Dogmatism regarding God inevitably begs the question, how do you know you're not deluding yourself?
Many have lived in a web of delusions weaved by themselves, unable to even entertain the slightest possibility that they've merely duped themselves. Compounding this error by trying to dupe others under the guise of dogmatism is shameful and deceiving, to say the least. Is it not?
Full Version: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikula
There is that possibility. But then what would you live your life based on? Nothing?
Nothing or No thing as it is deciphered by who ever wants to give it meaning would be open to experience.
There is something within the nothing that when focused on expands awareness.
Follow your bliss as Joseph Campbell once said.
All beliefs wind up back at the starting point. All experiences lead to the infinite One. Bliss leads to permanently expanded awareness and visa-versa.
How would you know? By yourself you may recognise something that resonates within you. If you follow it you may find something. Or if you ignore it. Give a name like belief and take the experiences and call them Dogmatic then that is a choice isn't it?
Dogmatism follows belief based on a hope that experience will follow. That is what all knowledge is. Beliefs that are continually broken down and expanded on. Therefore nothing you can learn in any school or book is real only dogmatic, pushed by a majority, and most follow willingly even without the experience.
Will you stand still out of fear and doubt or step into experience to follow what is within you?
Only judgment will keep you from doing anything out of fear. Only judgment will keep you from expansion. Fear and judgment will keep you limited in your perspectives and beliefs. Better to move into the unknown than stagnate in the known that brings the same results. Birth and death is such a waste of time, compared to what you are capable of.
Nothing or No thing as it is deciphered by who ever wants to give it meaning would be open to experience.
There is something within the nothing that when focused on expands awareness.
Follow your bliss as Joseph Campbell once said.
All beliefs wind up back at the starting point. All experiences lead to the infinite One. Bliss leads to permanently expanded awareness and visa-versa.
How would you know? By yourself you may recognise something that resonates within you. If you follow it you may find something. Or if you ignore it. Give a name like belief and take the experiences and call them Dogmatic then that is a choice isn't it?
Dogmatism follows belief based on a hope that experience will follow. That is what all knowledge is. Beliefs that are continually broken down and expanded on. Therefore nothing you can learn in any school or book is real only dogmatic, pushed by a majority, and most follow willingly even without the experience.
Will you stand still out of fear and doubt or step into experience to follow what is within you?
Only judgment will keep you from doing anything out of fear. Only judgment will keep you from expansion. Fear and judgment will keep you limited in your perspectives and beliefs. Better to move into the unknown than stagnate in the known that brings the same results. Birth and death is such a waste of time, compared to what you are capable of.
Joe,
Is that your final judgement?
Is that your final judgement?
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| Joe, Is that your final judgement? |
Finality is such a limited concept, and I never judge.
i never judge, said the judge, and i never say never.
you also don't need to make absolute final judgements, if you keep them relative you can revise them whenever you need, but for the time valid they still are final. that's handy and gives me peace of mind. otherwise i wouldn't know about my final judgement of climbing a cherry tree in nice wheather being a fine thing. it would grieve me if i have to think about the possibility that it's not fine at all. so i better label this as final judgement, and period. (another example is the final judgement of having a body who wants to eat or get lazy from time to time.)
you also don't need to make absolute final judgements, if you keep them relative you can revise them whenever you need, but for the time valid they still are final. that's handy and gives me peace of mind. otherwise i wouldn't know about my final judgement of climbing a cherry tree in nice wheather being a fine thing. it would grieve me if i have to think about the possibility that it's not fine at all. so i better label this as final judgement, and period. (another example is the final judgement of having a body who wants to eat or get lazy from time to time.)
We all find our way don't we?
Joe sez;
" Finality is such a limited concept, and I never judge. "
This would be great comedy. It has such a sad note because Joe apparently believes this to be true.
"Finality is such a limited concept" Uttered the Great Man.
"Humans.............what a concept" another of his quotes.
"I never judge" after making judgements about everyone he came into contact with.
I would not accept a cup of Kool-aid from this individual who is so out of tune with who he is and obviously dispises his condition.
Joe, the way out is to build on what you have, not escape through some thought transformation. Your trolling is very obvious, looking for recruits to your game.
Do you charge for giving lessons or is everyone supposed to donate to your little group you are forming to be swooped away from this prison?
" Finality is such a limited concept, and I never judge. "
This would be great comedy. It has such a sad note because Joe apparently believes this to be true.
