why the fuc am i here on this earth? what is this never ending observation that forever haunts my existance. this road to hell following the leader
cheering his name as we slowly pass gasping sill laughing as our lungs collaps im blasted on plastic gel tabs crafted by milton bradly its a badly drawn boy dashing faster than me crashing into you gladly smashing the stash of hash in the monsters mask paying cash so the buzz lasts running past glass the craft masters raft on rivers fast floating to freedom home so you can see them blink thinking of the time you were winking in the flowers thinking of time ticking backward in fact sinking quick recieving smacks reeking in the city lacking plastic or paper elastic galactic static ricoshaes an blackened my eyes crackin as the voice is laughin nomatic husla spittin rage eratic--- illmatic
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hello Jypsi,
sounds like you're experiencing the absurdity of it all.  But of course, this is mere perception.  My suggestion is to change things, either your state of mind, thoughts, perspective, or surroundings.  As to your first question, it's all a state of mind.  In some states, there are many answers, whereas in others, including some  ecstatic, manic, and mystical states, the question is utterly devoid of meaning.
Namaste,
Shawn
sounds like you're experiencing the absurdity of it all.  But of course, this is mere perception.  My suggestion is to change things, either your state of mind, thoughts, perspective, or surroundings.  As to your first question, it's all a state of mind.  In some states, there are many answers, whereas in others, including some  ecstatic, manic, and mystical states, the question is utterly devoid of meaning.
Namaste,
Shawn
I hope you're doing ok!
This is the first item I have ever read that has made me feel profoundly happy and yet sad at the same time.
That has taken some doing.
Best regards, Bill.
This is the first item I have ever read that has made me feel profoundly happy and yet sad at the same time.
That has taken some doing.
Best regards, Bill.
It is my personal belief that there is no real reason we exist that we were created from the dust that formed in the big bang and will always be little more than that.
I do however like to think that while we are here we should enjoy life to its fullest and live like everyday might be our last. After all it easily could be.
I do however like to think that while we are here we should enjoy life to its fullest and live like everyday might be our last. After all it easily could be.
Hello everybody this is my first time here!
hmmmm... i once wrote little poem on this topic (sorry if its a bit negative, i was sad at the time):
You're not a person, you idiot.
You're only a set of numbers and equations.
Your entire existence is summed up in one algorithm,
And yet you cannot accept the fact that eventually,
During another one of your artificial days,
Your divine yet egotistical creator,
Sitting at His 19 inch monitor,
Will realize that it's time He actually does something with His life,
Gets a girlfriend,
Goes to college,
And shuts you down.
I was wondering (perhaps after seeing the movie "the thirteenth floor") that maybe the universe we know is simply a simulation created by an especially talented programmer (or maybe a board of programmers?). But also that the world above this simulation is just another simulation, and that what some would call the multiverse is actually just an infinite series of simulations on top of each other. All of these universes, or realities, would then only live an implied existence, or perhaps a modification of a pantheistic God a la Spinoza? This uber-God consisting solely of mathematics, since all natural laws of each of the simulations are determined by their corresponding designers?
It would be a very curious situation if this was the case, because our reason for being here could be anything!!
I was wondering what some of the more experienced philosophs around here would say to such a possibility.
hmmmm... i once wrote little poem on this topic (sorry if its a bit negative, i was sad at the time):
You're not a person, you idiot.
You're only a set of numbers and equations.
Your entire existence is summed up in one algorithm,
And yet you cannot accept the fact that eventually,
During another one of your artificial days,
Your divine yet egotistical creator,
Sitting at His 19 inch monitor,
Will realize that it's time He actually does something with His life,
Gets a girlfriend,
Goes to college,
And shuts you down.
I was wondering (perhaps after seeing the movie "the thirteenth floor") that maybe the universe we know is simply a simulation created by an especially talented programmer (or maybe a board of programmers?). But also that the world above this simulation is just another simulation, and that what some would call the multiverse is actually just an infinite series of simulations on top of each other. All of these universes, or realities, would then only live an implied existence, or perhaps a modification of a pantheistic God a la Spinoza? This uber-God consisting solely of mathematics, since all natural laws of each of the simulations are determined by their corresponding designers?
