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Lizard King
Hope is to embrace subjegation to that which is Not.
Joesus
Hope is looking outside of the moment and possibly the vague perception of extended awareness.
Hoping is firmly standing in what you believe is, with the thought, that what is not can be.
By fully embracing that which is not, you have complete control over everything because it is no longer a thought but reality.
Lizard King
To hope is to cower in the shadow of a dream.
Conviction leads to action.
Joesus
unconscious cowering..
conviction without knowledge leads to spinning wheels rolleyes.gif
Lizard King
Yessss
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Hope is looking outside of the moment and possibly the vague perception of extended awareness.
Hoping is firmly standing in what you believe is, with the thought, that what is not can be.
By fully embracing that which is not, you have complete control over everything because it is no longer a thought but reality.


Hope: Conceiving of that which is not as being attainable. Hope inspires change by making that which is unattainable into that which is attainable. Hope creates something out of nothing, an entity out of a void. Hope is love. Unconditional love is universal connection, oneness. Hope connects the positive with the negative; the something and the nothing; the future to the present, from the past. Hope is what keeps us alive. Hope is what makes us thrive. It is chance. It is melody, rather than monotone. Hope is inspiration.
Joesus
Inspiration enlightens man beyond thoughts of hope. Where inspiration lives, accomplishment exists without derivations of hope or despair.
Spirit keeps us alive. Hope is not born of spirit but of fear and ego, and it eventually gives way to the belief in death.
Hope is a sad song, a melody of despair, it is anything but unconditional love. Hope is born from acceptance of a lesser reality than the perfect dream. Hope is born of illusion.

There is not try, there is only do---Yoda
boots
Wow thanks for clearing that up for me.

Yoda was truly wise.
boots
The Four Noble Truths

1. Life means suffering.

2. The origin of suffering is attachment.

3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.

4. The path to the cessation of suffering.



1. Life means suffering.

To live means to suffer, because the human nature is not perfect and neither is the world we live in. During our lifetime, we inevitably have to endure physical suffering such as pain, sickness, injury, tiredness, old age, and eventually death; and we have to endure psychological suffering like sadness, fear, frustration, disappointment, and depression. Although there are different degrees of suffering and there are also positive experiences in life that we perceive as the opposite of suffering, such as ease, comfort and happiness, life in its totality is imperfect and incomplete, because our world is subject to impermanence. This means we are never able to keep permanently what we strive for, and just as happy moments pass by, we ourselves and our loved ones will pass away one day, too.

2. The origin of suffering is attachment.

The origin of suffering is attachment to transient things and the ignorance thereof. Transient things do not only include the physical objects that surround us, but also ideas, and -in a greater sense- all objects of our perception. Ignorance is the lack of understanding of how our mind is attached to impermanent things. The reasons for suffering are desire, passion, ardour, pursuit of wealth and prestige, striving for fame and popularity, or in short: craving and clinging. Because the objects of our attachment are transient, their loss is inevitable, thus suffering will necessarily follow. Objects of attachment also include the idea of a "self" which is a delusion, because there is no abiding self. What we call "self" is just an imagined entity, and we are merely a part of the ceaseless becoming of the universe.

3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.

The cessation of suffering can be attained through nirodha. Nirodha means the unmaking of sensual craving and conceptual attachment. The third noble truth expresses the idea that suffering can be ended by attaining dispassion. Nirodha extinguishes all forms of clinging and attachment. This means that suffering can be overcome through human activity, simply by removing the cause of suffering. Attaining and perfecting dispassion is a process of many levels that ultimately results in the state of Nirvana. Nirvana means freedom from all worries, troubles, complexes, fabrications and ideas. Nirvana is not comprehensible for those who have not attained it.

