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nightrover
Any one who thinks/philosophies to much is as some one said imprisioned in their rationality
they must have experienced some trauma to be so preoccupied with thinking out systems-some mental disturbance-Winnicott the psychoanlylist argued thinking was due to trauma
Freud even called it epistemophila - driven by an infantile voyuerism

so people why you going to waste your time studying plowing through philosophers volumous tomes to explore their fetish or neurouses let alone to discover what dean says ie they ends in meaninglessness any way

what do you think?
Enki
Under philosophy please consider Analytic Philosophy which helps to shape language we use in a way to be able to think more complexly and evolve from ape into higher organized creatures we potentially are destined to be by the Lord.

E.g. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_philosophy

And as the word Analytic is based on word Anal, then that means that we are just gays trying to charm each other by our sagacity thus getting sexual satisfaction from each others' thoughts through philosophy.

Are you satisfied by this answer? :kiss: laugh.gif
trojan_libido
Intellectual intercourse, probably more dangerous than anal biggrin.gif
nightrover
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Under philosophy please consider Analytic Philosophy which helps to shape language we use in a way to be able to think more complexly and evolve from ape into higher organized creatures we potentially are destined to be by the Lord.

you should read deans

Contentless thought: case study in the meaninglessness of all views

where he shows analytic philosophy is bankrupt and ends in self contradcition nonsense

so people why you going to waste your time studying plowing through philosophers volumous tomes to explore their fetish or neurouses let alone to discover what dean says ie they ends in meaninglessness any way



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This thesis attempts, by way of a case study showing that thought cannot have any content, irreducible substrate, or essence, to substantiate the Madhyamika Buddhist demonstrations that all theses, all philosophy, all science, all views, reduce to foolishness, absurdity, or meaninglessness.


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The consequences of this thesis for philosophy are numerous. Firstly this thesis initiates a program of research via reductio ad absurdum argumentation that debunks and invalidates essentialist programs of research in other traditions. Secondly with the necessary truth that thought can not be constituted by any sui generis medium basis, or essence, the phenomenological search via eidetic reduction for the essence of thought is invalidated and untenable. Similarly some characterisations of analytic philosophy are made untenable. Analytic philosophy, in Dummett’s characterisation, gives priority to language over thought. In this tradition by arguing that language is constitutively involved in thought this guarantees that we can analyse philosophically thought by focusing on thoughts mode of expression–because thoughts are formulated and constituted by language. The necessary truth that thoughts are not and cannot be constituted by language (or anything for that matter) means the analytical philosophical tradition of Dummett becomes untenable. Thirdly, as a corollary, what equally becomes untenable is the program of diminishing the ‘thinkable’ by diminishing the range of thought, as instigated, in Orwell’s book Nineteen Eighty-Four, by Ingsoc, with its idea of Newspeak , (where it is assumed, like Dummett’s analytic philosophy, that “… thought is dependant on words” ). Fouthly, a language philosophy of the Sapir-Whorf kind becomes untenable as well. It is a short step from analytical philosophy arguments that thought is constituted by language to the claim that since languages are distinct from each other then there must be distinct thought and ‘ratiocination’. In other words different language users think differently to each other. Fifthly, if we accept on the contrary that Aristotelian logic is no epistemic condition for truth then the whole of philosophy becomes untenable and invalidated. Philosophical texts are tracts which in the main contain arguments for a particular point of view based upon Aristotelian logic (see chapter four). If this logic is not an epistemic condition of truth then the truths these texts discover have in fact no epistemic worth.
Enki
QUOTE(trojan_libido @ Aug 21, 2007, 06:44 AM) *

Intellectual intercourse, probably more dangerous than anal biggrin.gif


Yes, indeed. biggrin.gif
Enki
QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 21, 2007, 06:47 AM) *

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Under philosophy please consider Analytic Philosophy which helps to shape language we use in a way to be able to think more complexly and evolve from ape into higher organized creatures we potentially are destined to be by the Lord.

you should read deans

Contentless thought: case study in the meaninglessness of all views

where he shows analytic philosophy is bankrupt and ends in self contradcition nonsense

so people why you going to waste your time studying plowing through philosophers volumous tomes to explore their fetish or neurouses let alone to discover what dean says ie they ends in meaninglessness any way


You know, I am a great proponent of the Analytic Philosophy, it is the cornerstone of all sciences, the greatest science of ontology development, thoughts ordering, language shaping, clarifying, elucidating and illuminating.

