My be its just me but i get really inspired by certain musical riffs, compositiona and lyrics.... they seem to reach in and grip you.
just listening to the beats, and the lyrics can create a vibe that will enrich your thoughts and bring out some amazing works.
like i said this is for me other people might think differently....
Later,
Anne
Full Version: Music
I agree with you about music being a great source of inspiration for me as well. I find the lyrics and the music to be captivating and motivating!
ESPECIALLY KoRn...
Love Dara
ESPECIALLY KoRn...
Love Dara
Good thread, Anne. I'm glad you started it.
I've found thru experience that different types of music are very good for putting you into certain mental states, and also for enhancing certain mental states. For example, Bach facilitates certain modes of analytical thought, whereas hardcore/industrial gets me all worked up and ready for intense physical activity (like running or working out). Also, Mozart and Vivaldi are very good for long-distance running. Trance is excellent for putting me in a creative state of mind, though I also find Bach useful here.
take care,
Shawn
I've found thru experience that different types of music are very good for putting you into certain mental states, and also for enhancing certain mental states. For example, Bach facilitates certain modes of analytical thought, whereas hardcore/industrial gets me all worked up and ready for intense physical activity (like running or working out). Also, Mozart and Vivaldi are very good for long-distance running. Trance is excellent for putting me in a creative state of mind, though I also find Bach useful here.
take care,
Shawn
I agree with Dara
KoRn helps get anger out so does Ozzy
without music I think we'd all be dead
KoRn helps get anger out so does Ozzy
without music I think we'd all be dead
( my "love" Sasha wrote this)
there is no reason for music...no logical explanation for what would have driven mankind to start keeping beat. It's a way to express on the outside what you are feeling inside. I love electronic music because it is my heartbeat. the pounding of the bass is what I feel inside 24/7, it's what drives me, it's what keeps me alive.
when I see people dance at parties, I can see the joy of being lost in the beat, in the music that is our lives. Dancing is primal and unrestrained, it is a pure release. What I love about going to parties is that I can forget my life and everyone around me...and just be free...just dance.
there is no reason for music...no logical explanation for what would have driven mankind to start keeping beat. It's a way to express on the outside what you are feeling inside. I love electronic music because it is my heartbeat. the pounding of the bass is what I feel inside 24/7, it's what drives me, it's what keeps me alive.
when I see people dance at parties, I can see the joy of being lost in the beat, in the music that is our lives. Dancing is primal and unrestrained, it is a pure release. What I love about going to parties is that I can forget my life and everyone around me...and just be free...just dance.
I agree that music is quite possibly the backbone of ALL human thought and/or creation. It sickens me whenever I hear someone bad-mouthing a certain genre of music because in all honesty there is no such thing as the BEST music. The music industry itself is such an opiniated business. I used to be one of those metalheads who would always defend his rock roots.
But as time went on I grew wiser and a lot more open-minded. I think my guitar playing is what truly opened me up to ALL genres of music. I am now 20 yrs old and have been playing guitar for 8 yrs. I LOVE PLAYING!
Music definitely saved me from those angst-ridden teenage years. I once felt lost and without a purpose but ever since I plugged in the guitar I have felt a sense of belonging.Belonging to something better than this narrow-minded society. Anyways I could babble on forever but there wouldn't be enough room.
I like the idea behind mind-brain.com!
Keep up the awesome site.
But as time went on I grew wiser and a lot more open-minded. I think my guitar playing is what truly opened me up to ALL genres of music. I am now 20 yrs old and have been playing guitar for 8 yrs. I LOVE PLAYING!
Music definitely saved me from those angst-ridden teenage years. I once felt lost and without a purpose but ever since I plugged in the guitar I have felt a sense of belonging.Belonging to something better than this narrow-minded society. Anyways I could babble on forever but there wouldn't be enough room.
I like the idea behind mind-brain.com!
Keep up the awesome site.
AAAAAAAAah MUSIC!!! I think music is what sets ME free! I find that I am realy at peace when I am listening to my music, especialy the bands that cnnect with my heart, mind and soul! Only music has this effect on me, can allow me to be in tough with my felings!
I love it! Thanks for the wonderful thread here!
Love,
Dara
I love it! Thanks for the wonderful thread here!
Love,
Dara
Incubus in particular relaxes me and inspires me to write.... and i dont know why, but creed is also another band that seems to inspire me... and i dont usually like music that is based around christian topicalness....
My guitar is a big help in letting me relieve stress and creativity that i have. Drawing also helps me a lot,
My guitar is a big help in letting me relieve stress and creativity that i have. Drawing also helps me a lot,
Pariah, I used to be the same way. I was into my kind of music and that was all there was to me. When I went to college I realized how many different types of music there are. My appreciation for many types of music developed. It helped me realize what kind of music I like best.
Most popular music is repetative riffs. They play the same riffs 10 times. I can't stand a lot of metal bands, emo, rock and roll bands... for this reason. Come on, Creed? Korn? I can make a better song with a can of beans and my ass.
There is no way that music plays an essential role in all thought and/or creation. That's crazy. If that is true, then music is God. I'm not willing to believe that Creed comes close to making something divine.
<That's just my over-analytical, over-critical, as well as cynical, response... I'm just trying (like everyone else) to keep it real.>
Most popular music is repetative riffs. They play the same riffs 10 times. I can't stand a lot of metal bands, emo, rock and roll bands... for this reason. Come on, Creed? Korn? I can make a better song with a can of beans and my ass.
There is no way that music plays an essential role in all thought and/or creation. That's crazy. If that is true, then music is God. I'm not willing to believe that Creed comes close to making something divine.
<That's just my over-analytical, over-critical, as well as cynical, response... I'm just trying (like everyone else) to keep it real.>
Music is God, and God is music! (made you look!)
Why?
Because all things are patterns of 'something.' In fact, the closer you look at things, the more you see only patterns. Look at a photo under 30x magnification and you only see dots; look at matter under Planck magnification and you only see wiggly probability-mathematical-thought patterns that don't even make sense as 'matter' anymore.
Did you know that if you could travel in the right directionabout forty billion miles you might meet your exact duplicate? (Tegmark, Scientific American, 2003.) Go far enough, and everything repeats like the wallpaper in your grandma's house. All patterns are expressed. Every you is true.
Every musician knows that all music is patterns (if you don't understand the genre, you don't understand the patterns and their meaning). Jazz, like all great music, is the great unspoken truth. If it is not the great unspoken truth, it's not good music. Complexity results from putting off repetition, which is why those jazz players want to go through every possible variation and not revisit them. If you find a music 'stupid' you mean that it is repeating itself and boring you (I once read that the charm of punk was its high information content, and when punkers siad something bored them, they weren't being cruel, they were simply pointing out that it had low information content.)
This is why you (and I, incidentally) find Creed deficient; they might feel genuine awe or joy, for example, but have not done well in communicating that to our nervous systems.
I find that if one has something interesting to say, one finds a way to say it.
Incidentally, I suspect that the beat is very deep in the human mind. We start from a clump of cells deep in our mother's womb, and before we can feel the world, or see it, we can hear a heartbeat, and any other rhythm that may be filtering in. Our brain is probably using this early input in ways we don't understand yet; we are very rhythmic creatures.
Why?
Because all things are patterns of 'something.' In fact, the closer you look at things, the more you see only patterns. Look at a photo under 30x magnification and you only see dots; look at matter under Planck magnification and you only see wiggly probability-mathematical-thought patterns that don't even make sense as 'matter' anymore.
Did you know that if you could travel in the right directionabout forty billion miles you might meet your exact duplicate? (Tegmark, Scientific American, 2003.) Go far enough, and everything repeats like the wallpaper in your grandma's house. All patterns are expressed. Every you is true.
Every musician knows that all music is patterns (if you don't understand the genre, you don't understand the patterns and their meaning). Jazz, like all great music, is the great unspoken truth. If it is not the great unspoken truth, it's not good music. Complexity results from putting off repetition, which is why those jazz players want to go through every possible variation and not revisit them. If you find a music 'stupid' you mean that it is repeating itself and boring you (I once read that the charm of punk was its high information content, and when punkers siad something bored them, they weren't being cruel, they were simply pointing out that it had low information content.)
