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themaskcabana
My memory does seem to be coming back, which is great! But I have few questions/comments if anyone could help out. I would appreciate it.

Background:
- 32yrs Old
- ADD - I believe I had it when I was younger, but only recently diagnosed. I think it got worse when I was younger from partying i.e. alcohol, drug use. All things I have completely quit and haven't touched since I was 22.

Regiment:
- Huperzine 100mcg x2 Daily
- Pyritinol 400mg x2 Daily
- Centrophenoxine 500mg x1 Daily
- Idebenone 180mg x1 Daily
- Ginkgo 120mg x1 Daily

1. With this regiment, should I be concerned about blood tests?
2. I am still looking for a little more focus (ADD) and motivation. Does anyone have any suggestions?
3. Any recommendation to help from the damage that was done from partying too much, when I was younger?
4. Anyone know where I can get Idebenon, Centrophenoxine, and Pyritinol for a good price? I am buying from Uniquenutrition and not that there prices are bad, but I need to save every dollar I have. The amount of money I spend on supplements a month is starting to kill me.

Any help would be great!

Thank you guys!


themaskcabana
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random321
I am definitely not an expert, but I'll share my personal experience.
I am 22 now and for the last few years felt way stupider than I remember being as a teenager. 15mg/day hydergine has helped me very much in the last few months I am now functioning at my teenage brain capacity again.

Also finding out that I am hypothyroid and taking Armour has helped as well(google stopthyroidmadness)

I've heard hydergine is good for repairing brain damage. I've heard Deprenyl is good for motivation.

Also daily exercise and eating balanced meals free of grains/sugar/starch has helped me a ton. Probably more so than any other single supplement, but together they have a great effect.
themaskcabana
Random321 -

Thanks for the info, I appreciate it...
LifeMirage
QUOTE(themaskcabana @ Mar 03, 2008, 10:54 PM) *
My memory does seem to be coming back, which is great! But I have few questions/comments if anyone could help out. I would appreciate it.

Background:
- 32yrs Old
- ADD - I believe I had it when I was younger, but only recently diagnosed. I think it got worse when I was younger from partying i.e. alcohol, drug use. All things I have completely quit and haven't touched since I was 22.

Regiment:
- Huperzine 100mcg x2 Daily
- Pyritinol 400mg x2 Daily
- Centrophenoxine 500mg x1 Daily
- Idebenone 180mg x1 Daily
- Ginkgo 120mg x1 Daily

1. With this regiment, should I be concerned about blood tests?
2. I am still looking for a little more focus (ADD) and motivation. Does anyone have any suggestions?
3. Any recommendation to help from the damage that was done from partying too much, when I was younger?
4. Anyone know where I can get Idebenon, Centrophenoxine, and Pyritinol for a good price? I am buying from Uniquenutrition and not that there prices are bad, but I need to save every dollar I have. The amount of money I spend on supplements a month is starting to kill me.


1. No.
2. I would increase your Pyritinol to 1,200 mg a day and review your progress for 2 weeks.
3. Which drugs exactly?
4. Unique Nutrition is one of the best brands perhaps buying in bulk?
themaskcabana
QUOTE(LifeMirage @ Mar 22, 2008, 01:41 AM) *

QUOTE(themaskcabana @ Mar 03, 2008, 10:54 PM) *
My memory does seem to be coming back, which is great! But I have few questions/comments if anyone could help out. I would appreciate it.

Background:
- 32yrs Old
- ADD - I believe I had it when I was younger, but only recently diagnosed. I think it got worse when I was younger from partying i.e. alcohol, drug use. All things I have completely quit and haven't touched since I was 22.

Regiment:
- Huperzine 100mcg x2 Daily
- Pyritinol 400mg x2 Daily
- Centrophenoxine 500mg x1 Daily
- Idebenone 180mg x1 Daily
- Ginkgo 120mg x1 Daily

1. With this regiment, should I be concerned about blood tests?
2. I am still looking for a little more focus (ADD) and motivation. Does anyone have any suggestions?
3. Any recommendation to help from the damage that was done from partying too much, when I was younger?
4. Anyone know where I can get Idebenon, Centrophenoxine, and Pyritinol for a good price? I am buying from Uniquenutrition and not that there prices are bad, but I need to save every dollar I have. The amount of money I spend on supplements a month is starting to kill me.


1. No.
2. I would increase your Pyritinol to 1,200 mg a day and review your progress for 2 weeks.
3. Which drugs exactly?
4. Unique Nutrition is one of the best brands perhaps buying in bulk?


