For those who want to see the arguments why Godels incompleteness theorem is invalid
ie why his axioms are flawed and why he ends in paradox -thus indicating his incompleteness theorem is invalid

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/books...ophy/GODEL5.pdf

GÖDEL’S INCOMPLETENESS THEOREM. ENDS IN ABSURDITY OR MEANINGLESSNESS GÖDEL IS A COMPLETE FAILURE AS HE ENDS IN UTTER MEANINGLESSNESS
CASE STUDY IN THE MEANINGLESSNESS OF ALL VIEWS
By
COLIN LESLIE DEAN
B.SC, B.A, B.LITT (HONS), M.A, B,LITT (HONS), M.A,
M.A (PSYCHOANALYTIC STUDIES), MASTER OF PSYCHOANALYTIC STUDIES, GRAD CERT (LITERARY STUDIES)
GAMAHUCHER PRESS WEST GEELONG, VICTORIA AUSTRALIA
2007

Actually, Godel will be remembered long after Leslie colin dean, or whatever his name is, passes away.

you say
Actually, Godel will be remembered long after Leslie colin dean, or whatever his name is, passes away.
Godel will be remembered for foisting on the world for 76 years a proof that was invalid and meaningless
those famous people who supported his proof will be remembered for fools
colin leslie dean will be remembered for pointing out what is one of the great myths of mathematical history

wow, you give new meaning to 'grandiose delusions'! Fortunately, no-one else shares your viewpoint.

I can at least say that I don't worship Dean...

you say

wow, you give new meaning to 'grandiose delusions'! Fortunately, no-one else shares your viewpoint.

fact is dean has pointed out Godels incompleteness theorem is crap invalid and meaningless
no one else has done that in 76 years of toeing the conformist standard view line- a lot of fools out there now after what dean has shown

nightrover, seriously, this is not meant as a personal attack but you should seek professional help. Are you on meds?

you say

nightrover, you should seek professional help. Are you on meds?

fact is a lot of important somebodies wlil be on meds now that the world see them as fools after deans demonstrations

so it's just you versus the rest of the world, right? The rest of the world is wrong, and only you, Leslie colin dean, are right? You, Leslie colin dean, are the savior of humanity and will lead us out of the dark ages, right?

You don't see anything wrong with these delusions?

you say
so it's just you versus the rest of the world, right? The rest of the world is wrong, and only you, Leslie colin dean, are right?

so come on refute deans arguments
if he is a nut then YOU pint out whats wrong with his arguments

I have already in previous posts. Colin's writings are like the ravings of a lunatic; who wants to critique this when reason evidently is not honored?

What are your, or Leslie's, qualifications? Are you a world-renowned expert on these matters, or just a raving lunatic who has not thought deeply enough and who simply desires the spotlight? Sooner or later you have to face reality, and if you are really interested in change, then you will have to assume the immense responsibility and devout all of oneself to the effort. Your approach isn't even half-hearted and superficial; it's simply a bunch of ravings. As such, no-one will ever take you seriously.

What are your, or Leslie's, qualifications
his qualifications are on his book

B.SC, B.A, B.LITT (HONS), M.A, B,LITT (HONS), M.A,
M.A (PSYCHOANALYTIC STUDIES), MASTER OF PSYCHOANALYTIC STUDIES, GRAD CERT (LITERARY STUDIES)

you know any one as qualified

what university are these degrees from?

What was his Master's thesis over and where can I obtain a copy?

Btw, most people I know are much more qualified.

what university are these degrees from?

how would i know
go ask his publisher gamahucher press
or do a google

What was his Master's thesis over and where can I obtain a copy?

he has 4 masters
do a google

funny that there's no bibliography in Leslie's pdf above, nor is there any information about where he claims he obtained his degrees from. Nor can I find any information online that validates Leslie's claims about his degrees. Which means that Leslie could be a high school child with an active imagination.

Which means that Leslie could be a high school child with an active imagination.

could also mean he has
B.SC, B.A, B.LITT (HONS), M.A, B,LITT (HONS), M.A,
M.A (PSYCHOANALYTIC STUDIES), MASTER OF PSYCHOANALYTIC STUDIES, GRAD CERT (LITERARY STUDIES)
and your google search was sloppy

In fact, a google search for "colin leslie dean" returns a few spam links. Seems that someone is going around to forums and spamming about "colin leslie dean". Any idea who that is?