It would be a very curious situation if this was the case, because our reason for being here could be anything!!
I was wondering what some of the more experienced philosophs around here would say to such a possibility.
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Philosophy can be a great way to ease the mind into accepting anything that makes sense. The ideas swirled about and filtered through current themes and foundations of reality last as long as the foundation survives. But like any house that is built even with the best of materials it succumbs to the changes of nature.
The 13th Floor as well as the Matrix, the Force in Star wars and even the dream in the Wizard of OZ all point to the power of the creative force within all of us, within all of creation. Depending on the size of you, it is entirely relative to interpretation.
From the personal perspective of individual reality it is connected to what we can understand and what we are capable of gathering into understanding. It is limited to boundaries, or if the mind is capable of transmuting experience back into its source, without any boundaries at all.
From the perspective of witnessing, the mind is capable of seeing itself create and experience the creation. These movies have been able to expand the awareness of those that have had these experiences and lead to more self enquiry.
There is no limit to the human condition other than what we artificially impose. Rather than think about it, you can experience it for your self. Why wait for someone to help you feel better about the thought when you can experience it for yourself. Learn to find yourself and then trust in who you are rather than let another tell you how it is only to live from their interpretations.
Joe,
Nearly several hundred posts and you are still making sweeping generalities, why do you not cut to the chase? Are you all gas bag? Get your head hands and ass out of the clouds and at least make some proclamations. You are all sweeping feelings and no information. How do we get saved? Give us some instruction, even though it might be little tiny stuff. Enough of the inspiration and cavorting. If you passed the plate now I would put nothing in it, for I have not received anything. There is a poetry section....
Now I know you must be writhing inside from my comments and you must try to straighten yourself out, so I will give you a little time to compose yourself after seeing the error of your ways.
Nearly several hundred posts and you are still making sweeping generalities, why do you not cut to the chase? Are you all gas bag? Get your head hands and ass out of the clouds and at least make some proclamations. You are all sweeping feelings and no information. How do we get saved? Give us some instruction, even though it might be little tiny stuff. Enough of the inspiration and cavorting. If you passed the plate now I would put nothing in it, for I have not received anything. There is a poetry section....
Now I know you must be writhing inside from my comments and you must try to straighten yourself out, so I will give you a little time to compose yourself after seeing the error of your ways.
It's all in the interpretation, or the willingness to see and hear.
Everything that is needed has been stated in my posts.
You are not ready nor are you willing to give up what you think is real to discover something even greater.
At least this is what you have been telling me.
Everything that is needed has been stated in my posts.
You are not ready nor are you willing to give up what you think is real to discover something even greater.
At least this is what you have been telling me.
Joe,
By your determination or God's determination? Come on say it. You speak for Him, do you not? Finally get it out. You know that you are God and are in direct touch with Him, are you not? You say we are all God, but you are exceptional. You are in direct touch with Him. Well let Him speak. Do not restrict His voice because of some little rebel like me. Don't let me stop you. After all, you have to contain extra power. But why is it you have to sell Him? Do something that makes His wisdom apparant. Why are you just words on the internet if you have developed this relationship? You can be my best friend or my worst enemy? You have yet to prove yourself either. I think you are possessed alright, but in a different way then you think. Now I know that I know more than you do, so I will let you meditate on this.
By your determination or God's determination? Come on say it. You speak for Him, do you not? Finally get it out. You know that you are God and are in direct touch with Him, are you not? You say we are all God, but you are exceptional. You are in direct touch with Him. Well let Him speak. Do not restrict His voice because of some little rebel like me. Don't let me stop you. After all, you have to contain extra power. But why is it you have to sell Him? Do something that makes His wisdom apparant. Why are you just words on the internet if you have developed this relationship? You can be my best friend or my worst enemy? You have yet to prove yourself either. I think you are possessed alright, but in a different way then you think. Now I know that I know more than you do, so I will let you meditate on this.
