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Belief, I think someone said comes from a shallow part of the mind. This is a common scientific idea, that the amount of the brain used is only 5-10%. ... So what does belief mean to an overloaded nervous system clouded with lifetimes of dogmatic beliefs ...?... I think everyone knows deep inside that there is something that drives us into life ... That doesn't mean we can't understand. .... Christ described his relationship with God ...Bhudda claimed oneness ... ...This is how religions are formed. ... The texts of the Bible were derived from different writings .... There are as many ways to experience and interpret God as there is as many ways for God to present itself..... Only our beliefs continue to recreate the realities based on fear, greed and judgment. Gods intent is not to create suffering, that is a human creation but if it takes suffering to push somone into greater understanding of themselves, to push them out of their low self worth and ignorance than suffering becomes a gift rather than a curse. ... God does exist, it is just a matter of time till the separation and BELIEFS that support separation crumble, to expose what is real and never changes. When the student is ready the teacher will appear. ...God patiently waits within for ego to collapse ...

Thank you for your concepts, written in beautiful words!

The extract - according to my experience: everybody has to dive into a personal relationship with eternal truth: means inner voice of wisdom.

From there all concepts about GOD and DEVIL start. There all concepts end with death-process. And influence coming generations by fairytales of Buddha, Bhagwan, Christ, Ayatollah Chomeniac, Georg W. Bush, Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung or A. H.

People suck words and wisdom from where they ever get, what fits for own ego-manifestation. At the end all ego-manifestation fail into death.

After death of the Fuehrer, the leader, the ''enlightened one''', the Christ... the disciples gain power , money and devotion. The chief-Disciples represent themselves as the new Fuehrer, the new leader, the new enlightened ones, the new Christ.... etc. ppp.....

These concepts fool people. Most concept-sellers fail, because they fool themselves.

So, dear readers: be aware of words, who will fool you

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Angelroze: What you're doing is okay. It's better to learn from the Bible than to learn from what they show on TV, for example. I'm not wanting to say that it's nonsense. I only want to say that there's more to God than you find in the Bible.

That means you should expand your vision of God and not stick to the Bible. It makes no difference whether the Euphrates is full this year or whether the rainy season will come later. It makes more difference what's inside your heart.

So, for you the Bible won't be enough. You have two options now. One would be to read other scriptures and believe them, too, and the other would be to understand the Bible in a way that makes you move beyond it.

Remember, Jesus said, don't trust the scholars. That means, don't trust the writings. Actually, Jesus was against the Old Testament, but that dude Paulus when he founded the Catholic Church thought it's not enough to only use the New Testament. He simply wanted more holy writings for his religion so that it looks more important.

Even the God of the Old Testament is fierce, is punishing people, is angry with the enemies of Israel, while the God of the New Testament is Love pure. It looks as if they were two different Gods. So big is the difference between Jesus and the Jews. (The Jews have the Old Testament as their dogma, and on that basis they killed Jesus because they were afraid about the religious revolution he would bring.)

And then this dude Paulus thought it's a good strategy to include the Old Testament into his library, because that would attract some Jews to convert to his new religion. But actually the contradiction between the Old and the New Testament is very big, and you won't reach a consensus between them.

So, Angelroze, what do you think of this? I only wanted to show you that you'll get mad if you want to believe everything the Bible says. It simply doesn't fit. You can't have a God of whom you are afraid because he'll punish you when you do wrong (what the Old Testament says), and at the same time a God who only loves you and forgives you everything you do, as Jesus described him.

Meaning, you have to use your judgment and decide what's better. Or you also can forget about all those writings and find the truth in your heart.

BTW, what if someone brings you a Bible from another planet, which is much better than the Bible of Israel. Would you prefer it?

Hey Roze

my take on religion is simply to ask whether or not God is Good, because anything less is unacceptable.  It seems to me that God would not be Good if people who were unable to know of Jesus had to go to hell.  Thus, I do not see Jesus as the only route to heaven, because many people through history could never have heard of Jesus, they were just too far away.  

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God is not in need of Jesus to tell you. American Indians often said that Jesus was a great shaman, but there have been lots of other shamen among them.

And God is not Good like you would think what good is. In your opinion it would maybe be good if there were no deserts on earth and everywhere is populated with people. If they all would live for 200 years and stuff. I think you'll understand God better if you transcend the concept of good and evil first.

well.. the way i see it, and heard it, and watever is that god is good.. and he says that no one in this planet earthj will not hear of jesus.. and his way. that everyone will hear and if they dont, they will fgo to heaven bcuzthey dont know better.. i realy dont know wta tos ay.. cept.. i dont know.. lol and joe.. lol thast blow up head thhing is jus ickey!! lol its kewl tho!! LOVe you all ROze

Love your life and be happy.  Love some else's version of your life and be miserable.

What is to be? Your version or a two thousand year version that has been garbled beyond recognition?

If you are to be a fool, at least stand up and be your own fool, not some one else's version of what you should be.  
To be otherwise is not to be couragous.

