Putting the hype aside, the iPhone is little more than a $1975 iPod. Problems include price, the
monthly payments, it's overstated quality as a phone and mobile browser,
the fact that it's closed to third-party development. It can't be recommended.
The unhappy fact is that for all the glamorous marketing and
positioning, iPhone turns out to be the worst $1975 investment (iPhone
plus two years minimum, mandatory service) you could make.

My significant other recently bought one of these.

I use a Cingular 8125 myself.

Although I do love the features of the iphone, my biggest complaint is that you cannot remove the SIM card. Apparently it's impossible to do.

I like to take the SIM card out of my pda phone & put it into a smaller, cheaper phone for when i'm going out at night, or traveling overseas.

K

"What an iPhone will really cost you, a ripoff in disguise"

Get real, purchasing an iPhone is not compulsory!

who said purchasing an iphone was compulsory?

I personally think it's quality as a phone & browser are far better than any PDA phone I've tried. Of course, you have to be comfortable with the one button...

Maybe it's attention deficit disorder! How can it be a rip-off if people buy what they want to buy? Get it yet?

People wanted to re-elect George Bush. I say they were ripped off.

Christians don't count. They deserve to be ripped off.

How quickly we can get off topic! From the July issue of Scientific American, Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss discuss "Should Science Speak to Faith?"

http://sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&...2F53BCD97024B43

Rick, you are right. Lately, I'm very bad at staying on topic (although I'm not the only one). I hadn't gotten around to reading the Dawkins article yet so thanks for reminding us about it. Dawkins is not prefect, but I admire him for his scientific standing and his forthright nature in discussing the issues of religion. Without him, the discussion would still proceed in the wishy-washy way it has for decades (and more), a format encouraged by the various religions as a means to fog the issues, attempt to bore their critics into despondency and to delay their demise.

After I saw the burning towers of 9/11, and learned who was responsible, my thought was that Islam was on the upsurge, which would surely stimulate Islam's monotheistic opponents. I think that's what actually happened in the years since.