synchronox
May 23, 2003, 07:19 PM
Shawn,
Thanks for asking. Â Of course, trying to explain this is to attempt to pack four years of university training into one post. Â Or attempting to describe Africa in one letter.
Geting that disclaimer out of the way, I shall be foolhardy enough to try. Â I started by taking a three year course in study in Jungian thought and apprenticing to the best Jungian I could find. Â A man trained in both the oral and tradional sides of Jung.
Jung was the best of the visionary philosophers around.
Being a Swiss and an MD, he disguised his shamanistic tendencies under this cloak. Â He also believed he was the actual grandson of Goethe through a liason of his grandmother.
I decided to take this training, because of our history indicating that the visionary world was the seedbank of all new invention. Â Actually this was the second reason. Â I had had a 'successful' life in the materialistic world and was totally dissatisfied with who I was at the time. Â I also felt I was a fraud and had 'fooled' the world. Â My life was truly empty at forty three and in spite of my physical success I was a mental failure. Â This was the true first reason.
I tell you this to begin to answer your question. Â This condition of mine ws so strong as to cause the formation of a desire to find out what the answer was at any cost. Â It formed the basis for an 'intentionality' that is the major building block of this work on the visionary side. Â I had a cosmic experience of a voice that talked to me saying that if I continued my ways I would be dead by the end of the year. Â The voice spoke to me in October of 1979. Â I was determined to recontact this voice and have it turn on. Â If it would speak to me once, perhaps I could get it to do it again. Â I investigated every culture, movement and religion to try to find the answer. Â That is what led me to Jung. Â And to his discovery of a certain type of dream that advises.
He studied the Alchemists of the Middle Ages and was the first to decode what they were doing.
There are four major types of dreams. Â The investigator of the visionary world picks out what type he wants to see with his intentionality. Â The key missing ingredient in dream studies. Â Everyone dreams a common ordinary garden variety type of dream that has to do with the updating of memory systems. Â That is what science encounters and sees its residue is just 'the wastepaper basket of the mind. Â This not the type of dream that is the carrier of what I speak to.
Next is to have the intention to focus on certain areas.
So, the training is really on the areas of focus after the right type of dream has been selected. Â If this is not done, anything that is resident on the other side can pop up. Â A 'God' connection is there as well and if encountered without preperation and understanding, can inflate and overwhelm the recipient, giving the belief that the receiver is omnipotent.
Words are pale copies of what the process is. Â The person with a drive and desire to fnd out this information does not have to generate the effort of Hercules to get in touch. Â The encounter and correct entity is right there. Â One of the names I call him is the dream maker. Â His intelligence is astounding. Â He suggests and guides, never demands. Â The first job is to clean up the psyche, ridding it of instructions of others.
The dreams interlock, have amazing structure and content. Â They are metaphoric as a good teaching story should be. Dreams of this nature are the beginning tools of this investigation
I'll stop here for breath and see if I have half answered your question
Best,
John
Timothy_417
May 23, 2003, 08:17 PM
I'm skipping ahead, so I apologize if I regress into old arguments.
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| Why not? It was a moment that had no past, but only presence and future. Time started to flow. I see no problem in that. |
This seems me, an inaccurate way to define the moment of singularity. I concur with ID in that it is absurd to speak of the period before time as if the qualifer 'before' imposed something meaningful upon a context which is fundamentally non-temporal. This moment is a moment, which not only had no past, but in which no past is even possible. You can speak, if you wish, of the universe as a property of some static metaverse, or you can posit an infinite regression of causation, you can relinquish cause and effect altogether, or you can resort to that old unmoved mover theorem. I don't know of any alternatives, other than these, unless we want to abandon our body of axiomatic knowledge (then we know nothing--and maybe we do). If you do, let me know, or not know, whichever the case may be.
What is this mental-super-ability stuff you guys are talking about?
synchronox
May 24, 2003, 06:24 AM
Hello Timothy,
It was about time you showed up (Forgive me, I love puns).
To play some more, maybe the scalar point of the singularity is multi-demensional like a tiny space ship. Playing should be the only sport that is used to make this investigation, perhaps. A breaking back into boyhood to replay what should have been lovely times, IYKWIM.
