Even the concept of death ends in meaninglessness
How can you say some one is dead- lacks life- when no one knows what life is

colin leslie dean meaninglessness is powerful stuff

colin leslie dean has done what no man in the history of humanity has done
colin leslie dean has done what no god has been able to do
colin leslie dean has got rid of death in the world
colin leslie dean has chased the grim reaper out of the universe
you now have two choices
believe in death still - but why would one want to believe in that
or now feel free of the fear of death
colin leslie deans meaninglessness is powerful stuff -it has rid the universe of death

To be CLD. But that is not a miracle. I've done what no man in humanity has done in being me.

If you don't know God then you might say this, but the statement is only relative to what you make of it and in this case it is meaningless.

That remains to be seen. Has he raised any of the dead yet?

Good for him but, that is only a relative idea from someone who may or may not be Dean posting hundreds of meaningless post on internet forums using multiple avatars.

I'm actually choice eternal.

Words do not contain power tho they can reflect the infinite from which they come as does the image of God in any man. You exalt Dean but you must also exalt all choices and all men to really know power and God

I would never say that death lacks life because I do know what life is and I also have never read any of Deans works. You are being presumptuous by saying no one knows what life is.
You should get out more and find and experience the meaning of life.

tell us what life is -untll you do how do we know if any one is dead-ie lacks life

How do you know anything about life if you haven't experienced it?
Would you know if I told you?
Do you know absolutely, the universe is meaningless because Dean says so?

i know no one knows what life is
i know that dean has got rid of death from the universe untill some one tells us what life is

How do you know this? If you don't know life how can you know death and that it has been gotten rid of?

you
and no one else has told us what life is
untill you do deans acheivment stands
put up or shut up
tell us or
deans acheivment stands

I'm sure Dean is very close to your heart but if you are asking me to convince you otherwise why would I do that?
The burden of proof lies in your hands. Just because you believe what you are saying doesn't make it so.

the proof is
no one has ever told us what life is
so deans acheivments stands

Life is the absence of a signed legal death certificate.

you going to let some legal system say when you are not a live
gee that would make a good seaqual to kapkas "The trial"

gee what could bush do with that -disenfranches all democrates by issuing their death certifcates

Ah, but they wouldn't be legal death certificates!

When it comes to my death, I won't know when I'm dead by definition. If I know I am not dead, then I know I am alive.

legal is what ever bush says it is
ie a few years ago certian treatment was illegal because it was torture
now bush has made that same treatment legal
so
you could be written of as dead if bush decides to redefine dead - ie any one who disagrees with him must be by his legal definition be a zombie thus dead

So, there needs to be a definition or precise concept of life as a pre-requisite for life to even exist?

if you cant say what life is how can you say someone is dead

Foiled by Bush legalism, eh? OK, here's another definition:

Death is being unable to know one is alive.

One in a coma is dead?
One sleeping is dead?

I know what life is, I have experienced it; I do not know what death truely is, but I have some extrapolation from my life. Thought to me is definitely an aspect of life, as well as ability to reproduce and metabolize. A rock can never experience death, because it lacks a mind and senses. I have the potential to experience death, because I am currently experiencing life, but my concept of death is only based on observation, not personal experience--THAT DOES NOT MEAN DEATH DOES NOT EXIST.

How can I have any feelings of fear of something I don't even know by your definition? And how can Dean rid the Universe (I'm assuming you mean stars and all) of something that we can't even define or comprehend such as death, according to you?

Death is the absence of life. There are two types of life:physical and spiritual.

Scientists have already determined the criteria that must be met to claim something to be "living".

Spiritual life is our ability to percieve the world through our senses, and our ability to decifer the data our sences provide through cognition.

so what is this critera scientist have for life
and
why do you take their definiton for life as the truth-particularly after dean has shown maths and science end in self-contradiction

Characteristics for physical life:

Organized structures that are composed of heterogenous chemicals - in units of "cells"

Metabolism: chemical and energy transformations

Maintain internal conditions separated from an outside environment: homeostasis

Growth: conversion of materials from the environment into components of organism

Reaction to select stimuli, physiologically and/or behaviorally

Reproduction: making copies of individuals via the mechanism of genetic transfer: sections of DNA
molecules that contain instructions for organization & metabolism

Evolution: change in characteristics of individuals, resulting from mutation & natural selection - these result in adaptations

Why do you use words if they end in self contradiction?