This is why you (and I, incidentally) find Creed deficient; they might feel genuine awe or joy, for example, but have not done well in communicating that to our nervous systems.
I find that if one has something interesting to say, one finds a way to say it.
Incidentally, I suspect that the beat is very deep in the human mind. We start from a clump of cells deep in our mother's womb, and before we can feel the world, or see it, we can hear a heartbeat, and any other rhythm that may be filtering in. Our brain is probably using this early input in ways we don't understand yet; we are very rhythmic creatures.
I must say this because it may be the only time to refer to them on this site, but Pink Floyd all the way.
hey anne, have you ever partied at the dayton gym club... or the 0ne 8up club in the oregon district? i live in fl, but used to live up 75 in findlay and made it to some pretty cool parties
| QUOTE (AmbientSnowflake @ Aug 16, 08:11 PM) |
| There is no way that music plays an essential role in all thought and/or creation. That's crazy. If that is true, then music is God. <That's just my over-analytical, over-critical, as well as cynical, response... I'm just trying (like everyone else) to keep it real.> |
Dear Snowflake
If your quote is to be considered true then you have never been moved by music.
Apart from religion, music is the most powerful form of information available to humans.
It stemmed from the early rythmic sounds of our past from the early primates as a way of communicating over distances further than the human voice could be carried. Since then it has shaped every single nation at the most pivotal point in a humans life. " The teenage years"
At this time in your life you are waking up to the idea that your parents are not always right. The world keeps on moving and the music we all listen to defines us.
Punk rock for an example came from (according to all the "clever" people) London in the 70s, but did you know that Mozart was considered a rebel in his time ?
Music is an expression of emotion through sound waves. Everything in this universe is in constant motion, everything reverberates at a different pitch and speed. Light for example is just a wave length of a certain speed that we humans perceive. Everything in the universe can be reduced to wavelengths moving at varying speeds.
Considering music to being a God, well I think that music is just as powerful a medium as religious belief is. When you as a teenager have realised your parents are not always right and their world was a different place that cannot possibly be related to yours, you try and find solace in like-minded people. One of the mediums that help to define generations is the music that people not only listen to but relate to the texts. Who hasnt listened to thier favourite music and wished the world could understand it ? Who hasnt been moved by the lyrics of a sad song ? Who hasnt wondered why the popular music of the time could express your emotions better than you could yourself ?
Who hasnt noticed that most bands start off together as teenagers trying to rebel against the conformity of thier surroundings ? Think of the greats within the music gendré, how old was Elvis when he became famous, how about the Beatles ? The Rolling Stones ?
All musicians are influenced by their surroundings and when they understand as an individual they cannot change the world, they try to let their lyrics and music speak for them.
Humans as stated before in this thread are subjected to the outside world long before they are born. The rythmic beat of a mothers heart whilst the child is still within the womb is still the best "music" to soothe a child. Even though we as adults cannot remember our early years, I as a parent have used music to calm my children and there have been numerous trials where the heartbeat of a mother has been played back to infants and they automatically feel safe and content. The most effective "pacifier" I found for my children when they were infants was singing softly to them. Walking back and forth rocking the baby gently holding it close to my chest so they could feel my heartbeat and singing lullabys. Any parent of a colic child would tell you the same.
I believe that music does play an essential role in ALL thought and ALL creation, but it isnt God as we humans perceive an immortal almight being to be. But and its a big but, understanding the human need to label everything to make it easier to identify with, the entire universe can ( and has been by many religions ) be explained as a "song", it is all dependant upon your own interpretationof the word " song". Is it music and only music ? Or is it a relation between everything in the universe travelling along wavelengths ?
So just remember, a generation can de defined by the music it identifies with alone. The local environment is the sorce of inspiration. If there wasnt so much death and destruction in needless wars in the 60s the hippie movement and its music would never have existed. If the oppression of slaves from the African continent to the US hadnt taken place then almost all modern music from soul to jazz wouldnt exist. Rock music is an evolutionary product from these sources.
It is simple to understand the rock music of today, it is just the youth of the world telling us they are not happy with the way the world is today, and they like to shout and scream into their microphones. Those who identify with this music want to shout and scream for the very same reasons. We are all taught to believe in this "good versus evil " scenario and the world would be a better place if we all thought the same way, idyllic ideals etc... but we also know that this world of ours doesnt work that way. I hope you understand what I mean.
We all have an inherant "little rebel" inside of us and music can allow this rebel to be heard.
Just another quick example of the power of music, have you ever been to or seen a music concert ? Havent you noticed the amount of emotions that can be generated by a few people on the stage and thousands in the audience ? They move people more than the most prolific of political speakers in the world.
There is something called the politics of music. If used correctly it can unify anyone and everyone, if used incorrectly it can rip society apart. Never under estimate the power of music !!!
Just think of the amount of great movies that would have been mediocre if the soundtrack was void of music !
Well thats my twopennyworth
J
Music is indeed the most obvious creative element in all things. As we know - Pythagoras is credited with developing the octave and through the use of unseen energy related to this - he healed as did the Therapeutae. He learned about the phi and lattices of energy which we now see String Theory knows start out with 'one-dimensional harmonic forces'. Indeed all forms of energy including the dross or most simple things we can SEE are comprised of harmonic forces - therefore.
You note that would mean music is GO(o)d and that is what the Harmonic Convergence people (like me) think. It is there in the Logos and the chants we could form with our mouth with simple clicking noises to start with. It is there in the archetypes of our collective thoughts built up over eons before we could speak anything more than an 'a' vowel which may have occured only 15,000 years ago. None of what speech has added means the ancients could not think despite what Lockean scholars posited.
You note that would mean music is GO(o)d and that is what the Harmonic Convergence people (like me) think. It is there in the Logos and the chants we could form with our mouth with simple clicking noises to start with. It is there in the archetypes of our collective thoughts built up over eons before we could speak anything more than an 'a' vowel which may have occured only 15,000 years ago. None of what speech has added means the ancients could not think despite what Lockean scholars posited.
boards of canada
pub
sylvian/czukay plight and premonition
( i am sure everyone has this one, its good to think by/ create by or sleep by.
dopplereffekt
soehngenetic
loscil (triplepoint )
atol scrap by arovane
casino versus japan
all is full of love BJORK ( the DVD version )
these cds have been played many times while I have made artworks
in the past while tripping heavily on drugs
and currently with nothing more than a coffee or a snack
and so far I would say 90 percent of the time I end up with
a really amazing artwork ( though as a rule I dispose of 9 out of ten so I have to do ten in a sitting to get ONE really superb piece, BUT these percentages are he same whether I work daily or once per week )
I credit the music for putting my brain in a certain neurological state to produce.
When I work in silence my work is successful less often BUT
I know some people are the opposite ! i bet writers mostly prefer silence (?)
pub
sylvian/czukay plight and premonition
( i am sure everyone has this one, its good to think by/ create by or sleep by.
dopplereffekt
soehngenetic
loscil (triplepoint )
atol scrap by arovane
casino versus japan
all is full of love BJORK ( the DVD version )
these cds have been played many times while I have made artworks
in the past while tripping heavily on drugs
and currently with nothing more than a coffee or a snack
and so far I would say 90 percent of the time I end up with
a really amazing artwork ( though as a rule I dispose of 9 out of ten so I have to do ten in a sitting to get ONE really superb piece, BUT these percentages are he same whether I work daily or once per week )
I credit the music for putting my brain in a certain neurological state to produce.
When I work in silence my work is successful less often BUT
I know some people are the opposite ! i bet writers mostly prefer silence (?)
well the thing about music is that it is something understood through our sense of hearing. it is made of sounds. different sounds and sound combinations invoke different emotions in us because of what our minds relate thoes sounds to. for example, think of the notes and note combinations that a baby makes when it is crying. think about how you feel when you hear a baby cry. then think of music that makes you feel the same way that you feel when you hear the baby cry and see if that music contains the same notes and note combinations that the baby makes. the nature of music is the music of nature.
| QUOTE (flowerfairy @ Mar 28, 07:32 AM) |
| .... think about how you feel when you hear a baby cry. then think of music that makes you feel the same way that you feel when you hear the baby cry and see if that music contains the same notes and note combinations that the baby makes. the nature of music is the music of nature. |
Is there any scientific evidence for this? It is an interesting hypothesis.
