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Hey veda   I would love to know where you are coming from and what your angle is? You seem to be pro ascension but anti religion. You know about buddhism, but you claim to no nothing of the ego and my "experiment" post helped you get started!   You don't like self righteously intellectually superior people, and yet you can speak the same language and in the same style as Joe.   I'm confused, help me out

well i decided this is a whole new topic that needs a whole new thread. but dont expect the whole answer, becuz i think it would turn into a really long boring ramble, mosty likely a big bummer to type out all at once and maybe a big bummer to read, so im gonna try to keep it as brief as i can.
im kinda not sure where to start...

"...and yet you can speak the same language and in the same style as Joe..."
hmmm was that ment to be a compliment or a dig at me? not sure if i should be offended or not!  ;D


well like i said b4, my nick was veda before i ever heard about any of this mystical indian stuff, but i guess it was only a matter of time before somebody said soething to me about the vedas (which i have still never read) and the bhagavad gita (which i have read) and i think a person would have to live under a rock to have never heard about the ego or karma or the dali lama or buddha.
so theres that.

and about your experiment, well i dont mean to say i kno nothing about the ego, becuz of course i have one and i seen em in action, just that im not really clear on how to totally let go of it. and it wasnt your experiment that got me started, it was your experiment that made me realize that i already have started. i cant really take credit for that tho, like its a personal accomplishment or anything becuz  it seems like it just happened without me realizing it. of course im still me with my thoghts and worries and mood-swings, but i have gotten a little bit less self-centered i guess you could say, less ego-centric, not becuz i decided to or even wanted to, but it just kinda happened somehow in a slow and subtle way. i dont kno if itll keep going, to be honest, i dont want to give up my me-ness i dont want to lose my personality - that idea is just scary and weird to me. maybe it would mean giving up on my sadness nad depression and fear but would it also mean giving up my uniqueness (which i think is a good thing) and giving up my joys?
so theres that.

like a lot of people, i dont really dig organized religion, it seems that today's so called 'christianity' has totally lost/forgotten the teachings of Christ. jerry fallwell, pat robertson, the pentecostals, people like that are so un-Christ like and bogus it makes me sad and angry what they have done. that is so NOT what christianity is about. this is why i think many of these people (who teach their perverted fake brands of christianity) are in their hearts really atheists. becuz if they read and understood the bible and the teachings of Jesus, and they really did believe, they wouldnt act like that.
so really im not anti-religion, im anti-pseudo-religion. i mean, a philosophy of love, compassion, sharing, embracing good and rejecting evil -who in their right mind would be against that? but self-righteousness, dogmatism and intolerance, these things have nothin to do with love and compassion. anybody that thinks Jesus' teachings had anything to do with self-righteousness and intlerance and dogmatism must be either crazy or evil or been lied to or...well, a total tard.

its not just christianity that got messed up in this way either, i once had a roomate that was into this crazy kind of "buddhism" - i dont remmber the name, 'nichiren shoshu' or something like that - but he would sit in front of this little paper scroll hanging in a fancy little wooden alter-box, and this scroll had some kind of crazy writing on it that he couldnt explain very well, neway hed sit there and chant: " nam myoho renge kyo,  nam myoho renge kyo,  nam myoho renge kyo..." when he told me it was because of this chanting that he had gotten a car and money and stuff, well i knew it was all bogus. i moved out after a month becuz he gave me the creeps, but as a result i did a little reading on buddhism to find out what the real deal was, but i kinda gave up after a while becuz there was so much written about it and so many hard to understand things, and a lot of it was way boring. but the parts about compassion and bhodisatvas and stuff, well again who would not be down with that?
dont even get me started on islam...
oh man already this has gotten long.

