Hey everone! This my first post on this forum, so I hope it will be received well.

I have broken my stimulant-taking cherry yesterday with my first nootropic: Alertec (aka, Modafinil).

Over the course of 1 day, I took 4 tablets (400mg) in total. One in the morning, at 8:18am, another at 11:18am, another at 11:00pm, and another at 2:00am. I managed to stay awake until about 4:30am, at which point I felt no desire to stay awake, and thus I proceeded to hit the sac. Suspecting that I still had modafinil roaming around in my system, I set my alarm for 7am to see how well I would wake up (I have read before that short naps seem to "recharge" the effects, or at least reduce "sleep inertia"). Sure enough, I was a able to wake up quiet easily. I have always had difficulty waking up at 7 after sleeping at 4, for obvious reasons.

Overall, I did indeed experience the effects I desired: alertness, awareness, and a reduced urge to sleep. I have experienced no side effects thus far, though my chest does feel a bit heavy. That could just be nervousness though.

My goals for this drug is to ultimately reduce my daytime drowsiness and give me a competitive edge when it comes to cram sessions. Can any one else with similar goals share their experience, in terms of dosage and perhaps even diet?

Thanks!

Also, if anyone is taking Adrafinil, please share your experience too. For cost reasons, I am considering switching to Adrafinil after I finish my pack of Alertec.

How, and where exactly did you get Modafinil?

i have read up about it, and it does seem like a miracle drug.

Does anyone know how Modafinil and Piractam are together? they both seem really good. perhaps great together?

I don't mean to be a total buzzkill, but the reason people enjoy Provigil so much is because they are effectively taking speed. The Dom Perignon of speed perhaps, but speed nonetheless. Do people even read the package insert?



I'm not anti-Provigil, it seems like a good medication for people who need it. But guys, really, there's no such thing as a free lunch, despite a century of promises...

Bayer Heroin: A safe, non-addictive substitute for Morphine!
Methadone: A safe, non-addictive substitute for treating Heroin addiction!
Bayer Children's Aspirin: This one is safe, we promise. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
Valium: A non-addictive replacement for Barbiturates!
Prozac: First of a new class of antidepressants that are nearly side-effect-free and especially effective because they target only a single neurotransmitter, unlike tricyclics and MAOIs!
Cymbalta: A new antidepressant that is especially effective because it targets more than one neurotransmitter, unlike SSRIs!
Neurontin: An effective, side-effect-free treatment for everything.
Lyrica: An effective treatment for everything Neurontin doesn't treat, without Neurontin's side-effects.
Provigil: A non-addictive "wakefulness promoting agent" replacement for Amphetamines that not only enhances your sense of well-being and increases your work-motivation, but is so nonaddictive you'll have an overwhelming desire to take it every day for the rest of your life!

I had a strong desire to take it every day before even trying it;
same with vitamin supplements, but no one has yet to call them dangerous

I read it creates new neurons in the brain. I think the long term benefits of that could be profound.

Check out biogenesis antiaging. I was skeptical of the site, but some other users in other forums have had positive experience buying from there, and I guess I'm one of them now.


Molitor, unlike some other drugs you mentioned, Provigil isn't "pandora's box" waiting to open and slap everyone in the face silly. Regarding addiction, it has no control over me whatsover. I've been off of it for a couple days, and I don't feel any withdrawal symptoms.

http://uuhsc.utah.edu/pharmacy/alerts/267.htm (Hey, it's the pharmacy dept., not the spelling dept.)

On the lighter side, the rashes weren't severe enough to require a stay in a burn unit or ICU.

Provigil certainly isn't the first medication to have some severe side-effects -- lots of drugs are linked to psychosis. But it's being pimped as something that's as safe as a cup of coffee*, which it clearly isn't. Don't you wonder why Sparlon's FDA rejection resulted in Cephalon quietly withdrawing it?