Listening to birdsong, frog calls, and cricket buzzing makes me realize just how long music has been around. While our human music has gone well beyond direct courtship signals, the emotional component hints at the idea that music is using emotional areas of the brain to communicate to the listener a reliable signal of attraction to the sound being emitted. While we all have our own preferences in music, when someone misses notes or plays off-time, whether it's classical or garage rock, everyone recognizes it.
Music's innate sensory bias towards creative auditory expression within an abstract, though relative framework of musical tempo and pitch frequency is pretty mysterious in origin, especially due to it's ever-changing genres and styles that help to define generations. Good music isn't easy to create, yet it is well-prized, very attractive, and taken seriously as an interest by just about everyone. With this sort of selection towards musical talent, you'd think we'd all be Mozart's by now.
The variety of emotions that different musical styles brings is interesting to me, as well as the idea that our adolescent stage heightens this emotional importance.
My cousin (who's 16 mos. now) has been dancing to music ever since he learned to stand up. Truly innate as far I'm concerned. The transformation of music from it's evolutionary roots to today almost makes it harder to understand it's function, but as long as it still makes us feel, I guess that's all that really matters.
Music's innate sensory bias towards creative auditory expression within an abstract, though relative framework of musical tempo and pitch frequency is pretty mysterious in origin, especially due to it's ever-changing genres and styles that help to define generations. Good music isn't easy to create, yet it is well-prized, very attractive, and taken seriously as an interest by just about everyone. With this sort of selection towards musical talent, you'd think we'd all be Mozart's by now.
The variety of emotions that different musical styles brings is interesting to me, as well as the idea that our adolescent stage heightens this emotional importance.
My cousin (who's 16 mos. now) has been dancing to music ever since he learned to stand up. Truly innate as far I'm concerned. The transformation of music from it's evolutionary roots to today almost makes it harder to understand it's function, but as long as it still makes us feel, I guess that's all that really matters.
It's funny, I was just talking with someone about this topic today. A very basic question might be, What exactly is music? What makes one set of sounds unmistakably music, while another set of sounds is not? Since virtually all of us seem to be able to recognize music when we hear it, and since we univerally dance to it, create it, and just plain enjoy it, I think it must have been very important for our survival at one time.
I remember hearing about an interesting study about the impact of music on the brain when coupled with exercise. I found an article about it:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/...40324071444.htm
I remember hearing about an interesting study about the impact of music on the brain when coupled with exercise. I found an article about it:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/...40324071444.htm
QUOTE
Participants reported feeling better emotionally and mentally after working out regardless of whether or not they listened to music. But the improvement in verbal fluency test performance after listening to music was more than double that of the non-music condition.
my profile has nice music, i just changed it again. http://www.myspace.com/tone303
I like to listen to Keiko Matsui (smooth jazz) when I write poetry,
First: Her songs are instrumental so I can think of my own words rather than hear someone else's words. My favourite songs of hers are "Mountain Shakedown", "A Cat on the Chimney" and "Mask"
Second: I hear music all the time in my head, I can't turnoff the stereo. I can drowned it out like when I watch TV or play a CD, but if the room is quiet, then I always hear music. I went to a doctor once about it, and he said that this was normal for some people.
First: Her songs are instrumental so I can think of my own words rather than hear someone else's words. My favourite songs of hers are "Mountain Shakedown", "A Cat on the Chimney" and "Mask"
Second: I hear music all the time in my head, I can't turnoff the stereo. I can drowned it out like when I watch TV or play a CD, but if the room is quiet, then I always hear music. I went to a doctor once about it, and he said that this was normal for some people.
QUOTE(Neurosail @ Mar 06, 02:51 AM) 
I like to listen to Keiko Matsui (smooth jazz) when I write poetry,
First: Her songs are instrumental so I can think of my own words rather than hear someone else's words. My favourite songs of hers are "Mountain Shakedown", "A Cat on the Chimney" and "Mask"
Second: I hear music all the time in my head, I can't turnoff the stereo. I can drowned it out like when I watch TV or play a CD, but if the room is quiet, then I always hear music. I went to a doctor once about it, and he said that this was normal for some people.
Hi Neurosail--what a great name.
I'd never heard Keiko Matsui, but after putting her name into my list at pandora.com, I'm currently listening to songs by her and others of the same genre. I almost forgot how relaxing and/or inspiring instrumental music can be.
Btw, pandora is free, and it automatically plays a stream of music based on a favored artist or song that you select (see quote). I have it going almost all the time now while I'm on the computer. Apparently, the database has over 300,000 songs. I've developed several personalized "radio stations" to suit my mood. It's great because it often selects songs that I love by artists that I'd otherwise never know about. If anyone else out there uses pandora, I'd really like to hear feedback and share ideas.
QUOTE
The Music Genome Project
On January 6, 2000 a group of musicians and music-loving technologists came together with the idea of creating the most comprehensive analysis of music ever.
Together we set out to capture the essence of music at the most fundamental level. We ended up assembling literally hundreds of musical attributes or "genes" into a very large Music Genome. Taken together these genes capture the unique and magical musical identity of a song - everything from melody, harmony and rhythm, to instrumentation, orchestration, arrangement, lyrics, and of course the rich world of singing and vocal harmony. It's not about what a band looks like, or what genre they supposedly belong to, or about who buys their records - it's about what each individual song sounds like.
Over the past 5 years, we've carefully listened to the songs of over 10,000 different artists - ranging from popular to obscure - and analyzed the musical qualities of each song one attribute at a time. This work continues each and every day as we endeavor to include all the great new stuff coming out of studios, clubs and garages around the world.
It has been quite an adventure, you could say a little crazy - but now that we've created this extraordinary collection of music analysis, we think we can help be your guide as you explore your favorite parts of the music universe.
We hope you enjoy the journey.
Tim Westergren
Founder
The Music Genome Project
© 2005-2006 Pandora Media, Inc., All Rights Reserved
I also hear music in my head all the time--often a song I detest (ie, Afternoon Delight).
Thanks! I chose Neuro because that is what I am in cryonics, and sail because I want to sail though the ages
"Afternoon Delight" does get old after the 100 time hearing it in rotation. Thanks for the information about pandora. I will open that box later!
You might also like to listen to:
Bond: It is modern classical and party music! (Some of it is.) I like "Adagio for Strings", "Midnight Garden" and "Lullaby" off their "Classified" album for thinking music.
Then I like "Bond Remixed" album (All of it!) for party, (but there is one Christmas song on it, just to warn you, I just "Skip" that unless it is Christmas.)
I also have Animusic (Soundtrack), It is all computer music.
Back to jazz: I also have Wynton Marsalis and Ellis Marsalis "Joe Cool's Blue" music from "Peanuts and the Gang".
And last but not lease is the instrumental classics:
Henri Mancini's "Pink Panther Theme", and "The Windmills of Your Mind" (So true for me!),
Vangelis "Chariots Of Fire" and "Heaven and Hell"
QUOTE
I also hear music in my head all the time--often a song I detest (ie, Afternoon Delight).
"Afternoon Delight" does get old after the 100 time hearing it in rotation. Thanks for the information about pandora. I will open that box later!
You might also like to listen to:
Bond: It is modern classical and party music! (Some of it is.) I like "Adagio for Strings", "Midnight Garden" and "Lullaby" off their "Classified" album for thinking music.
Then I like "Bond Remixed" album (All of it!) for party, (but there is one Christmas song on it, just to warn you, I just "Skip" that unless it is Christmas.)
I also have Animusic (Soundtrack), It is all computer music.
Back to jazz: I also have Wynton Marsalis and Ellis Marsalis "Joe Cool's Blue" music from "Peanuts and the Gang".
