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QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 02:52 PM) *

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unable to determine the significance of them does not mean that they are insignificant:

to say this you are being self contradictory or meaningless
if you cant find significance then you cant say there is significance


Just because something doesn't have significance to the Universe, does not mean that it does not have significance. If my dogs were to die, their death would be very significant to me, but not the Universe at large. Things have meaning in so much as we give them meaning.
Enki
QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 09:29 AM) *

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No, I am intentionally trying to shift from the topic to shift the Hurricane Dean from the initially projected Texas direction. I wonder that nobody cares about that

like hurricanes dean is unstoppable even by big tits and rose-gateways or founts of yin or cinnabar chambers or even man holes


It is stoppable. People from Brain Meta can stop even hurricanes if they wish, please take it for granted Mr. Nightrover (you like the movie with Nicolas Cage starring?).
Enki
QUOTE(code buttons @ Aug 22, 2007, 10:32 AM) *

QUOTE(Enki @ Aug 22, 2007, 09:24 AM) *

QUOTE(Joesus @ Aug 22, 2007, 09:15 AM) *

Or the mountains that lead to the gateway if your going south...

Hey is this still on topic? ohmy.gif


And there one can find the rose-gateway of the Templars' temple. laugh.gif

No, I am intentionally trying to shift from the topic to shift the Hurricane Dean from the initially projected Texas direction. I wonder that nobody cares about that! laugh.gif

Yes, I'm aware that we just dodged a bullet here in Houston, Enki. Thanks for the show of concern. This city of 4 million people was reduced to 40,000 in 2005 when Rita hit close to here (knee-jerk effect after Katrina had just drawned New Orleans). It was a surreal scene to for me, since I stayed behind. Imagine living in a ghost city (if only for a few days) and riding down otherwise busy 16 lane freewas all by yourself.


I really hope that it will miss Texas, Code Buttons. I always show concern for the United States, as to other countries and since 2001 spent a lot of time on that. The Hurricanes which rushed over US during the last years, esp those five, one following each other during Bush elections were very specific. Very sad that it was not possible to stop them, esp Katrina and Rita nightmares, the city in the water is horrific, the as the Tsunami on 26 December in Asia. Please consider it as a joke, but in those days I met an old guy on old donkey who told me that a group of old men somewhere in Iran and maybe in Russia (Saratov) sitting near fireplace are dreaming, synergizing whirls of tornados, maybe even on America. Very bad magic indeed. They hope that micro-cosmos will influence on macro-cosmos. Certainly such magic is seriously punishable by upper spirits. /end of the joke/

Anyway, wish you good weather. Hope pigs will not fly over Texas and California, Sussex , Essex and even Surrey. smile.gif
Joesus
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Nightrover is just saying (in words) that words are incapable of expressing anything important. I suppose that's an important sentiment, or he wouldn't be here. Damn, that's logic isn't it? Oh well.

I get the part that he can't express himself properly with words or relay anything meaningful about the Dean Dogma.
Enki
Words are the most important things in this world.

1) All major words are audible.
2) Words vibrate air and the brain of the speaker,
air vibrates all it is in touch with.
3) Any vibration of solid matter roams (wonders) within it
in forms of phonons, subsequently those phonons spread
the vibration throughout all the matter of the Planet and even
may, due to Casmir effect, be amplified in vibrating
micro-nano cracks of any solid matter, including metals and
somehow modulate zero vibrations of the vacuum, so spread
all over the emptiness.
4) All vibrations carry info. Those phonon vibrations modulate
surface atoms of any solid matter which generally have charge,
thus those vibrations pass into electromagnetic waves and
get spread all over the universe. Due to ERP paradox the info may
spread instantly all over the Universe.
5) So the entire universe can hear the Word uttered by a Man.

SO FIRST WAS THE WORD IN THE GOD MADE WORLD!

MIND THAT.
Enki
And children remember: do not take serious what we write on this forum.

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trojan_libido
I don't think anyone intentionally set out to ignore Nightrover, but when you only recieve a one line statement as a response to questions about his ideas, then it gets annoying - fast!

If I joined any discussion about x or y and only posted "You should all read Dean because you will see that all your chat is meaningless, your thought is meaningless, you are meaningless" then you can understand the response given by myself and others. I actually applaud a few other members for trying to have a discussion, because I got annoyed a lot quicker as I could see where this poster was taking the discussion. Down a meaningless road if you like.

Some viewpoints say there is nothing but the Void, and this is probably all that needs to be said on the matter. But meaning is given by the context, and that context is you. By having meaningless at the forefront your thoughts, you're inviting a pessimistic and depressing life.