Yet, there are no legimate non-spam links about Colin leslie dean, nor can I find anything by him on Pubmed or other databases.

i found this
Gamahucher Press Catalogue
... by email and in PDF format, any poetry book by Colin Leslie Dean you would like. ... Deakin University Thesis (M.A.) Deakin University, Victoria, 2002 .

look s like he was at deakin university-so do some key word searches around that

look like gamahucher press has all his MA thesis

Yet Colin Leslie Dean's essays only appear on David Ovenden's yellowgum.com site and nowhere else. Why is that? Surely this philosophical giant would be more widespread and more well-known in the philosophy community.

Yet Colin Leslie Dean's essays only appear on David Ovenden's yellowgum.com site and nowhere else. Why is that? Surely this philosophical giant would be more widespread and more well-known in the philosophy community

you just said he is all over the net so he must have some followers in the philosophical community

I said that someone was spamming other forums about Leslie colin dean. This link shows that all the Google results are spammings of forums, except for the Gamahucher press:
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en...%22&btnG=Search


Btw, what are the links to his MA theses? I could not find them at Gamahucher press?

hey try this search
lok up what gamahucher means- might give some insights about deans attitudes to the eastablishment

what gamahucher means is beside the point. I just want to see what his MA thesis was over and how qualified he is.

geee from gamahucher press downloads trhese are at least 2 of his MA thesis

go download them free


Contentless thought: case study in the meaninglessness of all views

Altering consciousness from Western psychology and Prasangika Madhyamika Buddhist theories of insight generation: cognitive dissonance, double bind, equilibration, Prasanga + a logico-psychological model for the generation of insight applied to the Geluk-ba

hear is another
The Australian Aboriginal dreamtime : an account of its history, cosmogenesis, cosmology and ontology

so the link is at http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/books...lessthought.pdf

At least this one has a bibliography and is more readable. Yet oddly enough, there is no curriculum vitae, it does not indicate who his thesis advisor was, nor who was on his thesis committee, nor does it contain any reference contacts, nor does it have the correct format of a thesis. All of this casts doubt on Leslie's qualifications and whether he even has any degrees at all. Do you have anything more convincing to offer?

I gotta say that there are certain ideas that come up when rallying truth around educational systems.
I don't know of anyone who could really validate a University or any Non accredited Teaching system that can explain the meaning of ones own life.
As Such using titles or Badges to present ones expertise is a stretch at best.
What I find that resonates within is that which is true for all. Matching relative beliefs and Badges to present authority might lead one away from listening to the voice of reason which guides us all.

I'm sure Dean follows a voice inside of himself to paint pictures of his interpretations of life. But to say He has taken away anyone elses interpretations and replaced them as the authority for all others is a bit dramatic.

A person decides for themselves what is true for them until they allow relative truths and ramblings to sit in and amongst other relative truths as steps created towards understanding of ones own life and being.

I think nightrovers worship of dean and his philosophies are personal. Whether anyone else wants to worship dean or believe dean has pushed over the world to expose "The Truth" on paper, hasn't really experienced Truth but has latched onto a feeling or an idea.

I'm sure anyone can believe they can wear dean shoes and walk in them for a while, but eventually one has to step out of their fantasy in wearing another's shoes to walk in their own. Then maybe one will understand what one can create or how another man fills his shoes.

Or as a famous Mexican bandit once said: "Badges? We don' need no stinkin' Badges!!"

I think nightrover has already admitted to being Leslie colin dean, the same person who has spammed other forums.

In any event, I'll give "Contentless Thought" an open-minded reading.

All of this casts doubt on Leslie's qualifications and whether he even has any degrees at all. Do you have anything more convincing to offer?

try this
Deakin University <ADT> Browse Index
Dean, Colin Leslie. Masters Thesis, 1993 · Rudd, Matthew Francis. PhD Doctorate, 2003 · Kelly, Jennifer Mary. PhD Doctorate, 2003 · Lewandowski, Paul. ...
tux.lib.deakin.edu.au/adt-VDU/public/ - 57k - Cached - Similar pages

I had that feeling too.
If that is true, I don't feel he is emotionally stable.
In any case if an emotionally unstable person were to write a paper it would certainly reflect that.

have a look
http://tux.lib.deakin.edu.au/adt-VDU/public/

this takes right to one of his thesis
http://tux.lib.deakin.edu.au/adt-VDU/publi...0146/index.html

A further thought would be that if nr isn't dean, would he want someone like nr to act as a rational spokesman for his philosophies?
Either way nr reminds me of the excited weasel in the cartoons that is trying to herd the chickens into his sack.

thanks nightrover. This thesis is from 1993. What has colin leslie been doing with himself in the 15 years since his thesis?