And last but not lease is the instrumental classics:
Henri Mancini's "Pink Panther Theme", and "The Windmills of Your Mind" (So true for me!),
Vangelis "Chariots Of Fire" and "Heaven and Hell"
If you are looking for music to help with this crappy existence then try listening to TOOL,the depth of the lyrics is bottomless,the riffs and percussion are technically simple but they re-work and vary the number of beats in ways few have or will consider and then you have MAYNARD JAMES KEENAN`s Voice ,if angels existed and could sing they would pale in comparison (i kid you not),try the new album 10,000 DAYS(right in two is my fav track)also lateralus people of all tastes wil enjoy this and LATERALUS,their earlier work would probably only appeal to the rock crowd(but anyone struggling with this reality or others view of reality will adore their work...)PS-MUSIC IS FOOD FOR THE SOUL! (if the soul wasn`t an abstract concept obviously-but never the less it still has the power to quell the beast.
QUOTE(OnlyNow @ Mar 07, 05:10 PM)
The Music Genome Project
On January 6, 2000 a group of musicians and music-loving technologists came together with the idea of creating the most comprehensive analysis of music ever.
Together we set out to capture the essence of music at the most fundamental level. We ended up assembling literally hundreds of musical attributes or "genes" into a very large Music Genome. Taken together these genes capture the unique and magical musical identity of a song - everything from melody, harmony and rhythm, to instrumentation, orchestration, arrangement, lyrics, and of course the rich world of singing and vocal harmony. It's not about what a band looks like, or what genre they supposedly belong to, or about who buys their records - it's about what each individual song sounds like.
Over the past 5 years, we've carefully listened to the songs of over 10,000 different artists - ranging from popular to obscure - and analyzed the musical qualities of each song one attribute at a time. This work continues each and every day as we endeavor to include all the great new stuff coming out of studios, clubs and garages around the world.
It has been quite an adventure, you could say a little crazy - but now that we've created this extraordinary collection of music analysis, we think we can help be your guide as you explore your favorite parts of the music universe.
We hope you enjoy the journey.
Tim Westergren
Founder
The Music Genome Project
© 2005-2006 Pandora Media, Inc., All Rights Reserved
gene (j?n)
n.
A hereditary unit consisting of a sequence of DNA that occupies a specific location on a chromosome and determines a particular characteristic in an organism. Genes undergo mutation when their DNA sequence changes.
[German Gen, from gen-, begetting, in Greek words (such as genos, race, offspring).]
Bad choice and trendy usurping of a biological. What has the structure of music got to do with genes? The fundamentals of music are wavelength, frequency, auditory detection and neuro(personal)interpretation. Try creating a title out of that lot. (ps, I was trained on classical piano and also play the guitar; also use an Evolution keyboard with garageband, listen from Purcell to M.Manson; wife sings with York Opera and runs a singing school, so have a bit of experience of music). Apart from that, what a great project. I look forward to reading(hearing) more.
QUOTE(mike davies @ May 03, 01:49 PM)
If you are looking for music to help with this crappy existence then try listening to TOOL,the depth of the lyrics is bottomless,the riffs and percussion are technically simple but they re-work and vary the number of beats in ways few have or will consider and then you have MAYNARD JAMES KEENAN`s Voice ,if angels existed and could sing they would pale in comparison (i kid you not),try the new album 10,000 DAYS(right in two is my fav track)also lateralus people of all tastes wil enjoy this and LATERALUS,their earlier work would probably only appeal to the rock crowd(but anyone struggling with this reality or others view of reality will adore their work...)PS-MUSIC IS FOOD FOR THE SOUL! (if the soul wasn`t an abstract concept obviously-but never the less it still has the power to quell the beast.
You need to listen to (more) Andreas Scholl and Stephen Fretwell (try New York).
So, Hey Hey, did you actually listen to Tool?
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ May 03, 06:52 AM)
QUOTE(OnlyNow @ Mar 07, 05:10 PM)
The Music Genome Project
On January 6, 2000 a group of musicians and music-loving technologists came together with the idea of creating the most comprehensive analysis of music ever.
Together we set out to capture the essence of music at the most fundamental level. We ended up assembling literally hundreds of musical attributes or "genes" into a very large Music Genome. Taken together these genes capture the unique and magical musical identity of a song - everything from melody, harmony and rhythm, to instrumentation, orchestration, arrangement, lyrics, and of course the rich world of singing and vocal harmony. It's not about what a band looks like, or what genre they supposedly belong to, or about who buys their records - it's about what each individual song sounds like.
Over the past 5 years, we've carefully listened to the songs of over 10,000 different artists - ranging from popular to obscure - and analyzed the musical qualities of each song one attribute at a time. This work continues each and every day as we endeavor to include all the great new stuff coming out of studios, clubs and garages around the world.
It has been quite an adventure, you could say a little crazy - but now that we've created this extraordinary collection of music analysis, we think we can help be your guide as you explore your favorite parts of the music universe.
We hope you enjoy the journey.
Tim Westergren
Founder
The Music Genome Project
© 2005-2006 Pandora Media, Inc., All Rights Reserved
gene (j?n)
n.
A hereditary unit consisting of a sequence of DNA that occupies a specific location on a chromosome and determines a particular characteristic in an organism. Genes undergo mutation when their DNA sequence changes.
[German Gen, from gen-, begetting, in Greek words (such as genos, race, offspring).]
Bad choice and trendy usurping of a biological. What has the structure of music got to do with genes? The fundamentals of music are wavelength, frequency, auditory detection and neuro(personal)interpretation. Try creating a title out of that lot. (ps, I was trained on classical piano and also play the guitar; also use an Evolution keyboard with garageband, listen from Purcell to M.Manson; wife sings with York Opera and runs a singing school, so have a bit of experience of music). Apart from that, what a great project. I look forward to reading(hearing) more.
The name genome is not the best choice, agreed. But did you actually try pandora.com? It's incredibly easy to use. In fact, mid-sentence, I created a "radio station" based on Tool's music. I'd never heard Tool before, but right now, I'm listening to Lateralus.
QUOTE(Rick @ May 03, 05:57 PM)
So, Hey Hey, did you actually listen to Tool?
I did (10000 Days and Lateralus I already had, but my son tells me I need Aenima). However, Ludovico Einaudi says so much more without words - Le Onde is pure beauty. I'd listen to more, but I've just discovered Archi Bronson Outfit and Karine Polwart and life is too full. Can you cope with the school music lesson music in lieu of Tools lyrics? Well, OK not every track on an album is usually agreeable to everyone. But yes, I have them there and sometimes my iTunes playlist reaches.
QUOTE(Guest @ May 03, 11:11 PM)
But did you actually try pandora.com? It's incredibly easy to use.
Yes I did. When I entered Shawn Phillips (my third entry) up popped Man Hole Covered Wagon (From Contribution, around 1970). Then second on my list was Neil Young. Well, say no more. But hang on, I have all this stuff on CD or mp3 already. Have to go further down the list. But seriously, its quick and good sound quality. Yep, it's fine. Actually I had seen pandora before but not used it. Thanks for getting me to try it. It's nice to know someone else rates Shawn (Phillips).
ps I almost always write poetry to melancholic music (with or without lyrics, contemporary or classical or whatever). I'm currently retroing with the Moody Blues (Words You Say, Haunted, and the like).
Tune into the Da Vinci coda
LEIGHTON BRUCE
ROSSLYN Chapel holds many secrets. For hundreds of years experts and visitors alike have puzzled over the carvings in the chapel. Whilst some debate whether they point to hidden treasure, Edinburgh composer Stuart Mitchell thinks he has cracked one part of the enigma.
He believes that the ornate ceiling of carved arches, featuring 213 decorated cubes holds a code for medieval music. His father Thomas Mitchell spent 20 years cracking this code in the ceiling and now Stuart is orchestrating the findings for a new recording called The Rosslyn Motet.