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| Joe, By your determination or God's determination? Â Come on say it. Â You speak for Him, do you not? Â Finally get it out. Â You know that you are God and are in direct touch with Him, are you not? Â You say we are all God, but you are exceptional. Â You are in direct touch with Him. Â Well let Him speak. Â Do not restrict His voice because of some little rebel like me. Â Don't let me stop you. Â After all, you have to contain extra power. Â But why is it you have to sell Him? Â Do something that makes His wisdom apparant. Â Why are you just words on the internet if you have developed this relationship? Â You can be my best friend or my worst enemy? Â You have yet to prove yourself either. Â I think you are possessed alright, but in a different way then you think. Â Now I know that I know more than you do, so I will let you meditate on this. |
Your wish is my command. I shall meditate on your superiority. (This is God speaking by the way.)
what was the result of this medidation?
There is no separation, what he sees in me he sees as himself.
Not being able to handle this due to low self worth, has a hard time dealing with it.
(Oh by the way I didn't have to meditate on this it is a given, but I'm sure it makes him feel better if it looks like he needs the attention and I can oblige him with the thought)
Not being able to handle this due to low self worth, has a hard time dealing with it.
(Oh by the way I didn't have to meditate on this it is a given, but I'm sure it makes him feel better if it looks like he needs the attention and I can oblige him with the thought)
Joe,
This is what I had indicated about you. Your words of wisdom from Patingali turn into teen age arguments once you get off his foot path. Yoiur demeanor is that of a argumentative little boy in a squabble with his brother, No, your a rat; No, your the rat; no; your the rat. Grow up and take this nonsense some place else.
I would refer people to look at your exchange with Dan on the Singularity board to see how juvinile you can be.
This is what I had indicated about you. Your words of wisdom from Patingali turn into teen age arguments once you get off his foot path. Yoiur demeanor is that of a argumentative little boy in a squabble with his brother, No, your a rat; No, your the rat; no; your the rat. Grow up and take this nonsense some place else.
I would refer people to look at your exchange with Dan on the Singularity board to see how juvinile you can be.
Get a grip John You take some things way too seriously.
Joey says
ok, this must also mean that what Joey sees in Synch he sees as himself
then Joey says
so, class, what does Joey see as himself? Â low self worth, maybe?Â
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ok, this must also mean that what Joey sees in Synch he sees as himself
then Joey says
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so, class, what does Joey see as himself? Â low self worth, maybe?Â
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Absolutely.
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what happened to 'low self worth'? ???
are you somehow immune? Â is this one of the perks of being the 'master'? Â
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are you somehow immune? Â is this one of the perks of being the 'master'? Â
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The perks of Consciousness is not having to identify with all of the many things. Just the One thing that the many ideas spring from.
In this you are everything but then all things are just the One consciousness.
It does give you the freedom to sit in the movie without getting personally involved.
Joe,
Yes, we are all amused. It seems the only one to be forgiven for little mistakes is you. Regard:
"Posted by: synchronox Posted on: Jun 26th, 2003, 7:12pm
Joe,
This is what I had indicated about you. Your words of wisdom from Patingali turn into teen age arguments once you get off his foot path. Yoiur demeanor is that of a argumentative little boy in a squabble with his brother, No, your a rat; No, your the rat; no; your the rat. Grow up and take this nonsense some place else.
I would refer people to look at your exchange with Dan on the Singularity board to see how juvinile you can be.
Posted by: preacher joe Posted on: Jun 26th, 2003, 8:51pm
Get a grip John You take some things way too seriously.
Me: I see, you didn't mean what you said, just in this instance? You were just sportin' and cavortin'. With your lead heavy personality?
Well, I am going to give you a way out, don't panic, I know you cannot be greatful.
I don't like being caught between a rock and a hard place. Shawn does not want anyone disturbed. If it were up to me, I would have banned your posting until you decided to be an equal in this community.
Shawn, by this post please drop me as moderator. I retain the right to heckle and add comments myself until banned. Thanks for the use of the board.
