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In light of my demonstrated closemindedness, I was surprised that something as docile as pot could have such a profound effect. But it did. I'm still coming to terms with this fact and am enthusiastic about what can be discovered with more potent experiments. Honestly, I think it had more to do with having an experienced friend asking the right questions and guiding me along the way, than the altered mental state itself. Based on my limited experiences, a guide of sorts is invaluable, and I have become very discriminating in who I engage in this activity with. I never realized this before, but the awareness you attain is greatly influenced by the awareness of those around you, almost as if you are springboarding off each others thoughts. I don't know if I could obtain the same effect in isolation, but I'm sure I couldn't do it next to Beavis and Butthead, if you know what I mean. Unfortunately, the majority of pot smokers, in my experience, have no concept of what it truly means to get high, and blissfully waste away their opportunity contemplating the profundity of white bread. BTW, white bread is really tastey!
Full Version: What is God?
Most people will only be allowed to know that no God exists, when they are capable of behaving in a manner that does not need a God.
That will be when the vast majority are prepared to take full and proper responsibility for duties to themselves and to the rest of Society.
At the moment the compensation culture is thriving.
Too many people are greedy, selfish or lazy.
Now, even with people believing in a God, unacceptable behaviour is occurring world-wide. Successful Society depends on individuals accepting responsibility for their actions for the good of everybody.
If general disbelief in a God were to occur now, there would be anarchy and civil war in most countries within 10 years. People don't even pick up their rubbish!
Whilst believing in a God is not a totally successful cure for bad behaviour it is the best known current approach other than education.
Those who do know that no God exists, bear a heavy responsibility in carrying on their lives. It is not in their interest or that of Society to prove that no God exists.
That will be when the vast majority are prepared to take full and proper responsibility for duties to themselves and to the rest of Society.
At the moment the compensation culture is thriving.
Too many people are greedy, selfish or lazy.
Now, even with people believing in a God, unacceptable behaviour is occurring world-wide. Successful Society depends on individuals accepting responsibility for their actions for the good of everybody.
If general disbelief in a God were to occur now, there would be anarchy and civil war in most countries within 10 years. People don't even pick up their rubbish!
Whilst believing in a God is not a totally successful cure for bad behaviour it is the best known current approach other than education.
Those who do know that no God exists, bear a heavy responsibility in carrying on their lives. It is not in their interest or that of Society to prove that no God exists.
Timothy,
remember: know when to say when. A little of something can be exhilarating, but too much will be devastating. You're treading on potentially very dangerous ground and should be very wary. Just my 2 cents.
remember: know when to say when. A little of something can be exhilarating, but too much will be devastating. You're treading on potentially very dangerous ground and should be very wary. Just my 2 cents.
Awakening does not include drugs as a point of reference, they may crack a doorway on occasion but they rarely hit the target more than once with the same innocense and ease.
Hey Tim, that's cool 
From my experience only the best quality pot is capable of doing more than making you stoned and hungry
Guest/Joe,
I thought fear was not a part of your lives any more?
From my experience only the best quality pot is capable of doing more than making you stoned and hungry
Guest/Joe,
I thought fear was not a part of your lives any more?
| QUOTE (Ryokirah @ Apr 02, 09:35 AM) |
| i see me as limiting myself from seeing the anti-bear rocks of the universe. |
You use the science to weed out the ANTI BEAR Rocks . . . but, if you limit yourself to JUST the discipline of Science and Logic you might miss what it is you're looking for.
I HAVE HEARD the voice of God . . . and yes YOU DO get locked away for that. Everything the voice told me was to prove itself true (in my physical life). Does this not PROVE the existence of God or was I Crazy???? There is a fine line between Sanity and God I believe. God's thinking is so backward it's forward and try and make LOGIC out of that !!!
I now KNOW what I should and should not reveal to those around me because of their lack of understanding. This venue allows me to be anonymous and therefore more open to discussing those things that I would be locked away for in should I talk to those around me. It is unfortunate that the world would not allow someone to HEAR the voice of GOD. But, until you LET GO you will never discover the truths you seek.
Ari
PS: Sorry to be so late in reply... I only use the internet during the morning hours and not available on weekends. I am interested in this forum.
so where are you at Ari? I'd love to know what stage of enlightenment you feel you have reached and if you wish to openly share some details, i'd like to hear them
I don't know the DIFFERENT stages of Enlightment. I do know that I have suffered Ego Death and am seeking those that are of like mind. I am hoping to find others that have also been there.