"Finality is such a limited concept" Uttered the Great Man.
"Humans.............what a concept" another of his quotes.
"I never judge" after making judgements about everyone he came into contact with.
I would not accept a cup of Kool-aid from this individual who is so out of tune with who he is and obviously dispises his condition.
Joe, the way out is to build on what you have, not escape through some thought transformation. Your trolling is very obvious, looking for recruits to your game.
Do you charge for giving lessons or is everyone supposed to donate to your little group you are forming to be swooped away from this prison?
You're obsessing again John.
Preacher Joe,
You are an egotistical trickster. Yes, again for effect: an egotistical trickster.
You only answer with stock phrases. You project on me and are a monotonic bore. A good job for you would be a lawyer for a small timey church. You evade questions. You practice deceit. You use aliases. You get caught at practicing things like judging and in the very next post, you deny it.
You have successfully deluded yourself and want now to delude others. I am most happy to confound your recruiting on this board.
Your clothes don't fit and your dog smells.
Other than that, your probably a pretty good guy if you take your medication.
Please do not think of me while you meditate. Keep that in mind.
Ready for your next lesson?
Repeat the first one in the mean time.
The ego is an integral part of the psyche and cannot be removed.
You are an egotistical trickster. Yes, again for effect: an egotistical trickster.
You only answer with stock phrases. You project on me and are a monotonic bore. A good job for you would be a lawyer for a small timey church. You evade questions. You practice deceit. You use aliases. You get caught at practicing things like judging and in the very next post, you deny it.
You have successfully deluded yourself and want now to delude others. I am most happy to confound your recruiting on this board.
Your clothes don't fit and your dog smells.
Other than that, your probably a pretty good guy if you take your medication.
Please do not think of me while you meditate. Keep that in mind.
Ready for your next lesson?
Repeat the first one in the mean time.
The ego is an integral part of the psyche and cannot be removed.
| QUOTE (Shawn @ May 14, 12:08 PM) |
| I can't help observing that this thread has digressed considerably from it's original topic, the Consciousness Singularity. Â It's ok and all, but if anyone has anything else to say on this important topic, I'd be happy to hear it, whether you find the idea of a Consciousness Singularity credible or not. Â From my perspective, this impending event, the Consciousness Singularity, is inevitable. Â It's just a question of when. It's important to understand the concept of the Consciousness Singularity, even though I think it will require a new way of thinking for a lot of people. Â Â For people who've experienced cosmic-consciousness, can you imagine what it would be like if that experience were magnified a thousand-fold, or a million-fold, in intensity and Being? Â For people who haven't experienced cosmic-consciousness, can you still try to imagine what this experience would be like? Â Even though the Consciousness Singularity is currently beyond our comprehension and experience, nowadays we can at least approach it's 'event horizon', I think, if we're serious enough, motivated enough, honest enough with ourselves and sufficiently in touch with ourselves, fortunate enough to be graced with the potential, and intelligent- and wise-enough to know how to realize this potential. |
The consciousness singularity (CS), as I understand it from Shawn's description of it, will be driven by a number of technologies, including neuroscience, nano-technology, and computer science. Therefore, it seems to me that the CS will be driven by the technological singularity (TS) as described by Vernor Vinge and others.
The kind of brain enhancement that Shawn has described will first require a detailed understanding of how the brain works, right down to the level of neurons and electro-chemical states. Then, in order to modify the brain without grossly damaging it will require nano-technology, possibly in the form of intelligent nano-robot swarms to invade the brain and do their constructive work. Finally, to augment the computational power of the brain, connectivity, perhaps in the form of nano-filaments that connect to external computing machines, might be required.
It seems to me, then, that the TS will come first, and the CS will follow in time. Is there any conceptual frame or paradigm that has a better resolution of this?
'Shawn' date='May 18, 08:11 AM' post='10084'
You go on
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Shawn, for some time, I have been of the opinion that words like, gods, god, and God carry so much baggage that, in my humble opinion, perhaps the time has come for us to use a new and special symbol in the form of an anagram: GØD.
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To understand the meaning of this anagram I suggest the following:
1. Let the G stand for the highest moral and ethical good, Agape-love. Agape-love can include eros (that is, sensual or physical love) and philia (love of friend for friend) but it is not dependent on them.