so probably what i should have said in the first place: i believe in love. like Bob Marley says in the song jammin, " this love i know exists is the love i cant resist"
i love God and i love Jesus and i love Bob Marley.
i love smokin ganja and i love Haile Selassie.
i kno that every human being is my sister or my brother or is related to me in some way, and i have love and compassion for them, and every animal and plant and living thing. i love trees and plants and little green growing things, and yeasts and bacterias, and call me a hypocrite if you want, but im not so sure how i feel about viruses, even tho i kno theyre part of creation and the natural world.
i love you, Laz. (and to anyone else that is reading this, i love you too, tho i may not kno who you are, i kno youre a person that deserves some of my love and compassion )

so thats all i wanna say right now, youll have to decide for yourself what catagory i fit into- stoner hippy treehugger,
or coptic christian or rasta-christo-farian or wacko nutcase or whatevr.
if you wanna kno anything more just axe and ill do my best to answer, but when it comes to this kinda stuff, i have a lot more questions than answers.

haha, i was gonna try to keep this brief

Christ taught that the world was created around praise, gratitude and love.
Those that heard the message and repeat it are often accused of being preachers.
IT is only because the ego does not want to give up its selfish need to have the world revolve around its own ideas that it resents the words or practices of others, and so it cries out to remove what gets in the way of its own voice so that it may be the only voice, a singular voice that tells only one story.
The world is too big and the universe too expansive to try and hold it to such limitation. But the ego will always try to keep itself safe in its own limited perspectives.

All religions and beliefs are branches of the same tree and the way to realize this is to go to the root of all of them.
Even atheism is a branch of the tree. The idea that there is no God is an idea that holds God as an idea in disbelief rather than belief yet if there wasn't a God there would be no belief or disbelief for man does not concieve of something that is not viable or does not have a reality behind the idea.
What we are afraid of, what we reject in criticism, we have no room for in our world because it is not big enough to accept as part of the whole and some go so far as to try and violently remove what they fear and reject.
If one could get over themselves long enough to see that nothing can kill the infinite self, the soul, the isness that created and is in you there is no threat and no reason for or against. All things just are. The infinite is not finite, anything that can be thought of or dreamed can be manifest. There are things that have not yet been realized because the mind is too distracted with what it worries about as being real and threatening. This is what keeps the mind locked on the surface, and why we use only 5% of our potential.
Humans in their ego will fight to argue about their limitations rather than expand in uniting all of creation.

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whatchoo talkin bout, bubba-joe?

Ohhh veda, you so crazy!

Christ said a lot of things, a lot of which can influence people negatively.

yeah me so crazy.

like what did He say that could affect people negativly? gimmie some quotes. prove it scientifically ;D

Hey Veda  :)

Thank you for sharing, your honesty does you credit  

 Well, for one thing, there isn't substantial historical evidence to prove Christ even existed. All accounts of his life were written quite a while after he "died", and thus are hearsay accounts that are often fraudulent or cannot be accounted for. You'd think an individual who made such historical impact woud have many contemporary writings concerning him, but Jesus had none.

 To quote the Bible, however, the words of the great Christo himself:

 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword.
   For I am come to SET A MAN AT VARIANCE AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND THE DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND THE DAUGHTER IN LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER IN LAW.
    And A MAN'S FOES SHALL BE THEY OF HIS OWN HOUSEHOLD."
                           -Matthew 10:34-6 (KJV)

 "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

                           -Luke 14:26 (KJV)

 "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

                            -Luke 19:27 (KJV)

 In Matthew, Jesus calls Peter Satan(!), just five verses after he tells him to build his church, simply because he questions that he will be crucified. Forgiveness? Yeah, right:
 
  "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church..."
                             
                             -Matthew 16:18 (KJV)

  "But he turned, and said unto Peter. Get thee behind me Satan: thou art an offence unto me. for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of man."

                             -Matthew 16:23 (KJV)

  Using the Bible, it is quite easy to prove that his second coming will not happen as prophesized, for he says that some of his disciples who are with him as he speaks will be there when the event occurs:

  "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

                                  -Matthew 16:28 (KJV)

  Would you like more evidence from the scripture? These quotes are quite in context and speak for themselves.

Got any Idea of what meaning lies behind the words?

What has been written outside of the mainstream belief systems are usually ignored. It's kinda like the school system. Some government body decides what is important to teach the good folks so that they stay good folks.

It would appear due to your disbelief that he really existed in the first place that any written history could be suspect.