I am fortunate of late however. My sister recently went through a similiar experience. . . though not to the degree I did. She came out with the some of the same conclusions. For instance, without shedding your ego you can not feel or get in touch with that part of you that FEELS for HUMANITY or that will be able to tap into that PHYCHIC aspect of your nature.
I do not like to label STAGEs of Enlightment Some MIGHT take that to mean THAT one is superior to another. We are ALL getting there . . . its just a matter of time!
I am fortunate of late however. My sister recently went through a similiar experience. . . though not to the degree I did. She came out with the some of the same conclusions. For instance, without shedding your ego you can not feel or get in touch with that part of you that FEELS for HUMANITY or that will be able to tap into that PHYCHIC aspect of your nature.
I do not like to label STAGEs of Enlightment Some MIGHT take that to mean THAT one is superior to another. We are ALL getting there . . . its just a matter of time!
I'm sorry that you feel "stages" of enlightenment is to rigid a word to use. In my own structured world it seems to fit neatly, although i do not have a scale by which i can make comparisons
I have said before that i feel i am 20% enlightened and i that is still true today. I too have experienced what i would call the ego death. I think my everyday ego is shrinking as i have experienced and understood things like the voice of god, and love (finally!) and many things in life are becomming clear to me that were not before.
I have said before that i feel i am 20% enlightened and i that is still true today. I too have experienced what i would call the ego death. I think my everyday ego is shrinking as i have experienced and understood things like the voice of god, and love (finally!) and many things in life are becomming clear to me that were not before.
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| Guest/Joe, I thought fear was not a part of your lives any more? |
Fear is not the issue.
This is about wisdom.
Wisdom comes from experience, and while a learned party can repeat the truth parrot fashion, they will not understand until they have actually expeirenced said truth and found the pitfalls themselves.
Trust that this will happen, and allow those less experienced to find out for themselves.
Trust that this will happen, and allow those less experienced to find out for themselves.
Structure is good . . . I guess I just don't wish to offend anyone. Some perceive those labels as a "One Upmanship Thing" due to their grounding on Mother Earth. They learn survival of the Fittest is the law . . . "external power" -- the need to be BETTER than your neighbor equates with I HAVE BETTER SURVIVAL Skills.
My Ego Death was rather abrupt and I saw all facets of myself(?) at once. In my perception there were four people riding in that car....There was God, Ari Annis (soul/christ) Terry (the son I always strived to be and my protector) and Bodicea (who was and is not). What I do remember is that their minds were working at different speeds and they would refer to a "glitch" as "catching up" like they all existed in a different space time. The fact is -- in all of this I was ONLY conscious of Ari Annis's thoughts (the soul/ Christ). Although speech was pouring out of my BODY... these came from somewhere else. Talk about possession . . . it sounds funny and I'm not sure I should talk about it in this venue... or at all... Just let me know
My Ego Death was rather abrupt and I saw all facets of myself(?) at once. In my perception there were four people riding in that car....There was God, Ari Annis (soul/christ) Terry (the son I always strived to be and my protector) and Bodicea (who was and is not). What I do remember is that their minds were working at different speeds and they would refer to a "glitch" as "catching up" like they all existed in a different space time. The fact is -- in all of this I was ONLY conscious of Ari Annis's thoughts (the soul/ Christ). Although speech was pouring out of my BODY... these came from somewhere else. Talk about possession . . . it sounds funny and I'm not sure I should talk about it in this venue... or at all... Just let me know
That's very interesting. While i saw myself as an actor playing a role in life and every sentance i spoke was scripted somehow. I did not witness any other characters in "me". I find it intriguing that you have given the personalities definate names. it looks like you have gotten to know each of them?
I wouldn't call God a Character. . . But, I believe God to be part of ALL of us... we are ALL little pieces of God and all destined to come back to the WHOLE. My soul was given that name...Ari Annis and Terry this was my childhood name until I changed it and Bodicea she was that ruthless part of myself Warrior/Temptress/ You name it she could take it on --EGO that died... a new creature was born after that.
Is there just AriAnnis now then? one body one spirit.