The breakthrough to interpreting the notation came when Mitchell's father discovered that the markings carved on the face of the cubes seem to match a phenomenon called Cymatics or Chladni patterns. Chladni patterns form when a sustained note is used to vibrate a sheet of metal covered in powder producing marks. The frequency used dictates the shape of the pattern, for example; the musical note A below middle C vibrates at 440 KHz and produces a shape that looks like a rhombus. Different notes can produce various shapes including flowers, diamonds and hexagons - shapes all present on the Rosslyn cubes. Stuart Mitchell believes this is "beyond coincidence" and has assigned a note to each cube.
Ernst Chladni first documented the phenomenon in the late 18th century - yet it appears to be present in a 15th century building. Which begs the question: "Was Sir William St Clair (the man who built Rosslyn Chapel) familiar with sciences far in advance of his time?".
Stuart Mitchell believes a link between the Knights Templar – who may have gleaned advanced Eastern scientific knowledge during their stay in Jerusalem during the Crusades – and Rosslyn could explain the encoded musical notes.
"The symbolism in Rosslyn is reaching back to times of a civilisation that is lost to us now that had sciences that are the roots of all the mechanics of the universe," says Mitchell.
If this science was used in the carvings at Rosslyn, then there needs to be an explanation of how this information came to be lost for centuries. According to Mitchell, the Church suppressed the knowledge as a means of controlling the public. "What it points towards is the church system denying people certain knowledge because knowledge is awareness. People who knew too much were burnt as witches."
According to Mitchell this is a Chladni pattern - a way of showing a musical note by way of its vibrations.
Interestingly the Devil's Chord - diabolus in musica - makes an appearance in the music.
"In the ceiling is this jump of an augmented fourth, in fact it opens up with an augmented fourth," says Mitchell. The Catholic Church had banned this interval (seven semitones) from medieval music as it was believed to be disturbing and therefore diabolical. Perhaps St Clair was indeed challenging the authority of the church.
The music itself, according to Mitchell is a mix "of Celtic melodies and secular worship crossed with a kind of Christian worship" but not Catholic he says. Perhaps this explains why carvings depicting the green man, essentially a pagan image, exist alongside carvings of Christ in the chapel.
"[Orkney] and the Shetlands had a very big druid, pagan community and they had their own culture of music," says Mitchell. "William St Clair was the last Earl of Orkney and some of the melodies in the ceiling of Rosslyn Chapel are Orkney/Shetland Airs."
Mitchell doesn't believe that the notes were carved there simply to record a piece of music. He hopes that the repeated frequencies in the music will resonate within the building and unlock a medieval secret.
"Hopefully, knowing masons of this period of time were aware of the acoustic properties and the effect of resonance upon stone, we're hoping something falls loose… it's like a safe. This is why we think he [St Clair] has gone to so much trouble."
Find out more about Stuart Mitchell's project.
Mitchell has no idea what may be hidden in the church, but believes that St Clair used advanced science to ensure that the music was hidden from prying eyes.
Mitchell, dubbing the project "The Voice of Creation", says the carvings on the cubes are ultimately about sacred geometry.
"What it's saying is we've forgotten more than we know."
Perhaps the music is indeed a key to the past, the physics of the universe and just maybe, played loud enough inside Rosslyn, it will unlock a long lost secret hidden in the masonry.
LEIGHTON BRUCE
ROSSLYN Chapel holds many secrets. For hundreds of years experts and visitors alike have puzzled over the carvings in the chapel. Whilst some debate whether they point to hidden treasure, Edinburgh composer Stuart Mitchell thinks he has cracked one part of the enigma.
He believes that the ornate ceiling of carved arches, featuring 213 decorated cubes holds a code for medieval music. His father Thomas Mitchell spent 20 years cracking this code in the ceiling and now Stuart is orchestrating the findings for a new recording called The Rosslyn Motet.
The breakthrough to interpreting the notation came when Mitchell's father discovered that the markings carved on the face of the cubes seem to match a phenomenon called Cymatics or Chladni patterns. Chladni patterns form when a sustained note is used to vibrate a sheet of metal covered in powder producing marks. The frequency used dictates the shape of the pattern, for example; the musical note A below middle C vibrates at 440 KHz and produces a shape that looks like a rhombus. Different notes can produce various shapes including flowers, diamonds and hexagons - shapes all present on the Rosslyn cubes. Stuart Mitchell believes this is "beyond coincidence" and has assigned a note to each cube.
Ernst Chladni first documented the phenomenon in the late 18th century - yet it appears to be present in a 15th century building. Which begs the question: "Was Sir William St Clair (the man who built Rosslyn Chapel) familiar with sciences far in advance of his time?".
Stuart Mitchell believes a link between the Knights Templar – who may have gleaned advanced Eastern scientific knowledge during their stay in Jerusalem during the Crusades – and Rosslyn could explain the encoded musical notes.
"The symbolism in Rosslyn is reaching back to times of a civilisation that is lost to us now that had sciences that are the roots of all the mechanics of the universe," says Mitchell.
If this science was used in the carvings at Rosslyn, then there needs to be an explanation of how this information came to be lost for centuries. According to Mitchell, the Church suppressed the knowledge as a means of controlling the public. "What it points towards is the church system denying people certain knowledge because knowledge is awareness. People who knew too much were burnt as witches."
According to Mitchell this is a Chladni pattern - a way of showing a musical note by way of its vibrations.
Interestingly the Devil's Chord - diabolus in musica - makes an appearance in the music.
"In the ceiling is this jump of an augmented fourth, in fact it opens up with an augmented fourth," says Mitchell. The Catholic Church had banned this interval (seven semitones) from medieval music as it was believed to be disturbing and therefore diabolical. Perhaps St Clair was indeed challenging the authority of the church.
The music itself, according to Mitchell is a mix "of Celtic melodies and secular worship crossed with a kind of Christian worship" but not Catholic he says. Perhaps this explains why carvings depicting the green man, essentially a pagan image, exist alongside carvings of Christ in the chapel.
"[Orkney] and the Shetlands had a very big druid, pagan community and they had their own culture of music," says Mitchell. "William St Clair was the last Earl of Orkney and some of the melodies in the ceiling of Rosslyn Chapel are Orkney/Shetland Airs."
Mitchell doesn't believe that the notes were carved there simply to record a piece of music. He hopes that the repeated frequencies in the music will resonate within the building and unlock a medieval secret.
"Hopefully, knowing masons of this period of time were aware of the acoustic properties and the effect of resonance upon stone, we're hoping something falls loose… it's like a safe. This is why we think he [St Clair] has gone to so much trouble."
Find out more about Stuart Mitchell's project.
Mitchell has no idea what may be hidden in the church, but believes that St Clair used advanced science to ensure that the music was hidden from prying eyes.
Mitchell, dubbing the project "The Voice of Creation", says the carvings on the cubes are ultimately about sacred geometry.
"What it's saying is we've forgotten more than we know."
Perhaps the music is indeed a key to the past, the physics of the universe and just maybe, played loud enough inside Rosslyn, it will unlock a long lost secret hidden in the masonry.
I'm new here, so please. be gentle. It's my first time. ;O) I was going to lurk for a few days and read the board, but this topic caught my eye.
It would seem to me that one of the reasons for music's almost inexplicable effects upon us as human beings is because at heart, we are musical beings.
http://polymer.bu.edu/music/
"The Music of the Heart is derived from electrocardiogram (ECG) data, actual digital recordings of the electrical signals of the human heart. These HeartSongs began as musical notes mapped from the heartbeat data. The composer then added harmonies and rhythm to make pleasant sounding music. How can your heart make music?"
Indeed, the DNA of everything on earth produces 'music.' http://www.molecularmusic.com/
http://www.artic.edu/~pgena/DNAmus.html
http://www.dnamusic.com/articles/music_and_metamusic.htm
The sun itself and the planets produce 'music.'
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/te...und_041214.html
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1422887.htm
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/imag...fm?imageID=1613
http://www.altair.org/natradio.html
And then if you do a bit of research into "magnetic" DNA and "crystal" DNA, other things become apparent.
As well, Russians scientists commonly use "sound" to splice and cut DNA. (In the West we prefer to use our chemistry sets to do the job.)
