maximus242
Oct 17, 2007, 12:15 PM
I think I have settled on a theory as to what truth is and how it works.
Truth, in essence is based on human perception. If you were born 500 years ago - you would have very different beliefs than you do now. Why is this? because you believe what people tell to you is right. In school, we learn what is true and what is false. What is right and what is wrong. Who decides these things? Who decides whats true, untrue, right and wrong? People do.
The thing about the human mind, is it has a property we call plasticity. Which means in essence that it is learns, that it changes and it adapts. So since people decide what is true or false and the human brain is constantly changing - so too do our truths change.
So to me, truth.. is a dynamic set of ideas. If one person believes something is true and one believes something is false - who is correct?
The answer is this, the person who believes it is true is correct. The person who believes it is false, is also correct. You, upon listening to the arguments of both sides will come to your own conclusion and whatever you decide is also correct.
Now heres where things get interesting. You believe something is true until someone convinces you otherwise. If you believe in one scientific theory and then say - the science community latches onto a different one. Then your truths can change..
If you are answering questions in a test, you believe the answers you put down are correct - until someone (your teacher) tells you - it is incorrect. This changes your perception and your truths, so as you can see, truth is a dynamic thing.
This leads me to the conclusion that absolute truths are non-existent. What is absolute today is finite tomorrow.
Rick
Oct 17, 2007, 02:57 PM
George Bush believes he is inspired by God and that he was right to illegally invade and occupy Iraq. But is it true that was the best course of action? I don't think so. So my truth conflicts with his truth. Is there a way to resolve the conflict? Will time tell?
Flex
Oct 17, 2007, 03:17 PM
QUOTE(Rick @ Oct 17, 2007, 03:57 PM)

George Bush believes he is inspired by God and that he was right to illegally invade and occupy Iraq. But is it true that was the best course of action? I don't think so. So my truth conflicts with his truth. Is there a way to resolve the conflict? Will time tell?
If you look at cases in the Supreme Court, you will find that Bush is not the only president to have violated human rights and push executive powers past the limit. It all started with Lincoln, and really took off with Nixon. The change always comes AFTER the injustice.
trojan_libido
Oct 24, 2007, 03:02 AM
Truth can never be had. If we could understand/hold the absolute truth then our path would end. We only have our perspective on the truth, which is after all biased, and also only a fragment of a shattered mirror with the reflection of truth within.
In my opinion, and I've thought long and hard about this, it is the search for truth which is the driving force within humanity. But is it pushing us forward, or is it an unobtainable carrot dangled in front of us?
Whenever you think you have the truth its like finding leprachaun gold, you think your rich and then realise you were fooled. Thinking you have the absolute truth in your hands is like thinking you have reached the end of the rainbow...
Enki
Oct 24, 2007, 06:15 AM
QUOTE(maximus242 @ Oct 17, 2007, 12:15 PM)

This leads me to the conclusion that absolute truths are non-existent.
Absolute truths exist. Just people do not know them yet. Gradually things will become known. We just should not jump to conclusions and should try to follow at least the 10 commandments, anyway.
Who knows, maybe one day when we will reach some sort of transcendent state (some guys will find the lost keys), then the things will become self evident.
And we will be able to move big stones by wisper and music etc, etc, etc.

I am joking.
trojan_libido
Oct 24, 2007, 06:23 AM
I actually believe that sound waves will bring a few more surprising results as we learn more about resonance...
Enki
Oct 24, 2007, 06:38 AM
QUOTE(Rick @ Oct 17, 2007, 02:57 PM)