Thanks life mirage!!!

To answer number 3… and I hate to say to this to the whole world, though I guess we have all done some stupid things in our life. This was mine…

3. Coke, LSD, Ecstasy, and Mushrooms

LifeMirage
QUOTE(themaskcabana @ Mar 24, 2008, 11:40 AM) *
QUOTE(LifeMirage @ Mar 22, 2008, 01:41 AM) *

QUOTE(themaskcabana @ Mar 03, 2008, 10:54 PM) *
My memory does seem to be coming back, which is great! But I have few questions/comments if anyone could help out. I would appreciate it.

Background:
- 32yrs Old
- ADD - I believe I had it when I was younger, but only recently diagnosed. I think it got worse when I was younger from partying i.e. alcohol, drug use. All things I have completely quit and haven't touched since I was 22.

Regiment:
- Huperzine 100mcg x2 Daily
- Pyritinol 400mg x2 Daily
- Centrophenoxine 500mg x1 Daily
- Idebenone 180mg x1 Daily
- Ginkgo 120mg x1 Daily

1. With this regiment, should I be concerned about blood tests?
2. I am still looking for a little more focus (ADD) and motivation. Does anyone have any suggestions?
3. Any recommendation to help from the damage that was done from partying too much, when I was younger?
4. Anyone know where I can get Idebenon, Centrophenoxine, and Pyritinol for a good price? I am buying from Uniquenutrition and not that there prices are bad, but I need to save every dollar I have. The amount of money I spend on supplements a month is starting to kill me.


1. No.
2. I would increase your Pyritinol to 1,200 mg a day and review your progress for 2 weeks.
3. Which drugs exactly?
4. Unique Nutrition is one of the best brands perhaps buying in bulk?


Thanks life mirage!!!

To answer number 3… and I hate to say to this to the whole world, though I guess we have all done some stupid things in our life. This was mine…

3. Coke, LSD, Ecstasy, and Mushrooms



Well mostly the coke and E is of real concern. So you're not that bad off.
themaskcabana
QUOTE(LifeMirage @ Mar 25, 2008, 06:24 PM) *

QUOTE(themaskcabana @ Mar 24, 2008, 11:40 AM) *
QUOTE(LifeMirage @ Mar 22, 2008, 01:41 AM) *

QUOTE(themaskcabana @ Mar 03, 2008, 10:54 PM) *
My memory does seem to be coming back, which is great! But I have few questions/comments if anyone could help out. I would appreciate it.

Background:
- 32yrs Old
- ADD - I believe I had it when I was younger, but only recently diagnosed. I think it got worse when I was younger from partying i.e. alcohol, drug use. All things I have completely quit and haven't touched since I was 22.

Regiment:
- Huperzine 100mcg x2 Daily
- Pyritinol 400mg x2 Daily
- Centrophenoxine 500mg x1 Daily
- Idebenone 180mg x1 Daily
- Ginkgo 120mg x1 Daily

1. With this regiment, should I be concerned about blood tests?
2. I am still looking for a little more focus (ADD) and motivation. Does anyone have any suggestions?
3. Any recommendation to help from the damage that was done from partying too much, when I was younger?
4. Anyone know where I can get Idebenon, Centrophenoxine, and Pyritinol for a good price? I am buying from Uniquenutrition and not that there prices are bad, but I need to save every dollar I have. The amount of money I spend on supplements a month is starting to kill me.


1. No.
2. I would increase your Pyritinol to 1,200 mg a day and review your progress for 2 weeks.
3. Which drugs exactly?
4. Unique Nutrition is one of the best brands perhaps buying in bulk?


Thanks life mirage!!!

To answer number 3… and I hate to say to this to the whole world, though I guess we have all done some stupid things in our life. This was mine…

3. Coke, LSD, Ecstasy, and Mushrooms



Well mostly the coke and E is of real concern. So you're not that bad off.


As always thank you lifemirage!
themaskcabana
I'm back and I have successfully been taking regiment for 6 months... This is what I feel so far.

1. Brain feels more awake and energetic.

2. I felt an initial increase in short term memory, but it really has tapered off. It seems like I still forget little things. How to spell simple words, or recall a conversation I just had. Not huge, but very noticeable to me and sometimes to others.

3. I can focus a little better, but I still have problems. I have to constantly re-evaluate what it is I'm doing so I can stay on task.

4. Confidence level is mediocre, a little better than it was. I’m still not necessarily the most talkative person in the world when it comes to groups.