"Black Holes" produce 'music.' The universe itself produces a 'musical' note. The list goes on and on. (I have assembled several hundred pages of 'academic' research on the topic.)
There might be an underlying reason why music has such a deep effect upon not only our psyche and consciousness, but upon our very bodies.
...and thus, there may be a valid reason why some forms of music sound 'better' to us individually and as cultures and groups.
It would seem to me that one of the reasons for music's almost inexplicable effects upon us as human beings is because at heart, we are musical beings.
http://polymer.bu.edu/music/
"The Music of the Heart is derived from electrocardiogram (ECG) data, actual digital recordings of the electrical signals of the human heart. These HeartSongs began as musical notes mapped from the heartbeat data. The composer then added harmonies and rhythm to make pleasant sounding music. How can your heart make music?"
Indeed, the DNA of everything on earth produces 'music.' http://www.molecularmusic.com/
http://www.artic.edu/~pgena/DNAmus.html
http://www.dnamusic.com/articles/music_and_metamusic.htm
The sun itself and the planets produce 'music.'
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/te...und_041214.html
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1422887.htm
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/imag...fm?imageID=1613
http://www.altair.org/natradio.html
And then if you do a bit of research into "magnetic" DNA and "crystal" DNA, other things become apparent.
As well, Russians scientists commonly use "sound" to splice and cut DNA. (In the West we prefer to use our chemistry sets to do the job.)
"Black Holes" produce 'music.' The universe itself produces a 'musical' note. The list goes on and on. (I have assembled several hundred pages of 'academic' research on the topic.)
There might be an underlying reason why music has such a deep effect upon not only our psyche and consciousness, but upon our very bodies.
...and thus, there may be a valid reason why some forms of music sound 'better' to us individually and as cultures and groups.
Welcome to the site, and you will be most welcomed indeed with such informative posts.
....the Pythagoreans definitately believed in the harmony of the universe and that we all are simply dancing to various mathematical tunes and notes....
....the Pythagoreans definitately believed in the harmony of the universe and that we all are simply dancing to various mathematical tunes and notes....
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ May 04, 05:55 PM)
Welcome to the site, and you will be most welcomed indeed with such informative posts.
....the Pythagoreans definitately believed in the harmony of the universe and that we all simply dancing various mathematical tunes and notes....
Thanks for the welcome.
Plato, Pythagoras, and many of the old "philosophers" and alchemists may have been on to something. Musica Universalis is worth some re-consideration in view of research in biology and astro-physics that has been done over the last decade or so. (Keep in mind that Newton was also an alchemist. ;O) Although it is rumored that he wished to be known for his theologial works over his scientific works.)
As regards Hey Hey's post, some researchers have dismissed the "encoded waves" found in the carvings at Rosslyn, but at the same time, none of them have tried half-notes or vocalisations. (Hans Jerry was definitely on to something, imo.) Plus, with a bit of research at The Meru Foundation website, as well as a look at Dan Winter's work, a person may be able to glean some useful knowledge in attempting to understand those carvings. I know that Dan Winter is a bit out there, more than a little arrogant, and he likes to include his socio-political ideologies in his work, but there are aspects of his research that really shouldn't be a priori ignored.
Although I am not a "professional," my own work seems to reveal that there is much more to consciousness than at first meets the eye...er...ear. Music, sound, harmonics - whatever you want to call it - seems to have a far greater impact than most seem to realize.
Bones
Yes, Robert Fludd also said that "the mind of man is a universe in miniature"
....and Hermes stated "As above, so below".
Great links by the way!
....and Hermes stated "As above, so below".
Great links by the way!
QUOTE(Trip like I do @ May 04, 07:34 PM)
Yes, Robert Fludd also said that "the mind of man is a universe in miniature"
....and Hermes stated "As above, so below".
Great links by the way!
My own research seems to indicate that "Hermes" (or is it Toth...or Mercury? LOL) was right.
Regarding The Rosslyn Chapel, I just recieved this link from a friend a few minutes ago:
http://heritage.scotsman.com/myths.cfm?id=627062006
"...Edinburgh composer Stuart Mitchell thinks he has cracked one part of the enigma."
The Scotsman is not the most reliable of resources, so a bit more research is in order.
Personally, I think they might need to look into Eastern musical scales, which are a bit different than we commonly use in the West.
Whatever one thinks of it, it is undeniably interesting.
Bones
QUOTE(Warren Bonesteel @ May 04, 03:49 PM)
There might be an underlying reason why music has such a deep effect upon not only our psyche and consciousness, but upon our very bodies.
quote:"The bottom line is that sex is rythm and music is rythm too " Unknown
Welcome Warren. I love music myself. Even music that those close to me find offensive, out of character or bizarre. In my way of thinking, if it means something to somebody, if it makes someone happy, then it has beauty hidden in it for me to discover and enjoy. I tent to gyrate, unfortunatelly, toward some type of music more than others; Jazz is my weakness. And Billy Holliday my idol. If "dying and going to heaven" means listening to her for eternity, then that's a price I'm happily willing to pay. She touches cordes very deep inside of me that I didn't even know I had. And the best part is that the more I listen to her, the more I want to continue listening to her. Her voice is just not human, is it? It's so far above all others! I'm my alone in this? What is wrong with me?
QUOTE(code buttons @ May 04, 07:46 PM)
quote:"The bottom line is that sex is rythm and music is rythm too" Unknown
Welcome Warren. I love music myself. Even music that those close to me find offensive, out of character or bizarre. In my way of thinking, if it means something to somebody, if it makes someone happy, then it has beauty hidden in it for me to discover and enjoy. I tent to gyrate, unfortunatelly, toward some type of music more than others; Jazz is my weekness. And Billy Holliday my idol. If "dying and going to heaven" means listening to her for eternity, then that's a price I'm happily willing to pay. She touches cordes very deep inside of me that I didn't even know I had. And the best part is that the more I listen to her, the more I want to continue listening to her. Her voice is just not human, is it? It's so far above all others! I'm my alone in this? What is wrong with me?
From what I can tell, in addition to the music, it's all about magnetism. Colognes, hard bodies, sexy voices and seasonal trends in clothing aside, that is.
First, we know that magnets interact on a fundamental level.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE...ntum/lande.html
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/chemistry/photochem/spin/08.pdf
They also interact with electricity. (If you're a musician and you're "plugged in," you're using magnets, and not only in your speakers.)
http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Mechanical...magnet_refo.pdf
http://www.synchrotron.vic.gov.au/files/do...teractions-.pdf
certain mechanical properties are also affected by magnets.
http://www.er.doe.gov/bes/dms/Research_Pro...B/MechBehav.pdf
there are also chemical interactions that are affected by magnets;
http://flux.aps.org/meetings/YR03/MAR03/baps/abs/S6010.html
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0305-4608/13/10/025/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...2&dopt=Abstract
Crystals interact with magnets;
http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/Ge...=cvips&gifs=yes
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/release...6_Lanzara.shtml
http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v76/i9/p1328_1
http://www.foresight.org/conference/MNT8/A...ikov/index.html
and magnets also vibrate...all on their own.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field
http://epaper.kek.jp/p93/PDF/PAC1993_1393.PDF
http://www.midnightscience.com/FAQ.html
and are subject to vibrations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microphones
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0953-8984/16/40/014
Now, we already know that man's brain 'emits' or produces a measurable electromagnetic field.
The Industrial Physicist http://www.aip.org/tip/INPHFA/vol-9/iss-4/p8.html
The Encyclopedia of Neuroscience http://www.emrnetwork.org/research/adey_encneuro_emfs.pdf
with a more complete listing of resources here:
http://www.vxm.com/bib.doc.html
Plus an introduction to the material here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoencephalography
The human heart produces it's own magnetic field:
http://www.magnetocardiography.info/
(Some resorurces claim to be able to measure it up to six feet away.)
Personally, I have an affinity for 'classical' rock and certain types of blue grass music. Of late, I haven't allowed much time to indulge myself, though.