George Bush believes he is inspired by God and that he was right to illegally invade and occupy Iraq.
Dear Rick I can tell you why he thinks so:
George Walker (Bush)
32, GeoWa,
GEOWA
Interesting is not it?
It is very old magic.
The God of Israel invaded Iraq, destroyed his enemies, punished immoral dictator and the Baas party members, and established roots for New Oriental Democracy. This possibly is the will of the Great Old Democrat (or Demon we do not know exactly of whom of them).
Now He plans to crush Iran (just one letter difference from Iraq) for openly declared intentions of the Iran's leader to wipe Israel from the earth. So, very soon, without any doubts we will have the regime change in Iran.
As George Washington (32, GEOWA) commanded: the democracy and freedom must be spread all around the world.
And the New World Order is gonna to be established as
George
Herbert
Walker Bush once has indicated.
"So you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. " CIA official motto.
We live in funny world is not it?
Best regards,
Enki
Enki
Oct 24, 2007, 06:40 AM
QUOTE(trojan_libido @ Oct 24, 2007, 06:23 AM)

I actually believe that sound waves will bring a few more surprising results as we learn more about resonance...
I heard there are words which can destroy walls. But this all is a fairy tale yet. Just rumors.
Enki
Oct 24, 2007, 06:47 AM
I am in very bad mood today.
Cut wood and carry water still a priority. Hate this planet!
Rick
Oct 24, 2007, 02:33 PM
QUOTE(Enki @ Oct 24, 2007, 07:38 AM)

As George Washington (32, GEOWA) commanded: the democracy and freedom must be spread all around the world.
George Washington did nothing of the sort. He actually warned us to avoid foreign entanglements.
Enki
Oct 24, 2007, 08:01 PM
QUOTE(Rick @ Oct 24, 2007, 02:33 PM)

QUOTE(Enki @ Oct 24, 2007, 07:38 AM)

As George Washington (32, GEOWA) commanded: the democracy and freedom must be spread all around the world.
George Washington did nothing of the sort. He actually warned us to avoid foreign entanglements.
It was the first stage of the plan to gain power and reach separated cultural integrity and later on expand the freedom to all nations. Washington had good intentions, and yes indeed he warned you to avoid foreign entanglements, but that does not contradict with idea of spreading freedom and democracy all around the world. It is a matter of technology. Bush applied quite other technology which goes against Washingtons' warnings.
Now we stand on the second stage of the plan: expansion, unification, integration, new world order. Alexander Hamilton's branch overlorded, Thomas ideas are discarded. Quite simple.
To realize the project they needed to utilize God's name to ensure success. With the help of God's name USSR was destroyed as I suppose they do think so.
It is extremely old tradition in "mystical" circles. I brought so many examples in the other sections related with Andropov, Hitler & Eva Brown and Ave Maria cases to demonstrate the effect.
I think they do not know how it is working, they just know that it is working. The most morbid thing in the concept of the Lost Keys of Freemasonry is that people use something basing on empirical heritage without taking care about consequences.
So there is a truth, people just do not know it.
Enki
Oct 25, 2007, 05:28 PM
The explanations are not satisfactory Rick? I can add very interesting additions btw. Esp those related with the 322.
Enki
Oct 25, 2007, 10:23 PM
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Rick
Oct 26, 2007, 08:51 AM
The 322 what?
Enki
Oct 26, 2007, 07:30 PM
QUOTE(Rick @ Oct 26, 2007, 08:51 AM)

The 322 what?
Ohhhhh Rick, I do really wonder, you are US citizen and have no idea about the country you live in?! You really surprise me. I do really wonder how do you criticize Bush policy under such circumstances? I do really wonder how you all vote there?
322 is the key definition number of the Bons & Skulls. I have learned about that from Internet, btw.
Enki
Oct 26, 2007, 07:34 PM
I think the times are nearing when the society of the Free Pirates will taste the full wrath of the Calypso.
lucid_dream
Oct 26, 2007, 07:38 PM
QUOTE(Enki @ Oct 26, 2007, 08:34 PM)

I think the times are nearing when the society of the Free Pirates will taste the full wrath of the Calypso.
you're quoting Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End?
Enki
Oct 26, 2007, 07:45 PM
QUOTE(lucid_dream @ Oct 26, 2007, 07:38 PM)