Hardy I will consider the book you quote seriously, though I will skip over it. I strongly believe that British Classical Analytical Approach together with American Instrumentalism is the healthiest approach.

QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 21, 2007, 06:47 AM) *

so people why you going to waste your time studying plowing through philosophers volumous tomes to explore their fetish or neurouses let alone to discover what dean says ie they ends in meaninglessness any way


Because we trust and respect Great Western Philosophic Heritage which pulled mankind from mud of misleading and superstitions to power, prosperity, abundance and self-understanding.
nightrover
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Because we trust and respect Great Western Philosophic Heritage which pulled mankind from mud of misleading and superstitions to power, prosperity, abundance and self-understanding.

this great tradition with enlightenment ideals raped half the earth in imperialism colonialism had two world wars droped A bombs and is now destroying the planet and exploiting the 3rd world
i think you should read dean to see just how vacuous and meaningless your tradition really is
trojan_libido
Is it me or is Nightrover trying to get us to stop everything and go sit under a tree meditating until we realise even thats pointless? wink.gif

Even your posting is meaningless, so stop it dude lol
Flex
QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 21, 2007, 11:05 AM) *

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Because we trust and respect Great Western Philosophic Heritage which pulled mankind from mud of misleading and superstitions to power, prosperity, abundance and self-understanding.

this great tradition with enlightenment ideals raped half the earth in imperialism colonialism had two world wars droped A bombs and is now destroying the planet and exploiting the 3rd world
i think you should read dean to see just how vacuous and meaningless your tradition really is


You just told us NOT to read the works of philosophers, because all we are doing is reading into their fetishes (or something to that extent). Why then should we read Dean and his sick perversions?
nightrover
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You just told us NOT to read the works of philosophers, because all we are doing is reading into their fetishes (or something to that extent). Why then should we read Dean and his sick perversions?


bravo-you do get deans point after all

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Is it me or is Nightrover trying to get us to stop everything and go sit under a tree meditating until we realise even thats pointless?

no
but only until you realise this pointless its also ending in meaninglessness
Flex
Then there is your answer why Dean will never be popular. Dean's point is to not read his work.
Joesus
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bravo-you do get deans point after all

Reminds me of someone who once said don't stick your finger up your butt if you don't want a stinky finger.
But seriously how could dean have a point if he and or anything in life is meaningless?

Personally I don't subscribe to life being meaningless. I don't often hear such ideas from anyone unless they are depressed or extremely stressed out.
Perhaps Dean is psychotic.
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QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 21, 2007, 05:14 AM) *

Any one who thinks/philosophies to much is as some one said imprisioned in their rationality
they must have experienced some trauma to be so preoccupied with thinking out systems-some mental disturbance-Winnicott the psychoanlylist argued thinking was due to trauma
Freud even called it epistemophila - driven by an infantile voyuerism

so people why you going to waste your time studying plowing through philosophers volumous tomes to explore their fetish or neurouses let alone to discover what dean says ie they ends in meaninglessness any way

what do you think?

Reality is not meaningless. A philosophic argument pretending to argue otherwise is probably subjective and most likely flawed.
Flex
Reality may not be meaningless, but no one has found the meaning of reality yet--hence, senveral thousand years later, people still discuss philosophy and are no closer to an answer (probably because it is beyond human logic and reason). I guess we will just have to wait and die to figure out the truth, and in the mean time have pointless arguments over what we THINK to be the truth.
Enki
QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 21, 2007, 10:05 AM) *

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Because we trust and respect Great Western Philosophic Heritage which pulled mankind from mud of misleading and superstitions to power, prosperity, abundance and self-understanding.

this great tradition with enlightenment ideals raped half the earth in imperialism colonialism had two world wars droped A bombs and is now destroying the planet and exploiting the 3rd world
i think you should read dean to see just how vacuous and meaningless your tradition really is


Our tradition is great that is why we are powerful and dominate over the Seas and Lands (I mean the Western Judo-Christian-Greco-Roman Civilization), and the Eastern tradition is retarded and not effective that is why they suck.