Plus some magnetic properties of DNA:
http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/j.../ja055056d.html
http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/pr/2006/...ang-041906.html
http://www.magneticmicrosphere.com/meet2006/posters.html
http://www.magneticmicrosphere.com/
http://www.weizmann.ac.il/chemphys/cinaama...blications.html
http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdf/10.10...940?cookieSet=1
We also know of man's scientifically measurable bio-field. (the New Agers call it your 'Aura." I do believe that some few people can physically see it.)
http://www.tgo.uit.no/saba/sabathesis/Biol.html
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/biomag/ http://www.accessscience.com/Encyclopedia/...ameset.html?doi
http://www.biomag.hus.fi/
Then...something to think about
We know that the earth is an electromagnetic generator and that it's magnetic field protects us from the 'vagaries' of the universe and of the solar system. http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/earth/magnetic.html
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/space/mag_field.html
http://www.physorg.com/news2575.html
...solar/planetary magnetic interactions:
http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v36n5/aas205/680.htm
Solar flares...
http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/the_key.htm
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sola...nap_000622.html
...gamma ray bursts, gravity waves - and, I think - even asteroid impacts...
http://www.sciencefrontiers.com/sf053/sf053g11.htm
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news085.html
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older...rchnas1934.html
http://www.astronomytoday.com/astronomy/asteroids.html
...and perhaps even volcanoes...
http://research.unm.edu/quantum/vallescaldera.html http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/sci/fifthconf99/6231.pdf
...all affect or have a temporary effect upon the earth's magnetic field. All of these things also have an effect upon the earth's climate and weather systems.
http://www.dmi.dk/eng/cpt8.pdf
http://e-collection.ethbib.ethz.ch/ecol-po...xt/eth14976.pdf
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/books/...ge-Baliunas.pdf
Personally, I think all of these things have an effect upon mankind's consciousness.
The universe itself is a magnetic universe:
http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/p...3527404090.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/features/doe/200...l-tmu060602.php
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=N...rticle&sid=1869
http://www-chaos.umd.edu/research.html
I could go continue with this list alone for several more pages, CodeButtons, but I think you get the idea. (I won't insult anyone's intelligence here by making all of the itty-bitty connections between the material.)
Billy Holiday sang with a "heavenly voice."
...a heavenly 'voice' that speaks to us each and every day. ;O)
She just 'polarizes you in a way that no one else can. ;O)
Bones
Ooops. Fergot to sign in. ^^^
Bones
Bones
QUOTE(Guest @ May 04, 08:33 PM)
Billy Holiday sang with a "heavenly voice."
...a heavenly 'voice' that speaks to us each and every day. ;O)
She just 'polarizes you in a way that no one else can. ;O)
Bones
Thank you for the reply, and the links. It's going to take me awhile to digest all this information, but it's well worth my time. I'm very glad to have you on board at BrainMeta. And thank you for the explanation about Billy Holiday's voice. I have a feeling that after I go through your information here I'll get a grip on what the hell exactly is it that makes her voice so "Magnetic" (am I using the correct term?)
QUOTE(code buttons @ May 05, 05:08 AM)
Thank you for the reply, and the links. It's going to take me awhile to digest all this information, but it's well worth my time. I'm very glad to have you on board at BrainMeta. And thank you for the explanation about Billy Holiday's voice. I have a feeling that after I go through your information here I'll get a grip on what the hell exactly is it that makes her voice so "Magnetic" (am I using the correct term?)
I don't think that there is a "correct" term. A lot of folks think there is, though. ;O)
Personally, I haven't seen a single model or theory that addresses everything that we need to know about consciousness. I have some ideas, myself, but I'm "mathematically disinclined," so I haven't applied such rigor to them.
From what I can tell, it's a multi-leveled, multi-disciplined holistic approach that's needed, and too many people have too much to protect (ideologies, tenure, grants, publication, 'reputations,' etc. and so on) in order to truly and honestly work together at this point.
Keep in mind, that - believe it or not - crystals are also involved in what I've shared on this thread. ;O)
Not only does DNA of every living exhibit crystalline properties, but the earth's core is composed of an iron crystalline lattice. (has to do with pressure and heat.) Almost everything on earth has some form of silica in it, as well - a crystal. Plus, your pineal gland exhibits crystalline properties...which some say influences everything in your brain and in the rest of your body.
So we have vibrations - harmonics and sound - plus magnetism and crystals. And then, there's light... It seems that the entirety of the electromagnetic spectrum is involved in consciousness in one form or another, actually.
For me, what makes it all work is a basic understanding of the Plasma Universe Theory, which isn't nearly as outlandish as most presume (reference plasma physics), plus I think that certain aspects of the Holographic Universe/Holonomic Brain Theories come into play, as well as many hundred and thousands of other works based upon Pibram's and Bohm's original work. (see also Julian Jayne's - psychologist - work on The Bicameral Mind, as well as recent work in early brain development in the womb.)
The problem with ideas like mine, though, is that most traditional scientists and institutions won't take an honest look at the material. They're rather dogmatic, actually. It's much easier to argue with a theologian about religion than it is to talk to most scientists about new ideas. (see Feynman's talk on Cargo Cult Science, which references my point, here.)
I also understand that a few years ago, Hawkings declared that physics needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Of course, he may have just been kinda cheesed that one of his pet theories had been proven wrong, too. ;O)
Bones
QUOTE(Warren Bonesteel @ May 05, 12:49 AM)
I'm new here, so please. be gentle. It's my first time. ;O) I was going to lurk for a few days and read the board, but this topic caught my eye.
It would seem to me that one of the reasons for music's almost inexplicable effects upon us as human beings is because at heart, we are musical beings.
http://polymer.bu.edu/music/
"The Music of the Heart is derived from electrocardiogram (ECG) data, actual digital recordings of the electrical signals of the human heart. These HeartSongs began as musical notes mapped from the heartbeat data. The composer then added harmonies and rhythm to make pleasant sounding music. How can your heart make music?"
Indeed, the DNA of everything on earth produces 'music.' http://www.molecularmusic.com/
http://www.artic.edu/~pgena/DNAmus.html
http://www.dnamusic.com/articles/music_and_metamusic.htm
The sun itself and the planets produce 'music.'
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/te...und_041214.html
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1422887.htm
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/imag...fm?imageID=1613
http://www.altair.org/natradio.html
And then if you do a bit of research into "magnetic" DNA and "crystal" DNA, other things become apparent.
As well, Russians scientists commonly use "sound" to splice and cut DNA. (In the West we prefer to use our chemistry sets to do the job.)
"Black Holes" produce 'music.' The universe itself produces a 'musical' note. The list goes on and on. (I have assembled several hundred pages of 'academic' research on the topic.)
There might be an underlying reason why music has such a deep effect upon not only our psyche and consciousness, but upon our very bodies.
...and thus, there may be a valid reason why some forms of music sound 'better' to us individually and as cultures and groups.
May I add my welcome to you as well.
But surely in your post you should have used "sound" instead of "music". And indeed the Russians use ultrasonics (they are not the only ones by far; one of my post docs moved on to a research group using ultrasonics to manipulate cells and molecules).
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ May 05, 12:24 PM)
May I add my welcome to you as well.
But surely in your post you should have used "sound" instead of "music". And indeed the Russians use ultrasonics (they are not the only ones by far; one of my post docs moved on to a research group using ultrasonics to manipulate cells and molecules).
Thank you, 'Hey Hey'
You may want to discuss the proper and detailed use of terms with the scientists who apply music to their fields. Astronomers, astrophysicists, biologists, mathematicians, etc. and so on. (Please note that I did qualify my own use of the term by enclosing the words in a couple of weird little punctuation marks.)
They use the term in the same way as I have in the above posts. I didn't pull the use of that term out of thin air. There seem to be actual algorithms and other types of math functions involved in music - sound, sonics, harmonics, vibrations - whatever term you use for whatever purpose, can all be understood and rendered musically. I'm not a mathematician or a musician, so I'm not about to argue over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
For example, here is some "musical" math, with additional pages detailing how a mathematician arrived at his results. http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/9349/
I'm not a mathematician, so I won't judge his equations or how he arrived at his results.