QUOTE(Enki @ Oct 26, 2007, 08:34 PM)

I think the times are nearing when the society of the Free Pirates will taste the full wrath of the Calypso.
you're quoting Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End?
It is a paraphrase from Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End.
I just want to indicate that inappropriate utilization of the God's name will eventually result in a serious crisis as nobody likes inappropriate and intentional usage of once name by other people.
Enki
Oct 27, 2007, 06:29 AM
I can go further over and accentuate on US President Howard Taft case which is the continuation of the same logic. I also can go further over the cybernetic value of the number 322.
But I do not want to develop the topic any further, moreover online.
But one thing is clear: the truth exists and those who wish can find it. The other question is: do we need that truth if the cutting wood and carrying water remains a priority?
An individual does not need that truth, society is too retarded to digest that truth, societies of gentlemen are too dangerous to possess that truth. A paradox. Some new international communion of people is need to possess the truth in the ineffable way.
Enki
Oct 27, 2007, 06:46 AM
A small addition to the picture
World Event: on 11 September 1990 - U.S. President George H. Walker Bush delivers a nationally televised speech in which he threatens the use of force to remove Iraqi soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently invaded. He mentions the term "New World Order" in this speech for the first time, which is also named "Towards a New World Order".
_____
"We stand today at a unique and extraordinary moment. The crisis in the Persian Gulf, as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective -- a new world order -- can emerge: a new era -- freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace. An era in which the nations of the world, East and West, North and South, can prosper and live in harmony. A hundred generations have searched for this elusive path to peace, while a thousand wars raged across the span of human endeavor. Today that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we've known. A world where the rule of law supplants the rule of the jungle. A world in which nations recognize the shared responsibility for freedom and justice. A world where the strong respect the rights of the weak. This is the vision that I shared with President Gorbachev in Helsinki. He and other leaders from Europe, the Gulf, and around the world understand that how we manage this crisis today could shape the future for generations to come. "
_____
But 11 September 1877 is also birthday of a Polish Communist revolutionary, famous as the founder of the Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka, later known by many names (e.g. KGB) during the history of the Soviet Union.
At the same time under KGB spell one can understand KJB (King James Bible).
So as you see the truth can be hidden under rubble. And one can say that it is not possible to uncover it fully like Maxumis242 states, but maybe one can locate a source where all data is preserved in its original form. In some sort of Invisible University.
Who knows maybe it is wrong to discard the Celestials and the Gods from the political stage? Who knows, maybe one day it will turn so that the old Druids and Egyptians were more wise than we are, maybe one day we will understand the Wisdom of Cicero who pronounced that all is ruled by the will of the immortal Gods? It is rather a matter of scientific research than word gambling. If so many people in an altered state see the Transforming (Machine) Elves maybe that must be researched with utmost care counting even political aspects related with the Celestial World. Maybe we should show signs that we are not going to destroy their world?
Otherwise we constantly will face Middle Earth battles for the Two Towers on our soil and the battles of Narnia will cost too much for us.
So the truth can be extremely complex.
Rick
Oct 29, 2007, 07:03 AM
QUOTE(Enki @ Oct 27, 2007, 07:29 AM)

... I also can go further over the cybernetic value of the number 322. ...
322 is the 23rd prime times 4. Four is a square number. 23 is also prime, the ninth one. Nine is also a square number.
Enki
Oct 29, 2007, 07:22 AM
QUOTE(Rick @ Oct 29, 2007, 07:03 AM)

QUOTE(Enki @ Oct 27, 2007, 07:29 AM)

... I also can go further over the cybernetic value of the number 322. ...
322 is the 23rd prime times 4. Four is a square number. 23 is also prime, the ninth one. Nine is also a square number.
Thank you for reminding me about those important details Rick.
I am a little bit ill, will be back after few days.
Martini or a cup of tea?
maximus242
Oct 29, 2007, 10:50 AM
tea pls
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