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Timothy_417
Well, have you? What about precognition, group vision, past lives, shared consciousness, telekinesis, vulcan mind melding? Ok, I'm just kidding about the last one, but I'm serious about the others? I promise not to make derogative statements about your experiences or imply that you are delusioned. I simply am interested in finding out if any of you have experienced any of these paranormal events, the circumstances involving these events, and perhaps what your explanation for them. I'm not here to have an argument, although I cannot speak for the behavior of others.

I recently spent some time with an individual who sincerely believes he has experienced most if not all of the above events. Do you think he's crazy, or is there more to be said about the mind than tradition psychology would allow?

Go nuts!
Joesus
He might be living in a fantasy world or maybe he's
just a bit schizotypal.
This is a bit out of your box Tim, I wouldn't have expected you to be associated with this type of person considering your need to approach this enigma in a war like debating stance.
Are you looking for something to sway your opinion or is it too far out or far fetched to accept what your friend has said with any possibiity?
I'm a lot more interested in what you have to say about your friends experience and what you think about it as it relates to you.
Timothy_417
All I can say about my friend's experiences are that I believe him when he says that he thinks they were real. I also consider him to be an extremely intelligent individual capable of astounding feats of mental endeavor.

But this thread is not about me, or what you think you know about me.

So...telepathy? What do you think?
Timothy_417
Do I think something like telepathy is possible? To answer at all is to claim absolute knowledge on the matter, and as you know, I hate absolutes. Do I think it probable that telepathy exists as a faculty of the human organism? Well, no, not really. In general I assign credibility according to the following maxim. "No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous, than the fact, which it endeavours to establish" (Hume, On Miracles).

Obviously, the greater the number of corroborating testimonies, the greater the difficulty in discounting them. Hence my motive for asking.

Don't bother to lecture me on whether or not the above method is appropriate or not. Right now I am only interested in finding out if anyone else has experienced telepathy or something similar, and also if they would be willing to describe it to me.
Timothy_417
Again, I promise to not pass judgement or allow your response to negatively affect my perception of you. Of course if you are rude or strident, all bets are off. I am respectful to those who show respect.
Laz
Here's something that I would ordinarily class as a coincidence, but because of its frequency, maybe its something else...

In this modern age, with the medium of the internet so prevelent in our lives, what part can telepathy play?

I have expeirenced a weird email thing, where i send an email to a person at the same time they are sending one to me, and we both recieve eachothers email at the same time! This happens mainly with my girlfriend, but is not limited to a particular time of the day.

It would be easy to conclude that it is a repeated daily action that i perform, and the hit rate would enevetably result in one of the many emails being sent at the same time. However this typically happens with the first email of the day, the kind of "hi, how are you today?" email and this isn't necessarily a 9am email, it can range from 9 to 4 in the afternoon. It is not just with my girlfriend either, other friends and i have had this happen quite often.

What does it mean? I don't know, probably nothing, but it's caught my attention.
Shawn
I'm not so sure about telepathy..... maybe if I had a twin or something, I might experience it, but I haven't had any obviously 'telepathic experiences'. Visionary dreams, yes..... premonitions, yes........ deja vu, yes...... but telepathy, no.

nonetheless, i'm invariably open-minded about this and related issues, and would be interested in hearing about other people's experiences.

Timothy_417
I get deja vu all the time. Sometimes its because an experience is repeating itself, other times I have no recollection of an original experience at all, just a haunting feeling that this is very familiar.

Aside from telepathy, I suppose group vision or group mind is of particular interest. My friend referred to some native indian tride that participated in this activity as a ritual. He said it could be induced artificially by means of drugs and meditation. Essentially, those participating sort of join consciousness and plurally experience reality with a single united mind. Of course this seemed wildly farsisical to me, but maybe others have had similar experiences.

There was also a lot of talk about syncronous breathing techniques and pulse rates, sensory deprivation, and artificial neuro-stimulation. My friend was working towards a naturalistic explanation for psychic phenomenon, but I didn't really understand much of what he said. He talked about consciousness being a holography of interfering information sets. Anyway, that's just a little background I guess.