The Bible says, "GØD is Love" (John 3: 8 &16). The Greek word is, agape. Agape-love, inspired by GØD, and expressed in our daily lives becomes justice, truth, and all the great virtues, in our actions.
2. The Ø, is a mathematical symbol, not unlike zero. It refers to a mathematical set--one without elements. Check out set theory. This links the GØD concept with mathematics (which means the discipline), order and the sciences. GØD is the no thing--not to be confused with nothing.
3. Let the D stand for the artistic design and beauty of things. This links GØD with the arts, and the search for that which is lovely, beautiful and true.
4. GØD is not a heavenly tyrant waiting to be placated; not a super person-like being, separate and apart from all that is, and looking for us to bow and scrape and plead for mercy, or favours, as if we were just subjects on our knees. But, rather, GØD is ALL being, total, universal and all-encompassing, and in and through all that IS--physically, mentally and spiritually. GØD is all the knowledge, wisdom and power available. GØD is like an all powerful and infallible computer, just waiting to be used to help us manage our time, find all the resources, including the people, and the money we need to help us get things done.
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For some time, now, I have been doing experiments with what I could call a "tuning-in type of praying". Things are really happening. In Aramaic, the language of Jesus, the word which we translate as 'to pray' is SLAHA. The modern Arabic is SLA. It does not mean "to ask" for things; it means to, "tune in", or "to connect with" and we will find the things we need. It works for me and others I know who have tried it.
I will be glad to go into more details about this with those who are really interested. You say
And you go on
Every meeting we sing a beautiful song using 'nameste', over and over again. I will be happy to tell the group about your work. We will do some "tuning in" for the success of what you are doing. Let us see what will be the result of this experiment in "tuning in". Nameste, to you and all who read this post.
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Hello Joe, Dan, Numinoso. Dan,...However, with more knowledge of brain function and organization will come more manipulative power; the power to control and modify our brains, and hence the power to control and modify our states of consciousness. The power to attain states of God-consciousness such that have never been experienced before, by anyone. We speak of the Self and God, and the experience of these. But I tell you that even more intimate relations with God (or the Self) will be achieved by manipulating and controlling our brains.
Manipulation and control of the brain, you say? May I be so bold as to ask: Who gets to be the manipulator and the controller? You go on QUOTE
Our brains are the key that will unlock the doors unto higher realms of consciousness and Being such that are entirely beyond your, or anyone else's, comprehension or experience. In the end, we will confront our Maker (God, the Self, whatever you choose to call It).
Very interesting. Shawn, before we eat too much of the apple of "knowledge" may I suggest that we pause and reflect on what are the consequences of our actions? BTW, I like being adventuresome.==========================0000000000000000========================
Shawn, for some time, I have been of the opinion that words like, gods, god, and God carry so much baggage that, in my humble opinion, perhaps the time has come for us to use a new and special symbol in the form of an anagram: GØD.
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To understand the meaning of this anagram I suggest the following:
1. Let the G stand for the highest moral and ethical good, Agape-love. Agape-love can include eros (that is, sensual or physical love) and philia (love of friend for friend) but it is not dependent on them.
The Bible says, "GØD is Love" (John 3: 8 &16). The Greek word is, agape. Agape-love, inspired by GØD, and expressed in our daily lives becomes justice, truth, and all the great virtues, in our actions.
2. The Ø, is a mathematical symbol, not unlike zero. It refers to a mathematical set--one without elements. Check out set theory. This links the GØD concept with mathematics (which means the discipline), order and the sciences. GØD is the no thing--not to be confused with nothing.
3. Let the D stand for the artistic design and beauty of things. This links GØD with the arts, and the search for that which is lovely, beautiful and true.
4. GØD is not a heavenly tyrant waiting to be placated; not a super person-like being, separate and apart from all that is, and looking for us to bow and scrape and plead for mercy, or favours, as if we were just subjects on our knees. But, rather, GØD is ALL being, total, universal and all-encompassing, and in and through all that IS--physically, mentally and spiritually. GØD is all the knowledge, wisdom and power available. GØD is like an all powerful and infallible computer, just waiting to be used to help us manage our time, find all the resources, including the people, and the money we need to help us get things done.
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Numinoso, you brought up some of the hardest questions. I'm not quite sure how to best reply. The answer to how to actually manipulate and control our brains will necessarily be multifaceted. There are many ways currently to do this. However, our current methods are rather crude and unsatisfactory, and do not offer the type of manipulation and control that I envision.