 Well, aside from having nonsense experiences that I would have to truly believe in, do you have any evidence he existed?

 As I said, the meaning is right there. There isn't anything behind, it's simply right there, black and white. If Jesus existed, his message of forgiveness is hypocritical, as he specifically preaches not to forgive those who have gone against his cause.

 I still don't even understand why you said "being a skeptic is good" in my thread, because you're obviously not questioning anything, and simply believing in something that has no scientific substance. Jesus is simply an idea. It's simply silly that no record was written of Jesus in his own time, if he so in fluenced society that his crucifixion involved a mass gathering of people against him.

Your lack of understanding and interpretation is your proof I take it.

 The proof is the lack of proof. Unless I'm "misunderstanding", and you have some that isn't based on faith? Because than it's void anyway.

You mistake your inability to experience what I do as your proof.
Most children feel the same way about their parents reality. What they cannot know or experience is not real to them and visa versa.

 I told you, if the experience relies on faith in the unknown, as you have said it does, then it is void.

Yeah I heard you. Your interpretation is that what you know is what you know and anything beyond what you know can't be known by you unless it is known by you.

Or to paraphrase:

What is proven is what is known and what is unknown can be known once it is proven.

Duh.  :

I like, what is unknown can be known if one simply allows it even without proof. The proof is in the eating.

i just dont even kno what to say at this point...
seems like every thread in here is the agnostic4now and bubbajoe byotchfest... which is fine i guess, if thats what you guyz wanna do, but already im gettin kinda tired of it.

ya kno, i was thinking i might start a thread titled "a seed of love" or something like that, work in the mustard seed parable possibly... talk about acts of kindness,  maybe mention karma...

but i dont want it to turn into another joe and agnos pissyfight, cuz its not fun for me anymore, which is why i find myself saying:

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Actually, his last post seems to be agreeing with me.

Might be a crazy religious trick, though. ;D

Go check the Perceptions thread. I don't start this crap.

im not interested in who started crap im interested in whos gonna stop participating in crap.

about those quotes:
i think maybe "quite in context" means something different to me than it does to you. i mean, these statements werent made totally out of the blue. for example, at the beginning of Mat.16, Jesus says watch out for the leavening of the pharisees and the sadducees. was He talking about bread? you have to read the whole thing to kno it wasnt about bread.
not only that, but i think it might be a good idea to look at some other translations besides the king james one, otherwise you might miss some important information.  

so could you explain in your own words what those quotes mean to you?  how do they relate to other things like 'turn the other cheek' ?
and how, in the context of loving your enemy, they might have a negative effect on someone?

You could also look at this board and what is on it as the struggle between the holy spirit and the ego.
This battle has existed since man fell from grace.

The stories of this range from Lucifer as an angel of God and his choice to create his own kingdom, or the story of Adam and Eve and the story of Eves bite into the apple or the taking from the tree of knowledge, or tree of duality, or even Indra the king of the Gods and his choice to experience ignorance and life as a pig.

Are you getting tired of your world Veda? Will you do as all others do to condemn what you disagree with, change what you don't like for what you do like?

The infinite patience of God to continue to give is part of the contrast that exists so that man can see the choices that man makes.
You suggest some other make the choice to walk away and to stop the argument and it is you that needs to walk away from the attachment to hold it in belief that it is real, abusive, or even disagreeable. Only by doing this can you see something different in front of you, only by doing this can you put one down for the other.
Otherwise you will continue to run into this time and time again for it is in your vision, this discord and and this struggle. To remove it from your sight is to see something greater, not to believe in it and try and remove it from physical sight, this only drives the reality of it deeper into the psyche and into belief.

Rather than praying to something outside of yourself it was Christ who suggested that the kingdom is within, not outside.
When will people stop looking for something outside of themselves to change what they hold as truth on the inside?