When I was a lot younger, I convinced myself that I had a telekinetic ability. I was sitting in church one Sunday dieing of boredom when I noticed a large christmas ornament suspended from the ceiling. Well, I concentrated on it and it moved. I found that if I focused on rotating it in a specific direction it would respond. I did this successfully for the rest of the serman and concluded that I had some sort of telekinetic ability. Next week when I tried to do it again, I couldn't. So I reluctantly decided that I was just fooling myself, but for about one week, I really did believe that I had a telekinetic power. I was very young and an avid admirer of the wizard gandalf of course. smile.gif

So that's my little story. Anyone else care to contribute? (Thanks to Laz, btw for commenting).
v3d4
well i do share something with my sister that we refer to as "the psychic link" or sometimes as "the psycho link" but really it could be coincidence or some other natural ( and not supernatural) thing. it's just that we would often find we were thinking the same thing at the same time, or we'd decide to call eachother on the phone at the same moment, like Laz's emails. of course when we tried to do this, like send messages/thoughts back and forth, it doesnt work at all, so our "psychic link" is totally worthless for any practical thing like tricking boyfriends or making money.

one time i had split a hit of cid with a friend (very small dose) and we were riding in a car with some other friends on our way to a cello recital. it started to rain and i had the thought that he was going to say "hey look its raining" and he did. nothing so amazing about that.
then i had the thought that he was going to coment on the rain making interesting patterns on the window, and he did. this went on for a little while, me just somehow 'knowing' what he was gonna say out loud before he said it. i was just quietly looking out the window, not speaking or anything, just watching this whole thing happen. so after a minute or two i decided i might influence what he would say out loud by just thinking about it. "he's going to ask jennifer to change the radio station" i thought, and concentrated on that. after a minute he asked if anybody would mind turning off the radio, and i took this as a complete sucess. "ask what time it is," i started thinking at him, "ask what time it is!" i knew without a doubt that he was going to ask what time it was because i was influencing him at a level below his awareness. this was starting to be fun for me. "ask what time it is!" i focused on him. what he said was : "after the recital let's all go to the dairy queen!" and that was the end of that.

i dont want to claim any absolute knowledge so ill say maybe its possible. but if it is, i doubt it has much practical value for doing any worldly things. for communication with other people, language seems to be the best bet.
it reminds me of this story:
[quote] the Buddha met an ascetic who sat by the bank of a river. This ascetic had practised austerities for 25 years. The Buddha asked him what he had received for all his labor. The ascetic proudly replied that, now at last, he could cross the river by walking on the water. The Buddha pointed out that this gain was insignificant for all the years of labor, since he could cross the river using a ferry for one penny![/quote]
Timothy_417
So if we give equal consideration to the possibility that telepathy of the Charles Xavier variety might be false, how do we account for the the experiences of its adherents? We are talking about remote viewing, shared consciousness, precognitions, mind reading, etc., all experienced in such a way that coincidence and circumstance cannot sufficiently explain the phenomena.

I'm not trying to steer anyone towards the accusation of psychological illness, but I suppose like Well's Alexander Hartdegan, I too am ruled by the question "what if..."
rhymer
Hi Timothy_417

I just knew you were going to say that!

Joking apart, I did my dissertation on Telepathy [many years ago] and came to the conclusion that there was more than coincidence taking place.
I shall continue watching this psot with interest and if I can remeber the detail, post one incident that convinced me of communication by unknown means. [if it happens it is natural as far as I am concerned [maybe not normal, though]].

Does anybody else have first hand experience of apparently non-normal information transfer?

Best regards, Bill.
The best example I've seen recently was in the Daily Telegraph before the Iraq war. The regular cartoonist showed Bush and Blair skipping along with Bushs right leg tied to Blairs left leg.
In the last scene, however, it showed Bushes right leg tied to Blairs right leg! And yet they hadn't fallen over! But I think they are now having difficulty standing up straight! At the time I sent an e-mail asking if it was an intentional prediction but got no reply.
v3d4
[quote author=Timothy_417 link=board=5;threadid=2686;start=0#msg13786 date=1063654587]
So if we give equal consideration to the possibility that telepathy of the Charles Xavier variety might be false, how do we account for the the experiences of its adherents? ... all experienced in such a way that coincidence and circumstance cannot sufficiently explain the phenomena...[/quote]
do you mean the X men?
well i dont know. there are so many weird things that coincidence and circumstance dont explain. what about carl jung starting to think about fish as a symbol, and suddenly he starts to see / find fish everywhere?
thats why i say maybe possible but probably not practical/useful on an X men scale.
some people's experiences of remote vewing, precognition, ect. may have been real. i mean really real, but not any more significant than say for example, hypnotism. people debated wether mesmerism was real, and sure enough it is, but aside from suggesting people do something funny at a party or to help stop smoking or remember some past forgotten event, you cant hypnotize people into buying things or make them your hypno-slaves, the search for bridey murphy was a bust, and you sure cant cure all ailments with animal magnitism. and those weight-loss and "more confident sucessful you!" subliminal tapes dont work.
i guess im trying to take a middle of the road approach- maybe 'theres something to it, but dont believe the hype' kinda thing. trouble is, aside from my own experience, i dont kno where the truth ends and the hype begins.
Timothy_417
[quote]Joking apart, I did my dissertation on Telepathy [many years ago] and came to the conclusion that there was more than coincidence taking place.[/quote]

I'm dieing to here more about this...
rhymer
Hi Timothy_417,

The one item I read about when researching ESP which struck me so hard, was a person who was scheduled to fly.
This person 'had a vision' of the plane crashing, and pulled out at the last minute. The plane crashed - all aboard were killed!
I can't find my dissertation, and can't remember whether the person was M or F but I suspect Female [and American].
I also suspect that much of what is recorded as ESP is no more than human intuition. But, I do still think, as absurd as seeing into the future seems, it can happen beyond being lucky guesses. Not often, but sometimes.
My own Grandmother was able to tell fortunes and lost a very good unmarried friend when she told her she was pregnant! The boy was born nice and healthy, though.