*Search PubMed for modafinil and caffeine, and you'll find that it's not terribly more effective than coffee at pure "wakefulness promotion". So I guess the only reason people take Provigil is that, depending on where you buy your coffee, it can be cheaper?

Modafinil is a prescription medication isn't it? I am curious, and would like to try it for myself. How would one go about getting a supply? Would it be better to just test out Adrafinil?

Modafinil and Adrafinil are both prescription drugs. Adrafinil unlike Modafinil is not approved in the US, however both are controlled substances in the US.
Several websites sell both.
Based on the research If you were to use one Modafinil would be the safer choice.

eheh nobody seems to care about molitor's warnings
but I can tell you this: when something seems too good to be true, it most probably is

ehh I just got some, it isn't really too good to be true. I am not impressed.

It's mostly of benefit if you have a neurological conditions or are trying to stay up for days.

In Canada, at least from my experience, I can testify that Alertec and Olmifon can be obtained via online pharmacies without perscription.

I finished my pack of Modafinil in December, during my exam season. I must say it did help me on various levels. I was definitely able to study better, and retain more information. Also, the "sense of security" inherent when taking these pills, whether false or not, helped add extra confidence while taking the exams.

I'm now taking Adrafinil, to see if it lives up to the effects of Modafinil. To be honest, I'm kind of disappointed. With modafinil, I'd used to be able to take a couple pills at night and be able to be wide awake all the way till sunlight. I don't get that with adrafinil. Maybe its from a lack of desire to stay awake, who knows.

LifeMirage, I just received my order of Minirin (Desmopressin). Do you suspect any dangers from taking both minirin and olmifon at the same time? Also, if I may ask another question to you, LifeMirage: I know this is starting to go off-topic from the thread, but recently the FDA banned Desmopressin from being prescribed to bed-wetting children because of numerous cases of seizures (of which two were fatal). I don't want to get seizures, but I don't want this bottle to go to waste either. What's the best dosage for desmopressin for memory enhancement? Should I take it during study times, or daily at regular times?

I don't see a direct interaction but desmopressin is best used as needed.
Video games can induced seizures as well that said it's best to try it in low doses or as needed.
1-4 squirts as needed.
During study times.

LifeMirage, what would you consider to be a study stack, starting at Modafinil

The quoted post is hyperbole.

I have used Modafinil close to 30 times, meaning 30 different periods or sessions spanning a few hours to two days. I have used the Modiadol form exclusively. Although the source has varied the quality of the Modiadol has been consistent.

This is a subtle and refined effect unlike most of the listed offerings in this quoted post. Even coffee is more disruptive than Modafinil. This isn't a buzz or trip and that is why it is suggested that it doesn't carry as much potential for abuse. You are not going to get off on a high. Instead it subtley effects your attitude more than drives your body with pleasure or enhanced strength. When you would normally expect to become fatigued you remain interested, inspired and optimistic. It does not replace sleep and only works if you begin from a rested state. Then it prolongs and enhances restfulness. It will not energize you if you are already tired. (I am not speaking to the application in the context of an illness like narcolepsy. I believe it is taken routinely and a level is sustained in the system unlike my hours to a couple of day sessions between which my system has had time to flush it out).

Most people expect too much of it. I did myself and initially did not feel anything. It does work without paying a price in a depression when it wears off. Obviously when you go without rest long enough your condition will deteriorate and you will need to sleep. However, this is a different type of drug. To make a sweeping generalization as the quoted post is ignorant and does not allow room for anything but assumption.

Also, Adrafinil is weaker than Modafinil. Modafinil is a spin off of Adrafinil which focuses on the effective aspects of Adrafinil. There are more adverse side effects associated with Adrafinil that have been eliminated in the Modafinil form. Down the road is yet another refinement called Nuvigil which is aiming to be a once per day dosage.

