Hi.

Im new to the forum and nootropic. I have been reading about them and im intruiged.

I have experiences of most illeagal drugs except opiods. I Have stopped using them except for occaicional GHB use and sometimes alcohol.

I ocacionally eat 50mg 5-htp, melatonin 5-10mg.

I have started eating l-tyrosin 3-4*500mg/d as of a few days ago.
I also eat usualy a C-Vitamin 500mg/d, algine algeepills ( algineplus . com ), and caffine 3*100mg/d and creatin 1 teaspoon/d.

As of 3 weeks ago i started using SSRI (sertralin) 50mg/d, seroquel 3*25mg/d and 100mg for sleeping problems. This is because of mild depression and i have reacently got the diagnoses Aspergers syndrome and scitzo, mild both also. Usually i skip the 25mg because it makes me slow and drowsy. I wonder if I could balance upp for this with the nootroops, the one i mostly looking at maby is modalert?

Well, thats not why i posted here..Im interested in nootropics and have no experience of them. I have read about them here and on other sites, wiki 4 the win btw! I have found the following substances interesting for me personally and I wonder about mixing them with the substances i usually take. Can I use them and what would the effects be? What happends if one mix them with eachoter, nootroop and nootroop, the nootroops and mixing them with ssri and seroquel is things i wonder about. Anyway here is the list of substances:

Adrafinil/modalert
pramiracetam
Stablon - thinking of switching to this instead of SSRI, but thats only a thought.
Eldepryl
Oxiracetam
DMAE
Piracetam
Aniracetam
Inositol
And maby Niacin.

Best regards, Isse.
PLUR.

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Hi.

Im new to the forum and nootropic. I have been reading about them and im intruiged.

I have experiences of most illeagal drugs except opiods. I Have stopped using them except for occaicional GHB use and sometimes alcohol.

I ocacionally eat 50mg 5-htp, melatonin 5-10mg.

I have started eating l-tyrosin 3-4*500mg/d as of a few days ago.
I also eat usualy a C-Vitamin 500mg/d, algine algeepills ( algineplus . com ), and caffine 3*100mg/d and creatin 1 teaspoon/d.

As of 3 weeks ago i started using SSRI (sertralin) 50mg/d, seroquel 3*25mg/d and 100mg for sleeping problems. This is because of mild depression and i have reacently got the diagnoses Aspergers syndrome and scitzo, mild both also. Usually i skip the 25mg because it makes me slow and drowsy. I wonder if I could balance upp for this with the nootroops, the one i mostly looking at maby is modalert?

I would use extreme caution in using any drugs with your multiple health conditions. I would assume all the compounds you are current taken are by prescription from your healthcare professional?

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For those out there eating SSRI i can reveale if you dont know already a cool thing i found. Eating melatonin while on SSRI gives you a mild MDMA/XTC-like effect. A 250mg caffinepill on that and its almos like XTC!

Well, thats not why i posted here..Im interested in nootropics and have no experience of them. I have read about them here and on other sites, wiki 4 the win btw! I have found the following substances interesting for me personally and I wonder about mixing them with the substances i usually take. Can I use them and what would the effects be? What happends if one mix them with eachoter, nootroop and nootroop, the nootroops and mixing them with ssri and seroquel is things i wonder about. Anyway here is the list of substances:

Adrafinil/modalert
pramiracetam
Stablon - thinking of switching to this instead of SSRI, but thats only a thought.
Eldepryl
Oxiracetam
DMAE
Piracetam
Aniracetam
Inositol
And maby Niacin.

Best regards, Isse.
PLUR.

I would avoid most of the above, except for Piracetam at this time.

Seroquel and sertralin is prescribed by my healtcare professional, that is correct.

Seroquel is a sedating antipsychotic medicine for scitzo. I think the effects for sleeping is excelent and for social situations is good because im kind of impulsive and lack of empathy, wich sometimes makes for bad social situations that collect anxienty both for me and the surrounding enviroment. I sometimes wonder if the impulivity is because of mild adhd too or if its just my personality, act first and think later. The SSRI have "helped" a little with the impulsiveness also.

I would like to find any kind of medicine that boosts my abilities for keeping track of things and thinking of good things to say. (and also be more awake and balanceing out the drowsines) And also for schoolwork because im currently studying at home by distance from a university.



I appriciate you answering. I think i cuncure with you to go slow atleast initially. I was thinking of trying all of the standard nootroops, piracetam, oxacetam, amiracetam and pramiracetam. I dont want to take to much at one time so i was thinking of maby mixing them all a little of each and making a Cetamblend for excelent mind preformance. What is your take on that?

I have read a cholin-substance might be needed in conjecture with the Cetams. Wich one would be the best one for such a blend? I would think Alpha-GPC although maby its not that important wich one of them? Why is one needed, does anyone know the theory why cholin precursors or i guess acetylcholin is needed in conjecture with Cetams?

( ALCAR, Alpha-GPC, CDP-cholin, Cholin-bitrate, cholin-citrate or DMEA )

From what ive read on wiki ALCAR is a building block for AC. The other part for the AC molecule would be Cholin-b, Cholin-c or DMEA, Alpha-GPC or CDP-cholin. I would guess that you need to buy both parts if you go for this way of AC-boosting? I would guess that A-GPC is more readily made into cholin and CDP-c is a better allround molecule. This leads me to derive that maby Cholin-b or c is the most suted for Cetamboosting with ALCAR also. Is this correct?