All the best Bill.
Joesus
There are no limitations to the human condition other than what is self imposed.
I mentioned once before a scientific team that visited the Himalaya's in the late 1800's and again after the turn of the century. The Author of the books "The life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East" accounts for the documentation of instant body projection, instant healing, Telepathy and the ability to raise and lower the vibratory rate of the body to appear and dissapear in the visibility of normal human perception.
They maintain that there are no limits to what the human can do. It is only beliefs that keep the mind in a box.
In my own teaching, the same philosophy iis applied.
Extraordinary Powers are not the goal but the byproduct of Enlightenment.
Like Veda's Quote about the Buddha and the person seeking the ability to walk on water, or wanting kung Fu abilities and other aspects of the miracle power.
All these things seem bizarre and unrealistic, but even the ability to maintain perfect cellular reproduction and stop the aging process is achievable and has been experienced and documented.
It is a matter of letting go of the limiteing beliefs and applying the intention through focus on the highest attributes of the Self.
Of course if you are a non-believer there are no higher attributes than fear, aging and the inevitable trip to the funeral parlor somewhere on the average of 80 years of age.
We teach thru the application and practice of bringing the unbounded into the awareness in every moment and in every experience. As a result the students have developed a sense of knowing similar to the intimate connection that people have with family.
Like someone who is familiar with a brother, sister, mother, husband or wife, when a mood change is present it can be felt in the other. You can walk into the room and feel it.
The students here have achieved this familiarity amongst themselves and also with people they have just met.
It is not uncommon to have someone new come into the group and feel that they have been psychically invaded. Some desire to learn more and some run in fear.
Once you drop the veils of separatism there is nothing that is hidden from you, if you want to know.
If the Ego wanted to develop this and use it against another it will fail because it is not in line with the will of the best interest of the whole and it can't be supported.
The Dark side of the Force can be attractive but it always destroys the practitioner.
Listening to anothers thoughts can be entertaining but there is nothing of value in it unless it is to help another go further in their evolution.

I've also experienced many hours of speechless conversation under the influence of labratory grade LSD but to do it naturally is not a momentary experience but a developing process of ability and it doesn't go away and leave you wondering if it was imagined.
Timothy_417
All this is certainly a lot to think about. I'm wondering when Dan will weigh in?
Dan
first things first, I have to mention that most of Joey's extraordinary claims are nothing but proselytic propaganda that he apparently still believes and promotes. However, the idea of 'psychic' activity may not necessarily be bunk. It all has to do with brain structure, and, if there are 'hidden' dimensions of brain structure, how those dimensions are connected to the universe at large. If there are connections between different brains in these dimensions, then it is a simple matter of information exchange. This could be a 'primitive' connectivity such that only basic emotions/feelings are communicated; this could be what Joey is referring to in his description of his disciples.

I myself had many rather extraordinary experiences with a Ouija board; I highly recommend anybody to try and Ouija the 'spirits' for kicks as it can be rather entertaining if you get it working correctly. (I actually explain this as a separate consciousness expressing through the brain of one of the participants; perhaps akin to multiple personality disorder but totally 'disjoint'.)

8)
Laz
Dan, How on earth can you claim that Joes stuff is bunk, but Ouija boards create real effects?

Science Vs Faith!
Dan
it's just a hunch

;D
Timothy_417
My parents used to purchase Ouiji boards from garage sales and local stores, then take them out in the back yard and burn them. They were very superstitious, maybe that's why I pull back from it so strongly.

O_o
qualiagirl
hey everybody, there's research via scientific method using vigorous controls on this, haven't you heard? check out www.sheldrake.org. cheers!
Amonkst
"hey everybody, there's research via scientific method using vigorous controls on this, haven't you heard? check out www.sheldrake.org. cheers! "

Interesting data. Watched the video lecture. Great evidence we've all experieced. Like dogs anticipating there owners arrival. I've witnessed this may times with my deaf dalmation going to the door minutes before the arrival of a family member.

