The essence of all the religions is one and the same

The essence of all the religions is one and the same since the Universal God gives it. The religions are different from each other because the religious leaders who are the human beings create the material that surrounds the essence. The skeleton is one and the same and there is no difference in the skeletons of the human beings. The difference lies only in the external materials covering the skeletons, which are flesh, skin etc., in these external materials differences arose due to deficiencies. Suppose there are two students. One is weak in physics and the other is weak in chemistry.

Each student mocks the other for the deficiency. Therefore, the deficiency is the root of difference and quarrels in the religions. The reason for the deficiency is the human brain that developed the external body of the spiritual knowledge. Therefore, the spiritual knowledge is the skeleton and the religion is its body. The deficiency in a religion can be removed by taking the merits of the other religions. Every religion has deficiency and the rectification of that deficiency should be from other religion without any ego and jealousy. Do not think that you are without defects. Do not think that your parents have no defects. Do not think that your teachers and preachers do not have defects. Therefore, observe others and take the merits from anybody without prejudice.

The blind thinking that your nation, your state, your district, your town or village, your caste, your family, your parents, etc., is the best or highest should be eradicated from your brain. Always base your self on your analysis and commonsense that is observed from the examples in the world. Your elders might have polluted the scriptures but this world is the best scripture written by God. This world-scripture is Universal without any color of any religion. You can develop the entire spiritual knowledge by observing this world and the scientific knowledge existing in the various examples or items of the world. Any human being cannot pollute these. You must be scientific and analytical in your belief. The ignorant and clever religious elders always exploit blind belief.

While this may be a nice thought, its bunk. No, all religions are not the same. In fact they often completely contradict each other at their most basic levels. What your missing with your village elders concept, is that you first have to support that my district, town , or village is not the best. According to a persons environment, this is true and the obvious result to their analysis.

I'm interested in what you have to say, but support your arguements please.

What he is saying is that all religions come from the same place. Christian based religions rally around the teachings of Jesus and what he taught based on the existing scripture that was taught when he was alive.
Jesus spent time in Asia and India before teaching his disciples, where he studied and debated the essence of the teachings and practices he encountered in the various monasteries and institutions he visited.
He addressed the various Pharisees and Sadducees of the time for their ignorance of the source of religion or the source of ones faith and interest in Universal laws.

If one takes the time to study the foundations of religion(s) and their laws a person can easily find the similarities in the teachings.
Religion is introspection, the search for meaning and understanding of ones place in creation. The reasons and the laws that support the universe can be experienced and explained in the diversity of personality.
Jesus was a Christ-ed (enlightened) individual. Buddha was an enlightened individual, Joseph Smith of the Mormon faith had a revelation and was guided by a voice and each one of these individuals spoke of their experiences and drew attention to themselves those people who were asking questions of themselves and their association with reality.

With each new individual who steps out and makes an impact on personality in reference to spiritual association there is a bonding and energy spent in expanding knowledge and experience.
This is the nature of human interests.
With Christ we have all branches of Christianity.
I spent some time in the South and was amazed that there were so many Baptist churches in one town. The reason there was so many is because someone disagreed with an interpretation and went and started their own church down the block to preach their own interpretation of the gospel, and then another and another until you had 10 churches that called themselves Baptists in a square mile.
With Buddha came followers and disciples of his teachings and Buddhism.
Joseph Smith wrote the book of Mormon and you can become a master of the obvious by tracing the Mormons to this source.

Every religion can be traced to its source and each human source is connected to One source with individual flavors of personality as seen by the ego.
The enlightened connection bypasses human personality and ego sees only human personality intervening for the source of their own imagination.

Generally speaking followers of an individual be it an enlightened one is still a follower.
Until people connect themselves to the one source there will be, CYNICISM, JUDAISM, BUDDHISM, HINDUISM, ZOROASTRIANISM, SUDUANISM (JAINISM), SHINTO, TAOISM, CONFUCIANISM, and CHRISTIANITY in various degrees of interpretation and form.


Through religious faith the soul of man reveals itself and demonstrates the potential divinity of its emerging nature by the characteristic manner in which it induces the mortal personality to react to certain trying intellectual and testing social situations. Genuine spiritual faith (true moral consciousness) is revealed in that it:

1. Causes ethics and morals to progress despite inherent and adverse animalistic tendencies.

2. Produces a sublime trust in the goodness of God even in the face of bitter disappointment and crushing defeat.

3. Generates profound courage and confidence despite natural adversity and physical calamity.

4. Exhibits inexplicable poise and sustaining tranquillity notwithstanding baffling diseases and even acute physical suffering.

