Further to your stuff about symbology - the Druid sigil includes many things including the TREE and you can see some of this at http://www.geocities.com/mikerdna/sigil.html

It is one of the symbols recently found at the entrance portico of the Great Pyramid by Robert Schoch and my next book will explain the whole matter for Schoch who has no idea what it means. All your Sumer symbology is mere child's play by the same myth-makers. Enki and EL and the Anunnaki are dealt with fully in my true history.

Hello Shawn!

Since you've obviously figured this all out already, I bow to youth:

when consciousness is expanded will that mean that everyone will have the same IQ (please don't get into the credibility of the IQ; just using it as a measure of mind ability)? what benefits will expanded consciousness actually confer? might we have to wait for the ETs to arrive before we can get it? how else might we get it? will it happen at the same time as the singularity? is it the same as the singularity? will we be able to unsubscribe from either? will subscription be free or will just the rich be able to afford it?

I have no replies to any quotes. I only have a question. I have had glimpses of other realities. How does one advance to where the glimpses are more constant-in other words-how does one learn how to stay in this state of mutiple realities?

Keep avoiding the medication?

Thankyou

It should. Consciousness Singularity will involve all forms of consciousness past and present that may be available when it takes place. That's because before we enter into a higher form of consciousness, we must understand the one that has brought all here. And that includes all those semi-sentient forms you are talking about. How can we possibly uderstand what lays before us if we don't even know the ground we're standing on?

It's not clear to me why some transpersonal superconscious state called the Consciousness Singularity would necessarily involve lower lifeforms. I don't think it would.

You're quite right Neural. I'm full of sh*t sometimes and I don't even know it. But your point makes sense and it's more likely correct.

This opens and interesting area. Some years ago, as a youngster, I thought I was a brilliant driver. Many kids do. And in my day it was common to drink (not drunk) and drive. I had the arrogance to suggest that after a drink or two, my reactions were still better than the sober reactions of most oldies and certainly better than the reactions of retards (remember I did say I had the arrogance). But your "lower lifeforms" comment made me think, that the spread of human intelligence (given it's problems of measurement and interpretation) and cognitive ability is very wide. Come the singularity, what will happen to those individuals on the lower side of the ability scale? I think this is important, as the proportion of individuals with IQ (I know it's just one, maybe poor, indicator) less than 100 is significant, to say the least.

IQ Description % of Population

130+ Very superior 2.2%
120-129 Superior 6.7%
110-119 High average 16.1%
90-109 Average 50%
80-89 Low average 16.1%
70-79 Borderline 6.7%
Below 70 Extremely low 2.2%

I'm not elitist or IQist, I'm just interested in how the ability spread might fair in the singularity scenario.

Well, if evolution of the species is any indicator, those who don't adapt may miss the bus. But I'd hate to think that! Besides, who is to say what's going to take for us as individuals?

But this will be evolution in a jump even faster than that in the "punctuated equilibrium" theory. So adaptation will need to be fast! What about a plan for singularity education? Shouldn't we be more proactive and be preparing mucho quicko? I sometimes feel it will never happen. Anyone got recent evidence to show that things are really moving on?

Good question. We talk about the singularity, but what is actually being done in an attempt to get there? Maybe Shawn knows about specific projects currently in progress.

Mentation has a physical basis in the brain, and physical processes have physical limitations. There is no (nor can there ever be an) infinite mentality.

OnlyNow,
One site with some useful resources is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

Don't confuse the technological singularity (also impossible) with the consciousness singularity of this thread.

It is stataments like this that make me wonder if science has really that ultimate answer we talk about so much in this forum. Consciousness Singularity is not wishful thinking. It is a necessary process resulting from the evolution of our species and consequence of our need for survival. There is no way around it. The fact that it is inconcievable through our present scienctific knowledge doesn't mean it is impossible. If you are implying this with your statement, I say that you are totally wrong. I'm begining to suspect that science in the end, as an interpretation/explanation of reality is the necessary tool for one pivotal thing in this process, and only that: To pose the Ultimate Question.

Thanks, rhymer. Really great site. I see that there's a free Singularity Summit at Stanford this next Saturday:
http://sss.stanford.edu/
Anyone going?

30 minutes up and 30 minutes back from LA in my flying car. Why not?

Great! I just noticed--when I said "this," I really meant "next".
Take good notes and let us know all about it. TIA.

cuts out me then ...... all there is is this ....... back to my old love then, existentialism.


ps, what will the consciousness singularity exist in? i'd like to know so i can look at it when it passes by.

One day you'll go to sleep to wake-up never again to be the same. That glorious day, you'll understand how and why, it all happened the way it did.

So it'll happen in me then? How?

You put me against the wall, Hey Hey. Or should I say me and my big mouth did it (I hope Shawn is following this thread). But I like the challenge. Give me some time and I'll give you my best possible answer.

Hi code buttons, and welcome. Yes, I've been following this thread and my thoughts are that the consciousness singularity is inevitable, but thinking about the future too much is unproductive and often unreliable. Someone once said that the best way to predict the future is to create it. If the consciousness singularity is to come about, it will require a better understanding of human brain organization, and so I choose to focus and direct my efforts towards that.

What if the singularity is just a turning inside out?

Can we only believe that all mental processes exist as all matter defined states, be the result of mind in action to it's singularity.

What is Damasio's First Law?

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What if the condensation of the human brain was the reverse, of Damasio's First Law. I mean we can train the neuron pathways to be reconstructed, by establishing the movements previously damaged by stroke?