I've had a telepathic experience that I don't know how to classify because it involved a inanimate object. I had a car when I was younger that took up all of my time and became part of me as I restored and customized it myself. When I went away to colege I left it at home with my parents. One night, my second year, I was out parting with some friends. At around 11pm I left to use the restroom at an adjacent park. Keep in mind that i had been drinking, but was feeling completely coherent. Moments after leaving I became very disoriented. I fainted in the park and was unable to leave for over an hour due to a feeling of deep intoxication. The next day my mother called and informed me that my car, parked in front of the house, had been hit and totalled by a drunk driver losing control at a curve and skidding over 60ft. She then informed me that it had happened at approximately 11pm. Is this just coincidental? Definitely a strange happening. Im pretty sure I hadn't drank enough to get to that level of disorientation, which I had never experieced before. But its hard to believe that a telepathic connection to a car is possible. I dunno.... If anything it gave me one of many good reasons not to drink.
sam
Hi. I'm new. I've had some pretty strange yet wonderful experiences though I put that down to being intuitive as opposed to 'telepathic' or 'psychic'. Everyone has the ability! However, this isn't about me, its about my mom! She has has several precog dreams the very night before an event has occured. Whether it be a personal event or a world event, she relays the details of her dream before the event takes place! Examples are Hillsborough, Townsend Thoreson(sp?), a motorcycle accident at the end of her road that occured IDENTICALLY in real life the next day.
She refuses to get all goggle eyed about it and instead simply panics for a short while then switches off!
Every morning at my mothers is everyone on their knees praying for nice dreams!Odd but true!
Great forum...
Kaldeth

I'm not sure where to begin on that.... But have you ever NOT experienced it? seriously. think about it. You experience it everyday, everymoment in your life..... But the question is, Why do you not recognize it?
simple, you simply choose to 1.ignore it, or 2.you just don't care. or 3. you have no idea what to look for.
any questions? e-mail me at
jigglypuff_4_karen@yahoo.com

I don't think it is fair that people who can do that stuff get a negative image and reputation just because of all the negative people choose to percieve of us.
it is all how you look at it my friends, not whether you choose to believe it or not.
You can, and you will learn and see it, or you cannot, and you will continue to be ignorant, as most human beings are. They're stupid. Did you know that most humans only use no more than about 15% of their total brain capacity? and to top it off, have no knowledge of any spirituality either.
So do you think that most humans would have any understanding of anything. The other question you're really looking at, is "How is it possible?" or "Prove it to me."
*I know the answer to this question. But I refuse to talk to somebody who isn't willing to search for the answer. But if you are one of those who is searching for the answer, I will be glad to talk to you. Just e-mail me and I promise, I will answer as many, if not all of your questions.
*Love and Peace Be With Everyone Always,
-Karen
rhymer
Hi Kaldeth,

Nice to see your post, and welcome to our discussions.

I am sceptical, but undecided about telepathy.
I don't just trash off people who claim to be telepathic, but I remain unconvinced.

I have a wish that we all were telepathic, to get rid of criminal, immoral people and to create an open and honest [truthful] Society.
I have not gone into great thought about possible negative consequences [I suspect there may be some].

What I would like to know from yourself, claiming such power as you do, is 'can you choose the information you receive telepathically, or are you just a receiver of that information which is made available to you'?

I am not being cynical or negative, merely seeking the Truth, so please don't pooh pooh me!

Best regards, Bill.
sbhenderson
As a massage therapist, I work with the things "unseen", that which is underneath the skin.... one small example.... of many.... I pick up things from my patients, and have realized the secret lies in ultimately trusting gut instincts, even if it seems far out there. Example: I was working with a patient, and I kept getting the word "shrimp" popping into my head... I have learned to trust instinct, and asked her if the word "shrimp" meant anything to her... and she lauged and said that it was on her grocery list, in her purse beside the chair, and that's what she was having for dinner... she'd been craving it, and was thinking about how to prepare it....
we are so much more than just the body we are contained in... how many times do we sense we've "known" someone before, because they seem so familiar,,, or sensed the phone was going to ring, and it did... or got the urge to call an old friend... and they told you "they had just been thinking about you"...
we all have the ability to be, feel, and "see" so much more than we believe capable of.... and I have many stories that could be shared....
goodtimetribe
I've experienced telepathy through dreams and other ways. 4 to 5 weeks before my father passed away, I had a very exact premonition of an event (lasting practically 30 minutes) that occured hours after my died. I've also known which horses to bet on (I know, big deal)

I'm interested in others with experience in remote viewing.