Interesting. Why not consult GØD? And I am not thinking of GØD, theistically--as the old person-like man up there. For some time, now, I have been doing experiments with what I could call a "tuning-in type of praying". Things are really happening. In Aramaic, the language of Jesus, the word which we translate as 'to pray' is SLAHA. The modern Arabic is SLA. It does not mean "to ask" for things; it means to, "tune in", or "to connect with" and we will find the things we need. It works for me and others I know who have tried it.
I will be glad to go into more details about this with those who are really interested. You say
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What we must do first, though, is obtain a better understanding of how the brain functions and is organized.
I say, we also need to understand what prayer is and how it functions, from the spirit (pneuma) as an aid to understanding the functions of the brain/mind (psyche) and the body (soma). It is my humble opinion that GØD--as the ALL--is just waiting for us to get our egos out of the way and this will help us get rid of the resistance which is preventing us from connecting in to the source of all the information we are seeking. I will use your words QUOTE
...only then will we harness the power to control and manipulate our brains in order to achieve transcendent states of God-consciousness such that have never been experienced by anyone before.
And you go on
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... the type of manipulation and control of our brains that I have in mind will make the human brain in relation to our modified brains like the rat brain is to the human brain. And it won't stop there. It'll just be the beginning. There is no limit to the extent to which we'll be able to enhance, augment, expand, manipulate, and control our brains...and control our states of consciousness (particularly God-consciousness) and Being.
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It's the dilemma of writing versus activity and experimentation. That is, when one is engaged in activity, in research, experimentation, and the like, it makes it very hard to slow down and stop to write about what you're doing. Conversely, when you make the time to sit down and write about what you're doing, you can no longer be engaged in what it is that you're writing about.
namaste,
Shawn
Interestingly, you used the Sanskrit word 'nameste' to close off your message. I am sure you know what it means: The GØD in me beholds the GØD in you. Since last december I have been involved with a group of progressive-thinking people, here in Markham, Ontario. The group is called Pathways http://www.pathwayschurch.ca/ It grows out of the Progressive Christianity movement--a non-sectarian and non-dogmatic movement http://www.progressivechristianity.ca/ccpc/ccpc8points.aspxnamaste,
Shawn
Every meeting we sing a beautiful song using 'nameste', over and over again. I will be happy to tell the group about your work. We will do some "tuning in" for the success of what you are doing. Let us see what will be the result of this experiment in "tuning in". Nameste, to you and all who read this post.
Manipulation is both useful and utterly horrifying, on one hand we can advance our brains much faster and gain a greater insight, however there are far more sinister uses for it. Right now, there are implant devices in dolphines and sharks that are used to patrol the ocean, the scientists can view everything the shark views, what it hears and so on. Worse yet is that they can control all of the functions of the shark, it is virtually the scientists puppet which they manipulate to check out vessels (there was a sippet about it on Daily Planet - Discovery about this if you dont believe me). The thing is that this technology has also been adapted for humans, the concepts remain the same.. Not only can you control the entire motor functions of a person but also shut them on and off at will with EEG patterns using a non physical EEG that goes through the air for a few hundred feet (it does exist and is patented) mixed with ultrasonic carrier waves to create whats known as audible sound with a ultrasonic carrier wave. There is literatly hundreds of things to talk about manipulation however most get a bit worse as you go on, overall manipulation just widens the gap between rich and poor.
What about matters having to do with morals and ethics? Can the master make the subject follow and do that which is evil, gainst the will of the subject?
Most people like to believe they cant, but truth be told, they can. Even in hypnosis, you just dont tell them "go eat that dirt" you say "in front of you is a delicious dinner, its so moist and juicey, go ahead and take a bite of the food". In things like hypnosis its true that you cant make them do something they believe is wrong, but you just need to make them believe they are doing something that isnt wrong and vowala! there goes morals and ethics. Thing like implants are in a whole nother realm of control, quite literatly they have control of your motor functions, what you see, sense ect. The implants are not godly all powerful things but they are a frightful piece of technology.
Who said consciousness was evolving? What's the evidence? Give me one example!
can conciousness evolve or just change?
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Jun 05, 10:23 AM) 
Most people like to believe they can't, but truth be told, they can. Even in hypnosis, you just dont tell them "go eat that dirt" you say "in front of you is a delicious dinner, its so moist and juicey, go ahead and take a bite of the food".
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