocent child at any cost.  This transdformation took place at age 8-10.  What happened at this point in your life, Tim?).
 The teacher resumed lecturing and after a short while the little boy raised his hand to ask a question.  When he spoke, we were all surprised at how advanced and complex his understanding of the material was.  He spoke of the sociological intricacies of war, but he did so in a very childlike and innocent way.  I watched this interaction from the back row and eventually the lecture had turned into a dialogue between the boy and the teacher, at every turn, the boy became more and more advanced in his thinking.  After a while, I began to experience jealousy and tried to break into this conversation, but I never could.
(This division is the cause of the feelings of isolation and alienation.  The primary boy is now locked out of receiving any love or recognition for who he truly is, as it is directed toward the proformance oriented secondary personality.  It is hell to be jealous of something that resides within your own personality.  This is the third part of the dream-the problem area).


 I began to have my own coversation in the back of the class about the conversation in the front, a commentary of sorts.  At this point the dream becomes vague and I don't remember anymore.  ( The forth part- the solution, an internal dialogue is started that will start to correct this distortion.
As you can see, this is an augmentation to your logic and reason.  These intuitive pictorial presentations allow you to see the invisible-that which we do not have eyes for.  The dreams are a formidable presentation of intelligent structure from within, the turning on of your own internal genius that is starting to advise you).

Tim,
I have interpreted your second dream first and it is above.  I am having some difficulty in posting longish messages.  i will get to the first dream as soon as I can.  What do you think so far?

John

At around the age of seven, my family moved to another state and I started at a new school.  That was pretty stressful, I remember crying when the news was announced.  Things got worse when I began classes.  My old class was less advanced than my new class and I was jumping in in the middle of the year.  Eventually I caught on and things got better.  I won a reading contest.  I read the most books in the class.

Next year wasn't so good.  I embarrassed myself very badly one day in class.  I won't get into the details, but needless to say it was mortifying.  This was blocked from my consciousness and I rationalized it away.  During the year I scored very highly on an aptitude test and was given the opportunity to try out for a 'gifted' student program.  They screened applicants with an IQ test.  I failed to qualify by 1 point.  I rationalized this failure away also.  I remember getting the test results and realizing that I had been turned down.  I was 8-9 at the time.  I tried very hard not to let it bother me, but as I sat there something inside me died, or broke, and I began to cry.  It was the worst disappointment that I had ever experienced.  I changed schools again after that year.

Tim,
Finished up on the first dream that I did second out of sequence.

John

What is enlightenment is till now discussed as a more individual effect. But doesn't mean enlightenment a very special involvement with the 'others'?
A sharing of energy ... bringing a new balance in others by a kind of overview?

dirk

Hey Dirk, hows it going?

What you're saying sounds very interesting, but i'm not sure what you mean, can you expand on what you said for me?

Thanks Laz,

Enlightenment is till now discussed as a more individual effect.
But doesn't mean enlightenment a very special involvement with the 'others': I mean (1) an active interference with the lives of other people (i.e. healing others) what we see in for example Jesus, Mother Theresa, Edgar Cayce and many unnoticed people, (2) a karmic level: carry karmic problems from others like we see in many religions as Buddhism.  
A sharing of energy ... bringing a new balance in others by a kind of energetic overview (or insight of how to handle such restructuring of energy in others).
I believe such involvement with others is an essential part of enlightenment.

Maybe a related phenomena in physics. Sonoluminescense (http://www.aip.org/physnews/graphics/html/sono1.htm ) : where light can be created by sound. So Sonoluminescence is the conversion of sound into light.
Possible interpretation: by activation of specific sounds in yourself - for example by mantra's - you can create real light flashes inside the brain.

Dirk

Hello Dirk,

You are adapting quite well:) Mandalas are important to consider in light of what you are saying here in sonoluminence.

Can you imagine how anyone's consicousness could have created such capsules of energy. Historically these come from the past, and to have them embedded in experience(dream world), is a most interesting approach to lure the mind into pursuing understanding of the record keeping that it does.

Resonance in consideration of http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase...m/hosc4.html#c1zero point vibration, has a direct relation to what any mind could concieve. If such capsule of energy could have been embedded in consciouness, what else can we do when we create paradigms for change?

A flash of light, understanding, insight, creativity, are these not all things that help us understand the preview(small glimpses of what might be yet to come?) to what [glow=yellow,3,300]enlightenment[/glow] could do for each of us?

Sol

I think I am going to move this discussion to a new thread as this is a little off topic and this topic is huge anyway :0)