Anonymous
yup...i had a mind-to-mind communication with someone before...sometimes i can guess what people are thinking
Laz
Can you describe the process for us? to give us some insight into how it works for you.
muzart
Hi telepaths and skeptics and ignoramii !
I am a telepath who's in touch with her lover all the time through telepathy.
It is real....you have to experience it to believe it....
But usually if you believe in God, it won't take too much effort to be convinced of someone else's experience.
Is there anybody who is in a telepathic relationship ? Frankly, it wd be relieving to know that this forum has atleast one more member who can say that yup, I enjoy telepathic sex with my lover..
Telepathy is real...believe me !!!
Oyéah
In pop psyche personality indexes, if you state that you have feelings of telepathy, they tell you that you are schizophrenic. I have had raving schizophrenics pass me on the street, and voice my thoughts. Talk about an instant diagnosis, but that has happened to me.
muzart
Well there are schizophrenics in reality. But there are also telepaths.
You see, psychologists and psychiatrists are lesser able to understand neurobiological channels which allow telepathic transfer....scientists have really proved the existence of telepathy in normal people....
So, Oyeah, I think it's time you learnt how to see things in their totality.
Laz
can you tell us how it works muzart, you know; describe the process?
yougene
Telepathy certainly seems possible. I think it has to do with the ability of projecting yourself to another place/another person. If your mind can simulate another persons thinking, and the other persons mind is simulating your thinking then telepathy is possible if you are aware of each others simulation, which you should be considering you are attempting to simulate.

I've also experienced astral projection and it seems to work in similar ways but on a larger scale.
Red Dragon
QUOTE (Timothy_417 @ Sep 14, 08:32 PM)
Have you experienced Telepathy? Well, have you?  What about precognition, group vision, past lives, shared consciousness, telekinesis, vulcan mind melding?


Telepathy - yes, receiving and sending
precognition -yes
group vision -yes, receiving and sending
past lives- hmm I call this human race memory, but yes.
shared consciousness-yes
telekinesis -yes
vulcan mind melding -"tuning" into someone's mind? yes

These are all normal human abilities. What then are you?

"There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy" Hamlet

Have fun! laugh.gif

Red Dragon
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hannibal
QUOTE (Red Dragon @ Jun 04, 06:03 AM)
QUOTE (Timothy_417 @ Sep 14, 08:32 PM)
Have you experienced Telepathy? Well, have you?  What about precognition, group vision, past lives, shared consciousness, telekinesis, vulcan mind melding?


Telepathy - yes, receiving and sending
precognition -yes
group vision -yes, receiving and sending
past lives- hmm I call this human race memory, but yes.
shared consciousness-yes
telekinesis -yes
vulcan mind melding -"tuning" into someone's mind? yes

These are all normal human abilities. What then are you?



all normal human abilities? How did you experience these things? In dreaming, mental visualizing, meditation or somthing else?
Unknown
I'd be curious to hear more about your telekinesis, Red Dragon
Unknown
Here's an essay I googled across on telekinesis:


Everyone has the potential to be able to be telekinetic. There are different things that can have a sort of psychotropic affect on the brain. Meaning, affecting the mental activity, behavior perception. Even stress and abuse can cause one to cultivate certain psychokinetic abilities. I am referring here to the actual ability, not certain mental illness that can mimic telepathy and such. Sometimes, "hearing voices", or "visions" can be the result of very serious emotional, mental illness or organic disturbances. I'm not a medical doctor. If you think you are having any problems with anything of that nature, please see your doctor.

The brain is the hardware that is utilized by the Mind. Our brain is capable of generating a neural network that when "pushed" can actual step up an energy ready to be utilized beyond our 5 senses. Neurons do communicate with each other. There is all sorts of low level subatomic and atomic dialogue going on all the time. Even at a cellular level there is communication going on. I remember years ago, I saw a documentary on, Cellular Communication. In essence, what was done is a the scientist scraped some cells from the inside of several participants mouths and placed them in a petre dish. They connected those cells to a lie-detector type looking device. They took the subjects into another room several feet away from "their" cells..

As the participants were introduced to different stimuli, naturally their bodies would react. What was amazing - so did their cells in the other room!! To further their experiment, they had the participants walk further and further from their cells in the lab - still when stimuli was introduced, those cells in the other room would respond. Next, they detached the electronic equipment to their amazement the cells in the other room still responded!! Finally, they let the subjects walk out of the building on to the street, as the they came in contact with other people or other stimulus, those cells continued to respond.

Not all mind you, but one subject was 5 miles from "her' cells in the lab when she crossed the street, she was almost hit by a car pulling out. Her cells back at the lab responded!! I find that incredible!! We are missing so much in our physical, linear confinement! Psychokinetic ability is no different.


Telekinetic Energy is Natural
These abilities are very natural. Not "freak" happenings or mutant manifestations unnatural to human development. As I mentioned earlier it, primarily, this is a Mind/Brain/Consciousness related phenomenon, though, certainly it's roots are sub-atomic, like all manifestations. Some research shows there is a lot of activity in the cortex of the brain in relationship to this. Most of what we term psychic phenomenon or mystical happening happens in the "off' phases of consciousness.