( No, Shawn did not contact me recently, this is my idea). Your field.
Yes, we are all amused. It seems the only one to be forgiven for little mistakes is you. Regard:
"Posted by: synchronox Posted on: Jun 26th, 2003, 7:12pm
Joe,
This is what I had indicated about you. Your words of wisdom from Patingali turn into teen age arguments once you get off his foot path. Yoiur demeanor is that of a argumentative little boy in a squabble with his brother, No, your a rat; No, your the rat; no; your the rat. Grow up and take this nonsense some place else.
I would refer people to look at your exchange with Dan on the Singularity board to see how juvinile you can be.
Posted by: preacher joe Posted on: Jun 26th, 2003, 8:51pm
Get a grip John You take some things way too seriously.
Me: I see, you didn't mean what you said, just in this instance? You were just sportin' and cavortin'. With your lead heavy personality?
Well, I am going to give you a way out, don't panic, I know you cannot be greatful.
I don't like being caught between a rock and a hard place. Shawn does not want anyone disturbed. If it were up to me, I would have banned your posting until you decided to be an equal in this community.
Shawn, by this post please drop me as moderator. I retain the right to heckle and add comments myself until banned. Thanks for the use of the board.
( No, Shawn did not contact me recently, this is my idea). Your field.
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Hi jypsi, I am in a very similar position to yourself. I have no way to answer your question, but i can say that i have found a temporary resting place in thinking the way that many people on this board do.
I don't feel that this is the whole answer, and i'm "Just visiting", i can't imagine sticking around for any length of time, maybe this experience will just become a paragraph on a page of my own website!
For me it's helping, at very least taking mind mind off other more pressing things.
if you had a calling in life, a mission, a life's work to accomplish, then you probably wouldn't be pressed to ask the question, 'Why am I here on Earth'. You need purpose, meaning, in your life. That purpose can be as nebulous as seeking to get closer to God or Truth, and it can also be something very concrete.
What is your purpose in life? Only YOU can answer that. But the man without purpose in life is a man not fit for life and not deserving of life.
What is your purpose in life? Only YOU can answer that. But the man without purpose in life is a man not fit for life and not deserving of life.
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well, dumbass pbbtttbtbbtbttbt that's where Synch and I are coming from! Â We are just watching the 'Joey' film clip, and are making impersonal and uninvolved 'remarks'
Oh good, then we are all on the same page.
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John,
I forgive you.
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John,
I forgive you.
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forgive Synch for what? are you feeling personally involved or something?
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Ahh! The taste of freedom. To be one's own person at last!
Joe, honey, sweetie, You think you can get away with it?
To preach one thing and then to come in here and cram it egocentrically down everyone's throat, behind the viel of being in touch personally with a God that made us all?
Why you arrogant, narcissistic, ass.
Time for some reverse crammin'
I suggest you stick close to Patangali and not offer anymore personal ego positions. In this game of guruship, your not allowed to speak out of both sides of your mouth.
Hi Dan
Joe, honey, sweetie, You think you can get away with it?
To preach one thing and then to come in here and cram it egocentrically down everyone's throat, behind the viel of being in touch personally with a God that made us all?
Why you arrogant, narcissistic, ass.
Time for some reverse crammin'
I suggest you stick close to Patangali and not offer anymore personal ego positions. In this game of guruship, your not allowed to speak out of both sides of your mouth.
Hi Dan
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| Shawn, by this post please drop me as moderator. Â I retain the right to heckle and add comments myself until banned. Â Thanks for the use of the board. |
hello John,
you're very welcome. Â If you're certain of wanting to step down as moderator, then it will be done. Â I'm grateful for your contributions as moderator, even through the rough times, and would ask you to reconsider, but respect your decision. Â
Don't worry about getting banned. Â Unless you suddenly morph into an obnoxious board troll, it's not going to happen.
take care,
Shawn
here's to the coming tidal wave!
;D
;D
Whoohoo!
I 'm so glad you aren't compromising your real feelings any more John.
I 'm so glad you aren't compromising your real feelings any more John.