On another note regarding the perceptions thread, I see our moderator has judged and censored based on his own judgments of what is pertinent, right and wrong.
This is the example of human intervention into his own creation. Rather than learn from his choices to perpetuate ignorance and change, he continues to enliven his reality by choice to remain ignorant and perpetuate evil, by making choices from this lesser reality.

bubba joe, thank you and bless you

i will do my best to let go of my attachment to the belief that your exchanges with agnos are nothing more than pissy pointless bickering.

i will do my best to let go of my attachment to the belief that your tone is derisive and contentious.

i will do my best to let go of my attachment to the belief that repeatedly telling agnos that he is ignorant will not help him in any meaningful way.

i will do my best to let go of my attachment to the view that your argument is objectionable.

when i am ready to discuss this further, or if i need more of your compassionate help in letting go of these attachments, i will let you kno. untill then, im adding your name to my ignore list, so that i wont be tempted to react to your posts according to the delusions of my foolish ego.

 Way to go. Were right back to the bread theory on leavening.

 A very wonderful use of sarcasm. ;D

 The only way for me to stop is to accept he is right (which I don't), ignore him, or leave the board (both of which I won't do).

 I'm trying not to bicker, and just simply give my points and defend myself.

 But it's hard when you're constantly being attacked.

 The real problem here is that the bible can be taken a lot of ways, and you can defend Jesus by taking it in your context, instead of the context given. The fact remains that his existence altogether cannot be historically proven, which does not prove he didn't exist. It just shows that beliefs in him are based on faith.

 That being said, I'll stop talking about it if you guys do, since we're going way too far off topic.

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I'm trying not to bicker, and just simply give my points and defend myself.    But it's hard when you're constantly being attacked.

Ever play with chinese finger cuffs?

"That being said, I'll stop talking about it if you guys do, since we're going way too far off topic. "

okay, im down with that. if you dont wanna talk about Jesus or the bible we dont have to. i get the feelin you dont really want to neway.
way too far off topic? uh, what was the topic?
oh yeah, the topic is me. Me me me!
youre watching the veda channel, all veda all the time!
oops, there goes that ego again.

well since this is my thread about me and where im comin from and where im at then i get to say whatevr i want, and i wanna talk about me and joe and you (agno) for a minute.
of course, i wont be able to hear anything joe says, if he wants to make a point or a clarification, so thats kinda unfortunate, but im not really interested in what joe has to say now, im more concerned with what hes already said, and my reactions to it.

becuz i wasnt really being sarcastic. i really do think his tone is derisive and contentious. i really honestly dont think that telling someone they are ignorant is a good way to help them to let go of ignorance.
honestly, agnos, i do think youre ignorant, and so am i, and so are a lot of people that i love and respect. but telling me im really dumb, and saying it in a mean way doesnt help me wise up. thats not the voice of compassion.
but this:
"...You suggest some other make the choice to walk away and to stop the argument and it is you that needs to walk away from the attachment to hold it in belief that it is real, abusive, or even disagreeable. "
makes me stop and say, ok, maybe the problem isnt in what joe and agno are doing here, the problem is my problem, maybe im looking at the hand instead of where the finger is pointing.
is that whats goin on here?
shit. i got things to do.

id like to leave you with some quotes from a different forum on a different board by different people, - about a different subject:

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The Rev
If you got goodness, share it.
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By and large,the measure if a persons spiritual evolvement is not so much which religeon they follow,but how developed their heart is...compassion,tollerance,forgiveness...everything but self rightousness and dogma.
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Holo
...hearing people like that makes me too just want to ignore their existence.
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421der
Don't spend a lot of time dwelling on what makes hate work and why, either. Hate is the opposite of reason I think. Once you sit down and reason with those who hate, you can make them see what it is that they hate. Unless of course they hit you in the head with a brick.
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Sweetsativa
FIRST peace within yourself, your house.... that must be first.
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I feel it's 1) a control issue or 2) an insecurity issue, why else get so angry that others don't share in your beliefs?
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I got to give him some sympathy though, he's a hardcore right-wing fundamentalist Christian.
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It's kinda like you're thrown into the wilderness and there are maps all over the place but you have no idea if they're right.
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Ugh, I need to get the fuck out of this house...
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The common misperception is if it aint nice, if it aint sweet and it don't feel good, it aint God.