Hi all I am new to this forum writing may be in the wrong place but I would really really.... appreciate also knowing anyone´s experience with Modafinil and Piracetam together? I take modafinil for extreme fatigue due to fm and cfs these new million symptom syndroms... I´m not finding much energy at all with modafinil a certain focus perhaps but no energy I could go to sleep at about any time. Was given ritalin to begin with and put me right out to sleep. So on the whole Mod. is better as it is not putting me to sleep nor is it giving any added energy??? Rambling now sorry. So yes any opinions about Mod. and Pir. together would be so great thank you all and love this site

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I got Modafinil for my Dr. well the prescription that is

I would really like to know your opinion on the combination of provigil and piracetam together? I have a problem with severe fatige.

I started with ritlain which put me to sleep and the doctor addes modafinil i have a bit more focus and mental clarity yet not much energy. Wondering if anyone has experience with piracetam

thank you all very much

I have not had that much experience with Piracetam. As stated, I've been using Modafinil. Piracetam is generally built up and sustained in the system. Modafinil can be effective when taken for short periods. Some people have tried Piracetam for short periods. When I have tried Piracetam I have taken 6 over the span of a few hours. If you have the supply (and money for a supply) the effects combined probably do not show up until they have been in your system for weeks to months. Modafinil is kind of a booster in clarity and motivation. Piracetam is more memory and anti-aging. Piracetam or any drug suppliment for anti-aging is not going to be able to have a dramatic impact in a short period of time. If the claims are true (and the same as with natural aging) the kinds of effects described can only be measured over time and when compared to previous conditions. If you search the internet you will find many approaches. I would be skeptical of claims made after mixing up "cocktals" with all sorts of these drugs or even two. Some of the effects of these chemicals are so subtle that there is no way you could know what was the source of what effect. I've read of people mixing this with things like Ecstacy Extacy XTC X whatever you call it. You would be wasting the Modafinil or Piracetam if you mixed it with coffee let alone something stronger.

Great input!!

I will go back to modafinil after adrafinil. Adrafinil is just too weak. With modafinil, I can easily stay awake the night if I wanted to. I think Adrafinil almost makes me want to go to sleep for some reason...

It's too bad Modafinil is so expensive.


But why would it be bad to mix with coffee? Both attack different things.

Coffee gets in the way. Modafinil is so subtle. Do one or the other at different times. I like the hot liquid, aroma, taste and lift from fresh brewed coffee. I rarely feel jittery drinking coffee unless I am very tired and drink a lot of it. When I have taken Modafinil and drank coffee most of the effect of Modafinil is overpowered by the coffee and it has lead to jitters. Eating generally distracts from the full effect of Modafinil.

Cephalon has been fighting to retain copyrights for Modafinil. That prevents a generic form or competition from driving the price down. The way this could play out is that Cephalon will continue to develop new and improved generations like Adrafinil => Modafinil => Nuvigil => ??? so the best will always command the high price.

Generic Modafinil is available, is inexpensive, and works fine.

EDIT: Doing quick research there have been manufacturers with approval to market a generic Modafinil. Of the different forms of Modafinil marketed under different names like Modiodal I am not yet clear which are actually generic or just licensed manufacturers. Provigil was the original Modafinil product of Cephalon. Modalert claims to be a generic Modafinil but almost all accounts describe it as inferior and its effect sounds like it could have something like caffiene and/or ingredients used in over-the-counter diet medicines to simulate an energizing effect.

Currently, there is not a clear generic alternative for Modafinil as there is with other drugs. Modafinil is manufactured and marketed in different parts of the world under different names. Yet there is not a generic equivalent that is typically sold cheaper. Modalert is cheaper because it comes out of India and the standards and processes are under par. The few people endorsing Modalert are suspect for various reasons. Any search for user feedback will indicate significant dissatisfaction or uncertainty regarding Modalert. Quality Modafinil remains expensive and with little variance in price. Competition has not been a factor.

When finding any drug there are always companies selling fake or impure versions out there. However several brands are available that are pharmaceutical grade source. You simply have to have the knowledge of where and what brands to buy.