Consciousness always is in the of on/off phasing, blinking off and on, as it where. Off/On phasing phenomenon is photon related manifestation of energy and light. The energy we are dealing with here is tiny pockets or "quanta" of energies. The ability to bend spoons, levitate is happening at the other levels being only manifested as a physical event upon the space/time shell frame which we interpret as our reality. There is also a good deal of illusion as well. One must be able to discern the reality of both. Sometimes, there is a vast difference in what we THINK we see vs what IS actually happening.


What Not To Do

Before you get started trying to bend the spoons and forks, let me give you some tips on why it may not work or hasn't been working.

1. The reasons why someone has difficulty cultivating their telekinetic skills is usually one of several things. Some human emotions like stress can impede the process, though, once in awhile a stressful situation can actually increase someone's ability to achieve what appears as superhuman traits. I'm sure you've heard of the situations where all of a sudden something happens and someone can lift a ton of off someone. Yes, that has to do with adrenaline but there is also a dynamics of "quanta" going on there. In the moment of "have to" they released their natural ability to, seemingly, defy science. They didn't think about it, they just did it. No thinking, no preconceived judgments. Don't think about it so much---just practice without preconceiving.

2. Usually, though, if there isn't any real danger or need, the human emotions inhibit the path that the brain requires to create the neural network it needs to create this atmosphere. The more negative emotions, like guilt, fear, non trusting, judgmental attitudes and suspicion are enough to inhibit that natural flow that is required. One must believe it is possible. How else can we expect to manifest anything if we can't believe it's possible? You can't.

3. Don't obsess on it---relax!! Enjoy, cultivating another skill. It's not race, or a test. It's not about worth or worthy. So many spiritually based philosophies are based on reward. Spiritual awareness and evolution are not "prizes" you win. Opening up to higher levels of spiritual awareness is a growth process of evolving one1s consciousness. Telekinetics is just one more skill with the ability of possible manifestation.

4. Don't carry preconceived ideas as to the outcome. Experience it, naturally. Don't script it. Don't tell yourself how it should go or that you have to be at a certain point at a certain time---all that impedes the energy. When you do that you are so busy thinking that the correct atmosphere or pathway can not be presented. Will and Reason are not juxtaposed to telekinetic ability.

5. Don't get frustrated and angry at yourself. Again, relax and have fun with it.

6. Don't be self-conscious. Yes, many times people feel foolish or self conscious. Don't. If you can't do it right away it says nothing about who you are. It simply just says the spoon or fork isn't bending, yet - that's all.


What Can You Do
1. What we do is have an accepting attitude. Believe it can happen. Everyone I ever taught this technique to and who was successful in bending a fork or spoon, had a POSITIVE attitude about it. They may not have believed they could do it but they did believe it was possible. That's a start for the proper frame of mind. Next, believe YOU can!!

2. Focus your attention. So many people say they are concentrating but in fact their minds are scattered and they aren't really into it at all. Be there. Learn to do only one thing at a time. This is difficult in the contexts of our society's established standards. There seems to be a badge of honor attached to being able to do 50 things at once. We somehow seem to derive worth from this. Well, it's unhealthy. It's what contributes to stress, anxiety, elevated blood pressure and even depression and a host of other "dis-eases". Don't get caught up in all that. It's not about how much you can do but how well you do. It's about quality not quantity. It's a fact that the brain can really only think of one think at a time. Work with the natural process of your brain. There is an inner dialogue going on that can be distracting and scattering the energy. There are many techniques that will teach you the discipline that is required for stilling the Mind and to help you learn what true concentration really is. I recommend meditation, or Qigong, Yoga, Tai Chi or any one of the contemplative arts as a viable form to enhance self discipline and awareness.

3. The Art of Stillness. Practice being still. Yes, actually, being still without thinking anything. Try it. All the masters have acquired this skill. They can actually, sit still and think of no-thing. This is why they are able to do the "mystical" manifestations that we see. Opening a lock with the wave of a hand, or seemingly walk about without being noticed. They know how not to cause ripples in the Universal Energy. They have mastered the Self. They truly can focus on one thing and only one thing at a time. The longer you can sit still and still your mind, the more available energy you have. It is in that discipline that teaches, patience, acceptance and unconditional being. This is a skill that will enhance every aspect of your life. It's a great way to enhance one's healing techniques as well.

4. Learn to "Let Go". As soon as something, whether it's an old bias, an old emotion, blouse, anything---let go of it. Resolve things in your life as quickly as possible. It will unclutter your mind and your emotions will flow more evenly and smoothly. By learning to, "let go", we also learn to let go of preconceived out come, that is how we "think" it will turn out. If you can't let go then you are still trying to control it. If you are still trying to control things then you close off many pathways of personal and spiritual growth. Let things happen when appropriate to do so.