Blah!!! Ego and pride will always find a reason to deny what it don't like and follow what it does, which is why change is slow.

True compassion offers a hand up out of the hole, it does not require joining the other in it and making them feel better about it.

 Geez, veda, when I said you were being sarcastic, I was joking! I'm not trying to be mean, and if you're taking what I'm saying that way, please don't! ;D

It's not your problem, it's a certain preacher's problem, because he can't settle down.

The ego will also try to preach the same thing to others over and over, joe, even though it's not accepting that they don't really care. I know you consider it ignorant, but we've heard what you've had to say, we've all thought about it, and it's not something we want.

Maybe this is why change is so slow for you?  ???

Well if Veda can so easily misinterpret what you have to say it would stand to reason you haven't really heard or understood what I have said, and assume from a limited perspective or a lack of greater understanding.
What do you know of the differences in Ego and spirit to tell me what Ego is and does?

Also if you didn't really care I don't think you would've  made this statement...

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 The only way for me to stop is to accept he is right (which I don't), ignore him, or leave the board (both of which I won't do).

 We don't care as in, we are not interested in joining your cause.

Your first statement makes absolutely no sense. You're mixing apples and oranges again.

Hey Joe,

You have my deepest sympathy. Spending all day  teaching Ascension; being compassionate and honest with ignorant students must really get you down.

Nothing better than to kick back of an evening, and let rip with all the hate and frustration built up inside you, because you have questions like the rest of us, you doubt your path, like the rest of us.

Don't get me wrong here, I do not hate you, I respect your determination and knowledge. It's also good that Agno and veda hate? you, as you know if you can't be liked, hate is much better than indifference.

This talk of people leaving reminds me again of Synchronox and PiratJenny. I miss them, there aren't as many voices here any more. I hope that more poeple don't leave on account of your nature.

I'm sure now that if I was to meet you in the street I would not hate you but I would like you because the persona you present here is not the real you.

 Another post by Laz that puts us back in the right perspective.

well what is goin on here?
i was busy and missed a couple days and i came back all ready to talk all about the things i been thinkin and now look.
now all joe's posts say "Guest"
back in the right perspective?
well we are not here to hate on joe, i dont hate joe, and everybody else had better not hate joe, if even only for your own sake.

well im gonna get busy again and dont kno when ill have much time to pop in here , even now im almost falling asleep, but i wanna make some comments here in case i dont get a chance to come back right away. (actually i typed that much last night and just about fell asleep on my keyboard)

so heres the thing: i may not agree with joe's teaching style, but i just cant disagree with his message.
becuz you can experience God directly, that is your proof, agnos. theres your bridge beyond death, laz.

there is no other way to see God than to look. this doesnt require faith becuz faith grows, you cant just switch it on. you are not required to believe anything at all in order to have this experience, and it dont cost nuthin.

this is what you guyz have been going on and on about for a while, and if joe is gone then ill settle it. if you want proof then just look at it.

little children sometimes speak in cute and funny ways because they havent mastered language skills, but they grow and get better and better at expressing themselves, just like they grow out of their staggering clumsey tottlerhood.
little children have short attention spans and get easily distracted, but their power of concentration grows... it grows untill it stops growing.  there are a lot of people that dont even speak their own language very well. there are many  more that dont concentrate very well. but we can learn to speak clearly and we can learn to concentrate, and as we learn these things we grow, we mature as people and as humans.
but what shud we concentrate on? well its totally up to you. tons of people concentrate on money and cars and different kinds of bling bling. if youre anything like me tho, and sit around thinking bout this existance stuff, and consciousness and the universe, and sometimes go looking at spirituality and philosophy forums then id say why dont we concentrate on the most basic fundemental thing about the existance of concsiousness in the universe. in this way we can grow in our consciousness and awareness, becuz we dont grow in our humanity by concentrating on bling bling, niggaz

already i hear comments from the peanut gallery about "well the mind can trick itself into believing anything" but this is a total nonsense argument and only shows that the person has tricked themself into knowing what they know.