From what I have seen just about any of the Modafinil sources other than Modalert (I believe it is Barr Phamaceuticals? in India) are equal only with a slight difference in prices. Avoiding that one will save some grief but none of the alternatives will save much, if any, money.....which is what you seek a generic alternative for.

Well you obviously have not seen all the brands available. I've used a brand 3rd party tested by US sources of pharmaceutical grade quality.

Hello all,

Here's a concise version of my experience with Modafinil (US Provigil) - back in 2002 I feigned excessive daytime sleepiness (EDS) with a sleep doc after reading about the benefits of Modafinil. I promptly received a script for 200mg 30 count and b-lined it straight to the nearest pharmacy and obtained my beloved pills, I then proceeded to open the bottle and swallow a pill before I had even walked away from the pharmacist's dispensery desk!! Well, my initial experience was disappointing, but after some dosage experimentation I discovered that if I took between 500-700 mgs at once, I would experience marked and extended euphoria and energy minus all the anxiety and crash of the traditional CNS stimulants! Alas, it was too good to continue and I was forced to stop taking Modafinil due to not being able to afford the cost back then, let alone persuade the doc to up my script sufficiently so I could down 3-4 200mg provigil pills every day!

Fast forward to the present, I recently reacquired my interest in Modafinil because I'm a first year graduate student and I need to concentrate for long periods of time. But, I chose to be a retard and got sucked into buying the cheap Sun Pharma internet crap from India that is UTTERLY WORTHLESS!!! I received my package today with glee anticipating all those great mental and emotional stimulating effects I received from Provigil 5 years ago - but listen people, the stuff is ENTIRELY INEFFECTIVE, and if there is any active ingredient in their formulation then it's not bioavailable. Don't waste your hard earned $ on the Sun Pharma junk!! All I've experienced today is an unpleasant and extremely jittery ephedra like feeling - no fun at all, and it's NOTHING like the true effects of REAL Modafinil. Take my word for it, I KNOW what REAL Modafinil should FEEL LIKE, and the Indian junk is NOWHERE CLOSE!! My advice take it or leave it, make an appt with your psychiatrist or general care doc and complain of excessive daytime sleepiness and that you need to be alert while driving for safety reasons, etc. Do what you can to get the REAL STUFF made by Cephalon - if you opt to order over the internet then avoid the temptation to go cheap, purchase only the Cephalon Provigil or French Modiodal (most reports are glowing for this brand, hell, better be, they made the stuff!), it's expensive but worth it, assuming you have the resources to allocate to such things and genuinely need the chemical assistance for whatever.

Btw, LifeMirage, if you claim to know of a good generic Modafinil source that won't break the bank, then why won't you post the site for the benefit of us all? I must be honest though, I've researched this drug to death, and I'll be astounded if you can refer us to a cheap resource that doesn't ultimately acquire their product out of India.

Also, Ignacio2, I must concur with just about all of your observations with respect to Modafinil and I appreciate your objectivity when drawing conclusions about the drug - keep it up!

Alright, that's all for now, I'll check back later and see how everyone is doing with their quest for Modafinil - I now must go drink several beers in an attempt to quell my growing jitteriness before I get a full-on panic attack from this junk from India, sigh . . . peace

Quick question: are there any potential side effects from combining adrafinil and marijuana?

Legal reasons. I don't share my sources with just anyone. And I don't make claims I make factual statements. The country a drug is produced as zero bearing of the quality of the drug. I don't expect most people to understand.

Faking a disease in order to get a drug is a horrible idea. This will be on your medical record forever.

Why would you want to try adrafinil?

I have a tendency to sleep waaay too much, and fall asleep randomly in the afternoon. i.e. last night I went to bed at 12:00 slept until about 11:45, fell asleep in the living room around 1:00 and napped till 3:00, and now at 5:30 I am tired again...

If you have a sleeping disorder you may be prescribed Modafinil. Adrafinil is generally considered less potent and less safe.