5. Maintains a mysterious poise and composure of personality in the face of maltreatment and the rankest injustice.

6. Maintains a divine trust in ultimate victory in spite of the cruelties of seemingly blind fate and the apparent utter indifference of natural forces to human welfare.

7. Persists in the unswerving belief in God despite all contrary demonstrations of logic and successfully withstands all other intellectual sophistries.

8. Continues to exhibit undaunted faith in the soul's survival regardless of the deceptive teachings of false science and the persuasive delusions of unsound philosophy.

9. Lives and triumphs irrespective of the crushing overload of the complex and partial civilizations of modern times.

10. Contributes to the continued survival of altruism in spite of human selfishness, social antagonisms, industrial greeds, and political maladjustments.

11. Steadfastly adheres to a sublime belief in universe unity and divine guidance regardless of the perplexing presence of evil and sin.

12. Goes right on worshiping God in spite of anything and everything. Dares to declare, "Even though he slay me, yet will I serve him."

We know, then, by three phenomena, that man has a divine spirit or spirits dwelling within him: first, by personal experience--religious faith; second, by
revelation--personal and racial; and third, by the amazing exhibition of such extraordinary and unnatural reactions to his material environment as are illustrated by the foregoing recital of twelve spiritlike performances in the presence of the actual and trying situations of real human existence. And there are still others.

today, there are four kinds of religion:

1. Natural or evolutionary religion.

2. Supernatural or revelatory religion.

3. Practical or current religion, varying degrees of the admixture of natural and supernatural religions.

4. Philosophic religions, man-made or philosophically thought-out theologic doctrines and reason-created religions.

Human nature is to be free to make a choice, in interpretation and understanding. In one sense religion is that nature in which we see ourselves. Some are more expressive about their experiences and beliefs than others, and some have an aversion to expression of opinion and experience because it irritates their own sense of stagnation, where they haven't or aren't making any choices. Some fear their choices are inferior tho they may or may not admit it, but man is known to go so far as to kill another to prevent the feelings that they feel when someone (with a different experience and opinion stimulates the low self worth and paranoia) comes into their house/neighborhood/country.

Ok. So what is it thats so similar?

Is there a god? Different answers from most all.
Buddhism: Yes, many but they are essentially irelevant and unenlightened.
Abrahamics: Yes there is and he made everything.
Taoism: Everything or nothing is god, all is connected.
Muslims: There is one god, and mohammed is his prophet.

Are there many or one god? Different answers from most.
Hinduism: Many, but all faces of one.
Abrahamics: Old testament: many, such as elohim and adonai. New testament: one, but made of three pieces.
Shintoism: Yes, and spirits enhabiting nearly everything, such as toasters, and you should pay them respect.
Sihkism: No, and the only thing that continues forever are the great yogi masters.
Sufiism: Everything is peices of god, he lives in every breath.

Why did "god" or the gods create the world?
Abrahmic: For a laugh, to be honored and respected. Basically, a god that want people to bow before him so much he allows billions of souls to suffer for eternity.
Judaism: God made a mistake. Its the process of us collecting the vessel pieces which can hold his nature. (Rhabbinical teachings)
Buddhism: It was a mistake. A bifurcation.

How should we act?
Abrahamic faiths: Obey these rules as best you can, but expect to fail. Then pray to a man who died as a sacrifice so you can be considered perfect or at least sin-less.

Buddhism: Make sure not to follow rules. Escape the bounds that tie you to your suffering. Break all your expectations and never have faith. Question everything. (Tibetan or non-nicheren buddhism)

Hinduism: Through works, devotion, or the mind, one can become an enlightened being worthy of company with higher heavens with the gods.

Judaism: Stay as clean as you can and watch what you eat and say.

What happens when we die?
etc. etc.

These answers are not the same. In fact the only similarities really lye in the realm of morality. While they are incredibly varied there too, i.e. torture and killing of "witches" versus actual pacifism, or downright social engineered obediance like confuscianism. The similarities come from people living their lives and experiancing similar lives. They make similar gods because all people need and feel certain similar experiances.

No the answers are not the same because the essence of religion has led to determinism and idealism in the trailing interpretations of origin.