Imperialism and colonialism of the British Empire (in contrary to French, German, Spanish, Belgian etc, which definitely somehow raped the world) brought to the colonies very great progress in their entire history. Australia, Canada, USA, India, Pakistan, Hong Kong etc are so developed and powerful (or stand on the way of accelerated development) only because they were British dominions.

You see Quality of Knowledge, Philosophy, Instruments etc has great power. You know, knowledge is power as Sir Francis taught us (scientia potentia est !).

Do not underestimate the philosophic power of East Indian Company.

A-bomb was developed by Oppenheimer who liked Vedas: "I am becoming the death, destroyer of the worlds" the words he pronounced when bomb was first tested, he knew Sanskrit and liked murky oriental stances of the Eastern and Asiatic philosophy, the same was Hitler, all the shit Hitler brought to Europe and raped it during the WWII came from the East. You see.

So please show some respect to the Civilization. It is good, really.

You see we have computers, if not Western Judo-Christian-Greco-Roman Civilization we would not have computers. tongue.gif
Enki
To nightrover,

Mind that Dean is a Hurricane and it never will go on Texas,
forget about that. http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/08/...dean/index.html
The minds protect America.

So the word "Dean" activation failed. Alchemical wars are not good things.
And here we do know the true power of the words and feelings mixed with them.

Do not play such games. Boo!

Beasts regards,
Enki
Joesus
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Reality may not be meaningless, but no one has found the meaning of reality yet

You mean no one has found the generic meaning of reality, meaning a definition that fits every personality so they can match the experience to the definition. (and they never will)

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Eastern tradition is retarded and not effective that is why they suck.

Show a man a screwdriver and if he tries to use it as a hammer and it isn't effective it would seem to suck.

If you've ever been to the south you'll find a Baptist Church about every block. At some point someone decided they didn't like the way God looked and so they moved down the street to start another Church. The Tradition still seems to be perpetuating itself as people stand down the street and judge those at the other end because they don't like the way they think.

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all the shit Hitler brought to Europe and raped it during the WWII came from the East. You see.

It couldn't have been the Western God so it must've been the Eastern God.
My God is better than your God...(Time to choke up another hairball)
Enki
QUOTE(Joesus @ Aug 21, 2007, 08:59 PM) *
Show a man a screwdriver and if he tries to use it as a hammer and it isn't effective it would seem to suck.


Only idiots will use it as a hammer, so that is why they suck. Do not go against facts: they suck, it is a fact.
They just envy the shining glory of our Empire (I mean the Civilization).

QUOTE(Joesus @ Aug 21, 2007, 08:59 PM) *
It couldn't have been the Western God so it must've been the Eastern God. My God is better than your God...


We are the champions, we are the champions. tongue.gif

Who can fight against Philosophic Pentagon?

Puritanism, Pragmatism, Positivism, American Instrumentalism, British Analytics!

Or Hexahedron: + Inconceivable Wisdom.
trojan_libido
Lawl, honestly though, I think nightrover has bought into something which will ultimately eat his sanity. Go read a few comics for a while, or watch a disney film. smile.gif
nightrover
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Lawl, honestly though, I think nightrover has bought into something which will ultimately eat his sanity. Go read a few comics for a while, or watch a disney film.


even a disney comic ends in meaninglessness just like all products of human thought
trojan_libido
So why do you insist on sharing your meaningless rambling?
nightrover
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So why do you insist on sharing your meaningless rambling?

hey you must work that out any thing i say will be meaningless
Enki
So this topic is meaningless.