Here we go.
You and your emotional response:
"Whoohoo!
me: primitive, like an icycle up the butt. But an emotion.
Whoohoo?
I 'm so glad you aren't compromising your real feelings any more John.
me: As we see you are capable of , Joe.
Let us see:
Emotions- about a 100%, enough for passion.
Thinking: Systems check-this is an unconscious complexed juvinile type of male. Usually Southern. Had to take care of three kids. Father did not love him for who he was. Unreasonable and stern. He is getting even. Had a sibling that did not cooperate, got him in trouble all the time. Put him in a double bind. Went numb with God. Good escape plan. Beginning premise-easy to change as information comes in.
Intuition: Kooky, Action of male does not square with stated position. He sticks with the easy answers, avoids the rest.
Sensate: Funny here. Denies feet of clay. Believes he is god. no compromise. but must get point across when challenged. Ego, unconscious projection. Negative oriented. Inflated. Dellusional at times. Cannot hold a job. Too unstable, fellow workers complain about raving. Wife glad to ber out of house, hides her feelings. Feigned-------.
Assessments are always wrong, but, first you make them and then you get closer.
You and your emotional response:
"Whoohoo!
me: primitive, like an icycle up the butt. But an emotion.
Whoohoo?
I 'm so glad you aren't compromising your real feelings any more John.
me: As we see you are capable of , Joe.
Let us see:
Emotions- about a 100%, enough for passion.
Thinking: Systems check-this is an unconscious complexed juvinile type of male. Usually Southern. Had to take care of three kids. Father did not love him for who he was. Unreasonable and stern. He is getting even. Had a sibling that did not cooperate, got him in trouble all the time. Put him in a double bind. Went numb with God. Good escape plan. Beginning premise-easy to change as information comes in.
Intuition: Kooky, Action of male does not square with stated position. He sticks with the easy answers, avoids the rest.
Sensate: Funny here. Denies feet of clay. Believes he is god. no compromise. but must get point across when challenged. Ego, unconscious projection. Negative oriented. Inflated. Dellusional at times. Cannot hold a job. Too unstable, fellow workers complain about raving. Wife glad to ber out of house, hides her feelings. Feigned-------.
Assessments are always wrong, but, first you make them and then you get closer.
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Lets hope so, and also lets hope you are getting close to what you really want to know.
Don't you feel better now that you can allow yourself to express without the burden of thinking you were supposed to behave a certain way?
I have faith that after the stress is moved from limiting yourself and stuffing your desires and need to express that the real John will begin to shine.
Joe,
You said:
" Lets hope so, and also lets hope you are getting close to what you really want to know.
Don't you feel better now that you can allow yourself to express without the burden of thinking you were supposed to behave a certain way?
I have faith that after the stress is moved from limiting yourself and stuffing your desires and need to express that the real John will begin to shine. "
See, Joe, if you examine what you are saying you are really trying to mold and shape me.
Hoping I am getting close to what I really want......feel better......allow myself....stress...stuffing your desires...need to express...the real John.
You don't know a thing about me. Â I have been putting you on to see how much someone with your affliction would open up and expose just how much they can project. Â You re dead unconscious Joe. Â Get some help before you go over the edge. Â Although I must admit I despise your kind, you, that have it all figured out, convince the gullible and desparate, and that is when the poison bottle comes out. Â You are a sick man, Joe, your behavior on this board shows it.
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"Almost everyone who has read history in a more than casual manner knows
that when the great figure of God appears in a controversy, the
shooting cannot be far off.
-- Stewart H. Holbrook"
You said:
" Lets hope so, and also lets hope you are getting close to what you really want to know.
Don't you feel better now that you can allow yourself to express without the burden of thinking you were supposed to behave a certain way?
I have faith that after the stress is moved from limiting yourself and stuffing your desires and need to express that the real John will begin to shine. "
See, Joe, if you examine what you are saying you are really trying to mold and shape me.
Hoping I am getting close to what I really want......feel better......allow myself....stress...stuffing your desires...need to express...the real John.