Have you ever thought why that specific idea to post this topic here came across your mind and why you decided during this days advertise in a specific and sometimes offensive mode Mr. Dean's meaningless philosophy here when Hurricane Dean rushes over Mexico and America?

Remember, recent scientific investigations claim that hurricanes somehow can be alive creatures. So Zhan Batist Emanuel Zorg's behavior from the 5th Element movie can be quite realistic.

Enki, all I can say is you watch a lot of movies

You're saying no one ever has told you what life is, and that you don't know what life is, but then you can't seem to grasp what a lemon is so I'm pretty sure you can't speak for everyone. I think you might need to live a while longer and do some real living above and beyond the call of Dean and his meaningless manuscripts.
Obviously Deans supposed achievement stands for something in your mind, but a mind that can't grasp what a lemon is.
I'm still not getting your proof.

No, just some books are replaced by the movies, you know some complex patterns of thinking generated by Hollywood are quite specific and can be conceptually well utilized.
You see those movies define new terminology and ontology, by few words – terms it is possible very easily express very complex ideas. Look:

Are you sure Mr. Andersen?
Yes Maaaster.
May the Force stay with you.
Yes my young Jedai.
To truck the ruler Sith.
Ohhh, Hallow Mr. Harry Potter.
The battle for Narnia is ready to begin.
Gabriel, you - half-bread do not understand us.
Get up Teoden the son of the Rokhan.
One following Charlotte’s cobweb can definitely find the treasure Mr. Gates.
Harry Krishna Mr. Potter!
Howl will never serve you Saruman, I mean Saliman.
The Invasion of Lord Asriel’s armies is inevitable.
The Empire always strikes back.
And under stars bind them.
The doors of the Unseen University stay close for the ugly dwarfs.
Transformers transformed the face of Christianity on Patmos isle.

If there be time I will demonstrate how Hollywood terminology can be used to express extremely complex ideas on the nature of ridicule and even create new Religion.

Thank you dear Dianah.

i will put it another way
if you cannot tell us what life it
how do you know we are alive- have life- any way
we might all be just part of the matrix -never alive in the first place
so then can not be ever dead
now hows that for all you movie lovers something you might be able to understand now

perhaps dean is the hero in the matrix and has woken up broken free of the program
and oh yes if you died in the matrix you died in real life
but cant you get deans point


i will put it another way
if you cannot tell us what life it
how do you know we are alive- we many have -never been alive in the first place
so then can not be ever dead

will put it another way
if you cannot tell us what life it
how do you know we are alive- have life- any way
you may -never have been alive in the first place
so then can not be ever dead


geee you just cant break free of your programing/socialization
we might all be halograms
figmants of a gods dream
zombie playthings of some childe alien

we may not be alive in the first places

When will you answer my questions, and isn't summer over? shouldn't you be shopping for your school supplies or is bettering yourself also meaningless? Hese is a couple of my questions which you very conviniently ignored:
How can I have any feelings of fear of something I don't even know by your definition? And how can Dean rid the Universe (I'm assuming you mean stars and all) of something that we can't even define or comprehend such as death, according to you?

simple
tell us what life is
if not
deans acheivments stands

Dean claims that death never exists in the first place; he did not rid the Universe of death, he is just being sophmoric, acting cute and saying nothing. Just like Socrates.

Dean claims that death never exists in the first place; he did not rid the Universe of death, he is just being sophmoric, acting cute and saying nothing. Just like Socrates, "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."

dean also claims life never exists in the first place
if you cant tell us what life is

Just because there exists no complete definition of 'living things' or 'life' at present does not mean that they do not exist.
You may be attempting to embarass scientists into spending more time and money into a better and complete such definition, but you fool nobody into thinking that there is no difference between living and non-living things.
Who do you think you are writing to on this website, non-living beings, or figments of your imagination?

The computer simulation theory of the world is easily dismissed via Occam's Razor. A world containing a computer to simulate a world is much more complicated and difficult to explain than the apparent physical world we find our selves in. If two competing explanations serve, then the simpler one is the better explanation. Experience is due to the things that it appears to be due to: living human bodies with brains on a planet orbiting the sun in a small galaxy far far away.