Tell a story to 100 people and each remembers something but not always the same thing. Extend that process through several thousand years and the stories get twisted in interpretation and in practice.
The essence of God permeates itself in the manifestation of life and its diversity.
God is becoming, God is not or cannot be captured in one idea, experience or book or religion.
If you have a mountain and you place a person at north, south, east and west of the mountain, it's not likely they will have the same experience or the same view, but to them their view of the mountain is real.

There is a story about three blind men who would get together once a week when their families would travel into town to shop for their supplies. The families would gather in the center of town where they would leave their blind relatives to visit with each other as they went about their business.
The three would be busy chatting about whatever was relevant for them during the course of the week sharing their experiences and catching up on the latest gossip.
One day a traveler passed through town on an elephant. The event was something to speak of since not many elephants passed through their part of the country.
The town instantly came alive with the excitement of the event. The three old men were wondering what all the excitement was about and asked some boys who were passing by what was making everyone excited.
“There’s an elephant passing thru the town,” one of the boys replied.
“I’ve never seen an elephant nor do I know what it might look like,” said the blind man. “Neither have I said the other two together.”
The boys somewhat amused that the three blind men didn’t know what an elephant looked like immediately offered to take them to the elephant, to let them experience for themselves what an elephant might look like.
The boys being somewhat mischievous thought it might be fun to play a trick on the three men when they arrived, so when they came to the elephant they took them each to a different part of the elephant to feel the elephant and experience it.
The first was led to the Leg where he felt around the rough skin, and upward to what seemed a gigantic immovable object firmly planted in the ground.
He was then led back to his friends who listened to his description of a beast, “so big and solid it was like a Tree standing firmly in the ground.”
The second man was then led up to the front of the elephant where he began exploring the long trunk of the beast, the elephant being uncomfortable with the grasping hands of the man twitched his trunk sending the man flying to the ground. When the boy led him back to his friend he gasped in exasperation, “This elephant is a wild snake, most unpredictable and dangerous.” The first man said to them, “this cannot be, you cannot have touched the same beast as I.”
Finally the third man was led to climb upon some stacked crates at the side of the elephant and his hands guided to the ear. As he explored the huge ear he exclaimed, “Finally, I have solved this mystery, neither of my two friends have accurately described this elephant for it is like a giant living carpet.”
The boys thoroughly amused with themselves led the men back to the square where they argued over which description and experience was the correct one.

For the next few weeks the men relentlessly argued over the differences in their experience of the elephant.
Then one day, a man who had a reputation of being a wise sage and a great healer happened to be passing thru town and caught wind of the arguing blind men.
He listened to their arguments of the elephant, each describing the different experiences and refusing to acknowledge any truth in either of their friend’s experience.
The sage then stepped into the conversation and introduced himself. The three friends having heard of the sage asked if he could settle this dispute once and for all.
He then said to them, ”your blindness far exceeds your physical senses, it is not your eyes that do not see but your beliefs in the separation of your experiences. If you were to work together to discover the truth of the elephant I would heal your eyes that you may truly see this elephant for yourselves.”
The sage promised to return the following month to see if they could come to an agreement about what they had felt with their experiences of the elephant.

For the next few weeks to the irritation of their respective families they talked incessantly about their experiences of the elephant trying to solve the mystery of their differences.
Finally one of the three men remembering the snickering boys as they were each led to the elephant suggested that maybe they had been misled to experience different parts of the elephant and neither had quite grasped the entirety of the elephant at all.
This started the men to thinking about incorporating their experiences, and to piece together the mystery of this beast.
The first man said, “Perhaps this tree that I had wrapped myself around was only a leg of this huge beast and the snake one of many tentacles of this hideous creature, and the huge living carpet, a wing or some other appendage.” And so the contemplation continued until the sage would arrive.

At the end of the month the sage returned with an elephant to see if the three blind men had come to a conclusion in their quest for truth about their differing experiences.
He went to the square where the men were waiting anxiously for his return and greeted them on his approach.
“Have you come to a conclusion regarding the argument of what the elephant looks like?” he asked.
We have come to the conclusion that each of our experiences is valid. Even though our experiences and descriptions are different we have come to think that we have each a piece of the puzzle. We think we were misled by the boys who led us to different parts of this huge beast to deliberately set us apart in our experiences of the elephant. Together we think we can get closer to the truth rather than separately, but unfortunately we have only had one brief experience of the beast and without further examination would not be able to accurately solve the puzzle.”