5. Remember the 'Law of Coalesce'? When you think on something it will attract like thoughts. 20 seconds of one pure thought attracts an equal amount of pure energy of the same resonance and quality. Each 20 mark increases a multiplies the energy. Can you imagine what you could manifest just by 2 minutes of pure unadulterated thought!!? This equation works equally for both types of thoughts---be the positive or negative in origin. Be mindful of what you think on or about. Every action you take was proceeded by a thought. What was the quality of yours?

Those were some of the techniques that will help you open up to all your abilities. They are healthy guide lines for life whether you are bending spoons or not.

Unknown
personally, I'm sceptical. There is no scientific evidence for telekinesis that I've come across. I'm hoping someone will prove me wrong on this one.
Red Dragon
QUOTE (hannibal @ Jun 04, 07:11 AM)
QUOTE (Timothy_417 @ Sep 14, 08:32 PM)
all normal human abilities?  How did you experience these things?  In dreaming, mental visualizing, meditation or somthing else?

Something else - wide awake contemplation.

What do you mean how? The mechanism is parts of the brain, brain & body for full PK; the cause is one's thought process.

Have fun!

Red Dragon
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Red Dragon
QUOTE (Unknown @ Jun 04, 07:13 AM)
I'd be curious to hear more about your telekinesis, Red Dragon

What would you like to know?

Have Fun!:lol:

Red Dragon
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Red Dragon
QUOTE (Unknown @ Jun 04, 07:17 AM)
personally, I'm sceptical. 
There is no scientific evidence for telekinesis that I've come across. 
I'm hoping someone will prove me wrong on this one.


Who cares?
PEARs Lab at Princeton U. has done this.
Good attitude to move forward with and develop these abilities. Prove it to yourself.
Hint: don't start with trying PK, try RV and AP/OBE first.

Nice post on the attitude one should have. Humour and insouciance would also be essential attributes to my way of thinking.

Have fun! laugh.gif

Red Dragon
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Robert the Bruce
Hi.

We are surely on the same path. I too can confirm what you say from personal experience. I will also include - de-materialization, affecting the wind and rain, healing, exorcisms and many other things in this list.
Red Dragon
QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Jun 04, 08:14 AM)
Hi.

We are surely on the same path. I too can confirm what you say from personal experience. I will also include - de-materialization, affecting the wind and rain, healing, exorcisms and many other things in this list.

Yes, the list is quite extensive. Are you a fan of the author 'Robert Bruce' and using his methods?

My progression of abilities differs from his. I think most of his followers will eventually go nuts as a result, if he doesn't do some educational "back-filling". He himself admitted to an NDE when trying to raise his "kundalini".

The shamanic path to self awareness makes kundalini look like a walk in the park by comparison. Ostensibly 1/3 of those who are "called", die from the experience.

I've made it... so far. smile.gif I still have a couple of experiments to do later this year and next, as well as repeat some. Then it'll be time to focus on which ones I want to develop to an "at will" capability.

Unfortunately, my "vision quest" has been interrupted in order to deal with and discard a few "real life" issues. In retrospect, I also needed the down time for a bit of reflection and consolidation of thinking, its been a pretty wild trip.

As for theories about the "singularity" folks anticipate, it most likely will be a biological cascade of awareness or supraconsciousness, with or without a mechanical assist. Once there is a critical mass of aware human beings, it'll lilterally be like everyone else picking up on their "vibes".

Unfortunately those vibes will also turn "unbalanced" folks into animals, so there'll be a little fun involved as well as we separate human beings from monkeys.

Have fun! laugh.gif

Red Dragon
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Robert the Bruce
No. I am not a 'fan' of Robert Bruce. I have read a little of his work in some articles on the web once people started thinking I was him. My name is Robert Bruce Baird. He is from Australia and I am from Canada. It does seem to be a synchroniccity though - because I can confirm his 'psychic sex' experiences from personal battles with sorcerers. I will be doing a book on NDEs and Kundalini poisoning that is coming about due to a Califormia woman who has documentation and proof related to the death of her grandmother - she did not see the connection to Kundalini abd some of what I have posted here from Dr Paul Pond. I have another correspondent with personal experience in this that includes a confrontation with a lady (of great knowledge in the Merovingian Order who you may know) named Jenna who told him he was poisoned and I have continued to help him.