Thanks Shawn. That's why you're tha boss 'round here.

Spoilsport! (Hee, Hee)

Bu seriously, if it's as close as some would suggest, surely we should be anticipating how and planning. This not thinking about the future too much is a very academic style; it would never work in business. (I've been in both simultaneously for 20 years).

Just followed the opening, to here and trying to organized some thoughts about this.

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In futures studies, the singularity represents an "event horizon" in the predictability of human technological development past which present models of the future cease to give reliable or accurate answers, following the creation of strong AI or the enhancement of human intelligence. Many futurists predict that after the singularity, humans as they exist presently won't be the driving force in scientific and technological progress, eclipsed cognitively by posthumans, AI, or both, with all models of change based on past trends in human behavior becoming obsolete.

Correlating cognition, with observational methods, raises questions about what we can currently pecieve?

Is Perception predicated by a historical basis, while future prospectives by that establishment? Model consumption perhaps? Experience in regard to subjective states? Is this really a viable way in which to presetn all minds with what could be coming and then say that the focus is in how the brain matter works?

What would make it change?

In the comparson of blackhole horizon you would have to know some things here, and I would explain some of them if anyone is interested. There are definitiely conflicts in my mind in regards to this relation in terms of that event horizon analogy.

Speak your mind up, Plato. I, for one would be very interested in your thoughts. Your links are also full of tantalizing propositions.

Why thank you.

A map is always a good thing to have. While it is held here in regards to the picture, it ,at least keeps things in place while we look at it.



by Jacob D. Bekenstein

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TWO UNIVERSES of different dimension and obeying disparate physical laws are rendered completely equivalent by the holographic principle. Theorists have demonstrated this principle mathematically for a specific type of five-dimensional spacetime ("anti–de Sitter") and its four-dimensional boundary. In effect, the 5-D universe is recorded like a hologram on the 4-D surface at its periphery. Superstring theory rules in the 5-D spacetime, but a so-called conformal field theory of point particles operates on the 4-D hologram. A black hole in the 5-D spacetime is equivalent to hot radiation on the hologram--for example, the hole and the radiation have the same entropy even though the physical origin of the entropy is completely different for each case. Although these two descriptions of the universe seem utterly unalike, no experiment could distinguish between them, even in principle.

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Although there are a number of particle astrophysics groups around the country, ISCAP has two unique features. Firstly, ISCAP is the only group with a primary focus on the ultra-high energy scales between the grand unified/inflation scale (1015 GeV) and the Planck scale (1019 GeV), where the microscopic dynamics of spacetime itself come into play. Now is the time to probe this exotic realm, which holds the answers to some of the greatest scientific mysteries, and ISCAP proposes to undertake to develop methods -- both theoretical and observational -- to do so. Secondly, ISCAP is one of the few cosmology groups with the necessary breadth of interest and experience to pursue these enquiries, having expertise in traditional particle physics, string theory/quantum gravity, particle-astrophysics, inflationary cosmology, in numerical methods and observational cosmology.

Did you take that photograph yourself? It's mighty fine. Hee, Hee! Thanks for the info above, it was a refreshingly interesting reminder.

re: scale

why do we end at the inflation scale of our universe? might we not be part of a spatially orientated multiverse, with further scales to consider?

Omega=?

Imagine for one moment that this is all wrapped in a bubble(universe). Our views of earth, the hills and valleys, of the gravitational perspective as I showed of earth as time variable measure now brought to conceptual realization for society. Einstein's playful example of the hotstove, remember?



The picture you refer belongs to ISCAP and if you "refresh" that page a couple of times, you will see a number of pictures. They are important. Especially the "Lagrange points" How this perspective is used with satellites in space travel.

This is a very important perception that is not understood very well. I have another picture that will explain it well. I have maybe given to much to absorb here?

interesting. but it says nothing about what is at distances that presently we cannot see. At a great distance (have to use words however inappropriate they sometimes are) from the universe described in your link there is no reason to negate the idea of further wrapped up universes. if we can have ideas of other universes explained by multidimensions, then why can't we have phenomena that permit extra-universe universes? We know so little about close cosmic phenomena that almost anything is still possible. Do you believe that Einstein will last forever and that presently visualized elementary particles are all there are?

Hey Hey:

If Not A Pea what new Paradigm?

What happens on a cosmological scale is indeed explanable as I have shown.

The trouble is when we move our perception to the quantum probabilities. I surmized these things in context of how we would determined information from the horizon yet the value of energy determinations here ask us to consider the value assigned to particle inclinations. These energy determinations are still valid within context of the conformal field theories, as the map shows of Bekenstein bound.

The LHC Olympics --- Black Box "the Classic"

For example test runs in the olympics of the LHC to be done?

Blackhole production of course created some concern, while it was being answered in terms of strangelet developement. This spoke to blackhole production directly. But low and behold, how would any of us considered the context of the cosmic particle collisions that go on all the time, and from it, secondary particle showers that are presented to earth in regards to microstate blackhole production that quickly dissipates.

So you might have thought indeed strangelet production from microstate blackholes in terms of cosmic particle colllisions?

But the point is learning to identfy the very beginning, and like most I thought the singualrity was like a pea, while the energy valuation and quark gluon plasma created, has some ffects that we have to consider? That were counter intuitive.

Produced tunnelling?

Thus this changes the very dynamcis of constructs that are being present here in a philosophical format for consumption by a society that had reached critical density, while the energy valuation here, would have created certain effects.