You inquired:
"What is this mental-super-ability stuff you guys are talking about? "
I am trying to organize a part of our being that has been in chaos. Perhaps I have an narcissistic disorder. but what the hell. The only assumtion I can make is to attempt to do the impossible. To attempt to explain in simplistic terms, (something that I have to do in order to stay grounded), we have nailed down one side of the equation: reason and logic. The other side of our being is the visionary side. A vast field containing all that we do not know and can not see except for the occassional visionaire that comes up with a spontaneous chunk every now and again. In order to do this, I allow myself the freedom to make mistakes knowing truth will later appear to heal those mistakes. For me, it is an exciting undertaking, an exploration of the unknown. I think the underpinnings of consciousness lie in this direction. This belongs to everyone, so come join. You are very intelligent I see, so bear with me.
Timothy_417
May 24, 2003, 05:47 PM
Hm, I tend to view consciousness, reason, logic, and all other aspects of the human organism as the evolutionary by-product of self-replicating genes. Not that I like that point of view, but it makes sense to me.
who knows
May 29, 2003, 11:19 PM
first i wanna appologise caus ei dont know what ru taling about but i will say what i have.
that day god decided to create his unencrypted "CODE"
the code that cntains his truth ,that contains his way of existing his experience his nature his situation ,he decided to give what he owns to the race that he chose it between billions of samples ,that race that we call it humans.
i asked myself what god is that?what perfect god is that ? he chose the human being to be his favorite race,then i smiled and i looked to myself :he chose me !
he chose this soul !this weak body this limited mind this logical specie!"what a shame"
by saying that humans do not deserve this offer i realised that god is not the most perfect phenomena in this existense.but obviously i was wrong.
" WE WILL NOT BE LIKE THAT FOREVER"
this existense is not complicated at all .
starting with our specie
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we will never be like that forever ,theire is a kind of classificastion by levels
we could be right now in level 1 or in the level 2 who knows!
evry level depends onm its universe thats mean we are in level 1 so we are in the universe 1 that it deserve this level .
i will consider that we are living right now in level 1
our race will live for a periode of time and then he will vanish in one day the earht will vanish this whle universe will be destroyed . then ur souls will be disactivated and this soul will be replaced by aniother one more devolopped and better then the last one this soul will create a better mind with a new universe with a new logic new laws evruthing will change and this race will continue byt doing evolutions to the moment that they will be in the final universe where they will know the whole truth of god and the whole truth of his way of existing and we will be "little gods"
synchronox
May 30, 2003, 07:59 AM
Who knows,
It is better for an equal playing field if you did not have the advantage of anonimity. The people that are registered have to stand there own ground and be counted for who they are. I do not think people want to risk talking with someone that prefers to remain cloaked.
It appears that you have something to say. Come join us as we all try to work things out.
synchronox
May 30, 2003, 08:15 AM
Timothy,
I have taken the time to work on this theory of mine over the years, spending some time on what our DNA is and how it might fit into the two world theory. Â Not to have an answer for everything, but to do as thorough an investigation as possible.
We have two pools of DNA. Â One pool is expressed or painted on our chromosomic map that describes who we are. Â This about 80,000 to 100,000 DNA pairs representing ~10 to the 26 possibilities. Â These possibilities are each of our individual nature. Â Color of hair, personality, intelligence level, etc.
The second pool is a group of unexpressed DNA, a pool if each bit is mutiplied in this group that if expressed would result in 10 to the 2.8 billion possibilities.  This second group is called 'piggyback' genes by those that study genes or they are of a virus pool as an alternative theory to explain their existance. I believe my theory to be much more elegant and pleasing to those with a more philosophic nature.
I equate the first group with consciousness in its early stages of development and the second group with the potential of who we are capable of becoming-the contents of our entire unconscious.
One man, the other God (He certainly would appear this way to man with this enormous disparity).
It is wonderful to play without the restraints of science, of course always with the intent of returning with the meat of the hunt. If only to balance our dual and reciprocal ways.
Patrick Keenan
Jul 17, 2003, 11:50 PM
The notion "the beginning of time" is laughable. Just because we measured a couple of units to our own primative perceptions and scales of the known universe and a couple of coincidences thrown in, we still have no idea what we talk about when we refer to "time". Its just another way to measure things, which eventually leads to depression. In my opinion, time is pure science (fiction), has little meanig in the creation of the Universe and i think we all have the wrong end of the stick. I always refer to the Universe like a chilld lost in a cave with a flashlight. Every few steps he finds something new but still has no idea where he is going. My question is, if this child was immortal and the cave was infinite, what bearing has time on anything?
seanf
Jul 18, 2003, 07:56 AM
Patrick, time is in no way meaningless, as it is central to our way of experiencing the universe, and is also necessary for causality, upon which practically all reasoning is based. As for us not knowing what we mean when we refer to time, you could argue that we don't really know what we mean when we refer to anything - and you might well be right.
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