You don't know a thing about me. Â I have been putting you on to see how much someone with your affliction would open up and expose just how much they can project. Â You re dead unconscious Joe. Â Get some help before you go over the edge. Â Although I must admit I despise your kind, you, that have it all figured out, convince the gullible and desparate, and that is when the poison bottle comes out. Â You are a sick man, Joe, your behavior on this board shows it.
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Edit for above:
"Almost everyone who has read history in a more than casual manner knows
that when the great figure of God appears in a controversy, the
shooting cannot be far off.
-- Stewart H. Holbrook"
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Paranoia strikes deep John.
No one can influence another without the acceptance of influencing factors and their ideas as truths within the reality that there are no victims. You have drawn all things towards you John in your creation of life to achieve your highest goals.
Of course once you get all the petty crap out of the way like....
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...Your need to separate yourself from what you have created and condemn your world at the same time, then one can get to the nature of ones truest and highest desire.
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Well if I am wrong and your goal is revenge on Joe then I would say you have set your standard in life kind of low.
Even giving up your position of moderator to seek your revenge would lead me to think that you are still obsessing over this petty goal that you have, but I'm confidant that once the stress has released that you will realize a higher more fulfilling goal than obsessing over me.
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| Although I must admit I despise your kind, you, that have it all figured out, convince the gullible and desparate, and that is when the poison bottle comes out. You are a sick man, Joe, your behavior on this board shows it. |
Tsk Tsk John, I'd say you have a real problem with people of Faith. And the ideas you project about them.... I hope you can see more in life and what it contains, than to continue to be the Martyr over this principle of yours.
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Ego will know no boundaries including self destruction to protect its control and illusions of fear.
Joe,
You are here to pass my test.
You came here to me.
You know that your song is masked agression sung in a mono-maniacal tone, that you are trying to pursuade everyone to accept. That is the conscious reason for you coming here and trying to convert everyone over to your way of observing the world.
Common sense would dictate that anyone that truely had the direct connection to a plane of existance higher than the one we experience here would not spend time on a tiny site on the internet trying to extoll the virtures of that power. It would be a great misuse of resource.
Especially to waste the effort on people that do not accept the proclamation. So what is the agenda of a small potato blowhard?
You have a nagging suspicion that you are wrong.
You are here for my test.
That is the unconscious reason you are here.
There is no way you can get away.
"Humans.....what a concept" is a direct revelation of your condition. Joe, you must have gone through a lot of pain to arrive at this stance.
"I never judge" shows the 180 degree divergence of what you say and what you do. I know you believe this to be true. It is unconscious behavior that is obvious to a great many folks here.
It is time for you to give up your teaching robes and substitute them for the clothing of the student, if you are going to get well.
Your first lesson is you cannot get rid of the ego.
You are who you are.
You partner with the one on the inside, if you deny yourself an ego you shortchange the whole system.
I would reference again the devastation that has been wrecked on countries that use meditation and withdrawal from the ego as a prime motivator. Explain India abandoned by its ruling class. It is the ego's job to interface with the physical world.
Study this lesson before your next bray.
You are here to pass my test.
You came here to me.
You know that your song is masked agression sung in a mono-maniacal tone, that you are trying to pursuade everyone to accept. That is the conscious reason for you coming here and trying to convert everyone over to your way of observing the world.
Common sense would dictate that anyone that truely had the direct connection to a plane of existance higher than the one we experience here would not spend time on a tiny site on the internet trying to extoll the virtures of that power. It would be a great misuse of resource.
Especially to waste the effort on people that do not accept the proclamation. So what is the agenda of a small potato blowhard?
You have a nagging suspicion that you are wrong.
You are here for my test.
That is the unconscious reason you are here.
There is no way you can get away.
"Humans.....what a concept" is a direct revelation of your condition. Joe, you must have gone through a lot of pain to arrive at this stance.
"I never judge" shows the 180 degree divergence of what you say and what you do. I know you believe this to be true. It is unconscious behavior that is obvious to a great many folks here.