But I agree that the concepts ugly/fat etc. are something that you shouldn't take too literally. Peoples views of themselves are extremely important to their lives. If they are otherwise happy about themselves then I would recommend they don't focus on "meaningless" because that brings them back to neutral AND there will still be outside influences pushing that ugly/fat image onto them.
nightrover
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Some viewpoints say there is nothing but the Void

dean is not saying all there is is void
he would say that view ends in meaninglessness- ie selfcontradiction
dean is not saying there is no void
he would say that view ends in meaninglessness- ie selfcontradiction

dean is not saying there is no meaning to life or life is meaningless
he would say that view ends in meaninglessness- ie selfcontradiction
dean is not saying there is meaning to life or life has meaning
he would say that view ends in meaninglessness- ie selfcontradiction
trojan_libido
I wouldn't say your point is valid, that would be meaningless. I wouldn't say your point is invalid, that would be meaningless. In fact I only toy with your new heroes ideas because I'm bored and spending my time on meaningless threads...
Enki
QUOTE(trojan_libido @ Aug 23, 2007, 12:09 AM) *

I don't think anyone intentionally set out to ignore Nightrover, but when you only recieve a one line statement as a response to questions about his ideas, then it gets annoying - fast!

If I joined any discussion about x or y and only posted "You should all read Dean because you will see that all your chat is meaningless, your thought is meaningless, you are meaningless" then you can understand the response given by myself and others. I actually applaud a few other members for trying to have a discussion, because I got annoyed a lot quicker as I could see where this poster was taking the discussion. Down a meaningless road if you like.


Trojan,

/a joke/
The fairy on Nightrover's shoulder just wants to activate word Dean in our brains and intermingle it with feelings of irritation for subsequent usage of that perturbation. Because the word Dean is the name of the Hurricane which now is active (the word is active in news, all hear its name).

In the same way the symbol 9-11 activates specific feelings in brains of many people. That is why the two towers were crashed on that day to generate new powerful Key in the brains.
Primitive black magic.

Hope you understand what I mean.
/the end of the joke/
trojan_libido
I sure do Enki, but that would mean nightrovers posts actually had a hidden meaning, which would contradict his posts, which would be meaningless... oh my, :S
Enki
Hehehehe! laugh.gif

We shall say them NO PASARAN! biggrin.gif
code buttons
QUOTE(Culture @ Aug 22, 2007, 09:35 AM) *

QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 05:18 AM) *

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So why do you insist on sharing your meaningless rambling?

hey you must work that out any thing i say will be meaningless



In that case, just stop posting.

Seriously, its getting a bit monotonous and sounding like you're one of those bible punching types, fanatics.

If your only counter to pretty anything adds up to "it ends in meaninglessness"
then there is no room for discussion and again no need for you to post anything.

(ignore function now on)

And where in the hell has Culture gone to, people?!!! This was his last post.
TaylorS
QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 21, 2007, 12:05 PM) *

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Because we trust and respect Great Western Philosophic Heritage which pulled mankind from mud of misleading and superstitions to power, prosperity, abundance and self-understanding.

this great tradition with enlightenment ideals raped half the earth in imperialism colonialism had two world wars droped A bombs and is now destroying the planet and exploiting the 3rd world
i think you should read dean to see just how vacuous and meaningless your tradition really is


What a bunch of postmodern nonsense.

I see no problem with prosperity and abundance (which is not anti-environment like the luddite types claim). And it's not the Enlightenment raping the 3rd world, it's greedy business people taking advantage of corruption and week civil societies that is doing that. It is the Enlightenment you so hate that created the notion of human rights, human rights which people in the 3rd world appeal to when the greedy take advantage of them.
Vapourmile
QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 21, 2007, 01:14 PM) *

Any one who thinks/philosophies to much is as some one said imprisioned in their rationality
they must have experienced some trauma to be so preoccupied with thinking out systems-some mental disturbance-Winnicott the psychoanlylist argued thinking was due to trauma
Freud even called it epistemophila - driven by an infantile voyuerism

so people why you going to waste your time studying plowing through philosophers volumous tomes to explore their fetish or neurouses let alone to discover what dean says ie they ends in meaninglessness any way

what do you think?


I think your post is split into two halves, the first is a reasonable and completely fair hypothesis which has merit and the second, the bit about wasting time etc, is just a generalised personal attack which is not well founded or informed.

In answer to your question, I believe a task that people who philosophise are interested in solving is freedom itself. Yes, the thought process may way be the result of trauma, and the thought process is often an attempt to explore questions of how to proceed without experiencing trauma, or to put the same thing in its positive light, the thought process is aiming at happiness. More importantly for a philosopher, or somebody like myself who spends a lot of time trying to formulate a philosophy of life, the point is to formulate a philosophy which can be communicated. In other words, to make a hypothesis which demistyfies how a portion of reality works, and communicate it so it can be adopted, criticsed and developed by others.

The important thing to realise if what you are saying is right, that thinkers are suffering because of their thoughts, then how are we to commiciate this to them except through philosophy. After all, despite your attack on philosophy, your email and what it says about philosophy IS a philosophy.
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