Restated Regiment:
- Huperzine 100mcg x2 Daily
- Pyritinol 800-1000mg Daily
- Centrophenoxine 500mg x1 Daily
- Idebenone 180mg x1 Daily
- Ginkgo 120mg x1 Daily
- multi-vitamin x1 Daily
- amino acids x1 Daily
- digestive enzymes x1 Daily
- couple of cups of coffee Daily

Questions:
1. I’m thinking about adding some piracetam and aniracetam, any comments?

2. Based on my results, any other suggestions? Especially for short term memory and long term memory. That’s where my biggest gripe is, and maybe just to maintain the overall health of my mind.

3. Do you think the mix of the coffee is good or bad? I’ve never tried it without coffee because I have always drank it.

Thanks lifemirage in advance! You the man!
LifeMirage
QUOTE(themaskcabana @ Aug 31, 2008, 03:15 PM) *
I'm back and I have successfully been taking regiment for 6 months... This is what I feel so far.

1. Brain feels more awake and energetic.

2. I felt an initial increase in short term memory, but it really has tapered off. It seems like I still forget little things. How to spell simple words, or recall a conversation I just had. Not huge, but very noticeable to me and sometimes to others.

3. I can focus a little better, but I still have problems. I have to constantly re-evaluate what it is I'm doing so I can stay on task.

4. Confidence level is mediocre, a little better than it was. I’m still not necessarily the most talkative person in the world when it comes to groups.

Restated Regiment:
- Huperzine 100mcg x2 Daily
- Pyritinol 800-1000mg Daily
- Centrophenoxine 500mg x1 Daily
- Idebenone 180mg x1 Daily
- Ginkgo 120mg x1 Daily
- multi-vitamin x1 Daily
- amino acids x1 Daily
- digestive enzymes x1 Daily
- couple of cups of coffee Daily

Questions:
1. I’m thinking about adding some piracetam and aniracetam, any comments?

2. Based on my results, any other suggestions? Especially for short term memory and long term memory. That’s where my biggest gripe is, and maybe just to maintain the overall health of my mind.

3. Do you think the mix of the coffee is good or bad? I’ve never tried it without coffee because I have always drank it.

Thanks lifemirage in advance! You the man!


Double your dose of L-Huperzine A and I would consider adding in some Aniracetam which can help you with your word flow issue.
Organic coffee can be helpful in moderation.
thefield
i dunno. the studies back the chemicals, but i believe a large portion can absolutely be placebo.

is it worth it? thats a different question, but for some, these are viable options. its not science fiction to change your brain chemistry in favor of better performance, and in the near future i expect even better things (hopefully getting away from taking things orally)

have you tried any nootropics?
themaskcabana
OLE MEPH:
A sales pitch? Did you read my post at all? I said I can focus a LITTLE BETTER and had an initial increase in SHORT TERM MEMORY. I'm not claiming miracles here, and there is plenty of evidence on these particular supplements that support what I'm saying. Just as there is plenty of evidence that a good diet can increase the effectiveness of your immune system or coffee can make you feel more awake. I wasn't claiming to walk on water here?

Do rational, intelligent people make statements of ignorance? Don't preach if you don't actually know anything about it.

LIFEMIRAGE:
Thanks as always buddy, I appreciate your help!

QUOTE(ole meph @ Sep 05, 2008, 10:17 PM) *

QUOTE(LifeMirage @ Sep 05, 2008, 06:55 PM) *

QUOTE(themaskcabana @ Aug 31, 2008, 03:15 PM) *
I'm back and I have successfully been taking regiment for 6 months... This is what I feel so far.

1. Brain feels more awake and energetic.

2. I felt an initial increase in short term memory, but it really has tapered off. It seems like I still forget little things. How to spell simple words, or recall a conversation I just had. Not huge, but very noticeable to me and sometimes to others.

3. I can focus a little better, but I still have problems. I have to constantly re-evaluate what it is I'm doing so I can stay on task.

4. Confidence level is mediocre, a little better than it was. I’m still not necessarily the most talkative person in the world when it comes to groups.

Restated Regiment:
- Huperzine 100mcg x2 Daily
- Pyritinol 800-1000mg Daily
- Centrophenoxine 500mg x1 Daily
- Idebenone 180mg x1 Daily
- Ginkgo 120mg x1 Daily
- multi-vitamin x1 Daily
- amino acids x1 Daily
- digestive enzymes x1 Daily
- couple of cups of coffee Daily

Questions:
1. I’m thinking about adding some piracetam and aniracetam, any comments?