Some excerpts from his abstract (from the thesis, "The relationship between analysis and insight in Madhyamika Buddhism"):
"More specifically it asks whether analysis is a necessary and/or a sufficient condition for the generation of insight."

"This model argues that analysis is a necessary, but not a sufficient condition for the generation of insight."

My own point of view is that, depending on how you define insight, analysis need not be a necessary component.

This thesis is from 1993. What has colin leslie been doing with himself in the 15 years since his thesis?

perhaps getting some of these degrees
B.SC, B.A, B.LITT (HONS), M.A, B,LITT (HONS), M.A,
M.A (PSYCHOANALYTIC STUDIES), MASTER OF PSYCHOANALYTIC STUDIES, GRAD CERT (LITERARY STUDIES)

My own point of view is that, depending on how you define insight, analysis need not be a necessary component.

i guess you have to ask the gelukba that question

it shouldn't take 15 years to get those degrees. Is Dean an eternal student? You can't remain a student forever; at some point you have to transition to teacher.

Reading his Contentless Thought, I am struck by the misspellings, incomplete sentences, and excessive verbosity. And I still don't see any original contribution from Leslie since Hume himself claimed more than a century ago that reason ends in its own self-destructiveness.

try a google scholar search for colin leslie dean
you might be very surprised in what comes up

Reading his Contentless Thought, I am struck by the misspellings, incomplete sentences, and excessive verbosity. And I still don't see any original contribution from Leslie since Hume himself claimed more than a century ago that reason ends in its own self-destructiveness.

well i guess you will have to take that up with his examiners who thought he was original enough to get the MA

Here is what Leslie Dean claims to be his original contribution:

Thus the original contributions this thesis makes are four:
Firstly in regard to Madhyamika studies this thesis takes their method of the dialectic i.e. reductio ad absurdum and apply it to a Western framework. In this regard the case study of the thesis is an original contribution to show how the dialectic might be further extended to other philosophical issues.

Secondly I show that thought can have no 'thing', or essence as a necessary truth and as such show the utter untenability of a mentalist realist philosophy of mind by using its own epistemological criteria of ‘truth’, namely Aristotelian logic, to debunk its own arguments by showing it ends in absurdity, or meaninglessness.

Thirdly I show that what follows is the untenability of the analytic philosophical tradition of Dummett and bringing to and end once and for all debates between cognitivist and communicative theorists as to whether thought has an essence such as language, or images, or concepts, and or anything else. As a corollary to this my cases study shows the untenability of any program, like Newspeak, as instigated in Orwell’s book Nineteen Eighty-Four, to control thinking by delimiting thought by controlling the content of thought. This untenability is because if is language is not the essence, or content of thought then controlling language cannot control thought; since thought is independent and different from language. What ever the constituent, or content thought is it is not language therefore controlling language cannot control thought.

Fourthly these untenable results are thus meant, as a case study, to try and substantiate the Prasangika Madhyamika Buddhist demonstrations that all products of human thinking thought’–all essentialist thinkings, or ontologies - end in absurdity, or meaninglessness. This means also nihilism this is important as I go beyond nihilism. This thesis is not a case study to substantiate nihilism but a case study to substantiate even the absurdity of nihilism. The utter epistemological meaninglessness of all views even the view of meaninglessness so long as we take Aristotelian logic as an epistemic condition of ‘truth’.

In other words, Dean reiterates Buddhist notions. How is this an original contribution?

The fact that Deakin University actually granted an MA for this says a lot about the Australian educational system.

looks like quite a substantial range of original contributions to me

at its worst, it looks like charlatanism to me. At its best, it looks like a parroting of Hume and Buddhist notions.

In other words, Dean reiterates Buddhist notions. How is this an original contribution?

his examiners thought so -guess you just dont see it yet

yet no-one in the philosophy community has felt the need to cite Dean's works or "original contributions". You think there's a reason for that?