There is Ari Annis(soul) and Terry(body) they combine and are one. But, Terry does not have Ego... just Substance to learn in this world.... Souls cannot float around bodyless... The BODY/MIND is a necessary vehicle for the Soul.
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| Souls cannot float around bodyless... |
Not in your waking state anyway
So do you have a grip on what the soul is, could you describe it scientifically if pushed?
| QUOTE (Joesus @ Apr 03, 02:19 PM) |
| Awakening does not include drugs as a point of reference, they may crack a doorway on occasion but they rarely hit the target more than once with the same innocense and ease. |
I actually agree with Joesus on this one. Drugs are NOT a path to enlightenment, nor are they a jumping-off point towards spirituality or a closer relationship with God.
I don't know if this is scientific... I certainly can't prove it -- it has to be discovered....
the Soul is that part of us that has no gender ---it experiences life through the MORTAL to learn something it CAN'T learn in it's infinite state .... And it Immortal
it is the CORE of the MORTAL being ... and what our MORTAL MIND tries to protect because it is contrary to survival here.... this sets up the EGO to be FORMED...
the EGO does protect the CORE(soul) until we mature.... but the EGO acts like a barrier after a while and without us shedding it we will never be back in touch with that part of ourselves. So shedding the EGO is essential once it has done it's job. The ego is essential to staying intact in this DOG eat DOG world... but once the soul discovers why that philosophy is inherently wrong and how it separates us from one another it won't be able to part with that EGO.
Sorry I got to go for the day... Work... ugly word... necessary though...
the Soul is that part of us that has no gender ---it experiences life through the MORTAL to learn something it CAN'T learn in it's infinite state .... And it Immortal
it is the CORE of the MORTAL being ... and what our MORTAL MIND tries to protect because it is contrary to survival here.... this sets up the EGO to be FORMED...
the EGO does protect the CORE(soul) until we mature.... but the EGO acts like a barrier after a while and without us shedding it we will never be back in touch with that part of ourselves. So shedding the EGO is essential once it has done it's job. The ego is essential to staying intact in this DOG eat DOG world... but once the soul discovers why that philosophy is inherently wrong and how it separates us from one another it won't be able to part with that EGO.
Sorry I got to go for the day... Work... ugly word... necessary though...
Exodus, if you are speaking from direct experience then I applaud you. If however you are just regurgitating political, social, and personal dogma then I would ask why you feel you have any right to state such things.
As a further question, what is the quote on your avatar referring to? Is your quote a fake cue as to your personality and feelings? Do you enjoy playing roles?
As a further question, what is the quote on your avatar referring to? Is your quote a fake cue as to your personality and feelings? Do you enjoy playing roles?
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| I take issue with your metaphor and think that it's a little harsh, Rajesh. Unless you're a world-renowned scientist or otherwise someone who knows a lot about science, then you hardly have any basis to speak that condescendingly about science. A scientist could just as well say that you have never understood science sufficiently enough to realize that it's much more than just a cradle. |
I didnot mean to be harsh. ( I think I said the same thing, which I have been telling in all my posts )
If this is a statement made for the first time in the world, then I am sure I will become world-renowned for making this statement.
Moreover, I identify myself with scientists than with any religion, and it was during a scientific investigation, I had my first understanding of god.
Science does not only mean finding/understanding something, but also communicate the finding/understanding to others. I am yet to find a person with any experience of god, who belives that he can explain what is god to others.
God in the pot !!!
Though I donot have any experience with the pot,
I feel one can pull out god from the pot, just to have the glimpse of it.
But should not believe, god is in the pot.
Though I donot have any experience with the pot,
I feel one can pull out god from the pot, just to have the glimpse of it.
But should not believe, god is in the pot.
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| I'm sorry that you feel "stages" of enlightenment is to rigid a word to use. In my own structured world it seems to fit neatly, although i do not have a scale by which i can make comparisons I have said before that i feel i am 20% enlightened and i that is still true today. I too have experienced what i would call the ego death. I think my everyday ego is shrinking as i have experienced and understood things like the voice of god, and love (finally!) and many things in life are becomming clear to me that were not before. |
I also believe in "stages" of enlightenment. My opinion is more analytical a person is, more stages he would see. The reason being, when a person is analytical, he keeps analysing every bit of his experience, thus breaking his experience.
Some people would slide down the ramp and some would step down the stairs.