Yes, one must face death as you say. I assure you I have.
Red Dragon
My first major experience in picking up a person's thoughts (i.e. not "intuitive" fragments):

Well, the initial event that started me on my quest for answers was in Boston, wintertime 1985. I was standing at my favourite local Irish pub gazing absent mindedly at my drink. The fellow next to me started a conversation. This went on for a little while when he tapped me on the shoulder. When I looked up, he remarked and inquired as to how was I having a conversation about what he was thinking about, when he hadn't said a thing! He said had been staring at me waiting for antennae to sprout from my head (in a friendly, curious manner). "Oh!?" I said, and promptly fainted! blink.gif

Oh, Well! I guess I can always blame it on the Irish! biggrin.gif

Have fun! laugh.gif

Red Dragon
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Robert the Bruce
Mine was in jail in 1971. I had been in once before for parking tickets and there were people who heard I was back. The pipes or bars were alive with tapping that the guy on the bed next to me said was communicating 'the guy who loves jail is back'. I went to the front of the large communal cell to meet a guy who I had met on that occasion. The guy in the bed next to me asked 'Are you the guy who loves jail?'

This man also initiated me to what I now know is in The Clestine Prophecy because when I left jail two days later I 'grokked' a cat.
Red Dragon
QUOTE (Robert the Bruce @ Jun 04, 09:16 AM)
It does seem to be a synchroniccity though - because I can confirm his 'psychic sex' experiences from personal battles with sorcerers.

Yes, one must face death as you say. I assure you I have.

Heh, heh, they tried that on you too did they? I enjoyed it, but I seem to scare the s**t out of the stupid f**ks when their hocus focus doesn't work on me. laugh.gif

Which death? Ego death or the death mirror as in kundalini and eastern mysticism, an NDE or, the "Prince of Darkness" himself?

The cause of shamans dying is from the initial "spiritual sickness" when the spirit tries to kill the shamanic prospect.

http://www.kundalini-teacher.com/awakening/shamn.html is one of the better blurbs I've come across, but from a female shaman's point of view.

Have fun! laugh.gif

Red Dragon
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Robert the Bruce
I have had at least eight possession probes by witches over three decades and just one psychic sex *uck by a man. You are right about the lack of fear (See Keltic Creed). That is also how I approach the issue of death - all manner thereof.

Have you looked into Hank Wesselman and his shamanic wife?

Castaneda is great too.

I must clarify one thing though - I am not into 'siddhis' and do not engage ritual to any extent. When I did this in the process of learning I had many great blessings come to or through me - but always with RIGHT THOUGHT. Now I simple act in RIGHT ACTION and care little for what blessings come to me.

I find Krishnamurti was right about the seductive nature of sorcery.
Red Dragon
QUOTE (Robert the Bruce)
I have had at least eight possession probes by witches over three decades and just one psychic sex *uck by a man. You are right about the lack of fear (See Keltic Creed). That is also how I approach the issue of death - all manner thereof.


Never had a posession probe, but once someone tried to get into the space I was "parked" in. Threw them out pretty quickly.

Yuck about the man, at least mine were women.

I had the challenge of meeting the "dark one" himself. After that, things merely might startle you momentarily.

I read your bio on another site; very impressive. I had a bit of a different path and you're way ahead of me on the detailed mechanics. But there are some crucial mechanical differences missing in the literature. My 1st formal paths were shamanism and the (self taught) kabbalah. I crashed into the Tree of Life while in The Void and shattered the damn thing.

I thought I was having a psychic or spiritual awakening in the 80's until I was recognized as a shaman by a M'iq M'aq, Northern Cree shaman in the early 90's.

QUOTE
Have you looked into Hank Wesselman and his shamanic wife?

Castaneda is great too.


No, but I will re Wesselman. Castenada was a big influence on my thinking in the late 60's, early 70's .

QUOTE
I must clarify one thing though - I am not into 'siddhis' and do not engage ritual to any extent. When I did this in the process of learning I had many great blessings come to or through me - but always with RIGHT THOUGHT. Now I simple act in RIGHT ACTION and care little for what blessings come to me.


Me too about not being into siddhis and ritual - I only heard about Kundalini very late in the game and it seems I do it naturally.

Sounds like you're an affectionado of the Buddhist 8 fold path.

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I find Krishnamurti was right about the seductive nature of sorcery.


Another name for me to look up! rolleyes.gif

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Anyway, here's my card showing ALL THREE EYES of the MYSTERIES (The 3rd eye is short for 3rd eye of the mysteries or one's "5th" eye). No prize for guessing that Grandmother Spider Woman was a primary spirit guide. As inferred I go "in" "upside down and backwards".

The back of the card is "Spirit's signature" upon the full activation of my pineal gland. The colour shouild be more mauvish, but the printer screwed up. The top left is a representation of my "double silvered mirror". You also seem to be a fan of Tesla's from what limited info I've read so far, so you'll be aware of what that means.

BTW, is this your site?

Have fun! laugh.gif

Red Dragon
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Ooops! I also seem to have picked up a pair of wings in the 11th + dimensions. biggrin.gif
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