Occams razor is crap

yet another example of views ending in meaninglessness

http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Occam's_Razor

There are no proves that the Matrix exists except crazy ideas of Wachovski brothers.

The Matrix is not a philosophic category of thinking.

Life is a process which has starting point and end point, some claim that there is life after death in some parallel world. That is all what we know.

The experiment is the criteria of truth in ANY PROPER philosophy yet. Eventually we will come to new methods of reality investigation.

Even meaningless phrase somehow is meaningful, all depends on context.

Philosophy, in particular Analytic Philosophy defines, clarifies, specifies, verifies with recent scientific investigations meanings of Words, Concepts, Categories, Patterns of Thinking etc and other so to say Linguistic Tools of the human brain for the reality description via which we later construct more complex ideas and judge about the world surrounding us and try to precept our own nature and our own self.

ends in meaninglessness
have you not read deans book showing that
all philosophies/philosophers end in meaninglessness
just like your notion of life
yiou still have not told us what it is yet

Deans achievement of having never lived or died or philosophized or showing anyone anything still...uh..emm..err stands.. I mean he doesn't really do anything and what stands as testament to any accomplishment of Deans is just a sophomoric expression that playfully dances around illusions of Dean ever doing anything.

I got it.

C'est la vie

Alright, so lets create a hypothetical scenario here, which will result in a simple question.

If I hand you a gun and you hold it to your head without fear of death (as Dean has cleansed the Universe of death) would you pull the trigger?

If not, then stop babbling on about Dean's accomplishments~

First: Majority of people who post on this forum know what Analytic Philosophy is.

Second: your phrase ‘have not told us’ means that you are many – numerous in number, so who are the others except you Nightrover?

Third: Here some definitions of the word meaningless

mean•ing•less adj. Having no meaning or significance. --mean“ing•less•ly adv. --mean“ing•less•ness n.

SYNONYMS: meaningless, senseless, mindless, irrational, pointless, purposeless. These adjectives mean lacking import, direction, or purpose. Meaningless and senseless emphasize absence of meaning, significance, or motivation: a verbose but meaningless explanation; senseless violence. Mindless applies to that which lacks the will and thinking capacity characteristic of a conscious being: “the shrieking of the mindless wind� (John Greenleaf Whittier). “We must dare to think about ‘unthinkable things’ because when things become unthinkable, thinking stops and action becomes mindless� (J. William Fulbright). Irrational implies a lack of accord with or a lack of reason or sound judgment: “It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears� (Louis D. Brandeis). Pointless and purposeless stress the absence of an aim or end: The host bored his guests with a long and pointless anecdote. She feels that her life is purposeless and empty.

Forth: If you want someone to read Mr. Dean’s book, then you should advertise it in a way people feel there is some spark in it. The way you advertise the book does not incline people to read it. For example, in the same way Robert Bruce Baird was advertising his books on this forum; though if he cared a little to present things more clear for readers on this forum, then, definitely, some interesting things could be located in Robert’s books esp Diverse Druid. So it is a Paradox. Sometimes meaningless things can help to gather the mosaic – Everything helps concept in the '"revival"-reincarnation theory".

Meaningless form of representation of Mr.Dean’s book makes it meaningless to read.

I suggest you to refer for some concepts definition to Wiki and/or Encyclopedia Britanica.