The End.
nightrover
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So this topic is meaningless.

The End.


no just the beginning
for
meaningless is meaningless as well
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QUOTE(Flex @ Aug 21, 2007, 07:45 PM) *

...I guess we will just have to wait and die to figure out the truth...

I don't guess you mean that literally
Joesus
Meaningless is a word.
nightrover
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I guess we will just have to wait and die to figure out the truth...

even the notion of death ends in meaninglessness

how can you say someone is dead - lacks life-when no one knows what life is
Joesus
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no one knows what life is
Even Dean?
I would surmise the relevance to why he can find meaning in it. You wouldn't find meaning in something you can't grasp.
Enki
Once upon a time there was a nice girl with big tits. She eventually met a philosopher who said that everything is meaningless. She looked at him in a charming way, kissed his enchanted lips and the spell vanished and the world became meaningful for the guy.

Moral: Big tits are the gateway to the truth.
Joesus
Or the mountains that lead to the gateway if your going south...

Hey is this still on topic? ohmy.gif
Enki
QUOTE(Joesus @ Aug 22, 2007, 09:15 AM) *

Or the mountains that lead to the gateway if your going south...

Hey is this still on topic? ohmy.gif


And there one can find the rose-gateway of the Templars' temple. laugh.gif

No, I am intentionally trying to shift from the topic to shift the Hurricane Dean from the initially projected Texas direction. I wonder that nobody cares about that! laugh.gif
nightrover
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No, I am intentionally trying to shift from the topic to shift the Hurricane Dean from the initially projected Texas direction. I wonder that nobody cares about that

like hurricanes dean is unstoppable even by big tits and rose-gateways or founts of yin or cinnabar chambers or even man holes
Culture
QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 05:18 AM) *

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So why do you insist on sharing your meaningless rambling?

hey you must work that out any thing i say will be meaningless



In that case, just stop posting.

Seriously, its getting a bit monotonous and sounding like you're one of those bible punching types, fanatics.

If your only counter to pretty anything adds up to "it ends in meaninglessness"
then there is no room for discussion and again no need for you to post anything.

(ignore function now on)
nightrover
dont you think the views of someone who has just eradicated death from the universe might be worth a look
Flex
QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 10:47 AM) *

dont you think the views of someone who has just eradicated death from the universe might be worth a look


No, because you did not eradicate death, you are only pretending to have. The essense of death still exists, even if you deny the ability of language to describe it.
Joesus
QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 05:47 PM) *

dont you think the views of someone who has just eradicated death from the universe might be worth a look

I think that someone who can't spell, spouts second hand information as a disciple for conspiracy theories and promotes meaninglessness in life is worth something, but then again everything is relative.

Do you really think making blanket statements is an intelligent way to approach reality?
nightrover
[quote]The essense of death still exists[quote]

logically you cant talk of the essence of death -lacking life -till you tell us what the esence of life is
put up or shut up
tell us what life is
or else deans achievements stands -which no god or religion has ever been able to do ie eradicate death from the universe
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QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 09:47 AM) *

dont you think the views of someone who has just eradicated death from the universe might be worth a look

What do you mean? And yes, your views are welcome here; word of caution, though, stay off the dogma and the redundance. It becomes offensive after awhile. Life is not meaningless. Our thoughts and opinions are not either. If you yourself were convinced of that, you wouldn't be posting here. You probably woudn't even exist anymore after you realized that your life is not worth living because it's meaningless.
Joesus
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logically you cant talk of the essence of death -lacking life -till you tell us what the esence of life is
put up or shut up
tell us what life is
or else deans achieveme

You're mentally masturbating.

You would have to know life to know death. Also you would have to be ignorant of God in order to exalt Dean above God.
nightrover
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If you yourself were convinced of that, you wouldn't be posting here. You probably woudn't even exist anymore after you realized that your life is not worth living because it's meaningless.


you have not understood
i did not say life is meaningless -as that view would end in meaninglessness
i just said every view ends in meaninglessness -even the view that every thing ends in meaninglessness
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QUOTE(Enki @ Aug 22, 2007, 09:24 AM) *

QUOTE(Joesus @ Aug 22, 2007, 09:15 AM) *

Or the mountains that lead to the gateway if your going south...