LifeMirage,

I apologize if my post came across as overly challenging or even hostile, that was not at all my intention. I obviously don't know you at all so I will presume that you may have a coveted source for Modafinil. Also, I must agree with you that it is not wise to deceive a doctor, BUT, in my case it was what I perceived to be a matter of survival in that I was terribly depressed w/ suicidal ideation and had already burned through ALL the available SSRI's at that time (along w/ t/ tricyclics, etc.). I knew (back in 2002) that if were to state the real reason for why I desired the drug (to address my depression), that my request would have been rejected due to nearly 0 studies existing at that time testing the efficacy of Modafinil to treat depression. So for better or worse I opted to take a risk. I probably should not divulge what I did back then, but at the same time I'm cognizant of the fact that there are people reading this thread who may be in a similar state of mind as I was then, and therefore may need to proceed accordingly to attempt to help themselves. Since my story is already posted there's no recanting, I will observe prudence in the future. Thanks for the feedback and hopefully we can keep a dialogue going along with others concerning the benefits/drawbacks of Modafinil - peace . . .

The country certainly does have a bearing on the quality of its product. A look at Japan's GNP history will prove this. I have friends from India and in many discussions of living and operating a business in the US and India it is clear that standards are very different there. Regardless of where the license to manufacture a product comes from it is the standards tolerated within the country of manufacturing that sets the bar for what is produced. If the monitoring of these products is tight the product is more likely to hold up. If no one pays attention and there is a large consumer body that does not know any better and buys a product they do not care.

As for pharmaceutical grade Modafinil, most of what is available online is pharmaceutical grade and requires a prescription. Most of what can be purchased without a prescription is the same product you get with a prescription. Provigil is Provigil. Cephalon would vigorously go after anyone marketing a product using their brand name and packaging. You can purchase Provigil, to cite a fact, many places online without a prescription. From what I have read, other than Modalert, the different brands of Modafinil sound equal to one another. None is clearly better than any other. You can eliminate that concern and just shop for the product with the best price. If they are a business you will eventually find them. Otherwise they do not exist or won't for very long.

Provigil (US, UK, Italy, Belgium)
Vigil (Germany)
Modalert, Provake, Modapro, Modafil (India)
Modiodal (France, Mexico, Turkey, Greece, Sweden, Denmark, Portugal)
Modavigil (Australia)
Alertec (Canada)
Vigicer (Argentina)
Resotyl, Mentix, Alertex, Zalux (Chile)
Modasomil (Austria, Switzerland)
Vigia (Colombia)

Stay away from what comes out of India. I'll repeat what I said earlier, other than Modalert (Modalert is the most prominent but any Modafinil made in India), not one of the various brands of Modafinil stand out as better than the others. Any differences in effect reported cannot be attributed to the specific brand and are a reflection of the subjective nature of individual circumstances. I have not read of any controlled studies comparing different brands of Modafinil. I am relying on the reports from people who have tried different brands of Modafinil and my personal experience.

One last thing about pharmaceutical grade quality. Cephalon includes the recommended dosage with its packaging of Provigil. It is also available on their website. Whether you acquire 100mg or 200mg tablets the recommendation is consistent. This is not a street drug cut by several layers of dealers before it is available to the consumer. Provigil is pharmaceutical grade and does not stand out over any other brand of Modafinil with the exception of what comes from India. Perhaps LifeMirage found a source of good Modafinil at a better price. A "reserve" brand appealing to connoisseurs does not exist.

The quality of the lab that produces any product vary in every country. US, Japan, China, India all have good and bad quality companies. In comes down to the quality of the company producing the product not the false idea that 1 country is better than another.

All that matters is the purity of the finished product no studies need to do done to confirm a simple fact.
Your anti india statements appear to be the bulk of your statements here which are incorrect in several aspects as many US drug are made in India.

However this thread has gotten too far from course and is done.