“Very good,” said the sage, “If you would please follow me I think we can put an end to this mystery.” He then led the three blind me to the elephant. There he stopped and produced a salve which he administered to the eyes of each of the three blind men.
Within a few short minutes they each exclaimed that they were beginning to see shadow and light. Following that, the vision of the elephant became clear to each of them and they saw for the first time the huge leg that the first man had described as a tree, the long twisting trunk which was first thought to be a snake, and the third man exclaimed, “Look, look, the carpet is the beasts ear!”
The sage turned to each of them and said, “Each man is born with the senses to experience life, yet we each will experience it as we wish to experience it. God and his creation are not set in any stone or single experience but lives in all experiences. To fully understand Gods creation one must not exclude any part, or the experience of someone who does not see or experience the same as another, one must integrate all of the experiences or parts of the whole in everyone’s experience to see the whole more clearly.

Then go beyond the external senses addictions to see even more.

Ok, so basically what your saying is that any religious structure is irrelevant. They all say absolutely different things. They are all at this point so far from any truth that absolutely nothing worthwhile can be gleaned, right? While I can appreciate the story, your eliminating any form of absolutism. So their isn't one god, or many gods, instead theres some other option that we are to stupid to understand. God doesn't want you to kill, but sometimes he does. Were just to blind to know when? This doesn't really do anything to further anyone. It gives absolutely no guidance towards what behaviors are appropriate, what the consequences of any actions are. It gives absolutely no indication as to the nature of anything. So overall, nothing has been said.

This is like walking into a U.N. summit and saying, "gee I'm sure your all right." Do you really think this will solve the political issues of the day? In the end, any connection is arbitrary and irrelevant if one can't draw any conclusions.

Integration of religion? Experientially I understand what your saying, but this reads as ridiculously as "the secret" or "what the bleep." It's nice to pretend that Jesus Christ and Buddha sat around thinking happy thoughts, and that string theory means all our wishes come true, but whats been said here is absolutely unsupported, and in fact unsupportable at all. We lack the historical knowledge to say that all religions stem from the same original belief. Furthermore, the idea is absolutely meaningless because even if it is true, it provides no suggestions as to how one should act differently.

But, its ok. I'm sure your all right.

It can be extremely relevant to someone, and it may lead them to greater questions and growth beyond any restrictions of dogmatic idealization.
What I'm saying is God is not a proprietary concept encapsulated by any one design.

If several different people describe one event in different words they are saying it differently but describing the same thing.
If they pass their experience on in some story and that is passed on again and again it may not be the same story but the origin of the story is still pure to the original experience.

Any story followed after being passed on generation after generation is subject to scrutiny and should be given some thought. If one is genuinely interested in something they tend to seek answers for themselves.
Those that seek find. Those that generalize from the sidelines know nothing but often have many opinions about a subject.
Those who are genuinely interested find the information that leads them to a path of self discovery, which is what the essence of religion is all about. Religions, or what they originate from is the example of discovery and the experiences that follow discovery.
Those that are too lazy to follow the example take any story that suits them and apply it to their beliefs and then try to line everyone else up to those beliefs.
Any True teaching always points one back to their own hearts. Once you get past all the distortions of the original teachings of any religion you can find the essence of that. If you pass judgment from the outside, knowing nothing of the origins of religion, you are just talking about nothing.
Experience what is underlying any true Teaching and you know something.

Absolutes don't exist in any form, that is what religious teachings,(True religious teachings) point toward. Every relative form can be traced back to its absolute underlying reality, the one that supports all aspects of human being and its relationship to the divine creator.

Stupidity in this case is the choice to ignore the reality of Truth. Cause and effect is given to some absolute God by the ignorant, when it is in fact in the hands of the individual.
Karma is in effect the thought fulfilled in universal dimension. Everything that is experience is initiated by choice. The separation that exists in man from this reality has led man to think some mystic entity is responsible for the magnitude of creation that is out of its control.
When Jesus said "I and my Father are one" he was expressing his conscious connection to the forces of nature and nature itself. In union God and man are one. With the mind immersed in the infinite absolute all relative universal creations are exuding from consciousness that dreams and maintains reality as we experience it. We just can't wrap our minds around it so we try to reduce the infinite into role playing.
God, God's creation, and God's defective creation as mankind seeking absolution and salvation from its omniscient, omnipresent, perfect Father who couldn't seem to get it right when he created man and the earth. Twisted ideas based on the limitations of the ego and its delusions of the infinite universe.