im saying that consciousness can and does expand, and you have to expand your consciousness to percieve God. im talking about transcendence, but not transcendental maditation, or kant's kind of unknowable transcendence, what i mean is transcending normal everyday reality by transcending normal everyday consciousness. when consciousness expansion happens it cant be mistaken for anything else, but untill it happens it cant be known, becuz it is a total mystery like everything else that cant be known untill it is known.
when the two year old is walking around the garden holding onto a stick, and turning around looking at everything and the stick pokes out behind her knocking down flowers and breaking tender shoots, dumping over the little ornamental garden pagota as the her two year old feet step all over the prize petunias, i can tell her again and again to be careful with the stick, dont step on the flowers, watch where you're going, ect. but her consciousness is still small, and it simply has to grow b4 she can catch on to all these things. you and me are no different becuz if we want to see fundemental truths and grow in our awareness of existance then our consciousness has to grow too.

it's possible for all of us to have a transformative experience wether we believe it or not, in the same way that the little girl who says "i will never like yucky boys!" or the little boy who says "i will never like gross girls!" will eventually grow and mature and find she does like boys, and he does like girls. but when you are eight years old, and have developed a strong dislike for yucky horrible boys, its impossible to believe that your mind will ever change about this. this is the way we mature and grow, from the beginning of our lives our awareness and consciousness expands and changes, and this is the way we can come to kno God.  

why do people run into burning building to save total strangers? schopenhauer said its becuz in that moment people know that the person in the building and themselves are one. they are the same person.
if we concentrate and ignore distraction we can come to kno that seperation is an illusion. the fact that you and me are part of the universe becomes clear, and that each of us as seemingly seperate people are really one with everything. this is becuz everything is one. every tiny particle and wave of the universe is essentialy linked to every other particle and wave, in the way that time, space, energy and matter are all one thing. but it does no good for me to tell you this. to kno it, you must kno it, and knowing it requires an expansion of consciousness beyond eating and sleeping and going potty and ecconomics and consumerism and gettin nooky and social standing. but you can do it, i kno you can.

of course you can sit around and aks me silly questions like "did adam have a bellybutton?" or  "can Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that even He could not touch it?"  or "what is the point of creating anything if youre omniscient?" but i think that just like the magic eye picture with the 3-d pony, (and i kno i have said this b4) you have to look to see the pony, not glance at it and give up and spend your time telling me theres nothing there and demand proof and axe goofy questions.

but just like laz told me about seeing past your ego, nobody can tell you how to do it, you just do it. we can get hints and clues along the way, and i hope ive given you some, but inner knowing is inner, so dont look to me to prove anything, you can prove it yourself.

its not like im totally enlightened veda-buddha, im not the voice of God any more than anyone else is, im not a saint and im not better than anyone else. im in the same boat as you. we are all walkin down the same road, but i have seen what many many people have seen, and what anyone can see, if they look.

Look, everyone, Joe's back!

Or at least, his following remains ever-so-irritatingly present.

Who said I hated Joe? Oh, that's right, you did. Well, I must hate Joe then. : I just think he's got the wrong perspective, just like you do. In the words of Tom Yorke, "Just 'cause you feel it, doesn't mean it's there." As I've said, experiences based on faith are void. I freely admit to doubting your experiences.

And of course whatever you believe will be truth to you. How is this nonsense? I used to truly believe, when I was a child, that there was an omniscient being taking care of me and all my dead relatives. I've come to realize that I was tricking myself. Experiences prove nothing simply because your experience of God can almost positively be coincedence instead of what you assume.

I find it funny you and Joe refuse to tell us exactly what your "experiences" are, though I have vague ideas. If you're going to preach, you could at least commit to telling us about your "experience".

People run into burning buildings because they are motivated by something. Sometimes it's to be a hero, sometimes it's something else. But it's not universality, because then I would feel what those people feel, and I simply don't. Sorry.

By refusing to ask questions you deem as "silly", you are blinding yourself and ignoring what matters most before you can find truth. Omniscience cancelling motivation is a very simple thing to prove, and yet, you have no answers for God's motivation. Perhaps you don't have them.....? Well, if you don't know what you're talking about, why should you believe? ???