4. The path to the cessation of suffering.

There is a path to the end of suffering - a gradual path of self-improvement, which is described more detailed in the Eightfold Path. It is the middle way between the two extremes of excessive self-indulgence (hedonism) and excessive self-mortification (asceticism); and it leads to the end of the cycle of rebirth. The latter quality discerns it from other paths which are merely "wandering on the wheel of becoming", because these do not have a final object. The path to the end of suffering can extend over many lifetimes, throughout which every individual rebirth is subject to karmic conditioning. Craving, ignorance, delusions, and its effects will disappear gradually, as progress is made on the path.

http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/fourtruths.html
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The reasons for suffering are desire, passion, ardour, pursuit of wealth and prestige, striving for fame and popularity, or in short: craving and clinging. Because the objects of our attachment are transient, their loss is inevitable, thus suffering will necessarily follow. Objects of attachment also include the idea of a "self" which is a delusion, because there is no abiding self. What we call "self" is just an imagined entity, and we are merely a part of the ceaseless becoming of the universe.



Hope is selfish desire. Hope is suffering.
Joesus
The eightfold path is wisdom or knowledge in action and has nothing really to do with hope, tho the idea or thought of hope often enters the waking state mind, when it is lost, in and amongst the illusions of the ego.

The eight limbs of Yoga

1.Yama The yamas refer to an individual's ethical standards and way of behaving. The yamas have five areas of focus:
Ahimsa: nonviolence against oneself or others, in actions or thoughts.
Aparigraha: noncovetousness, non-grasping, conscious understanding of reality produces right action or action that is in alignment with cosmic will.
Asteya: nonstealing, knowledge of reality leads to surrender to the supreme being. As MSI wrote:"It is impossible to surrender to the 'Supreme Being' without the experience of the 'Supreme Being/Ascendant'."
Brahmacharya: continence, abstinence, self-restraint, conscious choice directed toward evolutionary expansion of awareness rather than sensory gratification and devolution of consciousness and contraction of conscious awareness .
Satya: truthfulness in all dealings with the self and Self in reality.
2. Niyama The niyamas refer to a more internal view of ourselves; to behaviors and observances. The niyamas have five areas of focus:
Isvara Pranidhana: surrender to God, realizing ego is not in control of one's existence.
Samtosa: contentment and modesty, accepting what happens through expansion of consciousness.
Saucha: purity of the body and thoughts.
Svadhyaya: the study of sacred texts, to study oneself through reflection.
Tapas: literally translated as heat; the fire tha burns away all that is not real, spiritual austerities, which means useful boundaries or focus and discipline.

3.Asana The most common discipline taught in contemporary yoga classes are the postures and movement between postures. Practicing asana helps prepare us for deeper meditation. By maintaining a healthy and open physical body, we are able to come to deeper meditation, enabling us to experience samadhi. From a yogaperspective, this is the primary reason for practicing asana.
4.Pranayama Prana translates as breath or life force. Yama translates as control. Thus pranayama means control of the breath. Through pranayama practice, we learn to control the body and mind by controlling the breath. We can strengthen the energy within as well as making the energy more peaceful. Pranayama increases our lung capacity, decreases stress, helps us focus, and brings a sense of balance of the inner self with the world around us. If practiced correctly, the body and mind become healthier. Practicing the first four limbs of yoga, Yama, Niyama, Asana and Pranayama help us to more thoroughly experience the next four limbs, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and Samadhi, which focus more on the spiritual self.
5.Pratyahara Pratyahara means withdrawing from the senses. More accurately, it means to transcend the senses so they don't influence us in a way that prevents us from reaching Samadhi, or enlightenment. By transcending the senses, we move our awareness away from the outer world and toward the inner self. Here, without outside influence, we are able to view our selves in a deeper, more intimate way, ultimately finding the true self.
6.Dharana With the help of Pratyahara, Dharana enables us to concentrate more fully, bringing a richer awareness of the mind. This step is essential to meditation. Here, we use all the previously mentioned limbs to bring our selves to a place of such peacefulness and balance, every thought or influence is met with a totally open mind, body and spirit. There is no preconception, prejudgment, conditioning, fear, anxiety, joy or sorrow to influence our meeting with each event. We meet every moment with our true selves.
7.Dhyana Dhyana is meditation. In Dhyana, or meditation, we move beyond Dharana (concentration) into a state of total awareness. We are able to concentrate on a focus point, while still being aware of everything else around and within us. This is a much more difficult task than might be thought. All the previously mentioned limbs are engaged when we come to this state. The mind and body must be totally quiet and open.
8.Samadhi Samadhi is the state of transcendence of the self, a state of ecstasy. It is the joining or union (the meaning of yoga) with all living things, with the universe, with the Devine. Here, we are in a state of bliss, beyond the place of knowledge, beyond the place of worldly things, to a realization that everything is of the same substance and that all is connected - yoga!