In Truth, when one becomes aware of the reality of God and immerses themselves in the fabric of space and time through the absolute, they become aligned with the direction of the manifest. Once you become the driver, the car and the road, it no longer has any single projected end or scenery and is wide open to the desire and intention of the creator.
6 Billion generators projecting a foundation of thought based on limited self worth and fear creates a rather substantial bubble of time and space with various implications toward self destruction.
Humanity is slowly coming around but it has taken some thousands of years to get this far and it will be soon that we make or break this bubble into something greater or we vaporize it and start over again.
Human free will is the essence of humanity and it takes its place in the projection of the image of itself on the screen of time and space.
We are only one page of many books that are the stories of God.
Morals, Tapas or useful boundaries are guidelines to structure conscious awareness away from the delusions of separation and ego. The Ten commandments are hints to the discipline necessary in turning the senses back toward the absolute rather than outward through the senses to see who we really are. We are simply addicted to what we see in our current projections of ourselves in the entertaining world of sensation and instant gratification.

If one has neither the ears to hear or the eyes to see they are blind. Any brief contact made with a small surface of the elephant and the foolish attempt to try and summarize the totality of the elephant and its nature from a blind mans point of view always leads to more ignorance.
You haven't really grasped the big picture, but you will if you really want to know of it and aren't going to just complain about what you don't understand.


There is some good stuff in the secret and what the bleep. But like I said if you don't know anything about consciousness it would appear as some new agey idealism.
Integrating religion is far from what I'm saying, integrating several clubs that do not in themselves have an understanding and living experience of God would just paste illusions together to try to come up with a democratic resolution but still have nothing permanent.
People have to be conscious of God, with a permanent connection to the evolving experience of God to be able to speak of God, otherwise they project only their best guess, as it changes with their beliefs and the weather.

The trouble with proof is that those who can't think very big want their proof to fall into small categories of thinking. We build instruments of idea based on what we can imagine. What we haven't imagined we will invent when we get smart enough to think about them and understand them.
The same is true of God. We as humans locked in the limited confines of the ego think three dimensionally and then insist God accommodate us by confining itself to a three dimensional reality and one that is to our insistent designs. God waits patiently in its perfection until our imagination gets a bit more expanded to accommodate a tiny glimpse of its Truth.
It's kind of like the wheel that existed always, waiting for humans to grasp its reality before humanity pulled it forward into function and use from its infinite storage in the absolute realm of potential.
We only see what we want to see, and then demand God to show us more when we haven't opened up to our capacity to see more.

Man once thought man could never fly but then we built airplanes. The airplane couldn't be built until man stopped thinking man could never fly and knew that he could somehow and some way. Only then could the reality trickle through the layers of conditioning that is small thinking and delusion of ego. It is still evolving today and we are flying higher and faster letting go of more limitations every day.

Those that have had the experience and have become enlightened lead others who are ready, but like any unripe fruit on a tree, if you try and pull it off of its tree it loses its attachment to its nourishment which it has created to bring it to ripeness. Once it no longer needs the tree it becomes something different.
People through their own designs have attached themselves to trees they have long ago planted through many lifetimes of thoughts and ideas until they reach a certain maturity to become something else.
Humanity as a whole and as individuals are getting there, slowly but surely. Over 90% of humanity believes and thinks about some sort of God or force in the universe and they are awakening to their connection to the force that connects us all and gives us power to be who and what we are. We are only now as a whole beginning to understand what that is.
Unfortunately our ignorance has created some bizarre interpretations from throwing people to the lions, all out war for religious control and pockets of isolated cults with a sincere desire to extricate themselves from the confines of control by the forces of greed and totalitarianism, but we are like children in a playground imagining some bizarre concepts of what it is like to be grown up.
The sages of the present and past have always been around to help guide humanity toward their inevitable Truth of origin and nature. Proof lies in something much greater than can be contained in any relative measure. We have little compassion yet for our own ignorance but we are not hopeless.
Always the Truth exists for those who can grasp it, and it always exists for anyone. Not everyone is willing or capable of letting their small ideas of reality loose to glimpse it.
Those that try to get a grip by using drugs of any kind know their altered state of mind is stretching beyond their limited belief and because they don't know how to let go try to force their mind to let go by detaching it from the normal neural pathways created through the integration of thoughts and ideas passed on from generation to generation in common delusion. They then try to imagine the glimpses they get through the foggy experiences are what enlightenment and God are all about when they return to what they call normal.
Some day they will allow their mind to wander naturally into who they are and find that they never had to force the mind in any way to experience who they are.
The natural ability for anyone to take their mind into the depths of consciousness is much easier than most think.
It actually takes more effort to maintain the delusions of belief and creates more stress in the body than it does to let go and let God, to immerse the mind into the absolute.
The science of Union to those who can't understand seem like illusions of religious imagination and fantasy, when the fact is, death and the short lived imaginings of 80 some odd years are the illusions of the ego and are not the permanent reality of consciousness or anything relevant to the underlying essence of any true religion.