Joe sucked at getting personal and down to earth with people. Veda, you do it very well  :)

It's a different approach, I wonder... no the time is not right, later maybe.

Would you care to share with us veda?

Inner experiences may have to be experienced to be believed, but that doesn't mean that they cannot be communicated. would it be possible for you to tell us about one of your transformative experiences?

hey i got a few minutes to check in with you guyz

thanx Laz! i didnt really think of myself as being down-to-earth and personal, but that im just talkin to my brothers and sisters. maybe its the same thing. not everything i say is totally serious tho, some things just hit me as soo funny, but maybe i have a weird sense of humor.

id tell you guys about what happened to me if i could, but i just dont kno how to say it in words. best i could do would be to bust out with some song lyrics or a poem or something but even that would fall short. i promise ill think about how best to describe it.

i dont really wanna preach tho. i dont wanna make anybody think in any certain way, or force anybody to believe anything or convert anybody, and i dont wanna fight and argue or make anybody pissed off.
what i wanna do is plant a seed
i wanna plant a seed of love in everybody that reads this, and im just gonna hope that those seeds grow. One Love!

i used to live in this great little log cabin in the mountains, it was in the woods and my nearest neighbors were pretty far away. i wish we could all go there, me, agnos, Laz, anybody that wanted to come, and we could talk about all this stuff and smoke some dank buds till we all forgot what we were talking about, then at that point wed be just people hangin out together 8)

 Thank whatever runs this universe for veda being communicative. I swear, Joe's so damn uptight! There's no winning that guy over.. it's his way or the highway.

You are the one of the only kinds of religious people I appreciate. When someone asks, you tell, and that's all. Thanks for leaving the soap box out of every other thread. You remind me a lot of someone I know.... they think the best way to convert someone is to set an example. Joe has failed to do that with me.

I know, I can be preachy.... but only in response to preaching!

OMG! does this mean that seed i planted is sprouting? ;D

No.


But that's just because of me. There will be people that, if you set a good enough example, will want to know what sets that example, and will follow your example.

Not me, though. I'm fine the way I am.

Lord veda:

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OMG! does this mean that seed i planted is sprouting?

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Skywalker: No, it can't be, you're not my mother!

Can we keep the seed-planting in the bedroom please?  :-[

haha the name's veda not Darth Veda!

but im just planting seeds in the garden. ya kno, its a funny thing about them, sometimes they sprout right away and just die, sometimes they just sit there and never germinate. some of them just wait... and then one day you turn around and say hey! theres something beautiful growin there!
the thing is to not be too concerned with any particular seed, just keep scatterin em wherever might be fertile ground.

What is it that drives you to plant seeds veda? Is this the same thing as Joe fishing for men? Is it the teacher persona that just can't die!

One of the things I remember from the yoga philosophy book I read was that one shouldn't teach, one should just have fun remembering with people the true nature of yourself.

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and we could talk about all this stuff and smoke some dank buds till we all forgot what we were talking about, then at that point wed be just people hangin out together

Sounds like fun, i'm there already

why plant seeds? compassion.

"have fun remembering with people the true nature of yourself"
thats very good. that is what i was thinking with the cabin thing. we could build a fire and make smores

Compassion, oops! that's the other no no according to yoga, just another form of teaching.

are you teaching me yoga, Laz?

No, i'm sharing what i've learnt, there's a difference

Do you want to learn about yoga philosophy? I'm really not the person to ask, but I can refer you to an excellent book on the subject.

yeah im very interested... i kinda dont have cash for buyin brand new books right now tho.

hey does your book say anything about bhakti?

off the top of my head, bhakti is the yoga of worship and devotion, but there's a lot of info you can pull up through Google:

http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/teachings/bhaktiyoga.htm

http://www.sanatansociety.org/yoga_and_med...bhakti_yoga.htm

http://www.wisdomofyoga.org/bhakti_yoga.htm

hey thanx shawn!

"Go from stage to stage. Just as a flower grows in the garden, so also gradually develop love or Prem in the garden of your heart."

oh i do dig those flower and garden analogies!

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