Here are 8 terms given to types of yoga, Jnana Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, Raja Yoga, Karma Yoga, Hatha Yoga, Dhyana Yoga, Ashtanga Yoga,


It should be noted that one does not have to master each of the eight limbs individually to achieve the results of enlightenment.
When one has enlightened guidance coupled with the effective tools to take the mind inward to realize the absolute consciousness all aspects of discipline are effectively engaged similar to pulling a table with eight legs by one of its legs. The rest come with...

Life does not mean suffering. Life ultimately is expanding.
Suffering is an illusion.
Ignorance is suffering
Attachment to sensory addictions is suffering.
Life is meant to be lived to the greatest heights of creativity and love.


And...How about that Yoda wink.gif
Lizard King
Hope is a Reflection of that which is not
Lizard King
Dien toivil hat shone vida aufgehoun.
Lizard King
Mit Gegungen
Mit Gefungen
Lizard King
Neutron Pulsar, We need to get out.
boots
Regret is hope focussed towards the past. Regret is a longing for what could have been, rather than embracing that which could be.
Lizard King
Regrets?
I've had a few, but there not good to munch on.
Lizard King
Hard Sounds are bad for the Brain

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The eightfold path is wisdom or knowledge in action and has nothing really to do with hope, tho the idea or thought of hope often enters the waking state mind, when it is lost, in and amongst the illusions of the ego.

QUOTE
Life does not mean suffering. Life ultimately is expanding.
Suffering is an illusion.
Ignorance is suffering
Attachment to sensory addictions is suffering.
Life is meant to be lived to the greatest heights of creativity and love.


Life does not mean suffering for one who is enlightened. But life seems like it means suffering for those who are ignorant or attached to material things, even if it is not directly recognized as being so. I see people suffering everywhere. Even if it is an illusion, it is still apparent. I'd be lying if I said that I don't suffer sometimes too. I am not fully enlightened.
I think the eightfold path does relate to hope. Those who suffer hope for an end to their suffering. That end comes with recognition of the desires of the ego and ultimately realizing that the ego (and the suffering that it brings) is an illusion. Once this recognition comes, the eightfold path naturally follows and becomes integrated in one's knowledge and actions.
Rick
Strife and struggle are unavoidable, as are pain and death. This makes us all the more grateful for what good we can have and do.
boots
I have been reading more on the four noble truths. The first is that "Life is dukkah." Dukkah is usually translated as "suffering." However, "suffering" doesn't quite grasp the true meaning of dukkah. No single English word truly represents what dukkha is meant to represent.

"Birth is dukkha, aging is dukkha, death is dukkha; sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, & despair are dukkha; association with the unbeloved is dukkha; separation from the loved is dukkha; not getting what is wanted is dukkha. In short, the five clinging-aggregates (which make up the self) are dukkha."
Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta SN 56.11

Dukkha occurs with a focus on the self, on the ego. Hope is dukkha.

So I think the four noble truths, and the eightfold path, do apply to hope. The first is realizing dukkha. The second is realizing that it has a cause. The third is realizing that it can be ceased. The fourth is realizing that there is a path to this cessation.

The eightfold path:
Wisdom:
1. Right view
2. Right intention
Ethical Conduct:
3. Right speech
4. Right action
5. Right livelihood
Mental Development:
6. Right effort
7. Right mindfulness
8. Right concentration

So the eightfold path is a means of approaching existence without undergoing dukkha. It offers a way to realize that dukkha is an illusion, brought about by the ego. Thus, it offers a way to realize that hope is illegitimate.
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