Tho it is a long post I have added some information that may be relative to your questions on this subject in another topic posted on May 11th

heres the link /forum/index.php?showtopic=19066&hl=

Ok, so tell me if I have this right. I'm going to try to summarize the conversation so far:

A says: God is not in the details; God is in the patterns.
B says: But how do we learn from the pattern?
A says: If your open to "truth," you can discern it from the pattern.

I'm trying to be as objective as possible, so if this isn't what you mean don't take it as a slander. I have had many subjective personal spiritual experiences. I use them as alternative perspectives of reality. Example: Judgementalism. Prior to certain experiences, I mirrored my expectations of myself on others. I had my "right" and my "wrong," and forced them on others to a degree. Now I can pick and choose my perspectives according to usefulness. If I feel someone could be benefited by an alternative perspective, I attempt to share it. My focal point is always to maximize compassion rather than any greater sense of morality. For example a girl I know has a beleif as to how her father should act and treats him poorly because he doesn't meet it. I discussed the concept of "father" and how her expectations are not reality. Basically I reinterpreted who he is and what certain concepts like "father" means. As a result, she is more accepting of her father. This benefits both him and her. Now this is where I have a problem though.

The perspective I've shared is not "truth." In fact, I'm not sure I beleive what I say. My point was to maximize their mutual understanding and care, not truth. If I had lied, I still don't feel I'm hippocritical, simply because truth was never my goal.

Alternatively, maybe fundamental Muslims, or maybe the Aum Shinrikyo (think nerve gas), are absolutely living in the truth. Maybe they alone know it. But to me, if the result is that others suffer, I see no benefit from truth. If as Christians beleive, God created all this to be glorified, I could never worship such a immoral god (of course, this depends on ones definition of morality).

I'm not really looking as much for proof, as I'm looking for application. Theres a difference between saying, all religions stem from the same, and all religions are different perspectives of the same. I can agree that all are different perspectives, but if these different perspectives are downright opposites, how should one act? Its easy to pick and choose what we want and justify our actions. Most actual criticisms of religions are due to people doing exactly that; picking and choosing from doctrine to justify what they want to do.

SO! I'm not implying that either of you are such a person (believing whats convienant). But how do you know your not? I prefer to provide people with perspectives that are productive, but what if I'm wrong? What if I'm leading them away from truth? How can I possibly know. In the end, everyone does what they feel is right. I'm not sure if people are ever actually evil, I think just ignorant and mislead. Once again, I can't support that though. Where is this "truth?"

Truth is what underlies everything in concept and manifestation.

Basically the universe runs off of cause and effect. Desire or thought given attention creates energy to move potential into effect.
Desire or thought creates effect, like dropping a single pebble into a pond creates ripples that move outward and land on the shore of manifestation.

Relative truth is basic to interpretation of reality. If you remove yourself from the attachment of the interpretations you begin to witness thought feeling and action. Awareness aware of itself is above and beyond cause and effect and moves in and out of it by freedom of will.
If individual awareness locks onto effect it becomes hypnotized or attached to the idea of effect and if done repeatedly ego develops a sense of self in accord with the effect rather than its truest nature which is beyond cause and effect or I should say creator of cause and effect.
"Be without the gunas oh Arjuna." Bhagavad Ghita. (or be without attachment to cause and effect.)

When Jesus said "I and my Father are One" he wasn't referring to some deity in principle that was other than himself, but the deity that has principle in the awareness of something other than separate pieces of a puzzle or a consciousness that is in perfect sequence with the pieces of the puzzle.
It would be like being a large stand of dominoes and consciously being aware of the stack before the initiation of force that causes it to topple in energetic motion, being aware of being the force that creates it to move and being aware of the accumulation of force and the goal or intent of the force and resulting comprehensive result of the stand and its interaction with force as well as being each domino with its own awareness of being a domino and its place within the stand and its eventual participation and end result.
In order to be all of that you would necessarily be larger/greater/beyond that and beyond all of that.
That essence then exists prior and after, to the creation and creative event, and is cognzant of every event within creative potential, and aware of itself.
This kind of truth is beyond relative truths of egoic individuality.