Music is sound. For the musicians and artists among you, a simple chart: http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/plan...-harmonics.html
Also compare the musical scales with the Law of Octaves, upon which the periodic table of the elements is based.
You don't have to agree with me, Professor. You're certainly free to your own thoughts and beliefs.
Without bombarding the board with hundreds of pages of references and resources, that is all I have to say.
Interesting trap, btw. Full of logical fallacies, though.
I do hope that your post doc has a great career.
Bones
QUOTE(Guest @ May 06, 12:45 AM)
Music is sound.
But not all sound is music.
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ May 05, 06:18 PM)
QUOTE(Guest @ May 06, 12:45 AM)
Music is sound.
But not all sound is music.
So...Just how many angels can dance on the head of pin?
) I am well able to defend my position, doctor. I find that it is normally a waste of time to do so, however. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You'll wear yourself out and you'll only annoy the horse.
As I said previously, you aren't required to believe what I want you to.
I do invite you to do your own research, and come to your own conclusions. You may want to begin by actually reading the material at some of the links that were provided.
)Not all noise, sound or vibration is music to our ears, but every sound and vibration can be annotated on a musical scale.
Bones
QUOTE(Warren Bonesteel @ May 05, 06:49 PM)
QUOTE(Hey Hey @ May 05, 06:18 PM)
QUOTE(Guest @ May 06, 12:45 AM)
Music is sound.
But not all sound is music.
So...Just how many angels can dance on the head of pin?
) I am well able to defend my position, doctor. I find that it is normally a waste of time to do so, however. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You'll wear yourself out and you'll only annoy the horse.
As I said previously, you aren't required to believe what I want you to.
I do invite you to do your own research, and come to your own conclusions. You may want to begin by actually reading the material at some of the links that were provided.
)Not all noise, sound or vibration is music to our ears, but every sound and vibration can be annotated on a musical scale.
Bones
There are intriguing implications here. Music is a matter of perspective, then, right? For example: The sound of Billy Holiday's voice and the sound of the cosmic background radiation (link), which I actually heard while watching a science show on tv, are sublime music to my ears. The horrible noises that came out of the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001, while despicable and abominable to my ears, was actually music to somebody else’s; Usama Bin Laden, for example. Am I in the right path?
QUOTE(Warren Bonesteel @ May 05, 06:49 PM)
So...Just how many angels can dance on the head of pin?
) I am well able to defend my position, doctor. I find that it is normally a waste of time to do so, however. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You'll wear yourself out and you'll only annoy the horse.
As I said previously, you aren't required to believe what I want you to.
No need to get so defensive here, Warren. Hey Hey is indeed a doctor with a Ph.D. in sciences and a God here, but a gentle one at that. This forum was created for the exchange of information and ideas, and everyone's are welcome, as Shawn puts it. Your expertise in the subject is unquestionable. And your input refreshing and very welcome here. Besides, it's not Hey Hey's opinion that matters, or mine or anyone else's for that matter: It's yours. So we want to hear it. And then we'll share our conjectures with you as they arise. and then, you'll have a chance to answer back, and so on. Hey Hey is also a very funny guy (that bloody Brittish humor in him!). So, you just never know where he's going with his comments!
QUOTE(code buttons @ May 05, 10:56 PM)
No need to get so defensive here, Warren. Hey Hey is indeed a doctor with a Ph.D. in sciences and a God here, but a gentle one at that. This forum was created for the exchange of information and ideas, and everyone's are welcome, as Shawn puts it. Your expertise in the subject is unquestionable. And your input refreshing and very welcome here. Besides, it's not Hey Hey's opinion that matters, or mine or anyone else's for that matter: It's yours. So we want to hear it. And then we'll share our conjectures with you as they arise. and then, you'll have a chance to answer back, and so on. Hey Hey is also a very funny guy (that bloody Brittish humor in him!). So, you just never know where he's going with his comments!
I've dealt with the Brits before. Both professionally and in social settings. I do have an appreciation for their humor, but sometimes we don't understand each other's metaphors and allegories. ;O) Those I have dealt with personally have proven to be among the best people that I've ever met and known.
Now, myself, I have a very "dry" sense of humor. There are times when it doesn't work on a typewritten page, though. LOL. At least, not without filling my posts with alla those little abbreviations, smiley faces and icons.
I've also moderated forums in times past, and even owned my own website forum for a time. An underlying part of Hey Hey's comments were really meant as a test of the new guy on the boards. ;O) ("He's posted some weird crap. Let's see how he handles himself when he's prodded a little.") To say that noise and sound isn't music is a completely subjective judgment, not a scientific one. From what I have seen, it's not even mathematically correct. For a scientist to keep raising the question of noise and sound not being music is so preposterous that I had assumed that Hey Hey was pulling my leg and thinking that I wouldn't "get it." So, in turn, an underlying theme in my responses was to poke back at him a little. (He can dish it out. Let's see if he can take it. LOL.) I wouldn't necessarily call him a wordsmith, but the way he phrased his posts on this thread was very interesting on several counts. It was quite skillfully done. Most people, however, wouldn't have seen the logical fallacies involved in his posts, and he mighta gotten away with it. Indeed, being a professor and a moderator, I'm quite sure that he thought that he could "get away with it.' ;O) ...actually, what he's done is defined as "trolling." My responses to him are what is known as "feeding the troll." ;O) ...of course, who's feeding who at this point is a matter for discussion. He's the moderator, so chances are I've already been labeled as "the bad guy." Which means that according to game theory, I'm already in a lose-lose (null game) situation, here. For those who spend a lot of times on foums - it isn't readily apparent, but I do have an option.
None of my comments were meant in a sprit of meanness. I've been quite calm throughout. It's all been rather amusing, in a weird sort of a way.
) Besides, if Hey Hey possesses that famous - or rather, infamous - Brit humor, I'm quite sure he's gotten a kick out of some of my comments in response to him.
About the sound and noise, what I said earlier holds true.
"Not all noise, sound or vibration is music to our ears, but every sound and vibration can be annotated on a musical scale." Such noise and sound may not be music to our ears - most noises and sounds we can't even hear - but it is all, none-the-less, "music." The fact is, every noise, sound and vibration can be mathematically converted to the musical scale, and even without the mathematical conversions (which are done so that we can actually hear most of the 'noise') every sound that you hear can be annotated musically. No matter fingernails scraping a blackboard getting on your nerves, it is still music.
What we consider to be pleasing music is, at times, very subjective. Our response to music that we find pleasing - or not - can be sorted out scientifically. Indeed, it's already been done to no little extent.
...and yes, I knew that he was a retired professor. ;O) Respect works both ways, no matter how pretty your bathroom is.
...of course, my own bathroom's not very pretty, but it is functional - thank god.
In other words, the good professor has to use soap and toilet paper, just as I do. ;O)
My raw research - which I have shared with a biology professor, "You have created a very impressive body of work. YOU, my friend, have gone far beyond where I’ve been and I am excited to get the chance to devour it all."
...a physicist, "A coherent and imposing body of knowledge."
...and a museum curator, who claimed that much of my work made absolute sense in view of his education and expereince in his specialty. (North American Art forms. He was also involved with Burning Man for a number of years.)
The raw research has been shared with several others as well. One published author is currently working on a book as based upon some of the material. Her readership and style are quite a bit different than my own, so that's no problem to me. Up until now, I've been sharing this material freely with anyone who is interested.
None of the people I've shared this with had seen the material assembled in this fashion or in this depth. The DNA music, crystal DNA, and magnetic DNA posts that I've shared on this thread are only a very small part of what I have assembled. I have also assembled a three thousand page historical timeline that only verifies in detail what is in the rest of my research. (I need to double the timeline, actually.) Plus, I have assembled more than seven thousand pages of additional research. - I lost count, actually, it's more than 2 GB's of data in total.
No, I'm no expert, nor am I a "professional" in academia or science, but what I have done is something most seem to be unable to do, or simply don't have the time to do. That is, to put the material together so that it makes sense. Rationally, logically and reasonably. What I am very good at is seeing patterns and relationships in all of the information that I read and see and hear.
Bones
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