life (lºf) n., pl. lives (lºvz). 1. Biology. a. The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism. b. The characteristic state or condition of a living organism. 2. Living organisms considered as a group: plant life; marine life. 3. A living being, especially a person: an earthquake that claimed hundreds of lives. 4. The physical, mental, and spiritual experiences that constitute existence: the artistic life of a writer. 5.a. The interval of time between birth and death: She led a good, long life. b. The interval of time between one's birth and the present: has had hay fever all his life. c. A particular segment of one's life: my adolescent life. d. The period from an occurrence until death: elected for life; paralyzed for life. e. Slang. A sentence of imprisonment lasting till death. 6. The time for which something exists or functions: the useful life of a car. 7. A spiritual state regarded as a transcending of corporeal death. 8. An account of a person's life; a biography. 9. Human existence, relationships, or activity in general: real life; everyday life. 10.a. A manner of living: led a hard life. b. A specific, characteristic manner of existence. Used of inanimate objects: “Great institutions seem to have a life of their own, independent of those who run them� (New Republic). c. The activities and interests of a particular area or realm: musical life in New York. 11.a. A source of vitality; an animating force: She's the life of the show. b. Liveliness or vitality; animation: a face that is full of life. 12.a. Something that actually exists regarded as a subject for an artist: painted from life. b. Actual environment or reality; nature. 13. Christian Science. God. --idioms. as big as life. 1. Life-size. 2. Actually present. bring to life. 1. To cause to regain consciouness. 2. To put spirit into; to animate. 3. To make lifelike. come to life. To become animated; grow excited. for dear life. Desperately or urgently: I ran for dear life when I saw the tiger. for life. Till the end of one's life. for the life of (one). Though trying hard: For the life of me I couldn't remember his name. not on your life. Informal. Absolutely not; not for any reason whatsoever. take (one's) life. To commit suicide. take (someone's) life. To commit murder. the good life. A wealthy, luxurious way of living. the life of Riley. Informal. An easy life. the life of the party. Informal. An animated, amusing person who is the center of attention at a social gathering. to save (one's) life. No matter how hard one tries: He can't ski to save his life. true to life. Conforming to reality. [Middle English, from Old English lºf. See leip- below.]
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leip-. Important derivatives are: life, lively, live1, leave1, liver1.
leip-. To stick, adhere; fat. 1. LIFE, LIVELY, from Old English lºf, life (< “continuance�), from Germanic *lºbam. 2.a. LIVE1, from Old English lifian, libban, to live; b. LEBENSRAUM, from Old High German leb¶n, to live. Both a and b from Germanic *lib¶n. 3.a. LEAVE1, from Old English lÆfan, to leave, have remaining; b. DELAY, RELAY, from Old French laier, to leave, from Frankish *laibjan. Both a and b from o-grade Germanic causative *-laibjan. 4. LIVER1, from Old English lifer, liver (formerly believed to be the blood-producing organ), from Germanic *libr½. 5. Zero-grade form *lip-. LIPO-, from Greek lipos, fat. 6. Variant form *…leibh-. ALIPHATIC; SYNALEPHA, from Greek aleiphein, to anoint with oil. [Pokorny leip- 670.]

hahahaah this does not tell us what life it is all circular rubbish

are you really serious or having a joke with us


life is The property or quality that distinguishes living [having life] organisms from dead [not having life] organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism. b. The characteristic state or condition of a living organism. 2. Living organisms considered as a group: plant life; marine life. 3. A living being, especially a person: an earthquake that claimed hundreds of lives. 4. The physical, mental, and spiritual experiences that constitute existence: the artistic life of a writer. 5.a. The interval of time between birth and death:

hahah life is =life that distinquiseh living-ie have life- from the dead-ie have no life

the interval between birth and death-ie having no life

Rubbish is what you write and what I quoted is the American Heritage Dictionary.

And if you truly believe in existence of the Matrix as you write, then I strongly do recommend you child to keep manners on this forum while communicating with people. Because sometimes the distance does not matter.

it does not tell us what life is all it really says is
life is something alive-ie has life

Listen Nightrover, Rick is right, life is something we are investigating, gradually we approach to understanding of its essence. One day the image of that essence will be clear for us.
It is very simple. The research goes on. And we all in the quest of the truth.

Now another question: what a hell do you want of us? We are not going to read Dean's book it is boring.

And it is time to stop the flooding.

then all you have is faith
why not be religious then
hey you can have faith in unicorns to
Listen Nightrover, Rick is right,unicorns are something we are investigating, gradually we approach to understanding of its essence. One day the image of that essence will be clear for us.

but until you do
deans achievments stands

Death is when the movement stops, the "spirit" has gone, and to prove it you just have to wait, and wait, and wait, and then take a good deep breath of the smell of Death and rotting corpse. It sure smells different from life to me...

sorry
that dont tell us what life is and thus cant know if anything is dead- ie lacks life
all that decomposition may be just transformation or the life taking another form
deans achievment still stands