It is time for you to give up your teaching robes and substitute them for the clothing of the student, if you are going to get well.
Your first lesson is you cannot get rid of the ego.
You are who you are.
You partner with the one on the inside, if you deny yourself an ego you shortchange the whole system.
I would reference again the devastation that has been wrecked on countries that use meditation and withdrawal from the ego as a prime motivator. Explain India abandoned by its ruling class. It is the ego's job to interface with the physical world.
Study this lesson before your next bray.
India's present condition is a result of the same thinking you have about what should and shouldn't be.
About what God looks like and what Ego is.
The distortion of basic principles of the Self, Reason and purpose of life.
About what God looks like and what Ego is.
The distortion of basic principles of the Self, Reason and purpose of life.
Joe,
Just answer the question.
Projecting on me is not an answer.
Vague, intuitive answers like God, ego, reason, Self do not constitute an answer either. This is just thrashing about with stock phrases. You cannot hide out in the right brain. This world demands the attention of the left brain. Use it, don't deny it.
First lesson, You cannot get rid of the ego, it is integral to your psyche.
Second lesson, A one note stance ruins the ability to be fluid. Use both halves of your brain Joe, not one side. This stance makes you lopsided.
Just answer the question.
Projecting on me is not an answer.
Vague, intuitive answers like God, ego, reason, Self do not constitute an answer either. This is just thrashing about with stock phrases. You cannot hide out in the right brain. This world demands the attention of the left brain. Use it, don't deny it.
First lesson, You cannot get rid of the ego, it is integral to your psyche.
Second lesson, A one note stance ruins the ability to be fluid. Use both halves of your brain Joe, not one side. This stance makes you lopsided.
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I thought I did. The only question or request I saw was "Explain India abandoned by its ruling class."
The rest was your descriptions or interpretations of your ongoing stress or obsession in trying to distort what I have said in favor of your attempt to find yourself.
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I wouldn't think of it
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I allow the use of both hemispheres balanced in perfect harmony.
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Your interpretation of Ego is misunderstood in regards to its application to Vedic traditions and my usage of Egos death. Seems you are insistant in applying your version to my statements. I can't help you there John. You haven't reached a level of experience yet to experience what I have described.
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I have heard you say the studies you are making are far from complete in your interpretations and conclusions of what this vision would look like to use both hemispheres to live and perceive life.
I am curious how you make the interpretation about me when you have not yet understood this in yourself.
Joe,
Were you also suckled by an attorney?
You can't seem to answer questions directly.
The progression goes, 50, 70, 90, etc. in my understanding of who you represent yourself to be.
The details of the larger picture come last.
In your case, I know who you were before too much time had elapsed.
About 30% bullshit, about 70% horseshit. Â Look up Art Kleps on Google for the enlightenment.
You are encased in claptrap for the moment.
There was a famous case about hard core pornography. Â One of the presiding judges swung the court when he said:
"I know hard core pornography when I see it"
Having seen you, Joe, I know who you are when I saw you."
Third lesson, get out of your own skinbag, you will will always come up with a way to fool yourself. Â Your perception of yourself will always be false if you only have yourself as an advisor.
First, you can't lose your own ego, it is impossible.
Second, use all that  you possess. not a subset.
Third, you will always fool yourself if you are into the self fondling game.
I can see from your responses who you are, not what you proclaim to be. There is no use trying to define yourself, you speak with a great loudness. Thus is the way of a fool. Self proclamation.
Were you also suckled by an attorney?
You can't seem to answer questions directly.
The progression goes, 50, 70, 90, etc. in my understanding of who you represent yourself to be.
The details of the larger picture come last.
In your case, I know who you were before too much time had elapsed.
About 30% bullshit, about 70% horseshit. Â Look up Art Kleps on Google for the enlightenment.
You are encased in claptrap for the moment.
There was a famous case about hard core pornography. Â One of the presiding judges swung the court when he said:
"I know hard core pornography when I see it"
Having seen you, Joe, I know who you are when I saw you."