2. Based on my results, any other suggestions? Especially for short term memory and long term memory. That’s where my biggest gripe is, and maybe just to maintain the overall health of my mind.

3. Do you think the mix of the coffee is good or bad? I’ve never tried it without coffee because I have always drank it.

Thanks lifemirage in advance! You the man!


Double your dose of L-Huperzine A and I would consider adding in some Aniracetam which can help you with your word flow issue.
Organic coffee can be helpful in moderation.


Is it my imagination, or is someone selling dreams here. I get a strong smell of a sales pitch in some of these posts. Do rational, intelligent people actually believe this stuff?

µ-active
you said that you changed your diet towards avoiding carbohydrates and increasing protein intake.

how did you implement this? i mean, carbohydrates are everywhere, in the breakfast bread, in your potatoes, rice etc for lunch and even in nearly all drinks.
i ask that because i've got similar intentions but i have no clue how to do it, ie what to eat in this case smile.gif
Flex
If you want to try some crazy witchcraft go for Deprenyl. For a little light voodoo I enjoy PEA.

I have done experiments of my own to see if the effects were truly placebo. I had my friends give me the dose of one of my supplements for 2 weeks and then switch to another. I guessed all 5 compounds that they gave me based solely on the perceived effects.
mk-ultra
QUOTE(ole meph @ Sep 07, 2008, 02:49 PM) *

QUOTE(themaskcabana @ Sep 06, 2008, 03:26 PM) *

OLE MEPH:
A sales pitch? Did you read my post at all? I said I can focus a LITTLE BETTER and had an initial increase in SHORT TERM MEMORY. I'm not claiming miracles here, and there is plenty of evidence on these particular supplements that support what I'm saying. Just as there is plenty of evidence that a good diet can increase the effectiveness of your immune system or coffee can make you feel more awake. I wasn't claiming to walk on water here?

Do rational, intelligent people make statements of ignorance? Don't preach if you don't actually know anything about it.

LIFEMIRAGE:
Thanks as always buddy, I appreciate your help!

QUOTE(ole meph @ Sep 05, 2008, 10:17 PM) *

QUOTE(LifeMirage @ Sep 05, 2008, 06:55 PM) *

QUOTE(themaskcabana @ Aug 31, 2008, 03:15 PM) *
I'm back and I have successfully been taking regiment for 6 months... This is what I feel so far.

1. Brain feels more awake and energetic.

2. I felt an initial increase in short term memory, but it really has tapered off. It seems like I still forget little things. How to spell simple words, or recall a conversation I just had. Not huge, but very noticeable to me and sometimes to others.

3. I can focus a little better, but I still have problems. I have to constantly re-evaluate what it is I'm doing so I can stay on task.

4. Confidence level is mediocre, a little better than it was. I’m still not necessarily the most talkative person in the world when it comes to groups.

Restated Regiment:
- Huperzine 100mcg x2 Daily
- Pyritinol 800-1000mg Daily
- Centrophenoxine 500mg x1 Daily
- Idebenone 180mg x1 Daily
- Ginkgo 120mg x1 Daily
- multi-vitamin x1 Daily
- amino acids x1 Daily
- digestive enzymes x1 Daily
- couple of cups of coffee Daily

Questions:
1. I’m thinking about adding some piracetam and aniracetam, any comments?

2. Based on my results, any other suggestions? Especially for short term memory and long term memory. That’s where my biggest gripe is, and maybe just to maintain the overall health of my mind.

3. Do you think the mix of the coffee is good or bad? I’ve never tried it without coffee because I have always drank it.

Thanks lifemirage in advance! You the man!


Double your dose of L-Huperzine A and I would consider adding in some Aniracetam which can help you with your word flow issue.
Organic coffee can be helpful in moderation.


Is it my imagination, or is someone selling dreams here. I get a strong smell of a sales pitch in some of these posts. Do rational, intelligent people actually believe this stuff?



Yes, I did read what you had to say, and yes, I have researched cognitive enhancement and related topics. My conclusion is that there is a huge industry out there, promoting a variety of products that are supposed to enhance human function, improve health, prevent or cure disease and similar things. Except for scientifically proven compounds that have passed FDA standards I have zero faith in their claims. The claims for these products is no different than the thousands of claims, over history, for plants, herbs, tonics, rituals, etc. designed to make human life better. In short, IMHO, it is modern day witchcraft and Voodoo.


I kind of disagree on a couple of things.

The FDA is more concerned with patentable drugs like Deprenyl & Paxyl than single compounds to boost memory. They can't possibly oversee studies for everything.