The individual ego in separation from the whole identifies itself with a fraction of some event within the potential and limits itself to existing only as a something.
The universal forces of change eventually takes what little energy the ego expends on trying to make identity and reality stable by wearing it out, and the end result is a physical death of the effort to maintain a position within the fabric of movement and change.
Trying to capture the spirit of God and to control it results in the eventual dissolution of boundaries in limitation and relative truth, or death of the manifestation of individual ego.
It is possible to utilize the nature of spirit and to manipulate it but not from the outside in separation of experience from God and without the familiarity of being God in constant experience.
The creation of what some call miracles, requires the subservience of ego to God rather than the relative boundaries and truths created from any illusion of the ego being something separate or other than God or God in single form or identity, or a new age concept of God.

Religion by relative values that are created by observing the enlightened results in the perceptions of enlightenment that are created from an outside perspective. A copycat effect by rationalization and limited perception of reality.

In one sense this can be observed by our children.
We have perhaps the greatest illusion of religious belief and idealism created in the beliefs and ideals that exist in children when they project according to their observances of adults, what it is like to be an adult.
Children idealize their place in society as an adult from the conversations they have with adults ,and other children and their conversations with adults.
None of them really know what it is like to be an adult until they become an adult and so not unlike religions based on relative ideals, while standing on the sidelines and not really knowing what it is like to be God one projects their best thoughts based on their accumulations of experience and knowledge.
Children do it all the time and no one has any trouble with their imaginings because they don't become dangerous until they become an adult and they begin to use the tools and prejudices that were taught by their best examples of being adult which are the adults in charge of their intellectual growth and the laws that govern their behavior.
They pick up by example the ability to go to war with others over conflicting ideals and to fight for territory and attachment to anything they idealize as being proprietary to their beliefs and identity.
Religion of being and knowing adult-hood doesn't come from the adults, it exists in the minds of the developing awareness in the child and as a religion applies to children as they become adults. It is a continuation of imaginings that go beyond any single idea of who we are in reference to the unending dissatisfaction that exists in the limitations that ego has in nailing the universe and recognition of ones place within the universe as it exists in idealism.

What most religions exist as is more of a churchianity rather than any real spiritual connectivity.
Real spiritual connectivity produces a radical change in personality in that it does not identify with limitation but with spirit and potential. As such behavior in a spiritually connected person far outrivals the disconnected spiritual ego and its limited ideals.
One works toward expansion of the whole in spirit and knowledge of the spirit, and the other works toward the protection of individuality and fear of death and the unknown by injecting subjective moral values in behavior and manipulating others to do the same.

The conflict that exists in individual truths is based on the fear the ego has of losing identity with itself. The spiritually connected individual sees the whole as the individual and no matter where you go and what you experience, there you are without any loss ever of identity of Self.

Okay, I've chewed this post over a bit, but I'm still not sure I'm getting what your saying. I completely understand the part regarding attachment, cause and effect. I actually particularly like the line regarding the concept of God not being a proprietary concept. What I'm getting mixed up about pertains to your ideas of identity and gods will.
I'm pasting here:
"That essence then exists prior and after, to the creation and creative event, and is cognzant of every event within creative potential, and aware of itself.
This kind of truth is beyond relative truths of egoic individuality."

So truth and god are essentially the same? Going beyond that, anything that is relative is a non-truth?
I believe that what your saying is that suffering is a product of disassociation from the whole in the name of ego.

What I'm not connecting here, are the Abrahamic faiths. They specifically view humans as less than and not as a part of God. This is a scripturally supported idea and I don't see how it can be considered as the same essence. I would go so far as to say that these religions are directly based on cause and effect, in that your behaviors are a cause, and the effect is where you end up.
Free from cause and effect, what is a soul? Am I a piece of something? Am I an identity in and of myself?

Sorry to be so damn obtuse, but I am reading what your saying. I honestly
am just not quite getting it.

Not non-truth, relative Truth. Absolute Truth is God. Religions are derived from absolute truth but more or less described according to varying levels of conscious awareness and by language that is limited to relative truths.

Suffering is determined by the mind body association and relative values. For everyone it is different, especially at different levels of consciousness.
To the fully enlightened suffering is an illusion. To the limited awareness of the waking state mind suffering is very real.