(for more info search for alpha-gpc and cdp-cholin here: ( pdrhealth . com ).


I have already orderd eldepryl 5mg and modalert 100mg. I find them very intreuging and unquestionable effectworthy. I am a bit worried by the MAO-B and MAO-A effect in conjecture with SSRI though.. I was thinking of maby only taking 1mg at first and then increasing the dose to check the effect.

Best regards, Isse.
PLUR.

After reading some more and doing som non nootroopic thinking on nootroopics I wondered about Inositol vs Cholin? Have anyone tried them comperative? Stand alone and with Cetams?

Best regards, Isse.
PLUR.

While deprenyl has some slight nootropic effects modalert does not and both should not be used in someone with schizophrenia.

Piracetam is the safest, most studied and only racetam researched in schizophrenia.

There is little research that confirms choline is needed with piracetam, however since choline is an essential vitamin i would recommend either CDP-choline 500 mg or Alpha GPC 600 mg daily.

Well. Im a student with a limited budget. I would like to get the most bang for the buck so to speak. I could easily..for lack of a better word buy all the great compounds from all over internet. Althoug Im trying to get the ones who suit my needs the best.

I would almost say that the L-Tyrosine i bought is somewhat of a heisty deciscion.. I found it triggers reaction of my roscachia condition also. Especialy at that high doses. Im currently not using it anymore for further evaluation and maby will continue with only one cap/d. (I was so dumb as to impulsivly buy several cans for some strange reason!). Well I have a hypothoses that my dopamin system is inbalanced, maby similar to ADHD or bipolar or something.

I wont make the same mistake with the nootroops though so im doing as much research as i can. Im wondering about what level of effects one might excpect. Can one compare it to a summers day with caffine or maby amfetamine, perhaps ginseng or the notorius ephedra?

When I was in my drugfriensy smoking pot on and off and studying for exams I would use ephedra Supertabs 1½ (ca 150mg efedrin) + 300mg caffine to boost my drive to study and to stay awake the whole night studying. Can one match this with the nootroops? I wonder about nootroops vs caffine because I think Ive read somewhere it doesnt mix wery well with caffine and this worries me somewhat because caffine is a great mindbooster.

This leads me to wonder about caffine vs modalert. And them taken in conjecture with the Cetams. Experiences folks??

I also wonder about the headache-problem with Cetams. Does it aply to all of them or is it more likly with one or the other? I would guess its very variably personal although one might still find there is some reason to why it would cause headaches or not in healthy persons ordinary usage.

Especially cince I have read about BZP, wich I havnt tried although I have read about its effects. I have also read it causes somewhat of a headach. This hasnt stopped many partygoers in taking it thoug. Maby It might be interesting anyway. Anyone here tried it? Can one compare it to the Cetams or ephedra?

Best regards, Isse.
PLUR.

Well..Im not the raving mad man from TV..uhm..so to speak..
I have used both amphetamine, cannabis and psychedelics and been very spaced out and psychosis induced beyond my senses... Some pleasant experiences and some really nasty derailings. The conclusion, I shouldnt use them anymore.

I take your warning seriously and I will question myself extra while trying them. If they arnt compatiable with my brain theres not much more to say about that. Im to curious to not not try them though.

I have now read about an interesting booster: Idebenone! How is the take on this compared to the other questions?

And I also found out about Huperzine A. Might be even better regarding AC?! MAby all of the planed substances will be to much?!

Im thinking of inositol, idebenone and then each of the inhibitor effects and then the Cetams on that..plus modalert and caffine.. Maby I have to find out for myself. As much info and thoughts on the matter are appriciated though!

Best regards, Isse.
PLUR.

Btw. I have thought about it and LM, would you be so kind to edit out the part about melatonin and SSRI. Maby it would have negative effects if it was commonly known. Well..compared to XTC it is a safe alternative that dont inhibit the 5-HTP defosforylation. Inderectly though it might have negative concequences.

Best regards, Isse.
PLUR.

Since my tries with Deprenyl I found it not affecting my Scitzo so Im changing my sight to the real notroops. Althoug Im hooping for more effect.

The ones that im thinking of trying is:

Huperzine A
Pramiracetam
Oxiracetam
Aniracetam

Any thoughts and/or comments?
Im looking for memory enhancement, cognitive enhancement and maby stimulation and of course neuroprotection. Im only 25 though.

for nureprotection....


check out " lecithin ...." it is natural...and good for overall neuro health...

also FlexSeed oil...may be a little helpful since it has omega 3 it is good for overall cell health...so both combinely help on a large scale

I sometimes eat Omega 8060 caps from Bulk.. One capp contains: 400mg EPA, 300mg DHA, 50mg other Omega-3 Fatty acids.

Althoug I dont know if one can trust the numbers on the can. It says Calories 20% of daily value. (2 capps). and two caps = 2g fat..
2 capps on the can = 3% daily value calories on a 2000 calorie diet. Was the manufacture stoned when writing the lable or something? Can someone explain it pls.