Look up L-tryptophan, and the involvement the FDA had in banning it.
Took them over a decade to lift the ban on something that has been proven safe and has been safely synthesized over a century.
Vioxx is another example of when the agency does things right, but late. It took quite a few red flags for the agency to take notice. i,e an internal memo that read "may cause an increase in blood clot side effects."

To play devil's advocate, and I don't mean to be condescending, a lot of people are looking for insta-miracles on these boards. I understand your reaction to a lot of these posters.
I've taken enough nootropics to feel positive and some negative effects from them. I can't make the same claims other posters make, but it's no placebo either. We're not dealing with psycho-active compounds here. There's no black & white effect. (Although I once took too much deprenyl thinking it was placebo. Boy was that stupid..)

If you however felt no effects/benefits from them, then perhaps you should give us details. What were your sources, what was your regimen, and so on.
LifeMirage
QUOTE(themaskcabana @ Sep 06, 2008, 06:26 PM) *
OLE MEPH:
A sales pitch? Did you read my post at all? I said I can focus a LITTLE BETTER and had an initial increase in SHORT TERM MEMORY. I'm not claiming miracles here, and there is plenty of evidence on these particular supplements that support what I'm saying. Just as there is plenty of evidence that a good diet can increase the effectiveness of your immune system or coffee can make you feel more awake. I wasn't claiming to walk on water here?

Do rational, intelligent people make statements of ignorance? Don't preach if you don't actually know anything about it.

LIFEMIRAGE:
Thanks as always buddy, I appreciate your help!

QUOTE(ole meph @ Sep 05, 2008, 10:17 PM) *

QUOTE(LifeMirage @ Sep 05, 2008, 06:55 PM) *

QUOTE(themaskcabana @ Aug 31, 2008, 03:15 PM) *
I'm back and I have successfully been taking regiment for 6 months... This is what I feel so far.

1. Brain feels more awake and energetic.

2. I felt an initial increase in short term memory, but it really has tapered off. It seems like I still forget little things. How to spell simple words, or recall a conversation I just had. Not huge, but very noticeable to me and sometimes to others.

3. I can focus a little better, but I still have problems. I have to constantly re-evaluate what it is I'm doing so I can stay on task.

4. Confidence level is mediocre, a little better than it was. I’m still not necessarily the most talkative person in the world when it comes to groups.

Restated Regiment:
- Huperzine 100mcg x2 Daily
- Pyritinol 800-1000mg Daily
- Centrophenoxine 500mg x1 Daily
- Idebenone 180mg x1 Daily
- Ginkgo 120mg x1 Daily
- multi-vitamin x1 Daily
- amino acids x1 Daily
- digestive enzymes x1 Daily
- couple of cups of coffee Daily

Questions:
1. I’m thinking about adding some piracetam and aniracetam, any comments?

2. Based on my results, any other suggestions? Especially for short term memory and long term memory. That’s where my biggest gripe is, and maybe just to maintain the overall health of my mind.

3. Do you think the mix of the coffee is good or bad? I’ve never tried it without coffee because I have always drank it.

Thanks lifemirage in advance! You the man!


Double your dose of L-Huperzine A and I would consider adding in some Aniracetam which can help you with your word flow issue.
Organic coffee can be helpful in moderation.




Your quite welcome. Unlike some people I actually know what I am talking about based on decades of experience.
themaskcabana
As a person that has directly dealt with FDA in the past for years. I can tell you that FDA doesn’t run FDA. In some aspects they do, but for the vast majority of it, the pharmaceutical companies really pull the strings. I can site numerous occasions where this holds true, but I’m off topic.

To directly address the “testing and validation of products” one of the main reasons these types of products haven’t gotten through FDA is because you can’t patent them, and if you can’t patent them then there is no recoup on investment. If the pharmaceutical companies can’t recoup their investments, they’re not going to spend the money needed to put these products through extensive testing to ensure safety and efficacy. That’s why if you walk into GNC or a Vitamin Shop almost every single product on the shelf hasn’t gone through some sort of rigorous testing process a drug would go through. Matter of fact you’ll see a small statement at the bottom of the product that states “FDA has not evaluated this product”.

However, it does not mean the product is any less effective. All it means is the company could not patent the product, and if they can’t patent the product then financially it does not make any sense to spend the millions of dollars to prove otherwise. So it really boils down to financial reasons, not voodoo and witchcraft. And as a side note, just because FDA has evaluated the product doesn’t mean the product is worth wile. They have evaluated several products that have manage to kill thousands of people and were about as effective as a butter knife trying to saw through a two by four.
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