Lots of threads that are intellectual based debates on consciousness, almost robotic. Also, i notice one thread entitled 'anger'. Im kind of too lazy too look through all the threads and every single post. Has anyone ever mentioned the importance of what would be called by a few difference phrases like: 'universal love' , 'a state of love and empathy', 'unconditional love' on this sub-forum category? Its a very important topic in Consciousness discussion. Love is the opposite of Fear. If you are to believe your own mystical experiences if you had any, or to believe others who describe them, then Fear and everything else is an illusion, whereas Love is real. This is because fear involves separateness and Love involves interconnectedness / Oneness.

Glad to have you back, Tone. You still live in Chicago?

yes chicago. I Never feel the desire to post. Posting feels weak, like being one of X number of posters and no weight behind anything you post. So since posting feels like that, i have no motive to post like other forum goers do.

Love seems to be the binding aspect of our Universe. Maybe the concept of love is behind all bonding and attraction within the Universe.
Maybe Gravity is a form of celestial love.

So that would make dark energy a form of celestial hate?

You shouldn't feel that way. You've open yourself to us and showed (at least to me) a side to the human experience as I'd never seen it before. Don't think for a moment that I take your posts for granted.

Love is a motivation to stick to a mate long enough to reproduce and raise a child and possibly die.(evolutionary perspective that i agree with)

Also i think unconditional love is wishful thinking as the sole function of love is complete discrimination towards something or someone.

And i also think that Love is not the opposite of Fear. Love is love. Fear is fear. You can be in love with your wife and be terribly afraid of heights at the same time. They are just different chemical/neural sequences in the brain serving different functions.

Im my opinion fear is not an illusion but rather a very real process in our brain that serves function to keep us safe through intuition and feeling itself. Imagine world without fear? In fact no need to image, there are people born with disorders that cannot expirience fear... What is the result? They die very young.

There is lots of benefits.
You are practicing writing, formulating ideas, thinking, criticizing.
You are sharing your opinion that gives others food for thought.

So, you are saying that as I harbor love for something/someone I'm "borrowing" love from something/someone else? And the more my love grows for this something/someone, the more love the other something/someone loses from me? For example, as I learn to love life, I am stealing this love force from, say, death? What about different kinds of love? Eros, Agape, ect?

Dark matter could just be a whole new form of, yet misunderstood, kind of love. That would be plenty of love for everyone wouldn't it? Since dark matter comprises roughly 85% of the known universe.

Don't underrate love. If there is any hope of the people on this planet ever getting along well enough to avoid unnecessarily killing one another, it lies in love. To me, one of the most memorable song lyrics is in George Harrison's "My Guitar Gently Weeps" where he says "I don't know how, nobody told you, how to unfold your love."

Love is fundamental psychologically. If we are to avoid suicide (find purpose in life), we must love life itself. That is, we must enjoy being alive, and want more of it. So assuming we can find love for ourselves (and life in general), then we have hope of taking the next step of seeing ourselves in others. When that is possible, then we can hope that love can provide the glue that holds society together.

I guess i have different understanding of love.
I am not bashing love. I think it is great but cannot be unconditional.

I love art but i love it for certain reasons. I love life and i love life for certain reasons too. If love is unconditional then why choose to love say trees more then pile of dog shit? Unconditional love diminishes the value of loving someone/something. If i love unconditionally that i should love everyone equally but then what would be value of love? Love would be like cents on the sidewalk.

In response to Code Buttons:
You are absolutely right! Thanks for the idea. Good point. I guess love is not discriminating but i still hold my idea about it not being unconditional.

Discrimination only seems to hold ground in a romantic type love.

I suppose the solution is that we can put conditions on unconditional love. I think it's a matter of semantics. I might say that I love my son unconditionally. However, if he does something really stupid or hurtful, I might be pissed off at him and feel and act toward him in an unloving or thoughtless way. Then time might pass and I will be back to the expression of the unconditional love that lies at the basis of my knowledge of him. Psychology is complex.

Another way to look at it is that love for an unknown person might be the default position until indicated otherwise (by his hateful action).

He is your son and that is already not unconditional. Do you love that poor Indian teenager Habob that you never even met?

No but I might if I did. The usual psychological meaning of "unconditional love" is not universal, but personal as in the case of a child, parent, or sibling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_love

I see your point.

why thanks, i also get lazy as well there are a few reasons

a person might also have a general universal state. an autistic is a lot different from a non-autistic. a person with one type of consciousness and thus a tendency toward certain behaviors is different than another person of another type. In the case of neurochemistry we see that certain drugs can affect states of consciousness in different ways, MDMA for instance may have more empathogenic and social properties than that of LSD, although LSD might have affects in this area as well.


Rick has got it, in post #13

Hate is the opposite of love, not fear, at least we humans think so anyway.

You know you can generate highly empathic states from meditations, like meditating on the center of your chest. i dont know if there is a genetic prerequisite or not though.