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| I don't know if this is scientific... I certainly can't prove it -- it has to be discovered.... the Soul is that part of us that has no gender ---it experiences life through the MORTAL to learn something it CAN'T learn in it's infinite state .... And it Immortal |
Ari,
Do you believe in past life or rebirth. If yes, how do you explain it.
I'm interested in hearing more about your experiments with ganga-cognition, Tim. Keep up the good work!
Ari Annis, it sounds like your psyche was fragmented into autonomous competing personalities and perhaps still is to some degree
| QUOTE (Rajesh @ Apr 05, 08:41 AM) |
| Do you believe in past life or rebirth. If yes, how do you explain it. |
You have many lives --just because you don't remember them doesn't mean you don't carry parts of those "soul lessons" with you. Do you think God gives you just ONE chance to get this all down? To reach Enlightenment???
Case in point... in the bible there is a passage where the apostles are asking Jesus WHO John the Baptist is. . . and Jesus replies that he IS Elijah (the only one ever just taken up to heaven in the old testament). Now John the Baptist was asked the same question.... and he replies that he isn't Elijah.
Question: #1 . . . WHY are the apostles asking WHO John the Baptist is??? If they do not believe in re-incarnation?
Question: #2. . . Who knows more -- John or Jesus????
Ari Annis, it sounds like your psyche was fragmented into autonomous competing personalities and perhaps still is to some degree
I know that I am not fragmented anymore... but those that hold on to the EGO still are . . . we are all fragmented (the nature of the beast). Why do you think you are not in touch with some of your emotions. Until you reach that state of oneness you can never become whole. You can never reach that part of yourself that is SELFLESS, GIVING, IMMORTAL you will always be striving for One Upmanship and severed from your emotion that makes you HUMAN.
I can also see that you are somewhat versed in new-age philosophy. Maybe you would enjoy this site
www.lightworker.com
www.lightworker.com
I give the term "God" to everything that we cannot explain in the universe. I agree with everything Ryo was saying earlier about how religion is pointless because you can never truly pin down that unknown by definitions. I think it is possible for a person to experience this "unknown", but it is foolish to think we can ever describe the nature of it just through experiencing it. I certainly don't see this unknown as being or presence with conscious thought. I think this is an entirely simplified, personified rationalization of something entirely un-human.
| QUOTE (Steve @ Apr 08, 12:08 PM) |
| I give the term "God" to everything that we cannot explain in the universe. I agree with everything Ryo was saying earlier about how religion is pointless because you can never truly pin down that unknown by definitions. I think it is possible for a person to experience this "unknown", but it is foolish to think we can ever describe the nature of it just through experiencing it. I certainly don't see this unknown as being or presence with conscious thought. I think this is an entirely simplified, personified rationalization of something entirely un-human. |
you are young and very innocent, but hopefully, soon, you will wake up.
I agree with Steve.
I am not young.
I am not innocent.
I hope I keep waking up, but only when I want to.
None of us can prove or disprove eaches theories.
Therefore, nobody KNOWS who is correct or nearest the truth.
Bashing another or their theories is simply trying to boost your own theory, a bit of an egotistical tendency I suspect. It is a waste of time anyway, because it won't change another persons point of view. At best, you stop them 'talking', which can appear to increase the significance of your own claims. The TRUTH is all that matters.
I am not young.
I am not innocent.
I hope I keep waking up, but only when I want to.
None of us can prove or disprove eaches theories.
Therefore, nobody KNOWS who is correct or nearest the truth.
Bashing another or their theories is simply trying to boost your own theory, a bit of an egotistical tendency I suspect. It is a waste of time anyway, because it won't change another persons point of view. At best, you stop them 'talking', which can appear to increase the significance of your own claims. The TRUTH is all that matters.
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Apr 08, 12:38 PM) |
| I agree with Steve. I am not young. I am not innocent. I hope I keep waking up, but only when I want to. |
whether you know it or not, rhymer, you are young and innocent too, maybe not so much as Steve, but hopefully, soon, you will wake up
You nearly embarass me, but not realising that I woke up about 23 years casts doubts on your knowledge!
God knows who said "2-4=-2"
Most mathematicians believe it too!
But if I have two apples, I defy anyone to remove four apples !!!!
Most mathematicians believe it too!
But if I have two apples, I defy anyone to remove four apples !!!!