One question.  Are you happy now?  If you are in concert with your emotions, the answer will be Yes.
If not, throw whatever you have been taught and start over, you have been mistrained.  Your emotions will never lie to you.
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Now that was my straight answer from the heart.  But, there is a certain contrivance, a smell, my antennae trembles....  Why the effort to construct a naive, troubled type, the language took a lot of crafting to sound this simple.  Are you putting us on for enjoyment and to see how smart you are in fogging the folks of Brain-Mind.com? Or are you really this thick?  For instance; bcuz, wta. etc?  Pretty good, but the tip off is the effort to sound like O'Henry or maybe Runyon or Joyce, too good.  Do you know what I mean?  Tell us, we will appreciate it.  Otherwise, I will eat my normal portion of being wrong.  wink, wink.

Yes, Angelroze is a mystery... and in my opinion an innocent one... perfect in unintentional perfection. Otherwise she would be writing a new Finnegans Wake and would spent all her time on literary parties and late night talk shows, and not on the net.
But sweetheart, AR I hope you know how intense you are and how much energy you are getting. That´s your karma, I would say, if you were not a christian...
LOVE, Piratjenny

haha yea..i guess so im not happy but oh well huh? lol Roze lov eyou

Well, if you are not happy, enjoy not being happy. Make a big celebration out of it, tragic, gothic, bags under the eyes, drama de luxe.... Once you don´t resist it, the brain can snap you out of it. Never resist evil, as Jesus said. And yes, don´t argue with me, he did say that.  :) Piratjenny

haha yea.. wel i dont lke not being happy lol Roze

hahaha...yeah...lol, I did not say "like it". I said "enjoy it". If you don´t like enjoying it, then enjoy that you don´t like it.

But never mind. I know now what you don´t want. What DO you want? The most? PJ

inasense mrs FINAGINbeginSagin at the WAKEry
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For PJ,
I thought you might like this bit of nonsense.

haha enojoy it.. right! lol anyhow.. how you are all? ROze

Yes, John, I love nonsense. The more the better.  :D

Mysterious Sista Roze: I am fine, a little sore throat, a fewer. My feather are ruffled but I am still standing. Eating pasta soon. How is the men hunt going? LOve, PJ

haha love you guys too hope u throut gets better.. maybe you can give ti o me.. ROze

Hi ALL,
I wanted to Share this poem with you all of what God has done for me. Thanks for taking a minute to read. It comes from the heart, It comes from a heart that has been changed by the mighty hand of God. It comes from being set free from hurt, anger, depression, self destructive behavior. I of all people did not deserve his grace, mercy and now his Unconditional Love. IT is true.. God is love.. but my friends, he is so much more... If you confess your sin, your unbelief, and ask him into your heart, I want to let you know.. your life will NEVER be the same. You may have hard times.. but you are never alone in them. You may suffer things life throws your way. .but with Faith.. and trust in God.. you will be moved from them or go through them coming out knowing.. ALL things are possible through Christ Jesus who strengthens me! I am living proof! Not deserving.. but OH SO blessed to have him in my heart! Love ya'll.. you can do this.. and man if you do... trust me on this one...

I’m not the same as I used to be
This person you see, was not me
I was full of things this world gave
Now all gone, my life was saved

You filled me with joy and peace
Giving my soul sweet release
From the torment of pain and loss
Healing you gave from the Cross

Lord you are my strength
You are my life
I am set free
From fears and strife

My path is set in order
I will not waver or fall
Because you changed me Lord
When you became my all in all

I took the step of faith
I confessed I was full of sin
I then looked to you Lord
And ask you in

You didn’t have to do it
You didn’t have to forgive
But because your son died for me
Your love now lets me live

And Lord, the best yet to come
Sharing time with you and your son
Eternity you gave freely
With your unconditional love, I will live on….

sorry, but to me this poems reeks of an obnoxiously presumptuous ignorance, even if you believe with all of your heart that you had good intentions.

With any luck, you'll wake up.

I believe, and here's something a little further...I am a father. I love my children as 'most' fathers do. If we are all God's children, I have to believe he loves us on a level of love that maybe we don't understand just yet.
I don't feel as if he 'does' things to us, or tests us. He doesn't make us get in car wrecks, or gives us cancer...c'mon! He loves us, and in fact, I feel as if can help us from time to time. I've prayed for help (on extremely important things only, not jobs or money) and received it.
Anyhow, there is a very important part of this to mention...free will. He loves us so much that he gives us free will. So, this might translate into bad people doing bad things, but I like to concentrate on good people doing good things myself...it's all about love.
You might ask, "If he believes in free will, then why do you feel that he has helped you?"
My answer is that not everything is either/or in this world. No black/white, wet/dry, hot/cold. He gives us free will, but if we are really hurting, and there is something that can be done, and we ask, then he can help. Oftentimes, people just don't ask.
One last thing, IMO, to say "Is there a God?" suggests that there must be, at least from many people's perspective.

One more thing...God exists, but we as people might not have everything right. Who's to say that anyone on Earth is wrong? What if no one is wrong? Think of perspective on this. If I traveled to the moon, would I be going east, west, left, right, up down, north, south? The point is, being 'right' is only a matter of perspective. Creationists, and Evolutionists could both be somewhat right, for example.

Dear LgKing

I find resonance in the panentheist thoughts you express in the vein of Whitehead and others as well. You might like this man too.

Negative Imagination


"Negative imagination is a chief barrier to creative living. But- and here is great news-the dismissal of negative imagination is a chief contribution to peaceful days. Here again we have the principle that happiness is a ridding process; tranquility arrives as we lose our negativities, not as we acquire anything."

Psycho-Pictography, p. 214

Vernon Howard.