Hey is this still on topic? ohmy.gif


And there one can find the rose-gateway of the Templars' temple. laugh.gif

No, I am intentionally trying to shift from the topic to shift the Hurricane Dean from the initially projected Texas direction. I wonder that nobody cares about that! laugh.gif

Yes, I'm aware that we just dodged a bullet here in Houston, Enki. Thanks for the show of concern. This city of 4 million people was reduced to 40,000 in 2005 when Rita hit close to here (knee-jerk effect after Katrina had just drawned New Orleans). It was a surreal scene to for me, since I stayed behind. Imagine living in a ghost city (if only for a few days) and riding down otherwise busy 16 lane freewas all by yourself.
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QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 10:25 AM) *

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If you yourself were convinced of that, you wouldn't be posting here. You probably woudn't even exist anymore after you realized that your life is not worth living because it's meaningless.


you have not understood
i did not say life is meaningless -as that view would end in meaninglessness
i just said every view ends in meaninglessness -even the view that every thing ends in meaninglessness

Does your life have meaning, in your opinion?
nightrover
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Does your life have meaning, in your opinion?


meaning ends in meaninglessness
but what i will say is my views end in meaninglessness
and if some ones life lacked meaning all they need to know is that lack of meaning ends in meaninglessnes
some existentialist killed them selves because life had no meaning
dean would say why kill yourself over some view that ends in self-contradiction or meaningless
why be a prisoner of rationality of logic
why let logic lead you to kill yourself or see the world as meaningless when logic it self ends in self-contradiction or meaninglessness
logic is a tyranny which traps people
meaninglessness can free you from that tyrany of logic so that life does not end in meaninglessness
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QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 11:01 AM) *

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Does your life have meaning, in your opinion?


meaning ends in meaninglessness
but what i will say is my views end in meaninglessness
and if some ones life lacked meaning all they need to know is that lack of meaning ends in meaninglessnes
some existentialist killed them selves because life had no meaning
dean would say why kill yourself over some view that ends in self-contradiction or meaningless
why be a prisoner of rationality of logic
why let logic lead you to kill yourself or see the world as meaningless when logic it self ends in self-contradiction or meaninglessness
logic is a tyranny which traps people
meaninglessness can free you from that tyrany of logic so that life does not end in meaninglessness

So, we are born to a meaningless existence, but then we need the logic of meaninglessness so that we live a meaningful life?
nightrover
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So, we are born to a meaningless existence


i did not say that
but that
to say "existence is meaningless" will end in self-contradiction or meaninglessness
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QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 01:35 PM) *

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So, we are born to a meaningless existence


i did not say that
but that
to say "existence is meaningless" will end in self-contradiction or meaninglessness

so, existence is not meaningless. I said the opposite. But then, I knew that already.
nightrover
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so, existence is not meaningless

but that view will end in self contradiction or meaninglessness

some people feel they are
losers
failure
ugly
etc
these are all concepts
dean would say they all end in self contradiction -meaninglessness
so release yourself from the tyranny of words
disempowerment by words

so why get depressed over words that are meaningless
why base your self worth on meaningless self-contradictory words
why let people use words to put you down
or control you
when they are all selfcontradictory or meaningless
rhymer
Meaningless is defined as insignificant.
Meaningful is defined as having significance.

As far as I am concerned, both living and non-living 'things' are significant and, therefore, meaningful.

Just because we may be unable to determine the significance of them does not mean that they are insignificant: that is just a cop-out!
nightrover
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unable to determine the significance of them does not mean that they are insignificant:

to say this you are being self contradictory or meaningless
if you cant find significance then you cant say there is significance
Rick
Nightrover is just saying (in words) that words are incapable of expressing anything important. I suppose that's an important sentiment, or he wouldn't be here. Damn, that's logic isn't it? Oh well.
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