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Apr 08, 01:37 PM) |
| You nearly embarass me, but not realising that I woke up about 23 years casts doubts on your knowledge! |
oh don't be overly-dramatic. I embarass no-one. Do you rule out the possibility that 23 years ago, you woke from one dream, into another? Do you rule out the possibility that you may still be sleeping? Sleepers, awake! I am the cock crowing in the distant, coming up fast.
A sleeping person cannot type into a computer terminal zzz... and be downloading files at the same time zzz. and hearing the radio zzz.... and reading a guests post and zz.... listening to a piece of software that has just told her the time zzz.... and just talked to a friend on the telephone zz... without waking up and wondering what on earth a guest zzzz... thinks is the difference between being asleep and being awake.
Can you take 4 apples away from two apples?
Can you take 4 apples away from two apples?
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Apr 08, 02:02 PM) |
| Can you take 4 apples away from two apples? |
mentally, yes. The answer is two anti-apples.
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Apr 08, 02:02 PM) |
| A sleeping person cannot type into a computer terminal zzz... |
sure they can. I see it everyday.
I didn't say 'mentally' - maths is supposed to work in the real world, not just inside your head!
no they can't. no you don't. you are lying.
no they can't. no you don't. you are lying.
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Apr 08, 02:10 PM) |
| I didn't say 'mentally' - maths is supposed to work in the real world, not just inside your head! no they can't. no you don't. you are lying. |
I'm not lying. According to physics, 2 apples minus 4 apples is 2 anti-apples.
I would estimate that at least 99% of the population is "asleep", unenlightened.
common sense is available to all.
I seek uncommon sense.
You are lying by saying that you see people typing who are asleep.
What is an anti-apple [physics talks of no such thing].
I seek uncommon sense.
You are lying by saying that you see people typing who are asleep.
What is an anti-apple [physics talks of no such thing].
| QUOTE (Guest @ Apr 08, 02:13 PM) |
| I would estimate that at least 99% of the population is "asleep", unenlightened. |
there's nothing "good" or "bad" about this fact. It just is what it is.
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Apr 08, 02:14 PM) |
| What is an anti-apple [physics talks of no such thing]. |
Actually, physics does talk of such things. You've heard of anti-particles? Anti-apples are like apples but composed of anti-particles. Which means that adding 4 anti-apples to 2 apples will give you 2 anti-apples plus some light.
Ah, so you are another one of these people who use existing words viz., asleep [which means not awake] and use it for another purpose [viz., having some sort of mental vision which is as yet undefined and can't be attributed to a single person on the planet Earth] when you ought to avoid confusion by designing a totally new word.
But then your real objective is in fact to confuse people so you won't invent new words for new concepts will you?
Now; where did those two apples go?
But then your real objective is in fact to confuse people so you won't invent new words for new concepts will you?
Now; where did those two apples go?
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Apr 08, 02:14 PM) |
| common sense is available to all. I seek uncommon sense. |
many common-sense people seek uncommon sense, but that fact alone does not guarantee that they'll come into possession of it.
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Apr 08, 02:20 PM) |
| Ah, so you are another one of these people who use existing words viz., asleep [which means not awake] and use it for another purpose |
words have many meanings. The correct meaning must be determined from the context. The context of my post should make it clear to many people what meaning I meant to attribute to "asleep".
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Apr 08, 02:20 PM) |
| But then your real objective is in fact to confuse people so you won't invent new words for new concepts will you? |
why do I need to have a "real objective"? Why not simply do what you will in accordance with your nature? Not all actions need to be rationalized in terms of "real objectives". In fact, few do.
only the greedy ones lose out.
Those with positive and sensible motives gain uncommon sense, not easily, but in proprotion to what they can cope with. I use the word 'cope' in a mile sense here.
Those with positive and sensible motives gain uncommon sense, not easily, but in proprotion to what they can cope with. I use the word 'cope' in a mile sense here.
| QUOTE (rhymer @ Apr 08, 02:27 PM) |
| only the greedy ones lose out. Those with positive and sensible motives gain uncommon sense, not easily, but in proprotion to what they can cope with. I use the word 'cope' in a mile sense here. |
the expression of will knows needs no motive.
what or who are "the greedy ones"? I presume that term doesn't include you, does it? And if not, what if other people thought it did, would that conflict with your self-image and cherished beliefs about yourself? Do you believe you have an objective view of yourself or do you think it's distorted?
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