The following is from book II of The Second Coming of Christ The Resurrection of the Christ Within You by Paramahansa Yogananda

Yoga Sutras 1:2-3: "Yoga (scientific union with God) is the neutralization of the modifications of Chitta. Then the beholder (the soul) is established in its own state"--i.e.,the unconditioned freedom and immortal bliss inherent in the soul as a spark of God-essence.
As cited briefly in Discourse 26 ("blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God"), Jesus' teachings on the emotions parallel those of the more ancient science of yoga. A comprehensive yogic explaination of how these energetic forces operate in man's consciousness to promote or impede awareness of the Divine is given in Pramahansa Yogananda's commentary on the first chapter of the Bhagavad Gita (especially verses 4-11).
That such teachings were also known and practiced as part of the original Christianity is evident in the writings of a number of the early Church Fathers--leading some scholars to refer to them as a kind of "Christian Yoga."
Among the examples cited is Evagrius Ponticus, a fourth-century Desert Father whose writings were influential in the early mystical traditions of the both the Roman and Eastern Orthodox Christianity, and later among the Sufi mystics of Islam. In "Lost Chritianity" (New York: Teacher/Penguin, 2003) Professor Jacob Needleman says of Evafrius's teaching: "The Key term is the word apatheia, which translates into our word 'apathy' but which is far from the meaning of our English word as diamands are from broken glass....Apatheia means, literally, 'without emotions' --or, more precisely, freedom from emotions....Evagrius himself writes, 'Now this apatheia has a child called agape [love of God] who keeps the door to deep knowledge of the created universe. Finally, to this knowledge succeed theology [experiential knowledge of God] and the supreme beatitude."
Like wise in the Yoga Sutras Pada 1 Sutra 21 Patanjali says that the goal of yoga is nearest--that is, is reached most quickly by--those who possess tivra-samvega (extreme dispassion; not a negative state but a transmutation of longing for the world into intense ardor for God). (To the Intensely Vehement Soon.)
Professor Needleman continues: "The mose influential of Evagrius' practical writings may be taken as general guidelines for the arduous inner struggle to break free from the sufferings and illusions brought to man by the emotions. Emotions and the thoughts that support them are often given the name 'demons.' This term, which sounds so naive to the modern mind, has a meaning that is anything but naive.
Man is a microcosmic being; he lives and moves within a field of forces and influences spanning the the entire ontological range of forces in the universe. These forces have a direction--a vertical direction toward or away from unity with God. And the transactions of these forces take place within the mind and heart, within the 'soul,' as well as in the external universe.....
"The Praktikos of Evagrius begins with the listing of eight kinds of 'evil' or 'passionate' thoughts: gluttony, impurity, avarice, sadness, anger, acedia ['the desire to give up'] vainglory and pride. By calling them 'thoughts,' Evagrius is referring to an exceedingly important element in the early-Christian teaching about the emotions...'It is not our power,' Evagrius writes, 'to determine whether we are disturbed by these thoughts, but it is up to us to decide if they are to linger within us or not, and whether or not they are able to stir up our passions.'
"In short, thoughts, impulses, associations appear with the psyche, but as such they are not yet emotions. It is only when these 'thoughts' are given something by ourselves, some energy, some specific psychic force, that they take on the nature of emotion--passion--and assume their overwhelming power in our inner and outer lives."

Suffering is an illusion of superstitions.


How about you give some examples of this faith and the interpretations you make of them. It would be much easier to try and make some sense out of the fact that much of the bible is mistranslated due to differing levels of conscious understanding in language barriers when text is translated from Aramaic or Hebrew to Greek and then to other languages.
Sometimes there are no words in one language that pertains to literal meanings or broad meanings of another.

For example, the Son of God is often applied to Jesus as being the one son of God. But the reality of Jesus' Teachings is that the Son of God is the Christed consciousness or enlightened awareness that links man to the subtle reality of Unity of body, mind and soul. It is the one pathway, the One living relative of God that lives within each man but lies dormant when the senses are directed outward into the illusions of mind created habits and ego identification.

The manipulation of religious belief by those who gained their power over the people through the relative suffering of fear and hope is what motivated some of the translations of Truth into values that are superstitious in nature. Just as we know the world is not flat tho some believed it was once, the enlightened know God is not some ideal that has a passion for worship and a taste for vengeance.
We as individuals do not always recognize our union with the universe because we focus so intently on our individuality and our separateness.
The nature of ourselves is much beyond the limitations of sensory addictions and identification with individuality.