Third lesson, get out of your own skinbag, you will will always come up with a way to fool yourself. Â Your perception of yourself will always be false if you only have yourself as an advisor.
First, you can't lose your own ego, it is impossible.
Second, use all that  you possess. not a subset.
Third, you will always fool yourself if you are into the self fondling game.
I can see from your responses who you are, not what you proclaim to be. There is no use trying to define yourself, you speak with a great loudness. Thus is the way of a fool. Self proclamation.
here's something for all you late nighters: http://www.goddimension.com/
a site I stumbled across randomly. I promise I'm not affiliated with it in any way, but thought some members here might find it of interest.
a site I stumbled across randomly. I promise I'm not affiliated with it in any way, but thought some members here might find it of interest.
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| here's something for all you late nighters: Â http://www.goddimension.com/ a site I stumbled across randomly. Â I promise I'm not affiliated with it in any way, but thought some members here might find it of interest. |
Interesting letter isn't it.
For those that are paying attention, the planet is awakening.
The desire to know more about the relationship of ourselves to the world around us and more importantly Who we are, is becoming a building wave.
I hear stories from hundreds of individuals who have had these exalted experiences, these peaks/peeks into the depths of creation and themselves.
Like popcorn, people are popping into greater awareness, one after another.
Joe,
See how much better you are getting?
You sound almost normal when you get out of your own skinbag or are not aggressively attacking someone.
Hundreds of people, huh? Well, a little fib since you are doing so well.
See how much better you are getting?
You sound almost normal when you get out of your own skinbag or are not aggressively attacking someone.
Hundreds of people, huh? Well, a little fib since you are doing so well.
This is a stage of progress! We are finally realizing something positive.
This is excellent!
[img]http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/smiley-faces7.gif[/img] Whoohoo!!!!
This is excellent!
[img]http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/smiley-faces7.gif[/img] Whoohoo!!!!
The question that seems to remain unanwered is 'why does Joe, being in touch with God, knowing the truth, etc, come here?' We are here to discuss and progress together, not to be taught by someone who thinks they already know the answers.
This is a good start but to progress together into union is to take the self back into the Self.
There is always only one person in the room.
There is always only one person in the room.
That didn't answer the question. What I believe is 'progress' is not necessarily the same as what you belive it is.
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I answered the question.
I have some for you.
Do you question everything that comes to you?
Do you feel a victim to reality?
Do you feel better having a reason for everything so that you can maintain the feeling of comfort?
Having defined reasons, do they help maintain a belief in control?
Have you ever asked yourself what creates the word around you and if you have any part in creating it?
When you get sick do you ask yourself why you got sick and do you get an answer? Â
In answer to your questions,
1) No, I don't have the time. I question philosophical ideas.
2)No.
3)I don't have a reason for anything on a basic level.
4)Please explain this question, I don't really understand it.
5)Yes
6)On the level of germs, viruses, etc, yes. On a deeper level, no.
1) No, I don't have the time. I question philosophical ideas.
2)No.
3)I don't have a reason for anything on a basic level.
4)Please explain this question, I don't really understand it.
5)Yes
6)On the level of germs, viruses, etc, yes. On a deeper level, no.
To elaborate on #4, I was referring to a need to have answers to your questions and whether you are open to the answer coming in a different way than you might expect it to look.
On an intellectual level we often fall into the trap of expectations when life offers choices. We see posibilities that we project rather than receive openly the unexpected.
To look at life with the eyes of an opportunist certain paradigms need to be broken in regards to expectations and linear thinking.
If you project your future ahead of you then pretty much you will just see what you are able to see within the projected boundaries.
If you don't ask questions then the world will revolve around complacency of thought and the knowns of past impressions.
On an intellectual level we often fall into the trap of expectations when life offers choices. We see posibilities that we project rather than receive openly the unexpected.
To look at life with the eyes of an opportunist certain paradigms need to be broken in regards to expectations and linear thinking.
If you project your future ahead of you then pretty much you will just see what you are able to see within the projected boundaries.
If you don't ask questions then the world will revolve around complacency of thought and the knowns of past impressions.
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